Red-Shirts To Push For Amnesty Law: Thailand

[hellodolly]

Thaksin gained from the assassination of Sae Daeng on international tv. No way Thaksin had him slaughtered, Sae Daeng was a loyal man who was totally miffed about being constantly overlooked for promotion when he was Thailands only real Officer (his superiors where jus money men and golfers).

Who gave the order to murder a Thai citizen as it was no Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones. Abhisit would be the only one with authority but no one can see him giving this order, but his superiors may of. These amaat believe they can still do what they have been doing for 60 years.

Any one can give the order to murder. But it has no legal support. for all we know it could have been the wife of the shooter. Truth be known it was probably Thaksin as Sae Daeng was out of control. but the fact remains that he had no legal authority to do it just a blind over whelming drive for power at all costs.

[hellodolly]

So now they are ready to give AV and ST amnesti. R.Amsterdam what is your comment?

I am not so sure about your statement, look again at what she said: She said the amnesty law proposed by the group would help protesters of all colours, not only the red shirts.

However, persons responsible for ordering the murder of people should not qualify for the amnesty, she said.

Yes amnesty Red shirt style - only for people WE want it for!

How about letting EVERYONE off the hook......as is usual in this country..

Which frees the country up for another coup and to start the whole dirty cycle again....

When will they learn? Punish them all I say!!

That is what Thaksin tried to do when he had 1,500 innocent people murdered.

[Rich teacher]

@Rich teacher: not sure I grasp your logic. Do tell.

Not my logic. I was referring to the widely touted green/yellow/blue team logic that the reds killed each other & Seh Daeng

[rubl]

However, persons responsible for ordering the murder of people should not qualify for the amnesty, she said.

Well, that would mean a general amnesty, now wouldn't it. No one ordered the murdering of people unless you would want to include the boss of the grenade lobbing brigade and the MiB.

Having said that I'll leave this topic for all 'well informed' people of TV. Happy New Year to all

[hellodolly]

Thaksin gained from the assassination of Sae Daeng on international tv. No way Thaksin had him slaughtered, Sae Daeng was a loyal man who was totally miffed about being constantly overlooked for promotion when he was Thailands only real Officer (his superiors where jus money men and golfers).

Who gave the order to murder a Thai citizen as it was no Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones. Abhisit would be the only one with authority but no one can see him giving this order, but his superiors may of. These amaat believe they can still do what they have been doing for 60 years.

Any one can give the order to murder. But it has no legal support. for all we know it could have been the wife of the shooter. Truth be known it was probably Thaksin as Sae Daeng was out of control. but the fact remains that he had no legal authority to do it just a blind over whelming drive for power at all costs.

Got to thinking it over, Here is one posability that every body seems to be over looking.

Soldier going to work.

Wife says Honey

If you get a chance kill that crazy Sae Daeng before he burns Bangkok down do it.

[dickyknee]

I just see a whole lot of buz words in that article but none of it makes any sense - democracy and ignore the law in the same paragraph - this woman wouldn't know a democracy in a hundred lives, she along with the rest of the rabble don't have the capacity to understand what the word means.

Ears eyes open mouth shut is the best advise I can offer

I thought she was a communist.

I thought she still is a communist.

[billd766]

I always fine the utterance from this Red Shirt Chairperson to be so humourous, like someone being 'deliberately tongue in cheek' because the comments are so unrealistic. Here she's basically suggesting the red shirts get amnesty but not the rest. We set the prime minister up to shoot us, he goes to jail, we get amnesty for 'fighting for democracy', what planet is she from.

I believe it is called the planet Dork.

Double standards DEMANDED from an unelected person once again.

[yoshiwara]

I just see a whole lot of buz words in that article but none of it makes any sense - democracy and ignore the law in the same paragraph - this woman wouldn't know a democracy in a hundred lives, she along with the rest of the rabble don't have the capacity to understand what the word means.

Ears eyes open mouth shut is the best advise I can offer

I thought she was a communist.

I thought she still is a communist.

Thida continues to retain the methodology and hard-headedness of her former Stalinist CP membership. Unlike the CP which never got anywhere, her allegiance to Thaksin will she would hope yield better returns. Normally former CP members align themselves to social-democratic parties, so where she stands now is an indication of her political degeneration if one might consider that possible. For Thida, the judiciary is an obstacle in the way of cementing state power. Co-opt or break. We have been down this amnesty road before and it didn't work, Thaksin did not apply despite all the hot air. What Thaksin and Thida are looking for is a nullification of the charges. The evidence will be swept away. They don't care.

[rubl]

The group supported the idea of going ahead with the third reading in Parliament of the charter amendment bill to enable the government to set up a charter drafting council to write the new constitution, instead of having a national referendum, she said.

The constitution amendment process was delayed in Parliament, pending the final vote, after the Constitution Court ruled on the need to have a national referendum first.

Only Parliament has the authority to amend the Constitution and the judicial branch has no power to intervene in the process, Thida said.

Ms. Thida doesn't agree with the law and the Constitutional Court. She wants parliament to disobey the ruling of the Constitutional Court. She demands parliament to break the law. In the name of democracy of course.

Now let's wait to see who will be the first to ask a commission or court to rule on the legality of her remarks.

[Arkady]

Funny that red shirts originally didn't want an amnesty because they didn't want amnesty for those responsible for killing red shirt rioters.

[Misterwhisper]

I am becoming more and more convinced this Thida person is a nitwit. But then again, considering what "organisation" she heads, I am hardly surprised.

[OzMick]

Thaksin gained from the assassination of Sae Daeng on international tv. No way Thaksin had him slaughtered, Sae Daeng was a loyal man who was totally miffed about being constantly overlooked for promotion when he was Thailands only real Officer (his superiors where jus money men and golfers).

Who gave the order to murder a Thai citizen as it was no Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones. Abhisit would be the only one with authority but no one can see him giving this order, but his superiors may of. These amaat believe they can still do what they have been doing for 60 years.

" he was Thailands only real Officer......." This level of ego is typical of the man (and his boss) and which is symptomatic of mental illness.

[masaomi]

Not a single word on the dear leader in this article. I wonder what type of lives these people have outside of politics. Must be dam_n boring. Maybe in the new year the red and yellow shirt organisation should be boycotted by the thai media.

Just imagine that. Not a word about the dear leader nor the rabble that supports him and the dear family!

ha..ha..ha! You are sooooo bitchy with your comments! Funny one. I like it.

[NoshowJones]

But have AV orderd anybody to be murdered? I don´t think so.

Didn't look like Seh Daeng ran into that bullet

Didn't hear AV order him killed either.

And who actually gained from Seh Daeng being shot?

Who actually gained from any of the killings? Look to the motive and the perpetrator will be found.

No amnesty for any of the red shirts, they were responsible for the deaths, injuries and loss of livelihood of many people. Keep them in jail for years to come.

[Pimay1]

Who actually gained from any of the killings? Look to the motive and the perpetrator will be found.

No amnesty for any of the red shirts, they were responsible for the deaths, injuries and loss of livelihood of many people. Keep them in jail for years to come.

In any electronics company there is a policy called RCA (root cause analysis). This is the process to find the cause of a problem, failure of an electronic part. The RCA for the red mob burn Bangkok campaign is easy to define by following the money trail of who paid the mulitmillion Baht to fund the rebellion. I think we all know where the money came from without going through the normal RCA procedure.

Edited December 29, 2012 by Pimay1

[djjamie]

The red-shirt group called for the government to listen to the voice of the people rather than the voice of the aristocratic elite, she said.

The aristocratic elite made a judgement that PT had to listen to the voice of the people by holding a referendum. Oh Thida, you epitomize the red shirt movement with your blind refusal to look at facts and dodge and twist those very facts to suit your ends.

[Ricardo]

Thaksin gained from the assassination of Sae Daeng on international tv. No way Thaksin had him slaughtered,

<snip for brevity>

On the contrary, Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

[LuckyLew]

On Friday they give in petition to have Dem leaders charged

On Saturday the want amnesty for all red shirts

On Sunday they will ask that anyone who is in jail that has ever owned a red shirt be released

[Scott]

Thaksin gained from the assassination of Sae Daeng on international tv. No way Thaksin had him slaughtered,

<snip for brevity>

On the contrary, Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Although QED is a commonly used phrase, the rules do state to use English. Please keep that in mind when posting.

[Buchholz]

Didn't hear AV order him killed either.

And who actually gained from Seh Daeng being shot?

The Red Mob Leaders that Sae Daeng said thaksin had said he was removing

Right, by that logic the black shirts were working for the government.

No, it doesn't.

A week after this startling revelation, Sae Daeng suffered a head shot.

No new team of red shirts leaders : Nuttawut

BANGKOK: -- A red shirt leader on Monday dismissed as groundless a claim by an outspoken general that ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra appointed new team of red shirts leaders.

Nuttawut Saikua said Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdipol maybe misinformed or misunderstood that Thaksin was not happy with the existing red shirt leaders who Kattiya said were changing their position to a compromising one in their talks with Abhisit government.

"Seh Daeng's report is not correct. Maybe he is misinformed," Nuttawut said.

Kattiya claimed Monday that he talked to Thaksin on a phone on Sunday. "Thaksin said he would appoint of new team of the red shirts leaders."

The new team would exclude Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Dr weng Tohjirakarn and Nuttawut Saikua as they appeared to agree with Abhisit's roadmap and prefer to end the rally.

The group had several secret meeting with Abhisit's team, Kattiya said.

Nuttawut told reporters that even Thaksin has no authority to change the leaders' team.

Each of the new team claimed by Seh Daeng has not yet been contacted about the matter, Nuttawut said.

Kattiya quoted Thaksin as saying that those who did not want to fight on should go home.

The new team comprises Arisamun Pongruengrong, Suporn Attawong, Kwanchai Praipana, Waipot Apornrat.

-- The Nation 2010-05-10

Edited December 29, 2012 by Buchholz

[Rich teacher]

No new team of red shirts leaders : Nuttawut

BANGKOK: -- A red shirt leader on Monday dismissed as groundless a claim by an outspoken general that ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra appointed new team of red shirts leaders.

Nuttawut Saikua said Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdipol maybe misinformed or misunderstood that Thaksin was not happy with the existing red shirt leaders who Kattiya said were changing their position to a compromising one in their talks with Abhisit government.

"Seh Daeng's report is not correct. Maybe he is misinformed," Nuttawut said.

Kattiya claimed Monday that he talked to Thaksin on a phone on Sunday. "Thaksin said he would appoint of new team of the red shirts leaders."

The new team would exclude Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Dr weng Tohjirakarn and Nuttawut Saikua as they appeared to agree with Abhisit's roadmap and prefer to end the rally.

The group had several secret meeting with Abhisit's team, Kattiya said.

Nuttawut told reporters that even Thaksin has no authority to change the leaders' team.

Each of the new team claimed by Seh Daeng has not yet been contacted about the matter, Nuttawut said.

Kattiya quoted Thaksin as saying that those who did not want to fight on should go home.

The new team comprises Arisamun Pongruengrong, Suporn Attawong, Kwanchai Praipana, Waipot Apornrat.

-- The Nation 2010-05-10

But from what I have read on TV from you & the other regular red haters, TS was the 'big boss'. He funded the whole thing & called the shots. Therefore if this report is to be given any credence, why didn't the leadership change? Even if Seh Daeng was gone the others quoted could have done it & he could have simply paid another 'terrorist' to do the dirty work.

[rubl]

But from what I have read on TV from you & the other regular red haters, TS was the 'big boss'. He funded the whole thing & called the shots. Therefore if this report is to be given any credence, why didn't the leadership change? Even if Seh Daeng was gone the others quoted could have done it & he could have simply paid another 'terrorist' to do the dirty work.

That's a rhetorical question, I guess

Mind you the renegade general himself said 'Thaksin told me to take over' and 'Thaksin is the only one who can stop this'.

Now why this 'nothing bad about the dead'

[WhizBang]

So now they are ready to give AV and ST amnesti. R.Amsterdam what is your comment?

Not so sure about that, you need to read it again......She said the amnesty law proposed by the group would help protesters of all colours, not only the red shirts.

However, persons responsible for ordering the murder of people should not qualify for the amnesty, she said.

But have AV orderd anybody to be murdered? I don´t think so.

Didn't look like Seh Daeng ran into that bullet

I am pretty sure that the demise of Seh Daeng was ordered from Dubai.

[rubl]

Well the lack of precedent judgement and a mish mash of summary judgements suit those at the top just perfectly.

They have created a judicial system with the worst of all worlds, where money and position counts, and they will reap the whirlwind when it comes. At that point, they will no longer be able to blame the foreigner for all their problems, and then finally Thailand will grow up, or the country will break asunder.

The judicial system in Thailand is at the fundamental nub of the problem. It is essentially useless in judging legal and moral right and wrong.

I started with writing to agree with some, but thought better of it. The courts here (and implicitly the judges) are capable of judging legal right and wrong. The laws offer them sufficient leeway to make it look for non-Thai to be somewhat antiquated and maybe even odd. Still the efforts by some to put the judiciary under political control seems utterly incorrect and no assurance for more just application of the law. A lot of 'hanky-panky' seems to go on outside courts with judges just accepting that. When witnesses disappear or no longer remember what it was they might or might not have seen, what are the courts and/or judges supposed to do? Sentence witnesses to six months for 'contempt of court'?

Edited December 29, 2012 by rubl

[Thai at Heart]

Well the lack of precedent judgement and a mish mash of summary judgements suit those at the top just perfectly.

They have created a judicial system with the worst of all worlds, where money and position counts, and they will reap the whirlwind when it comes. At that point, they will no longer be able to blame the foreigner for all their problems, and then finally Thailand will grow up, or the country will break asunder.

The judicial system in Thailand is at the fundamental nub of the problem. It is essentially useless in judging legal and moral right and wrong.

I started with writing to agree with some, but thought better of it. The courts here (and implicitly the judges) are capable of judging legal right and wrong. The laws offer them sufficient leeway to make it look for non-Thai to be somewhat antiquated and maybe even odd. Still the efforts by some to put the judiciary under political control seems utterly incorrect and no assurance for more just application of the law. A lot of 'hanky-panky' seems to go on outside courts with judges just accepting that. When witnesses disappear or no longer remember what it was they might or might not have seen, what are the courts and/or judges supposed to do? Sentence witnesses to six months for 'contempt of court'?

I think we are all grown up enough to see that today the reds are untouchable and the the yellows will get it in the neck for a while. Jatuporn and others will get off scot free and sondhi and others will get it in the neck.

Police in kalasin murderers out on bail, dodgy coppers 50 years for emptying the cash box. It is a judicial mess, arbitrary and morally bankrupt. Send an SMS, 25 years, kill a policeman in a Ferrari drunk and drugs in your bloodstream, dead story.

This has created a massively unjust situation and it will inevitably go bang.

Today, tomorrow, or another time, these judgements are so wrong, it won't stand up.

[smedly]

does anyone think these threads are a waste of time - we have the educated neutral people posting reasonable points and common sense here then we have the pro thaksin paid scum that just keep posting the same uneducated &lt;deleted&gt; in every thread (we know who they are or actually - u are)

I honestly feel sorry for the good people of this country and how a few easily led idiots and a few hundred baht can steer the blind leading the blind into total stupidity - is there anyone in Thailand that can honestly lead these people out of repetitive destruction ?

[A Member]

Of course an amnesty law suits. Who can forget red shirts leaders in Bkk saying things like "when we go we will leave the city in flames' ? Faults on both sides to be fair but most definitely politics Thai style. The claim it will affect all colours is only valid depending on who the government of the day is.

[Roadman]

I am pretty sure that the demise of Seh Daeng was ordered from Dubai.

There is that option as he was opening his trap on international television implicating Thaksin as the shot caller on the whole terrrorist attack on Bangkok.

There is also another very viable one and that was he was a renegade Army officer attacking and killing Army personnel. I think the Army rightfully dealt to him.

[Roadman]

Well the lack of precedent judgement and a mish mash of summary judgements suit those at the top just perfectly.

They have created a judicial system with the worst of all worlds, where money and position counts, and they will reap the whirlwind when it comes. At that point, they will no longer be able to blame the foreigner for all their problems, and then finally Thailand will grow up, or the country will break asunder.

The judicial system in Thailand is at the fundamental nub of the problem. It is essentially useless in judging legal and moral right and wrong.

I started with writing to agree with some, but thought better of it. The courts here (and implicitly the judges) are capable of judging legal right and wrong. The laws offer them sufficient leeway to make it look for non-Thai to be somewhat antiquated and maybe even odd. Still the efforts by some to put the judiciary under political control seems utterly incorrect and no assurance for more just application of the law. A lot of 'hanky-panky' seems to go on outside courts with judges just accepting that. When witnesses disappear or no longer remember what it was they might or might not have seen, what are the courts and/or judges supposed to do? Sentence witnesses to six months for 'contempt of court'?

I think we are all grown up enough to see that today the reds are untouchable and the the yellows will get it in the neck for a while. Jatuporn and others will get off scot free and sondhi and others will get it in the neck.

Police in kalasin murderers out on bail, dodgy coppers 50 years for emptying the cash box. It is a judicial mess, arbitrary and morally bankrupt. Send an SMS, 25 years, kill a policeman in a Ferrari drunk and drugs in your bloodstream, dead story.

This has created a massively unjust situation and it will inevitably go bang.

Today, tomorrow, or another time, these judgements are so wrong, it won't stand up.

It is not just the judicary that is at fault. Most of thai society is morally corrupt, do not care or have no influence on change. For example the senior security guard / policeman (?) who was shot a few months ago by a large band of his colleagues as he was going to turn them in, was not an example of judical failure but a huge example of a society morally crippled.

The small % of thai's who do hold reasonable accepted standards of what in western countries would be called your basic family and everyday morals and values deserve better than the garbage that the elite and corrupt dish up. Sadly however that is not going to change for a long time to come, especially at the current rate that the latest corrupt scum are forcing their total control.

[OzMick]

No new team of red shirts leaders : Nuttawut

BANGKOK: -- A red shirt leader on Monday dismissed as groundless a claim by an outspoken general that ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra appointed new team of red shirts leaders.

Nuttawut Saikua said Maj Gen Kattiya Sawasdipol maybe misinformed or misunderstood that Thaksin was not happy with the existing red shirt leaders who Kattiya said were changing their position to a compromising one in their talks with Abhisit government.

"Seh Daeng's report is not correct. Maybe he is misinformed," Nuttawut said.

Kattiya claimed Monday that he talked to Thaksin on a phone on Sunday. "Thaksin said he would appoint of new team of the red shirts leaders."

The new team would exclude Veera Musikapong, Jatuporn Prompan, Dr weng Tohjirakarn and Nuttawut Saikua as they appeared to agree with Abhisit's roadmap and prefer to end the rally.

The group had several secret meeting with Abhisit's team, Kattiya said.

Nuttawut told reporters that even Thaksin has no authority to change the leaders' team.

Each of the new team claimed by Seh Daeng has not yet been contacted about the matter, Nuttawut said.

Kattiya quoted Thaksin as saying that those who did not want to fight on should go home.

The new team comprises Arisamun Pongruengrong, Suporn Attawong, Kwanchai Praipana, Waipot Apornrat.

-- The Nation 2010-05-10

But from what I have read on TV from you & the other regular red haters, TS was the 'big boss'. He funded the whole thing & called the shots. Therefore if this report is to be given any credence, why didn't the leadership change? Even if Seh Daeng was gone the others quoted could have done it & he could have simply paid another 'terrorist' to do the dirty work.

So Seh Daeng, was just a pathological liar, to go with his egomania and sociopath disorders. And yet, a great mate of Thaksin, and a much admired leader of the red shirts.

makes you wonder, doesn't it?