Another Sorry Story

[SilentReader]

Thai police tried to blame boyfriend for woman's death

A Sydney man was forced to wait for six days in Thailand after local police allegedly tried to blame him for a motorcycle accident that killed his girlfriend, despite CCTV video proving he was not to blame.

Jamie Keith and Nicole Fitzsimons were holidaying in Koh Samui last month when the tragic accident unfolded.

CCTV cameras captured the moment a local driver, allegedly travelling at 80km/h, careered straight into the couple as they waited to turn into their resort on a motorcycle, A Current Affair reports.

"We came to a stand still waiting for an on-coming scooter to go past," Mr Keith said.

"This almighty bang just hit us from behind and I just remembered flying across the road and sort of blanked out for a second.

"I yelled and screamed for help. I was telling her it was all going to be okay."

Full story: http://news.ninemsn....or-womans-death

-- 9NEWS National 2012-11-28

Edited November 28, 2012 by webfact
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[churchill]

This is terrible .....when will the Thai Police treat people in a fair and just manner ...

I was treated in the same way after an accident and threatened with either night in jail , impounding my car , taking my passport etc etc ....

I signed ...later I learnt the police had fabricated a story to protect the Thai .. so that he would be able to claim insurance ....etc etc ..

[Boater]

How sad , but happens all to often , this story should be moved to thailand news

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[Rooo]

How sad , but happens all to often , this story should be moved to thailand news

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Already in the works.

[John 1]

I find it very hard to say who's right or wrong when only one side of the story is being told. Still it's another sorry motorbike accident.

[churchill]

I find it very hard to say who's right or wrong when only one side of the story is being told. Still it's another sorry motorbike accident.

Isn't that the whole point !!! only one side is being told the side made up by the police ......

'CCTV cameras captured the moment a local driver, allegedly travelling at 80km/h, careered straight into the couple as they waited to turn into their resort on a motorcycle, A Current Affair reports.

"We came to a stand still waiting for an on-coming scooter to go past," Mr Keith said.'

[Rooo]

This story is about four weeks old. Just wondering why it never appeared in local news. Also first time in mainstream Aus news.

No mention of Australian embassy / consulate involvement either.

Not saying it didn't happen, but Channel Nine is well known for exaggerating & fabrications of stories for ratings.

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[Pormax]

What can I say but more injustice. The CCTV footage is plain as day who was wrong.

If a copy of this was sent to all in the goverment here, nothing would be done. Np prosecution for the driver. No return of money and an apology to the boyfriend. No action taken against the corrupt policemen.

The problem is we can rant and rave about this but the Thai authorities will close their ears and eyes no matter what. You are not Thai so you must be at fault.

I love Thailand but this really stinks.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Pormax

[churchill]

This story is about four weeks old. Just wondering why it never appeared in local news. Also first time in mainstream Aus news.

No mention of Australian embassy / consulate involvement either.

Not saying it didn't happen, but Channel Nine is well known for exaggerating & fabrications of stories for ratings.

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Did you see the video ??? what do you mean exaggerating ....did accident not happen / ...was a life not lost because ( from the video) a young Thai driving very fast hit the couple from behind ..

how can one exaggerate a loss of life .....

Clearly it cannot be the couple's fault .. they were hit from behind

Edited November 27, 2012 by churchill

[Rooo]

This story is about four weeks old. Just wondering why it never appeared in local news. Also first time in mainstream Aus news.

No mention of Australian embassy / consulate involvement either.

Not saying it didn't happen, but Channel Nine is well known for exaggerating & fabrications of stories for ratings.

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Did you see the video ??? what do you mean exaggerating ....did accident not happen / ...was a life not lost because ( from the video) a young Thai driving very fast hit the couple from behind ..

how can one exaggerate a loss of life .....

Clearly it cannot be the couple's fault .. they were hit from behind

Never said it didn't happen, never said the scenario didn't take place. just that this News Source is well known for embellishing stories.

Please just think for one second, the Australian embassy would have had to be involved.Legal aspects would have been suggested & advised.

Not contesting CCTV or a death has occurred

I have scoured several Australian news sources , waiting for.more details.

[churchill]

'It is with great sadness that we share the terrible news that Hawkesbury Radio Rugby League Commentary Team Member Nicole Fitzsimons was involved in a fatal motorbike accident while holidaying in Thailand.

The news was broadcast on Channel Nine on Saturday October 20. Here is the transcript from the Nine News bulletin' see http://hawkesburyradio.com.au/

and http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/1079733/charity-to-honour-nicole/?cs=148

[Rooo]

'It is with great sadness that we share the terrible news that Hawkesbury Radio Rugby League Commentary Team Member Nicole Fitzsimons was involved in a fatal motorbike accident while holidaying in Thailand.

The news was broadcast on Channel Nine on Saturday October 20. Here is the transcript from the Nine News bulletin' see http://hawkesburyradio.com.au/

and http://www.dailyadve...-nicole/?cs=148

Good work Churchill.

[Oak]

May she rest in peace. Very unfortunate accident.They were hit by another bike,at 80 kmh, that's a hard hit.I don't know the extent of her injuries, was she wearing a helmet?

Very very sad.

[Boater]

havin watched the CCTV images, it appears to be a young Thai travelling with no care in the world with no road sense , and just carering straight into them, and it is clearly visible to be the Thai's fault ...

This is why , when driving a motorbike in thailand, i NEVER wait in the centre lane to turn Right, i wait on the side till all the traffic is clear , then ride across, as to many crazy drivers out there can crash into you ( mainly drunk TRUCK drivers )

Edited November 27, 2012 by Boater

[ripstanley]

There is another thread running on this same topic

[Rooo]

havin watched the CCTV images, it appears to be a young Thai travelling with no care in the world with no road sense , and just carering straight into them, and it is clearly visible to be the Thai's fault ...

This is why , when driving a motorbike in thailand, i NEVER wait in the centre lane to turn Right, i wait on the side till all the traffic is clear , then ride across, as to many crazy drivers out there can crash into you ( mainly drunk TRUCK drivers )

No one said it was his fault. I just like to know where the Australian Embassy was during the aftermath of the accident.

[Beetlejuice]

I watched the full video and read the article. Jamie Keith says; (“I was vulnerable and they were obviously after one thing and one thing only, it was my money. It was a way to bribe my way out of it"). But was it? That was only his opinion, but nowhere has he mentioned that the police actually asked him for money or how much money was involved.

Also the fact is that the couple were not wearing helmets, which is a negligent act and against the law, plus considering that the couple had been out during that night, it is possible that they had been drinking, as many of the pictures of them out dining in the video have an alcoholic drink on the table.

If you look carefully at the video, it appears that Jamie Keith did not indicate he was going to turn right and the other motorcyclist attempted to over take him, then suddenly Jamie Keith pulls sharply over to the right, hence the collision.

Another point is, that although the other party was also not wearing a helmet, there is no mention of the extent as to what injuries he sustained during the impact? Because I very much doubt that the guy actually got up and simply walked away from this.

These are only my observations and it appears that the couple were not entirely blameless regarding this tragic event and therefore unjustified in portraying the other party and the police as the complete wrong doers in this case, plus the allegations being made against the police here are unfounded without any evidence to back it up.

Extremely tragic and my heartfelt condolences go out to the girl’s finance and all others concerned.

As usual with these themes, I hope the emphasis will not turn towards Thai bashing and as a platform for those who have extreme prejudices about Thailand as a whole to air their views.

The question should be, were the police right to place the blame solely on Jamie Keith? As he allegedly claims? ALLEGELY. As after perusing the video and article, in my opinion the police were justified in this case to want to bring charges against him and also in my opinion, I believe Jamie Keith got off lightly, that’s legally, because tragically he has lost his finance, and will never recover from that.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Beetlejuice

[Boater]

havin watched the CCTV images, it appears to be a young Thai travelling with no care in the world with no road sense , and just carering straight into them, and it is clearly visible to be the Thai's fault ...

This is why , when driving a motorbike in thailand, i NEVER wait in the centre lane to turn Right, i wait on the side till all the traffic is clear , then ride across, as to many crazy drivers out there can crash into you ( mainly drunk TRUCK drivers )

No one said it was his fault. I just like to know where the Australian Embassy was during the aftermath of the accident.

The police report is ...

They won't inform the embassy if they are trying to stitch someone up , and if no other foreign influence is aware if the arrest

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[maxme]

@Chooka... I meant the driver who caused the accident not the Aussie

[chooka]

havin watched the CCTV images, it appears to be a young Thai travelling with no care in the world with no road sense , and just carering straight into them, and it is clearly visible to be the Thai's fault ...

This is why , when driving a motorbike in thailand, i NEVER wait in the centre lane to turn Right, i wait on the side till all the traffic is clear , then ride across, as to many crazy drivers out there can crash into you ( mainly drunk TRUCK drivers )

No one said it was his fault. I just like to know where the Australian Embassy was during the aftermath of the accident.

The police report is ...

They won't inform the embassy if they are trying to stitch someone up , and if no other foreign influence is aware if the arrest

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If the embassy was called then the pre prepared statement of confession would have to be in English, he would have to be made aware of what he was signing and not just some document written in Thai signing over his kidneys to somchais mother.

Edited November 27, 2012 by chooka

[chooka]

There is another thread running on this same topic http://www.thaivisa....r-womans-death/

That one was in the general area where more people could see and has been shut down.

[Rooo]

There is another thread running on this same topic http://www.thaivisa....r-womans-death/

That one was in the general area where more people could see and has been shut down.

Well Chooka it's a Samui incident, it is linked to the other thread.

[evadgib]

Once again an event that would make local or perhaps national headlines in the homelands of contributors to this thread has happened under the noses of those that live here without the majority knowing anything about it.

How can the BIB conceal this & yet sell or otherwise disperse footage of Rape victims etc to the highest bidder within hours of their ordeal(s)?

Edited November 27, 2012 by evadgib

[BusyBee123]

He can't seriously push all the blame on the other rider, he pulled out from one one side of the road and cut across to the other without even looking behind to see if anything was coming and was at no point stationary. No indicator! when turning he was way off the correct place to be turning (one side of road to other!). He couldn't possibly be an experienced rider driving like that, does it say in the report if he has a bike license, no sound on this computer. Seems like the other guy was going to fast to react but to give him full blame is wrong, I don't know what the speed limit is on that section of road but lots of the other trucks and bikes travelling at a similar speed. I do think the ozzie guy could have easily prevented this by doing what any experienced bike rider does by always checking behind several times if necessary before turning. What was his rush it was a busy road. Maybe he was too focused on what was coming towards him or had a drink who knows. Would anyone just change lanes on a motorway without checking your mirrors, indicating and checking your blind spot. Did she die from head injuries? Didn't see any helmets on the cctv.

Just my opinion.

[softgeorge]

There is another thread running on this same topic http://www.thaivisa....r-womans-death/

That one was in the general area where more people could see and has been shut down.

Well Chooka it's a Samui incident, it is linked to the other thread.

That was my fault not the moderators. I placed the story in the general area for all to see as I thought it should be brought to the attention of the wider audience. My appologies to the samui members..

[softgeorge]

He can't seriously push all the blame on the other rider, he pulled out from one one side of the road and cut across to the other without even looking behind to see if anything was coming and was at no point stationary. No indicator! when turning he was way off the correct place to be turning (one side of road to other!). He couldn't possibly be an experienced rider driving like that, does it say in the report if he has a bike license, no sound on this computer. Seems like the other guy was going to fast to react but to give him full blame is wrong, I don't know what the speed limit is on that section of road but lots of the other trucks and bikes travelling at a similar speed. I do think the ozzie guy could have easily prevented this by doing what any experienced bike rider does by always checking behind several times if necessary before turning. What was his rush it was a busy road. Maybe he was too focused on what was coming towards him or had a drink who knows. Would anyone just change lanes on a motorway without checking your mirrors, indicating and checking your blind spot. Did she die from head injuries? Didn't see any helmets on the cctv.

Just my opinion.

oh the BIB are in thier rights then to extort money and get him to sign something that he can't even read. Are you serious. Bloody farangs causing allm the dramas in Thailand again. Yeah I know if they had of stayed out of Thailand it wouldn't have happened thier fault.

Edited November 27, 2012 by softgeorge

[ydraw]

]No one said it was his fault. I just like to know where the Australian Embassy was during the aftermath of the accident.

There's not a lot the embassy could have done in regards to the police except to advise him to do what he did anyway: Refuse to sign anything in Thai, and refuse to give up his passport.

Well, the one thing they could have done is retrieve his passport if the police took it, but they didn't.

The people trying to blame him for the death of his girlfriend, especially the ones assuming he was drunk should DIAF. The guy was obviously not an experienced motorbike rider as evidenced by his failure to check his blind spot, but checking it would have done nothing in this case anyway, since the rider that hit them was going ridiculously fast, and he wouldn't have had time to correct his action anyway.

If this had happened in Australia, the rider that hit them would have been charged with culpable driving/reckless driving causing death and imprisoned. Both his speed and the fact that he was trying to overtake a vehicle turning right on their right hand side are straightforward examples of reckless driving.

Edited November 27, 2012 by ydraw

[BusyBee123]

He can't seriously push all the blame on the other rider, he pulled out from one one side of the road and cut across to the other without even looking behind to see if anything was coming and was at no point stationary. No indicator! when turning he was way off the correct place to be turning (one side of road to other!). He couldn't possibly be an experienced rider driving like that, does it say in the report if he has a bike license, no sound on this computer. Seems like the other guy was going to fast to react but to give him full blame is wrong, I don't know what the speed limit is on that section of road but lots of the other trucks and bikes travelling at a similar speed. I do think the ozzie guy could have easily prevented this by doing what any experienced bike rider does by always checking behind several times if necessary before turning. What was his rush it was a busy road. Maybe he was too focused on what was coming towards him or had a drink who knows. Would anyone just change lanes on a motorway without checking your mirrors, indicating and checking your blind spot. Did she die from head injuries? Didn't see any helmets on the cctv.

Just my opinion.

oh the BIB are in thier rights then to extort money and get him to sign something that he can't even read. Are you serious. Bloody farangs causing allm the dramas in Thailand again. Yeah I know if they had of stayed out of Thailand it wouldn't have happened thier fault.

Did I mention the police? No,but feel free to answer your own questions. I just get sick of shoddy journalism evident in the article, wouldn't waste time talking about the thai police.

[Tropicalevo]

So very sad that the girl lost her life. Condolences to her family.

So stupid of them not to wear helmets. Sorry - but it has to be said. How many tourists have to die because it looks cool to go 'free'. As one report wrote "The blow she took to her head was so severe."

Yes I m a heartless bar steward (maybe) but it could have been different. Driving license? Previous motorbike experience? Helmet?

Of course the BIB's are wrong. How come the guy knows what the Thai document says? Does anyone know that the other rider paid the police? Who really knows what happened?

Sorry - still some unanswered questions from a one sided TV program.

It's back to the age old problem in Thailand. It's OK for me to break the small laws, but not OK for him to break the big ones.

Ride a bike - wear a helmet. The life that you save may be your own.

[Beetlejuice]

He can't seriously push all the blame on the other rider, he pulled out from one one side of the road and cut across to the other without even looking behind to see if anything was coming and was at no point stationary. No indicator! when turning he was way off the correct place to be turning (one side of road to other!). He couldn't possibly be an experienced rider driving like that, does it say in the report if he has a bike license, no sound on this computer. Seems like the other guy was going to fast to react but to give him full blame is wrong, I don't know what the speed limit is on that section of road but lots of the other trucks and bikes travelling at a similar speed. I do think the ozzie guy could have easily prevented this by doing what any experienced bike rider does by always checking behind several times if necessary before turning. What was his rush it was a busy road. Maybe he was too focused on what was coming towards him or had a drink who knows. Would anyone just change lanes on a motorway without checking your mirrors, indicating and checking your blind spot. Did she die from head injuries? Didn't see any helmets on the cctv.

Just my opinion.

oh the BIB are in thier rights then to extort money and get him to sign something that he can't even read. Are you serious. Bloody farangs causing allm the dramas in Thailand again. Yeah I know if they had of stayed out of Thailand it wouldn't have happened thier fault.

He can't seriously push all the blame on the other rider, he pulled out from one one side of the road and cut across to the other without even looking behind to see if anything was coming and was at no point stationary. No indicator! when turning he was way off the correct place to be turning (one side of road to other!). He couldn't possibly be an experienced rider driving like that, does it say in the report if he has a bike license, no sound on this computer. Seems like the other guy was going to fast to react but to give him full blame is wrong, I don't know what the speed limit is on that section of road but lots of the other trucks and bikes travelling at a similar speed. I do think the ozzie guy could have easily prevented this by doing what any experienced bike rider does by always checking behind several times if necessary before turning. What was his rush it was a busy road. Maybe he was too focused on what was coming towards him or had a drink who knows. Would anyone just change lanes on a motorway without checking your mirrors, indicating and checking your blind spot. Did she die from head injuries? Didn't see any helmets on the cctv.

Just my opinion.

oh the BIB are in thier rights then to extort money and get him to sign something that he can't even read. Are you serious. Bloody farangs causing allm the dramas in Thailand again. Yeah I know if they had of stayed out of Thailand it wouldn't have happened thier fault.

The police would not be in they’re rights to extort money from anyone, agreed on that. But this is only hearsay according to the statement made by the Australian, who has not substantiated any facts.

On viewing the video the accident was clearly at least 95% the fault of the Australian guy, who may have had a few drinks prior to the return journey, failed to ensure that he and his fiancée were wearing safety helmets, failed to look into his rear view mirrors and failed to indicate he was turning right from a position on the near side of the road.

In my opinion he should have been charged with negligent driving and not making excuses or passing the buck onto other people.

Here are the facts: If the Australian would have followed a few simple traffic procedures, than his fiancée would have been alive and well today.

Don`t take my word for it. Watch the video yourself, the evidence doesn’t lie.

I wonder if the other party concerned, that`s if he survived, will ever receive compensation and justice for his trauma and injuries? Somehow I doubt it.

Edited November 27, 2012 by Beetlejuice