Abhisit Stripped Of Military Record

[khunken]

There's an awful lot of waste disposal being touted by some of the usual PTP/Thaksin acolytes. Note that the thread is about Abhisit's military service, not his supposed responsibility for the riots in 2010.

In this case we have a MOD 'committee', hand picked & set up by a PTP minister who delivered a guilty verdict. The word 'kangaroo' comes to mind. No evidence has been produced, Abhisit was not given any chance to legally defend himself.

This is the sort of 'justice' we have come to expect from any government that Thaksin has his dirty fingers involved in. The whole charade makes a mockery of both the so-called 'reconciliation' we are fed, and any sliver of democracy.

[AleG]

Huh? In this case, Mr. abhisit used a forged document to obtain his commission. He was caught and lost his commission.

simple as that.

Can you show us the results of the official inquiry which found that Abhisit forged the documents?

Read the MoD report. It was a lawful review, of which Abhisit was unable to offer a plausible explanation for the forgery. Mr. Abhisit got off lightly.

So Abhisit was found guilty and punished by a committee set up by Thaksin's cousin, you honestly don't see anything objectionable about that?

[TommoPhysicist]

So Abhisit was found guilty and punished by a committee set up by Thaksin's cousin, you honestly don't see anything objectionable about that?

Not when the 'victim' rolls over and makes no protest of innocence.

[gl555]

Huh? In this case, Mr. abhisit used a forged document to obtain his commission. He was caught and lost his commission.

simple as that.

Can you show us the results of the official inquiry which found that Abhisit forged the documents?

Read the MoD report. It was a lawful review, of which Abhisit was unable to offer a plausible explanation for the forgery. Mr. Abhisit got off lightly.

So Abhisit was found guilty and punished by a committee set up by Thaksin's cousin, you honestly don't see anything objectionable about that?

It's the red apologist, Geriatrickid, of course he doesn't!

[whybother]

So Abhisit was found guilty and punished by a committee set up by Thaksin's cousin, you honestly don't see anything objectionable about that?

Not when the 'victim' rolls over and makes no protest of innocence.

He has denied it a number of times.

[culicine]

So is the defence department now going to pursue all other politicians who similarly used forged documents or some how illegally go out of military service? Singling out democrats IS going to come back and bit PT / Thaksin on the ass if they are not careful. Tarit better watch out too. When this government acts impartially then I MAY start to accept it...and yes I can have an opinion on the subject as these loons are affecting the country of my son and wife.

[Skywalker69]

Does the big brother still holds his police rank?

Thee man you refer to did not forge his enlistment documents. Unlike Mr. Abhisit, he volunteered for his service.

No but he vas given his rank back, even if he is a convicted criminal.

[metisdead]

More off topic posts and replies have been removed as well as comments on moderation. This topic is not about the murder charges against Abhsist, it is Abhisit being Stripped of his Military Record, stay on topic.

[rubl]

So Abhisit was found guilty and punished by a committee set up by Thaksin's cousin, you honestly don't see anything objectionable about that?

Not when the 'victim' rolls over and makes no protest of innocence.

It's a while ago, I must admit that. 13th of November, 2011 to be precise

"Abhisit Lodges Lawsuit Against Thai Defence Minister Sukampol"

[rubl]

When did the PTP ? this was a decision taken by an impartial military committee, just like the AEC and it's secretary Atibhodi were acting on their own against Thaksin see how that works.

Just when I start thinking finally we can start having discussions where people acknowledge wrong doing on both sides you come up with this.

Further to my earlier response to this, the AEC investigated Thaksin. The Supreme court found him guilty.

In the case of Abhisit, a PTP appointed committee have found that Abhisit used forged document and stripped him of his military record. No court involved.

I believe he had the documents forged.

I also believe Thaksin was corrupt.

Court and Committee aside .......

Does anyone believe he didn't do it?

I surely hope that it doesn't matter one iota what anyone believes.

The MoD committee was clear in condemnation, but not in details. The Minister of Defence Sukampol approved the recommendation to strip k. Abhisit of rank, implicitly approving the committees ruling. Again no further details. Transparency in name only, but not in deeds.

[Moruya]

If he ever gets to power again I bet a few officials will be looking out from desks in remotest Issan on the middle of a rice field with no airconditioning.

Doubt the army would use his services again.

And he certainly will never win an election.

According to you and the other red underpants brigadiers he works cap in hand with the army. So which is it?

[Sing_Sling]

I love it . . now for Thaksin and the rest of these poseurs

[rubl]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Mind you, following this thought through a bit, one may wonder in how far k. Abhisit could have been PM and if not in how far all his orders and actions as PM are voided automatically including 'possible murder'. Now that will surely upsett my source of inspiration Robert A. c.s.

Edited January 3, 2013 by rubl

[whybother]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

[rubl]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

Not sure, but just before the censure debate House Speaker Somsak said

"he would wait to see whether under the charter provisions Abhisit's dismissal would have an impact on his seat in the House of Representatives before deciding the next move."

[khunken]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

No but you never know what these oh so impartial committees will come up with next.

[TommoPhysicist]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

No but you never know what these oh so impartial committees will come up with next.

Depends if he lied on the application form for being an MP.

Normally lying on an application form is considered cause for summary termination of employment.

Edited January 3, 2013 by TommoPhysicist

[MunterHunter]

Depends if he lied on the application form for being an MP.

Normally lying on an application form is considered cause for summary termination of employment.

I look forward to the rest of the House's credentials being scrutinized... shall we start with the leader of the PTP and the current PM? After all, they started with the head of the Democrat party and former PM.

[whybother]

Depends if he lied on the application form for being an MP.

Normally lying on an application form is considered cause for summary termination of employment.

At the moment, all they have decided is that the documents were forged. They would need to prove that he knew about it to prove that he lied on the application form.

[Baerboxer]

Does the big brother still holds his police rank?

Thee man you refer to did not forge his enlistment documents. Unlike Mr. Abhisit, he volunteered for his service.

And jumped bail to avoid going to prison after being convicted by a court. Grounds for dismissal in most police forces I would think.

[Baerboxer]

Depends if he lied on the application form for being an MP.

Normally lying on an application form is considered cause for summary termination of employment.

At the moment, all they have decided is that the documents were forged. They would need to prove that he knew about it to prove that he lied on the application form.

Good point - probably just "an honest mistake or little white lie".

[Baerboxer]

What court would accept a murder charge against someone that wasn't actually there at the time and didn't give a specific order to kill people. Can you supply one precedent.

The charge is wrong pure and simple.

The UK opted out of the EU war crimes court because they were worried Thatcher and Blair would have been at risk.

It's a political trumped up charge - the same as medieval European kings used to do to get rid of or pressure their enemies. The UK recognises the stupidity often eminating from EU courts. Hopefully the Thai judicial system will treat these charges with the contempt they deserve.

[rubl]

Does the big brother still holds his police rank?

Thee man you refer to did not forge his enlistment documents. Unlike Mr. Abhisit, he volunteered for his service.

And jumped bail to avoid going to prison after being convicted by a court. Grounds for dismissal in most police forces I would think.

K. Thaksin didn't jump bail "after" being convicted, but "before". He and his then-wife got permission to go to Beijing for the Olympics and promised to come back afterwards. That's where he reneged on his solemn word. The court could finish the trial as it already had processed so far (or since k. Thaksin had been present to hear charges).

Edited January 3, 2013 by rubl

[rubl]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

No but you never know what these oh so impartial committees will come up with next.

A quick look at the 2007 Constitution shows that article 102 item 6 which is valid for candidates and elected MPs might be the finer point of law to be clarified by the Constitutional Court.

"(6) having been expelled, dismissed, or removed from the official service, a State Agency, or a State Enterprise on the ground of dishonest performance of duties or corruption;"

[khunken]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

No but you never know what these oh so impartial committees will come up with next.

Depends if he lied on the application form for being an MP.

Normally lying on an application form is considered cause for summary termination of employment.

Lied about what? when he filled in his application form he had nothing wrong with his military service. The whole facade is an attempt (among others) to get him off the anti-whitewash bandwagon.

[ratcatcher]

The next step in the reconciliation effort seems to be to ask the Constitutional Court if k. Abhisit can legally be an MP with his military rank stripped and records cleared as if never having served. Nothing personal of course, no one's out for revenge.

Is having a military rank a requirement for being an MP?

No but you never know what these oh so impartial committees will come up with next.

A quick look at the 2007 Constitution shows that article 102 item 6 which is valid for candidates and elected MPs might be the finer point of law to be clarified by the Constitutional Court.

"(6) having been expelled, dismissed, or removed from the official service, a State Agency, or a State Enterprise on the ground of dishonest performance of duties or corruption;"

"or corruption"

that should be interesting.

[khunken]

Right on cue, the other newspaper is reporting that former senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana has asked the Election Commission to quickly consider whether former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has lost his qualification to be an MP.

The 'quickly' bit means that Abhisit should not be able to defend himself in a proper court of law.

[rubl]

Right on cue, the other newspaper is reporting that former senator Ruangkrai Leekijwattana has asked the Election Commission to quickly consider whether former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva has lost his qualification to be an MP.

The 'quickly' bit means that Abhisit should not be able to defend himself in a proper court of law.

When k. Abhisit was still PM lifting a finger in parliament would mean Pheu Thai would ask committees to investigate and courts to judge whether

- k. Abhist had the right to lift a finger

- if it was the correct finger

- if it was lifted in the proper, perscribed way

He'll manage

Edited January 3, 2013 by rubl

[OzMick]

Does the big brother still holds his police rank?

Thee man you refer to did not forge his enlistment documents. Unlike Mr. Abhisit, he volunteered for his service.

Volunteer? He applied for a job, married the boss' daughter, and used his family connections to corruptly obtain a contract to supply computers for the police. Your definition of a hero, not mine.

[Ricardo]

Perhaps two fingers might be more appropriate, waved in a Westerly-direction, in view of his British-education and continuing anti-whitewash stance ?