Abhisit: I Will Fight Charge, Accept Any Outcome

[philw]

Also very worthy of note is that the two teenagers accused of burning down Central World have today just been acquitted.

Insufficient evidence.

I do wonder who really did burn it down...........

[MunterHunter]

What absolute rubbish. why lie?

Its not a lie, its the truth... My office ended up having to relocate for several months when the staff couldn't get to the work place safely.

[NCFC]

We're straying off topic here but I'd like to point out that not only did the protesters, bystanders and journalists have a choice to be there, they had a RIGHT to be there. Similarly they had a RIGHT to protection from the authorities and not aggression. They had a right to be protected from any violent elements not simply branded as terrorists because a minority were acting like them.

Elections hadn't been promised prior to the protests and a late change of heart by Abhisit, only when faced with a mass occupation of the city, to grant the citizens their democratic right to vote (but only at a time of his choosing) didn't appease the situation.... perhaps too little, too late?

I'd also like to point out that I made a single post that actually addressed the topic at hand and gave my thoughts on Abhisit's interview with the BBC. Please don't disingenuously suggest that I'm repeating myself. This is the first time that I have written about Abhisit's show of mock bravado during the BBC interview being in bad taste given the deaths of so many in 2010 who didn't have the luxury of a trial or a platform to explain their motivation or actions.

How does anyone have the "right" to be at an illegal assembly?

Because it was an entirely legal assembly UNTIL Abhisit well, lets see first he said foreigners attending would be arrested and then he declared a state of Emergency after some suspicious explosions went off conveniently around Bangkok.

No witnesses, no working CCTV, no injuries except at Poseidon Massage (hi-so knocking shop) where a car bomb exploded seriously injuring the bomber.

Abhisit's then Minister for Commerce only previous work experience was working for her mother as a Madame in their Poseidon Massage parlour.

"lets see first he said foreigners attending would be arrested and then he declared a state of Emergency after some suspicious explosions went off conveniently around Bangkok"

You mean these?

1) the firing of an M79 into the 11th Infantry Regiment on January 28, 2010;

2) the firing of grenades during the incidents at Kok Wua intersection on April 10, 2010, which caused 5 deaths of soldiers (including that of Col Romklao);

3) the firing into the oil depot at Prathum Thani on April 21, 2010;

4) the firing of an M79 into the BTS station at Sala-Daeng on April 22, 2010, which caused 2 deaths and 78 injuries;

5) the firing of 3 RPGs into Dusit-Thani Hotel on May 17, 2010);

6) the firing attack into the police flat at Lumpini Police Station on May 19, 2010, causing deaths and injuries of police officers and their families;

7) the firing of an M16 on police officers and soldiers in front of the Krung Thai Bank, Sala-Daeng Branch, on May 7, 2010, which caused 1 death and 2 injuries of policemen;

8) the firing into the UCL building on May 14, 2010, causing 1 deaths and 4 injuries of police officers

Nicky, I don't think the perpetrators have ever been identified.You may have an opinion, but it is only that.

[righteous]

>Thats about the way it was (Post #57-MrSlatersParrot)

>Although it is in the interests of some to characterize these protesters as a non-political, anarchic rabble, devoid of all decency, standing up to the angelic military, and more importantly, those who deployed that military. Never mind they were 80% women.

>Plus, to separate them from their reason-for-being, the coup, all the better.

>Than the most ridiculous characterization of all - they were terrorists.......Unbelievable.

>In hindsight, everyone now realizes they were simply asserting their democratic rights. To be governed by an electoral majority, which they represented, and which they proved in the next election. .................Everyone knows that now - they knew it then!

>Certainly puts into context their principle demand of elections, which Abhisit tried desperately to delay. A delaying effort resulting in the killing of over 90 people....Unconscionable.

>Will he now pay the price?....I doubt it. Maybe losing face will be enough. He is now reduced to faux bravado as shown above, and desperately trying to change the conversation.

Edited December 12, 2012 by righteous

[tgeezer]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

It was well organised but it was like cup final day at Wembley but the numbers were huge.

Before Abhisit declared it illegal for farang to attend.

Saw nick Nostitz there.

So you have 150,000 people gathered at the Democracy Monument and it was a legal demonstration and what did Abhisit do?

He ignored it.

He assumed they would all get bored and slope off.

So they didn't go and the demonstration spread.

Abhisit went and hid out in a military barracks.

So control then passed to the military and we ended up with the events of April 10th.

Then after that the redshirts went to Rachprasong and their numbers grew to 250,000.

You shouldn't need the PM government to tell you not to attend, your friends if they were real redshirts, would have been delighted if your death could have put them on the front page of the international press.

[Nickymaster]

Also very worthy of note is that the two teenagers accused of burning down Central World have today just been acquitted.

Insufficient evidence.

I do wonder who really did burn it down...........

And 2 main suspects are still at large...

I don't know who burned it down but it could be related to this event. That's all I know. Just guessing.

[smutcakes]

What absolute rubbish. why lie?

Its not a lie, its the truth... My office ended up having to relocate for several months when the staff couldn't get to the work place safely.

well you are the worlds most unlucky person. I to worked in Central World and around Chidlom. I walked through the areas about 3-4 times daily over the 6 week period, and never once was stopped, inquired after or even taken any notice at all or felt the least bit threatened even when going home late in the evening (the last few days aside when the pressure when up a few notches it was a bit intimidating). Why the hell would they worry about a farang.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

I just told you.

I visited the Democracy Monument site in March.

What followed was largely the responsibility of your poster boy.

He fanned the flames and to sit and watch his interview yesterday with the BBC what struck me was the man's arrogance.

He has that thai trait that when you tell a fib to embelish it as much as possible much as we did when we were children.

In this country the rich just keep getting richer and the poor well they just stay poor.

It's funny but over in China they have privatised all their major utilities as Thaksin tried to do here.

But see you have the yellows opposed to privatisation and then you have Pitak Siam who want to seize foreign assets eg oil explorers but not to nationalise.

You have to go back to Suthep's secret meetings with Hun Sen over oil and gas rights and Hun Sen partly spilling the beans over the negotiations and the thai families who would share out the spoils.

Abhisit and his clan if you like are all just getting richer. They have more and more apparent power.

Where will it all end? You tell me.

[philw]

Also very worthy of note is that the two teenagers accused of burning down Central World have today just been acquitted.

Insufficient evidence.

I do wonder who really did burn it down...........

And 2 main suspects are still at large...

I don't know who burned it down but it could be related to this event. That's all I know. Just guessing.

Amazing isn't it, all those soldiers, hundreds of cctv cams and the best efforts of the government of time to get the culprits and yet nothing, no convictions, no men in black arrested, no arsonists convicted, zero, zilch.....................

[Nickymaster]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

I just told you.

I visited the Democracy Monument site in March.

What followed was largely the responsibility of your poster boy.

He fanned the flames and to sit and watch his interview yesterday with the BBC what struck me was the man's arrogance.

He has that thai trait that when you tell a fib to embelish it as much as possible much as we did when we were children.

In this country the rich just keep getting richer and the poor well they just stay poor.

It's funny but over in China they have privatised all their major utilities as Thaksin tried to do here.

But see you have the yellows opposed to privatisation and then you have Pitak Siam who want to seize foreign assets eg oil explorers but not to nationalise.

You have to go back to Suthep's secret meetings with Hun Sen over oil and gas rights and Hun Sen partly spilling the beans over the negotiations and the thai families who would share out the spoils.

Abhisit and his clan if you like are all just getting richer. They have more and more apparent power.

Where will it all end? You tell me.

In general, we are all agreeing that Thailand is corrupt (and getting more corrupt), the education system is a mess, the south is a mess and that the rich getting richer and that the poor getting poorer.

Somebody must take the blame for this. Maybe the government that was in power 10 out of the last 12 years?

[Skywalker69]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

Thank you for sharing.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Also very worthy of note is that the two teenagers accused of burning down Central World have today just been acquitted.

Insufficient evidence.

I do wonder who really did burn it down...........

What we do know that the fires were set professionally.

We know they were set on the fourth floor.

Of course Jatuporn alleges that eye witnesses saw some men entering Central world.

They were in civvies but were all wearing army boots.

I heard the security guards who were shot at inside Central World were on 1 day contracts!

We've seen the pictures of the staff at Central World being shot at in the legs with shotgun pellets and all rounded up by the soldiers and held inside the Central World car park, marched out by the soldiers, held outside and then released when the fire starts and subsequently being shot at by soldiers from the BTS track.

I'm sure they could tell a tale or two if any of them were called to give testimony to the DSI.

Abhisit's commitee of course never interviewed anyone. Many people are too afraid to testify.

[Nickymaster]

Also very worthy of note is that the two teenagers accused of burning down Central World have today just been acquitted.

Insufficient evidence.

I do wonder who really did burn it down...........

And 2 main suspects are still at large...

I don't know who burned it down but it could be related to this event. That's all I know. Just guessing.

Amazing isn't it, all those soldiers, hundreds of cctv cams and the best efforts of the government of time to get the culprits and yet nothing, no convictions, no men in black arrested, no arsonists convicted, zero, zilch.....................

There were arrests. Definitely not zero arrests. I heard somewhere that 493 (or so) people were arrested charged.

I believe that is what DSI Tharit said a few days ago. I will look it up.

And if Thailand would have a police force that would be less corrupt, many more would have been arrested.

Look what happened a few weeks ago, over a hundred arrests within 2 hours after the protest started.

Edited December 12, 2012 by Nickymaster

[F430murci]

Sounds like victim martyr stuff to me. I will accept my fate, but what about Thaksin . . . Be a bigger man and step up and say the real focus needs to be on the innocent children in the South getting killed daily and being prevented from getting an education by terrorist activity. All these bozos are so preoccupied with their selves and their own personal vendettas that real suffering and the needs of many go unnoticed.

[jcb2001]

This can't backfire.

The Democrats are so deeply unpopular in the poorest regions of the country that this is a win-win for the government.

Guilty verdict satisfies Thaksin, the red shirts and their sympathisers, not-guilty (carefully spun) exposes the corruption in the court system and re-enforces that the elite, the coup-makers and their associates never go to jail.

It's brilliant politics from the master (underhanded admittedly). It also paves way to have all these niggling little 'politically motivated' guilty verdicts annulled.

Watch, and learn.

Disagree, It appears to me a lot of the farmers here in Issan are having buyers remorse in the current gov't they helped put in just over a year ago. I'm just repeating what I'm hearing on the streets.

[gl555]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

What absolute rubbish. why lie?

Typical Red apologist. Someone states something that is contrary to what the Red propaganda spews and they're 'lying'.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

I just told you.

I visited the Democracy Monument site in March.

What followed was largely the responsibility of your poster boy.

He fanned the flames and to sit and watch his interview yesterday with the BBC what struck me was the man's arrogance.

He has that thai trait that when you tell a fib to embelish it as much as possible much as we did when we were children.

In this country the rich just keep getting richer and the poor well they just stay poor.

It's funny but over in China they have privatised all their major utilities as Thaksin tried to do here.

But see you have the yellows opposed to privatisation and then you have Pitak Siam who want to seize foreign assets eg oil explorers but not to nationalise.

You have to go back to Suthep's secret meetings with Hun Sen over oil and gas rights and Hun Sen partly spilling the beans over the negotiations and the thai families who would share out the spoils.

Abhisit and his clan if you like are all just getting richer. They have more and more apparent power.

Where will it all end? You tell me.

In general, we are all agreeing that Thailand is corrupt (and getting more corrupt), the education system is a mess, the south is a mess and that the rich getting richer and that the poor getting poorer.

Somebody must take the blame for this. Maybe the government that was in power 10 out of the last 12 years?

that's the point.

It's behind the government. Third hand, whatever. The wealth.

That's where the power is.

Why have there been 17 coups?

They always say it's because of corruption but it never gets better.

Those with their fingers in the pie do not want to share.

Pheu thai government is ham-strung.

they can't do much when the constitutional court is appointed by the army.

We have appointed senators thanks to the coups 2006 constitution reinstated.

They're only supposed to serve 1 term so what did they do?

They all resigned days before their term was due to end and reapplied for their positions and started over.

To change the charter and avoid another coup (which using Prayuth's scintillating analysis would be very messy) they will have to give something to the other side.

The Dems as they are currently structured are unelectable.

Maybe to Abhisit that doesn't really matter as he has other means to get what he wants.

If that ain't corrupt I don't know what is.

[rubl]

And here we go again. A complete re-hash of March to May 2010 activities. Foreigners on the stage again (what in most countries would be frowned upon btw), peaceful protesters, no problems, even NN said so ( http://www.thaivisa....00#entry5308387 )

K. Thaksin innocent victim ( http://www.nationmul...t-30129108.html ).

Now let's go back on topic with k. Abhisit saying to fight charge and accepting any outcome. Next k. Thaksin will phone-in and confess 'I couldn't do that'

Edited December 12, 2012 by rubl

[smutcakes]

Because I went there with friends!

A thai man came up to me and shook my hand.

There were police there. It was all very relaxed.

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

What absolute rubbish. why lie?

Typical Red apologist. Someone states something that is contrary to what the Red propaganda spews and they're 'lying'.

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

Why am I a red apologist? If you looked at my post history you would clearly see i am fairly neutral and criticize pretty much all parties the same.

Pfft typical Yellow Shirt, if you are not baying for TS blood every post then you must be a red apologist.

[rubl]

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

If Thai were stopped and searched why not farang. What does it matter if it was sometimes, frequently, mostly, always? Who gave the red-shirt guards the right to stop and seach people? Did the police gave them permits upon application?

Edited December 12, 2012 by rubl

[gl555]

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

Why am I a red apologist? If you looked at my post history you would clearly see i am fairly neutral and criticize pretty much all parties the same.

Pfft typical Yellow Shirt, if you are not baying for TS blood every post then you must be a red apologist.

We take face value what is written here on this board. You say it happened that way, no one has disputed you have written. Someone else say it happened another way, and you call him a liar. That is how the Red apologists on this board function. When someone states something that is contradictory to what the Red gospel says, they're 'liars'.

[Nickymaster]

I went there everyday as i worked in Central World at the time.

Every time i tried to enter the protest site to get to work, i was stopped by the guards and they tried to search me - i was held at gun point by several Thai men when i tried to refuse.

My female staff were groped and grabbed by the guards and they got angry and aggressive when the girls complained or tried to resist. The whole place smelled of p*ss and sh*t after a week or two...

There were no police there and it was far from relaxed and friendly...

I wonder which protest site you went to, it wasn't the same one i had to walk through everyday...

I just told you.

I visited the Democracy Monument site in March.

What followed was largely the responsibility of your poster boy.

He fanned the flames and to sit and watch his interview yesterday with the BBC what struck me was the man's arrogance.

He has that thai trait that when you tell a fib to embelish it as much as possible much as we did when we were children.

In this country the rich just keep getting richer and the poor well they just stay poor.

It's funny but over in China they have privatised all their major utilities as Thaksin tried to do here.

But see you have the yellows opposed to privatisation and then you have Pitak Siam who want to seize foreign assets eg oil explorers but not to nationalise.

You have to go back to Suthep's secret meetings with Hun Sen over oil and gas rights and Hun Sen partly spilling the beans over the negotiations and the thai families who would share out the spoils.

Abhisit and his clan if you like are all just getting richer. They have more and more apparent power.

Where will it all end? You tell me.

In general, we are all agreeing that Thailand is corrupt (and getting more corrupt), the education system is a mess, the south is a mess and that the rich getting richer and that the poor getting poorer.

Somebody must take the blame for this. Maybe the government that was in power 10 out of the last 12 years?

that's the point.

It's behind the government. Third hand, whatever. The wealth.

That's where the power is.

Why have there been 17 coups?

They always say it's because of corruption but it never gets better.

Those with their fingers in the pie do not want to share.

Pheu thai government is ham-strung.

they can't do much when the constitutional court is appointed by the army.

We have appointed senators thanks to the coups 2006 constitution reinstated.

They're only supposed to serve 1 term so what did they do?

They all resigned days before their term was due to end and reapplied for their positions and started over.

To change the charter and avoid another coup (which using Prayuth's scintillating analysis would be very messy) they will have to give something to the other side.

The Dems as they are currently structured are unelectable.

Maybe to Abhisit that doesn't really matter as he has other means to get what he wants.

If that ain't corrupt I don't know what is.

"Pheu thai government is ham-strung.

they can't do much when the constitutional court is appointed by the army"

Please tell me what they cannot do? I agree that they can do more if there would be no courts at all.

1 example: Have you followed the rice scheme? Probably the largest corruption case in Thai history. Hundreds of billions of bahts are being stolen as we speak..Please don't try to say that PT is ham-strung because of the army. They are corrupt as hell. We can all see that.

Edited December 12, 2012 by Nickymaster

[smutcakes]

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

Why am I a red apologist? If you looked at my post history you would clearly see i am fairly neutral and criticize pretty much all parties the same.

Pfft typical Yellow Shirt, if you are not baying for TS blood every post then you must be a red apologist.

We take face value what is written here on this board. You say it happened that way, no one has disputed you have written. Someone else say it happened another way, and you call him a liar. That is how the Red apologists on this board function. When someone states something that is contradictory to what the Red gospel says, they're 'liars'.

Can you give me one reason why I am a red apologist? anyone who works in Bangkok and went through the area everyday, knows full well he did not get searched 'ever time'. I agree with him it stank, and they should have been carted off quick smart, but there is no need for the over the top hyperbole.

[MrSlatersParrot]

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

If Thai were stopped and searched why not farang. What does it matter if it was sometimes, frequently, mostly, always? Who gave the red-shirt guards the right to stop and seach people? Did the police gave them permits upon application?

you may remember that when the army stormed the redshirt camp they found 5 kalashnikov rifles, 7 vietnam era american rifles, ping-pong bombs, firecrackers, rockets and slings.

The redshirt arsenal or weapons seized and confiscated from people entering the protest site.

I'll leave that for you to decide

you have a large crowd and they had to search people.

Anyone can wear a red shirt and some loony entering the site with a bomb or sub machine gun and what would you get.

Panic.

[rubl]

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

If Thai were stopped and searched why not farang. What does it matter if it was sometimes, frequently, mostly, always? Who gave the red-shirt guards the right to stop and seach people? Did the police gave them permits upon application?

you may remember that when the army stormed the redshirt camp they found 5 kalashnikov rifles, 7 vietnam era american rifles, ping-pong bombs, firecrackers, rockets and slings.

The redshirt arsenal or weapons seized and confiscated from people entering the protest site.

I'll leave that for you to decide

you have a large crowd and they had to search people.

Anyone can wear a red shirt and some loony entering the site with a bomb or sub machine gun and what would you get.

Panic.

I also remember that on the 19th of May Canadian vanderGrift running around with the army got a grenade lobbed on him. I also remember that the police helped and allowed militant reds to sneak away.

I don't have a large crowd, and they didn't need to search

Anyone can wear any colour of shirt

Loonies were already in the camp

Surrender by the UDD leaders, "it's over, please go home". let us go safely with these police officers to a cushy holiday home along the beach. And don't forget, 'till the last drop of our blood'.

Panic amongst the remaining cannonfodder.

Anger amogst the others, the less peaceful ones.

Edited December 12, 2012 by rubl

[MrSlatersParrot]

NickyMaster said:

"Please tell me what they cannot do? I agree that they can do more if there would be no courts at all.

1 example: Have you followed the rice scheme? Probably the largest corruption case in Thai history. Hundreds of billions of bahts are being stolen as we speak..Please don't try to say that PT is ham-strung because of the army. They are corrupt as hell. We can all see that."

So we see figures banded about for the huge cost of the rice scheme (designed to guarantee farmers a decent price for their produce I might add) but the opponents go on and on about the cost to buy fail to mention that the government can also sell this rice.

So let's wait and see what they pay for the rice and what they sell it for.

Let's see what they get for it.

[rubl]

While the rich get richer and some even 'amply rich', former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and his then deputy, Suthep Thuagsuban, are scheduled to meet with DSI officials to hear allegations of conspiring in the murders of Red Shirt supporters during Bangkok’s political upheaval in 2010 in their capacity as supervisors of the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES).

Of course it's just the single case of the 18th of May when a taxi driver who in an enclosed area with lots of shooting and gunfights for two days already, wondered who would be shooting now and run out to look. Clearly a conspiry, but no need to blame k. Thaksin. He was shopping in Paris, standing behind, far far behind the red-shirts he didn't even know (as he said later on).

[rubl]

NickyMaster said:

"Please tell me what they cannot do? I agree that they can do more if there would be no courts at all.

1 example: Have you followed the rice scheme? Probably the largest corruption case in Thai history. Hundreds of billions of bahts are being stolen as we speak..Please don't try to say that PT is ham-strung because of the army. They are corrupt as hell. We can all see that."

So we see figures banded about for the huge cost of the rice scheme (designed to guarantee farmers a decent price for their produce I might add) but the opponents go on and on about the cost to buy fail to mention that the government can also sell this rice.

So let's wait and see what they pay for the rice and what they sell it for.

Let's see what they get for it.

Totally off topic, but at least for the moment they get nothing as exports have halved. two years in a row, 2 times THB 400 billion. All farmers rich or just a case of 'the rich get richer' and 'trickle down economy'

[philw]

NickyMaster said:

"Please tell me what they cannot do? I agree that they can do more if there would be no courts at all.

1 example: Have you followed the rice scheme? Probably the largest corruption case in Thai history. Hundreds of billions of bahts are being stolen as we speak..Please don't try to say that PT is ham-strung because of the army. They are corrupt as hell. We can all see that."

So we see figures banded about for the huge cost of the rice scheme (designed to guarantee farmers a decent price for their produce I might add) but the opponents go on and on about the cost to buy fail to mention that the government can also sell this rice.

So let's wait and see what they pay for the rice and what they sell it for.

Let's see what they get for it.

Probably a bit too objective and logical for most of the forum...........

Edited December 12, 2012 by philw

[MrSlatersParrot]

Anyone who works in the area and went to work throughout the time period knows it was not how he described it. I can accept that some people might have been searched occasionally, but a farang searched 'ever time' sure.

If Thai were stopped and searched why not farang. What does it matter if it was sometimes, frequently, mostly, always? Who gave the red-shirt guards the right to stop and seach people? Did the police gave them permits upon application?

you may remember that when the army stormed the redshirt camp they found 5 kalashnikov rifles, 7 vietnam era american rifles, ping-pong bombs, firecrackers, rockets and slings.

The redshirt arsenal or weapons seized and confiscated from people entering the protest site.

I'll leave that for you to decide

you have a large crowd and they had to search people.

Anyone can wear a red shirt and some loony entering the site with a bomb or sub machine gun and what would you get.

Panic.

I also remember that on the 19th of May Canadian vanderGrift running around with the army got a grenade lobbed on him. I also remember that the police helped and allowed militant reds to sneak away.

I don't have a large crowd, and they didn't need to search

Anyone can wear any colour of shirt

Loonies were already in the camp

Surrender by the UDD leaders, "it's over, please go home". let us go safely with these police officers to a cushy holiday home along the beach. And don't forget, 'till the last drop of our blood'.

Panic amongst the remaining cannonfodder.

Anger amogst the others, the less peaceful ones.

19th May?

The army storming of the redshirt camp.

Yes it had all kicked off.

Was that one of the MIB throwing the grenade. I don't think so.

It's funny all those MIB and so why don't we have injured shot soldiers. Shot dead with identifiable bullets.

Where's the forensics?

The MIB's had guns didn't they?

1 soldier was shot dead but by his own side riding the borrowed motorcycle.

All we get are some grenades thrown, lobbed, fired or rolled as on April 10th.

Of course if we believed Suthep (and that's a big ask) The MIB were too busy shooting redshirts in a desperate ploy to blame the peace loving army (who fired 120,000 rounds in a thoroughly peaceful manner.)

Mind you Suthep also said that it was the redshirt's fault as they just kept running into the bullets.

This should all go to the ICC.

We have heard that there were orders to shoot the redshirt leadership issued and they subsequently surrendered to the police on the opposite side of the road.

2000 people sought sanctuary in the temple right next to Paragon where they were shot at.

What happened to the cars parked outside the temple?

They were riddled with bullets from the soldiers trying to shoot through them to shoot the redshirts hiding behind and underneath.

that would be some evidence for the ICC.

i liked the story of the temple boy mooning at the soldiers but that may have contributed to the deaths inside the temple.

We know the soldiers were furious when the redshirts behind the cars didn't surrender to them but ran into the temple.

So they shot up the temple. Pathetic.