New Year Resolution - Time For Some Self Control

[jambco984]

I only had 4 normal size measures and soda water. Should be fine or have a little knock back at the most... I hope

100 calories a shot The soda is Ok though.

I have been struggling to eat a decent amount of calories on this diet so my 400cals on whisky was still within my apparent "normal" level. I feel full when i eat and for a good time after, 2 meals is ok for me and I have a protein shake if needed is this ok any advice greatly taken on board.

Cheers

[londoedan]

I only had 4 normal size measures and soda water. Should be fine or have a little knock back at the most... I hope

100 calories a shot The soda is Ok though.

I have been struggling to eat a decent amount of calories on this diet so my 400cals on whisky was still within my apparent "normal" level. I feel full when i eat and for a good time after, 2 meals is ok for me and I have a protein shake if needed is this ok any advice greatly taken on board.

Cheers

Well I can think of another couple of reasons to knock the drinking on the head - at least while your trying to lose weight:

Those 400 cals are 'empty' calories containing nothing other than carbohydrates. I would be tempted to remove them from your diet for a while and replace with a few medium-sized banana's, some green veg, few pieces of tofu, etc..

Drinking also has a psychological effect, for example if I have a few drinks, I'm much more likely to be walking home later on with a doner kebab or BK bag under my arm .

I wonder sometimes that if alcohol and smoking hadn't be discovered when they were, and some enterprising gentlemen brought either of these products to market tomorrow, then there would be no way alcohol and cigarettes would be allowed to be sold.

[robblok]

I only had 4 normal size measures and soda water. Should be fine or have a little knock back at the most... I hope

100 calories a shot The soda is Ok though.

I have been struggling to eat a decent amount of calories on this diet so my 400cals on whisky was still within my apparent "normal" level. I feel full when i eat and for a good time after, 2 meals is ok for me and I have a protein shake if needed is this ok any advice greatly taken on board.

Cheers

Well I can think of another couple of reasons to knock the drinking on the head - at least while your trying to lose weight:

Those 400 cals are 'empty' calories containing nothing other than carbohydrates. I would be tempted to remove them from your diet for a while and replace with a few medium-sized banana's, some green veg, few pieces of tofu, etc..

Drinking also has a psychological effect, for example if I have a few drinks, I'm much more likely to be walking home later on with a doner kebab or BK bag under my arm .

I wonder sometimes that if alcohol and smoking hadn't be discovered when they were, and some enterprising gentlemen brought either of these products to market tomorrow, then there would be no way alcohol and cigarettes would be allowed to be sold.

You are right, but i am al for freedom of choice even drugs, as long as you don't bother / harm others. Anyway this is all really OT.

But i agree that in general alcohol does not fit into a weight loss program, i concur about the diminished willpower after a few glasses. On the other hand it might fit in solely that if some people leave it out they are more liable to stop the weightloss program completely.

[jambco984]

I only had 4 normal size measures and soda water. Should be fine or have a little knock back at the most... I hope

100 calories a shot The soda is Ok though.

I have been struggling to eat a decent amount of calories on this diet so my 400cals on whisky was still within my apparent "normal" level. I feel full when i eat and for a good time after, 2 meals is ok for me and I have a protein shake if needed is this ok any advice greatly taken on board.

Cheers

Well I can think of another couple of reasons to knock the drinking on the head - at least while your trying to lose weight:

Those 400 cals are 'empty' calories containing nothing other than carbohydrates. I would be tempted to remove them from your diet for a while and replace with a few medium-sized banana's, some green veg, few pieces of tofu, etc..

Drinking also has a psychological effect, for example if I have a few drinks, I'm much more likely to be walking home later on with a doner kebab or BK bag under my arm .

I wonder sometimes that if alcohol and smoking hadn't be discovered when they were, and some enterprising gentlemen brought either of these products to market tomorrow, then there would be no way alcohol and cigarettes would be allowed to be sold.

I dont drink everyday far from it, this is going to be my little treat once a week at home and in the sticks so no kebabs or bk wrappers for me but i get what you mean its easy to slip, at 4 glasses it should be fine and its a reward for a week of being good.

[poanoi]

If you are low on willpower like me,

it does help to make a goal & a bet against someone.

[londoedan]

If you are low on willpower like me,

it does help to make a goal & a bet against someone.

I think you're right in one respect - losing weight, getting fit, cutting back on alcohol are all related to ones (lack of) will-power.

Plus I believe you need to want to make these changes their your own sake.

[robblok]

If you are low on willpower like me,

it does help to make a goal & a bet against someone.

I think you're right in one respect - losing weight, getting fit, cutting back on alcohol are all related to ones (lack of) will-power.

Plus I believe you need to want to make these changes their your own sake.

Yes you have to be convinced its good for you and that you want to loose the weight. Not do it for someone else.

[SlyAnimal]

My rowing machine finally arrived this morning

My gf, who picked it up while I was at work, was a tad peeved about it's delivery though. She gave the company we brought it from a card from the bus company we wanted them to use, aswell as her phone number etc, since of the 2x companies which travel to our town from BKK, we actually know some of the staff from this one so could get them to keep an eye out for it for us. They used another company instead though, which dropped off my rowing machine at 3am on the street, then just drove off. Not the street outside my house, the street outside 7/11. They didn't call or anything, just dropped it off, it was lucky that my gf even found it, as where it was joe bloggs could have picked it up and carried it away (provided they had a ute of course, as it was in a pretty big box lol). So I'm lucky that I didn't spend 58k THB so that joe bloggs could have a rowing machine lol.

/endrant.

But anywho, assembled it this afternoon after work. I had a brief session on it, just 1km, so that I can slowly adjust my body to it. I figure I'll do 1500m tomorrow, then 2000m the next session and so on, until I'm upto around 5km, plateau for a while to build up my pace a little, then start moving upto 10km rowing sessions (I anticipate a 5km row being around 20-30mins, and a 10km row being around 40-60mins). With each session roughly every other day (I want to run, or maybe swim, on the days in between).

When I came back from my English Camp + Bangkok I was around 2kg heavier than when I left (A week of McDs, Junkfood, limited exercise and sleep depravation have all left their mark lol). First day back I did a 4.4km run, dropped back down by around 1kg, but got some quite bad chafing which made me decide to not run for a few days until it's better. So have only been going down around 0.1-0.2kg each day since then. I should be back to exercising fully again next week, and so should start shedding pounds again

[robblok]

I can understand your gf being peeved, that is bad service indeed. You are right on the money about the times it all depends on how hard you row. I row on MAF style 180- age and keep my heart rate on or below that. I do 5000 meters in around 22 minutes and 10.000 in around 46-47 minutes. I could do it faster if i forgot about the heart-rate. But by keeping it there i make sure i am not sending myself into over-training. Because i have other workout to do.

Anyway you will see the rower is a great tool to have to keep in shape and loose some weight. You can loose weight without exercise but studies have shown that you keep it off better if you exercise.

[londoedan]

When I came back from my English Camp + Bangkok I was around 2kg heavier than when I left (A week of McDs, Junkfood, limited exercise and sleep depravation have all left their mark lol). First day back I did a 4.4km run, dropped back down by around 1kg, but got some quite bad chafing which made me decide to not run for a few days until it's better. So have only been going down around 0.1-0.2kg each day since then. I should be back to exercising fully again next week, and so should start shedding pounds again

Chafing is a bitch - but I've found it dies away after the first week or so, plus your thighs get smaller, which helps.

The next ailments to look forward to are hammer toe and very sore nipples. I've switched from 'normal' t-shirts to proper light running vests and that helps the nipple problem - just have to live with the toenails turning black and dropping off on my 2nd toe on each foot I'm afraid

[londoedan]

I can understand your gf being peeved, that is bad service indeed. You are right on the money about the times it all depends on how hard you row. I row on MAF style 180- age and keep my heart rate on or below that. I do 5000 meters in around 22 minutes and 10.000 in around 46-47 minutes. I could do it faster if i forgot about the heart-rate. But by keeping it there i make sure i am not sending myself into over-training. Because i have other workout to do.

Anyway you will see the rower is a great tool to have to keep in shape and loose some weight. You can loose weight without exercise but studies have shown that you keep it off better if you exercise.

Interesting, re the HRM. I've previously used one and have a Polar with me at the moment but have stopped using it for a few weeks. I found I got a bit obsessed with the various levels and have quite enjoyed running without it: particulalry pushing the speed towards the end of a session when the HRM would probably indicate I should slow down a bit i.e. 220 - age is 170 and I can certainly get close to 165 - 170 towards the end of a run, when I tend to wind the speed up a bit.

Maybe HRM's are more useful when you get into more structured or multisport training regimes, than early-on in a losing-weight campaign ?

[robblok]

HRM's are useful when you are getting further with training. At the start i don't think they are useful. I only use it so it might avoid over-training its nicer to row without but i will go faster and heavier then. That is not always a good thing for me as i workout 6-7 days a week. That is if you count the rowing sessions too. That is a lot and almost a recipe for over-training. That is where the heartrate monitors come for me.

[SlyAnimal]

I brought a blood sugar monitor today, ill test tomorrow morning so I can get a "fasting" blood sugar count. Although tonight, about 2h after finishing eating MK for dinner, I got a reading of 104. Seems like I'm in an ok range based on a chart I saw online, but ill get a better idea after I do a fasting test tomorrow morning

[londoedan]

I managed 50 km running again last week - all on the treadmill, split over 6 sessions this time.

Decided to take a day off today, which means that running yesterday am and tomorrow evening I should have a nice break - for the last couple of days I've felt like I've been overdoing it - not in the legs but more a general, washed-out, lethargic feeling.

Weight loss is still slow but I'm still hopeful I can get in the 36 in trs, comfortably, by the end of this week. Getting in the 34's by the end of March might be a tough call though

[robblok]

I managed 50 km running again last week - all on the treadmill, split over 6 sessions this time.

Decided to take a day off today, which means that running yesterday am and tomorrow evening I should have a nice break - for the last couple of days I've felt like I've been overdoing it - not in the legs but more a general, washed-out, lethargic feeling.

Weight loss is still slow but I'm still hopeful I can get in the 36 in trs, comfortably, by the end of this week. Getting in the 34's by the end of March might be a tough call though

It is good to to take a rest once in a while, the body needs that. I often forget about it, i actually gained a bit of weight. Hopefully muscle (could be as im working out hard) Could also be some water im holding or something, abs look the same if not leaner. So i am not too worried. But its always a bit disturbing to see the scales go up. I haven't been pigging out or anything eating wise but did change a few things and added more proteins.

In the end if its fat i can loose it again if its muscle its a nice addition, that is the whole problem you never know what the weight loss or weight gain is caused by. Loosing or gaining muscle (usually a slow process unless on illigal substance), differences in water balance and such or just plain fat differences.

Sometimes weight loss goes slow, sometimes fast it can be frustrating that is for sure, just keep on going londoedan, but in the end i think its not just exercise its also your diet.Burning fat off is a good thing but much harder as changing a few things in your diet.

[SlyAnimal]

I just did my fasting blood sugar test, came back as 104 mg/DL.

I assume that being a fasting test, it doesn't matter what I did/ate yesterday, but yesterday I went for a 5.5km run before lunch, then had 2x reasonably large meals (no junkfood/softdrink etc, just isaan food lunch + MK dinner, finished dinner around 7pm).

This test, at 8:47am this morning, is the same result as my test last night (9:59pm), with nothing, other than a little water, consumed in between. I would have thought that it would have gone down overnight, as my body processed more sugar from my blood.

From something I was reading online, this is at the lower range for pre-diabetic / impaired fasting glucose? (The range said 100 or less was "normal").

Tropo/Robblok/Others, is there anything which you can potentially read into from that?

[londoedan]

I just did my fasting blood sugar test, came back as 104 mg/DL.

I assume that being a fasting test, it doesn't matter what I did/ate yesterday, but yesterday I went for a 5.5km run before lunch, then had 2x reasonably large meals (no junkfood/softdrink etc, just isaan food lunch + MK dinner, finished dinner around 7pm).

This test, at 8:47am this morning, is the same result as my test last night (9:59pm), with nothing, other than a little water, consumed in between. I would have thought that it would have gone down overnight, as my body processed more sugar from my blood.

From something I was reading online, this is at the lower range for pre-diabetic / impaired fasting glucose? (The range said 100 or less was "normal").

Tropo/Robblok/Others, is there anything which you can potentially read into from that?

No dis-respect to some of the other posters here but I'd discuss your results with a medical professional if I were you. I tend to get blood tests at least once a year for work / visa reasons, and I usually try and discuss the findings with an MD - eg last year my BP was a touch high, not worth treating with drugs but the physician recommended I try and lose some weight, and up my exercise levels, cut down on salt on foods etc.. I'm going to repeat the tests in a couple of months at PIH and see if I've improved

BTW whats an MK dinner ?

[SlyAnimal]

lol, I ment MK for dinner (e.g. MK restaurant).

And regarding asking my doctor, even if I was in NZ, I'd ask for advice from people who have personal experience etc, or do my own research, before going to see a doctor (Since I'd hate to waste time/money). As I see going to a doctor as something you do when you can't find the answers elsewhere.

However, being in Thailand, not NZ, it's unfortunate but.... I simply trust the advice of a random English speaking guy on the internet, who seems to be reasonably knowledgeable about the topic from personal experience, more than what I would in a Thai doctor who can't speak English. Particularly as I'll then use that advice as a guide towards further research for myself on the internet.

Of course though, if there was an English speaking doctor nearby, who had experience with diabetes (I don't think it's as common in Thailand as in western countries) and it's effect on weight loss and fitness, then I'd probably be interested in checking them out, if I could see that I was starting to get to a serious condition of course.

[robblok]

You can find loads of information on the internet and that is good information. On this Tropo does know a lot more then me. I am getting 90-95 in the mornings and 100 after a meal (just tested today and yesterday)

Id say your a bit high and for weight loss then it would mean to go low carb as you might be insulin resistant.

Thing is many times you can find much better info on the Internet then from a Dr unless they are specialised in it. But even then it helps if you know what your talking about and ask the right questions.

[londoedan]

lol, I ment MK for dinner (e.g. MK restaurant).

And regarding asking my doctor, even if I was in NZ, I'd ask for advice from people who have personal experience etc, or do my own research, before going to see a doctor (Since I'd hate to waste time/money). As I see going to a doctor as something you do when you can't find the answers elsewhere.

However, being in Thailand, not NZ, it's unfortunate but.... I simply trust the advice of a random English speaking guy on the internet, who seems to be reasonably knowledgeable about the topic from personal experience, more than what I would in a Thai doctor who can't speak English. Particularly as I'll then use that advice as a guide towards further research for myself on the internet.

Of course though, if there was an English speaking doctor nearby, who had experience with diabetes (I don't think it's as common in Thailand as in western countries) and it's effect on weight loss and fitness, then I'd probably be interested in checking them out, if I could see that I was starting to get to a serious condition of course.

Well OK, as they say here, and often : up to you !

Maybe down-under things are different, but certainly in the UK, an MD receives something like 6 years of fairly intensive University-level training, plus time in hospitals / at clinics etc before being let loose on the general public. I imagine an Endocrinologist would also undergo some training in their specialisation.

If it was me - I'd be right down the doc's for some qualifed advice - but we'll all different so good luck with your blood monitoring

[robblok]

lol, I ment MK for dinner (e.g. MK restaurant).

And regarding asking my doctor, even if I was in NZ, I'd ask for advice from people who have personal experience etc, or do my own research, before going to see a doctor (Since I'd hate to waste time/money). As I see going to a doctor as something you do when you can't find the answers elsewhere.

However, being in Thailand, not NZ, it's unfortunate but.... I simply trust the advice of a random English speaking guy on the internet, who seems to be reasonably knowledgeable about the topic from personal experience, more than what I would in a Thai doctor who can't speak English. Particularly as I'll then use that advice as a guide towards further research for myself on the internet.

Of course though, if there was an English speaking doctor nearby, who had experience with diabetes (I don't think it's as common in Thailand as in western countries) and it's effect on weight loss and fitness, then I'd probably be interested in checking them out, if I could see that I was starting to get to a serious condition of course.

Well OK, as they say here, and often : up to you !

Maybe down-under things are different, but certainly in the UK, an MD receives something like 6 years of fairly intensive University-level training, plus time in hospitals / at clinics etc before being let loose on the general public. I imagine an Endocrinologist would also undergo some training in their specialisation.

If it was me - I'd be right down the doc's for some qualifed advice - but we'll all different so good luck with your blood monitoring

Not to change your views, but im an accountant and i can admit that some "normal" people know more then me about certain tax aspects because they have specialised in it. Just like the medical profession its real wide and you cant know it all or specialise in it all. So its quite easy to have a "normal" guy to know more then you in certain area's. Same goes for Dr's and there is a lot to find about diabetic stuff. Many dr do know it general but are not specialised in it. you seem to think that Drs are infallible they are not.

But i do agree if we are talking complicated medial stuff but this is not that complicated and it is fairly well documented.

[londoedan]

lol, I ment MK for dinner (e.g. MK restaurant).

And regarding asking my doctor, even if I was in NZ, I'd ask for advice from people who have personal experience etc, or do my own research, before going to see a doctor (Since I'd hate to waste time/money). As I see going to a doctor as something you do when you can't find the answers elsewhere.

However, being in Thailand, not NZ, it's unfortunate but.... I simply trust the advice of a random English speaking guy on the internet, who seems to be reasonably knowledgeable about the topic from personal experience, more than what I would in a Thai doctor who can't speak English. Particularly as I'll then use that advice as a guide towards further research for myself on the internet.

Of course though, if there was an English speaking doctor nearby, who had experience with diabetes (I don't think it's as common in Thailand as in western countries) and it's effect on weight loss and fitness, then I'd probably be interested in checking them out, if I could see that I was starting to get to a serious condition of course.

Well OK, as they say here, and often : up to you !

Maybe down-under things are different, but certainly in the UK, an MD receives something like 6 years of fairly intensive University-level training, plus time in hospitals / at clinics etc before being let loose on the general public. I imagine an Endocrinologist would also undergo some training in their specialisation.

If it was me - I'd be right down the doc's for some qualifed advice - but we'll all different so good luck with your blood monitoring

Not to change your views, but im an accountant and i can admit that some "normal" people know more then me about certain tax aspects because they have specialised in it. Just like the medical profession its real wide and you cant know it all or specialise in it all. So its quite easy to have a "normal" guy to know more then you in certain area's. Same goes for Dr's and there is a lot to find about diabetic stuff. Many dr do know it general but are not specialised in it. you seem to think that Drs are infallible they are not.

But i do agree if we are talking complicated medial stuff but this is not that complicated and it is fairly well documented.

Never said they were infallible, but give me a person who has several years of formal medical training, that has passed a myriad of exams and practical assesments, is professionally registered and practises medicine for a living, than a geezer that has spent a few hours surfing the net !

[robblok]

lol, I ment MK for dinner (e.g. MK restaurant).

And regarding asking my doctor, even if I was in NZ, I'd ask for advice from people who have personal experience etc, or do my own research, before going to see a doctor (Since I'd hate to waste time/money). As I see going to a doctor as something you do when you can't find the answers elsewhere.

However, being in Thailand, not NZ, it's unfortunate but.... I simply trust the advice of a random English speaking guy on the internet, who seems to be reasonably knowledgeable about the topic from personal experience, more than what I would in a Thai doctor who can't speak English. Particularly as I'll then use that advice as a guide towards further research for myself on the internet.

Of course though, if there was an English speaking doctor nearby, who had experience with diabetes (I don't think it's as common in Thailand as in western countries) and it's effect on weight loss and fitness, then I'd probably be interested in checking them out, if I could see that I was starting to get to a serious condition of course.

Well OK, as they say here, and often : up to you !

Maybe down-under things are different, but certainly in the UK, an MD receives something like 6 years of fairly intensive University-level training, plus time in hospitals / at clinics etc before being let loose on the general public. I imagine an Endocrinologist would also undergo some training in their specialisation.

If it was me - I'd be right down the doc's for some qualifed advice - but we'll all different so good luck with your blood monitoring

Not to change your views, but im an accountant and i can admit that some "normal" people know more then me about certain tax aspects because they have specialised in it. Just like the medical profession its real wide and you cant know it all or specialise in it all. So its quite easy to have a "normal" guy to know more then you in certain area's. Same goes for Dr's and there is a lot to find about diabetic stuff. Many dr do know it general but are not specialised in it. you seem to think that Drs are infallible they are not.

But i do agree if we are talking complicated medial stuff but this is not that complicated and it is fairly well documented.

Never said they were infallible, but give me a person who has several years of formal medical training, that has passed a myriad of exams and practical assesments, is professionally registered and practises medicine for a living, than a geezer that has spent a few hours surfing the net !

I agree, but how many hours does that person with the medical training actually study about diabtic ? That is the question you should ask plus did that Dr keep informed about the last and newest studies. Anyway, im not suggesting Dr's are worthless but just suggesting that on a subject like diabetic with so much good information out there from medical research and your much revered Dr's but in this case those that have specialised in this problem its not hard to do some self study and rise above the knowledge of the average Dr.

I would rather have a Dr specialised in heart surgery give me advice through the Internet or through his website then see a real dr who has never dealt with the problem just in his books. I think its a matter of perspective, and of course personal choice.

Anyway we are talking here about interpretation of test values, that is not hard at all and all the data is out there. How much do you know about this subject to say a Dr would give better information ? Do you really think that if you check your tires and see how much profile it has a garage would give you better advice as for instance a website that has government information on how much profile is safe ? Some things are just easy to do yourself.. others not.

[SlyAnimal]

Anywho, I'd prefer to not get too off topic with a debate regarding the merits of doctors advice vs private advice/research. I'll just wait for Tropo's 2c as he's got a lot of experience. I'll also look online as well for more information, as what Tropo says will probably give me some guidelines on what to search for.

From what I gather, my blood sugar is a little bit high, and it's probably a good thing that I am making the effort to lose some weight now, even though it's probably not something which would cause problems for another 5-10 years (At which point, much of the damage done would probably be irreversible). So I think I mainly just need finding some ways of decreasing my blood sugar levels, without impacting on my lifestyle too much (Since if I changed my lifestyle too much, it'd be harder to stick to)

[robblok]

Anywho, I'd prefer to not get too off topic with a debate regarding the merits of doctors advice vs private advice/research. I'll just wait for Tropo's 2c as he's got a lot of experience. I'll also look online as well for more information, as what Tropo says will probably give me some guidelines on what to search for.

From what I gather, my blood sugar is a little bit high, and it's probably a good thing that I am making the effort to lose some weight now, even though it's probably not something which would cause problems for another 5-10 years (At which point, much of the damage done would probably be irreversible). So I think I mainly just need finding some ways of decreasing my blood sugar levels, without impacting on my lifestyle too much (Since if I changed my lifestyle too much, it'd be harder to stick to)

I agree here, i was in the same situation and brought it down a bit. Better do it now then later in life.

[tropo]

I just did my fasting blood sugar test, came back as 104 mg/DL.

I assume that being a fasting test, it doesn't matter what I did/ate yesterday, but yesterday I went for a 5.5km run before lunch, then had 2x reasonably large meals (no junkfood/softdrink etc, just isaan food lunch + MK dinner, finished dinner around 7pm).

This test, at 8:47am this morning, is the same result as my test last night (9:59pm), with nothing, other than a little water, consumed in between. I would have thought that it would have gone down overnight, as my body processed more sugar from my blood.

From something I was reading online, this is at the lower range for pre-diabetic / impaired fasting glucose? (The range said 100 or less was "normal").

Tropo/Robblok/Others, is there anything which you can potentially read into from that?

It shows you have (minor) insulin resistance, but nothing to be alarmed over.

I would suggest you get a lab FBS done. A few weeks ago my meter showed 96 and the lab result was 83. You can't read too much into one result as these meters are known to be inaccurate by up to 15% or so.

Take some morning readings over the next few days and post them up. Your number after the MK meal was excellent.

Edited January 27, 2013 by tropo

[tropo]

I just did my fasting blood sugar test, came back as 104 mg/DL.

I assume that being a fasting test, it doesn't matter what I did/ate yesterday, but yesterday I went for a 5.5km run before lunch, then had 2x reasonably large meals (no junkfood/softdrink etc, just isaan food lunch + MK dinner, finished dinner around 7pm).

This test, at 8:47am this morning, is the same result as my test last night (9:59pm), with nothing, other than a little water, consumed in between. I would have thought that it would have gone down overnight, as my body processed more sugar from my blood.

From something I was reading online, this is at the lower range for pre-diabetic / impaired fasting glucose? (The range said 100 or less was "normal").

Tropo/Robblok/Others, is there anything which you can potentially read into from that?

No dis-respect to some of the other posters here but I'd discuss your results with a medical professional if I were you. I tend to get blood tests at least once a year for work / visa reasons, and I usually try and discuss the findings with an MD - eg last year my BP was a touch high, not worth treating with drugs but the physician recommended I try and lose some weight, and up my exercise levels, cut down on salt on foods etc.. I'm going to repeat the tests in a couple of months at PIH and see if I've improved

BTW whats an MK dinner ?

His results are so low that any MD will just say he's perfectly normal (I'm specifically referring to blood sugar readings here),.

MD's are looking for OK. We're looking for optimal.

Go and waste you money if you wish.

I have never discussed my blood sugar numbers with an MD and never will.

[londoedan]

Go and waste you money if you wish.

Thanks - I'll do that .

[tropo]

Never said they were infallible, but give me a person who has several years of formal medical training, that has passed a myriad of exams and practical assesments, is professionally registered and practises medicine for a living, than a geezer that has spent a few hours surfing the net !

... but you were specifically referring to "experts" on this forum. I'm no "geezer" who has spend a few hours surfing the net. I have been testing myself for 8 years and studying it for that long. My first FBS was 255 mg/dl, now I'm normal as far as testing will show....

I've done what doctors don't believe is possible ----- "cured" myself of diabetes.

I haven't really cured myself but all lab tests will show that. To find this "cure" you need to adjust your lifestyle.

[tropo]

Go and waste you money if you wish.

Thanks - I'll do that .

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Diabetes is one disease where people who learn about it do better than people who go to see doctors. People who self study usually end up doing what they need to do to "cure" themselves. People who are lazy and rely on doctor's advice more often than not end up on diabetic medication.

I've seen posts on here by diabetics (of many years with bad numbers) who rely on doctors who don't have the slightest clue how to interpret basic numbers. It's shameful. It's sad. It's wrong.

Good luck! You're going to need it. It's your money to waste.

P.S. The doctor who first tested me (he didn't notice the result as he was focused on liver and kidney numbers - I had to ask him "don't you think my blood sugar is a bit high") was diabetic and I saw him down at the supermarket with a trolley full of chocolate.

Edited January 27, 2013 by tropo