Democrat Party Claims Government Using D S I Against It: Thailand

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Democrat Party claims government using DSI against it

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The Democrat Party yesterday accused the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) of allowing itself to be used as a political tool against the opposition.

Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said the DSI had summoned many figures from the opposition party for questioning in relation to complaints filed by individuals linked to the ruling Pheu Thai Party. He himself had been questioned in connection with the political unrest of 2010, during which he served as the prime minister.

Abhisit said he suspected the goal was to find fault among the Democrats and take legal action against them.

"In many cases, they [the DSI] told us we were being questioned as witnesses. But, as it has turned out, the goal was to find fault with us [for having] done something wrong in some matter," said Abhisit, who is the opposition leader. He was speaking to the pro-Democrat, satellite-based television Blue Sky Channel.

Abhisit also noted that the moves against the Democrats appeared to have been expedited ahead of the censure debate against four Cabinet members, including the prime minister, to be held later this month.

Sathit Wongnongtaey, another senior Democrat figure, yesterday said Abhisit appeared to be the DSI's main target.

"There is an attempt to issue an arrest warrant for the Democrat Party leader. The charge is failing to cooperate with the DSI," Sathit said.

He also said it was agreed among Democrats that the DSI failed to act fairly when dealing with Democrat figures accused of wrongdoing.

"We would like society to be aware of this government's attempts to persecute the opposition in many ways. And the DSI has become a tool in dealing with the opposition," Sathit said. "We don't want the DSI to become a political tool."

He said the Democrats had formed a working group to gather information about the DSI's dealing with cases against Democrat figures, for possible legal action in the future.

DSI deputy director-general Prawet Moonpramuk said yesterday that 13 members of the Abhisit Cabinet had been summoned for questioning in connection with the political violence of 2010. He added that most had postponed their appointments with the DSI.

-- The Nation 2012-11-15

[asiawatcher]

Both parties could make this claim.

[pedro01]

Indeed - the democrats did exactly the same thing.

Bunch of children the lot of them.

[monkfish]

Som Nam Na!!

[carra]

What does he expect? Was he really expecting no investigation into the events in 2010?

Maybe he thought PTP would have been forced from power by now and he could slide in the back door again and make all this just go away.

[hellodolly]

What does he expect? Was he really expecting no investigation into the events in 2010?

Maybe he thought PTP would have been forced from power by now and he could slide in the back door again and make all this just go away.

news flash it is 2012 not 2010 you lost that battle give it up.

What did any one expect the PT to use against him they have nothing. Just gpes to show how uncertain they are about there ability to defend in a censure debate.

It dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

13 Dem cabinet minsters summoned to testify and not one red shirt or their leader. They could always go to Dubai to hear from him or have him call in. He does to the PM and the Cabinet.

Pretty sad case when the front line of defense against a censure debate is the DSI.

[IMA_FARANG]

Probably, but there isn't a government party in power in any country in the world where an investigation of a leading figure in the government and an equal level opposition party figure would be treated the same way.

I'm NOT saying such an investigation wouln't be fair, but I AM saying that the treatment of a high ranking opposition politician and the treatment of a similar high ranking government figure in the press would always be different.

And the comments made about such investigations by politicians to the news media would be very different depending on the party affiliation of the politician commenting wouldn't they?

It's just that the aacusations and investigations of "improprity" are done with a little more discretion and carefulness than in Thailand.

Basically, there's rellay no difference, it's just handled with more discretion there than it is in Thailand.

Edited November 15, 2012 by IMA_FARANG

[tragickingdom]

The democrats should know, they used the DSI under Suthep against anyone with a different opinion they even used sharpshooters to kills Thai sons and daughters.

[HUAHIN62]

Well lets see: Dem MP using a private bank account for flood relief funds or BMA approving a multi billion contract without following the tender procedures or ex Education minister buying vocational equipment at 3 times the price ?

[waza]

Thaksin has worked his greedy fingers into every pie, using every trick in the book to find fault with Ahbisit, with little result. However, his status as fugitive convicted criminal is testament to how well he stood up to similar scrutiny.

[Noistar]

The democrats should know, they used the DSI under Suthep against anyone with a different opinion they even used sharpshooters to kills Thai sons and daughters.

Here we go again...........

[billd766]

The democrats should know, they used the DSI under Suthep against anyone with a different opinion they even used sharpshooters to kills Thai sons and daughters.

I get bored with asking this question but here goes.

Do YOU personally have ANY positive proof of what you have said?

If you do please publish it after you have sent it to the PTP and the DSI, if not it is only hearsay and anybody can say anything they want as hearsay or personal opinion and it is meaningless.

Edited November 15, 2012 by billd766

[hellodolly]

The democrats should know, they used the DSI under Suthep against anyone with a different opinion they even used sharpshooters to kills Thai sons and daughters.

If your sons and daughters were shot by sharp shooters maybe it is a lesson to any one else willing to sell their weapons and soul to Thaksin.

I am sorry for your loss but as history has shown us it was a needless. Thaksin got back in power by the vote not his attempted coup.

[hellodolly]

The democrats should know, they used the DSI under Suthep against anyone with a different opinion they even used sharpshooters to kills Thai sons and daughters.

I get bored with asking this question but here goes.

Do YOU personally have ANY positive proof of what you have said?

If you do please publish it after you have sent it to the PTP and the DSI, if not it is only hearsay and anybody can say anything they want as hearsay or personal opinion and it is meaningless.

Not entirely hear say there is a lot of evidence on u tube. None of it shows Dem's urging people to burn Bangkok down or invading hospitals. None of it shows Dem's hiding behind a barricade and holding their kid on top of it as a target.

[rubl]

It is indeed interesting that the pressure on the Democrats seems to have increased just before the planned censure debate. Of course you have to be a yellow-shirt, PAD loving, fascist elite waiting for a coup to really believe that.

All is simple and pure altruism displayed by those wonderful people in Pheu Thai, UDD and others who just want harmony, reconciliation and those who think differently 'eradicated'. Democratically of course

[Anon999]

Probably, but there isn't a government party in power in any country in the world where an investigation of a leading figure in the government and an equal level opposition party figure would be treated the same way.

I'm NOT saying such an investigation wouln't be fair, but I AM saying that the treatment of a high ranking opposition politician and the treatment of a similar high ranking government figure in the press would always be different.

And the comments made about such investigations by politicians to the news media would be very different depending on the party affiliation of the politician commenting wouldn't they?

It's just that the aacusations and investigations of "improprity" are done with a little more discretion and carefulness than in Thailand.

Basically, there's rellay no difference, it's just handled with more discretion there than it is in Thailand.

Try reading up on the recent government minister who was forced to resign in the UK before making sweeping statements.

[Thai at Heart]

It is indeed interesting that the pressure on the Democrats seems to have increased just before the planned censure debate. Of course you have to be a yellow-shirt, PAD loving, fascist elite waiting for a coup to really believe that.

All is simple and pure altruism displayed by those wonderful people in Pheu Thai, UDD and others who just want harmony, reconciliation and those who think differently 'eradicated'. Democratically of course

This has obviously been one of their jokers to play. Its hard to take the moral high ground when you have even a toe in the water.

[rubl]

It is indeed interesting that the pressure on the Democrats seems to have increased just before the planned censure debate. Of course you have to be a yellow-shirt, PAD loving, fascist elite waiting for a coup to really believe that.

All is simple and pure altruism displayed by those wonderful people in Pheu Thai, UDD and others who just want harmony, reconciliation and those who think differently 'eradicated'. Democratically of course

This has obviously been one of their jokers to play. Its hard to take the moral high ground when you have even a toe in the water.

With the history of this major National defence related issue I can only say that just because someone started to throw mud without proper justification, it's obvious that something must be wrong and MP Abhisit should be stripped of his MP status as well. That'll teach him not to even try to question our PM. With the word of Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Dr. weng 'eradicate the Democrats'.

BTW did you read on how this got started, four months ago?

http://www.thaivisa....-ministry-says/

http://www.thaivisa....e/#entry5512712

[Thai at Heart]

It is indeed interesting that the pressure on the Democrats seems to have increased just before the planned censure debate. Of course you have to be a yellow-shirt, PAD loving, fascist elite waiting for a coup to really believe that.

All is simple and pure altruism displayed by those wonderful people in Pheu Thai, UDD and others who just want harmony, reconciliation and those who think differently 'eradicated'. Democratically of course

This has obviously been one of their jokers to play. Its hard to take the moral high ground when you have even a toe in the water.

With the history of this major National defence related issue I can only say that just because someone started to throw mud without proper justification, it's obvious that something must be wrong and MP Abhisit should be stripped of his MP status as well. That'll teach him not to even try to question our PM. With the word of Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Dr. weng 'eradicate the Democrats'.

BTW did you read on how this got started, four months ago?

http://www.thaivisa....-ministry-says/

http://www.thaivisa....e/#entry5512712

No i did, but, knowing how it is in Thailand, he and many others dodged it.

They have a committee decision now, abhisit appeals. But a tiny issue like this goes absolutely to the heart of many issues in Thailand.

I don't care personally whether he did dodge it our not, but all i know is millions could gave dodged too, if they had 20k spare.

This is all part of Thailand growing up to hold people accountable. I an not happy that abhisit is caught up in it, but that's politics.

So from now on, don't buy your kids out of national service. Not a wholly bad thing is it?

[rubl]

It is indeed interesting that the pressure on the Democrats seems to have increased just before the planned censure debate. Of course you have to be a yellow-shirt, PAD loving, fascist elite waiting for a coup to really believe that.

All is simple and pure altruism displayed by those wonderful people in Pheu Thai, UDD and others who just want harmony, reconciliation and those who think differently 'eradicated'. Democratically of course

This has obviously been one of their jokers to play. Its hard to take the moral high ground when you have even a toe in the water.

With the history of this major National defence related issue I can only say that just because someone started to throw mud without proper justification, it's obvious that something must be wrong and MP Abhisit should be stripped of his MP status as well. That'll teach him not to even try to question our PM. With the word of Pheu Thai party list MP and UDD leader Dr. weng 'eradicate the Democrats'.

BTW did you read on how this got started, four months ago?

http://www.thaivisa....-ministry-says/

http://www.thaivisa....e/#entry5512712

No i did, but, knowing how it is in Thailand, he and many others dodged it.

They have a committee decision now, abhisit appeals. But a tiny issue like this goes absolutely to the heart of many issues in Thailand.

I don't care personally whether he did dodge it our not, but all i know is millions could gave dodged too, if they had 20k spare.

This is all part of Thailand growing up to hold people accountable. I an not happy that abhisit is caught up in it, but that's politics.

So from now on, don't buy your kids out of national service. Not a wholly bad thing is it?

"did you read on how this got started, four months ago?" --> "No i did, but, knowing how it is in Thailand"

I'm terribly sorry, but I find it difficult to accept such reasoning.

[Thai at Heart]

Rubl,

I visit the local army base regularly for my kids to play sport, and my brother in law has a transport contract to send conscripts from isaan down south.

These boys are shitting in their pants to go down there, whilst heavy equipment sits idle in isaan.

I think it is more than reasonable, that when conscription exists, you expect the pm to have done it just the same as any other.

Call it political, but there wasn't even any chance abhisit would have seen action then. In south korea, they would spit on him in the street for not doing his duty.

It probably want even his choice, but now he will pay a political price.

[rubl]

Rubl,

I visit the local army base regularly for my kids to play sport, and my brother in law has a transport contract to send conscripts from isaan down south.

These boys are shitting in their pants to go down there, whilst heavy equipment sits idle in isaan.

I think it is more than reasonable, that when conscription exists, you expect the pm to have done it just the same as any other.

Call it political, but there wasn't even any chance abhisit would have seen action then. In south korea, they would spit on him in the street for not doing his duty.

It probably want even his choice, but now he will pay a political price.

I miss the legal justification in this. It's all about ;Ithink', 'you expect', 'not his choice, but he pays'. The reference to S. Korea is under assumptions which aren't proven.

Please read some of the previous topics, like the ones from July this year. With all that it is not clear to me that k. Abhisit dodged the draft and sought/found an alternative, more easy place to serve. The MoD is really interested in 'avoiding a draft into politics', the new Pheu Thai leader interested in 'status of Abhisit before he gets a chance to ask questions in parliament addressing our dear smiling PM', etc., etc.

1986, 1988 and the National Security of our country is being threatened by this (alleged) draft dodger who is also to be vilified for saying 'kill me some red-shirts', allegedly that is, on a fake tape. Why does it take the ICC so long, didn't Robert A. c.s. offer enough 'proof' ?

Having said that, what proof did the public get of what allegedly k. Abhisit did wrong?