Bullying Red Shirt Tenants Beat Elderly Landlord

[LaoPo]

That's making it political instead a terrible beating by some low thugs and you expect excuses from a political party/movement?

You know better than that.

It's your personal view upon the red shirts in general, grabbing every single article in some low standard newspaper to attack and describe about how terrible red shirts are.

You are continiously generalizing dozens of millions of people who support the red shirt movement whether they are nice or not; correct or not; in the government or not.

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Personally, I think that the vast majority of red shirts are decent hard working people the same as the yellow shirts.

Dozens of millions of red shirts? On what do you base this claim?

oh stop being so pedantic.

I'm pedantic, you're a stickler for accuracy, he's an exaggerator.

Maybe you're right if you would like to qualify me as an exaggerator since I wrote "dozens of millions of people who support the red shirt movement.."

But, at least 24 million (2 dozen), would that be acceptable, considering that with the last elections PM Yinluck Chinnawat's party won with a landslide whilst "only" some 65% of the voters turned up with around 16 million votes for the Pheu Thai Party?

Of course, there is always a major silent group who doesn't vote but still support the Pheu Thai Party.

I wonder, how should we call you since you already used so many descriptions for other posters, including myself, that it's hard to find one; I DO know a few but that would not qualify as a "good sport"

There's enough misery on this forum already and I don;t want to spoil anybody's day.

[ozziebloke]

khunken

So red-shirt or red-shirt pretender intimidation & violence is ok then? All you're doing is shooting the messenger & if you have a different version, let's see it.

You misunderstand the meaning of xenophobia, which is hatred of foreigners or aliens. There is no hatred of Thais in general - just thugs, whether red-shirts or those using their methods.

I understand the meaning very well "Xenophobia is a dislike or fear of people from other countries or of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Some definitions suggest xenophobia as arising from irrationality or unreason"

Show me where I stated violence ok ? I said there is no facts showing that they are "aligned with any political party, Are employed by any politition, Have any standing at all with anyone that would be in government or political society other than a headline and a second grade story from a second grade newspaper!

OK so you understand what xenophobia is then. However, you don't say how it is supposed to apply to this article.

Didn't say you supported violence - I just asked the question. What you refuse to do is condemn red-shirt violence which this article directly states. We don't know whether the thugs are real red-shirts or just copying their intimidation - whichever way it is, red-shirt methods were being used. That is what I asked and you avoided the question.

We don't have any contrary information to the article. I don't accept much of what is portrayed in all media but I can see that there is some truth in the report. Red-shirt supporters can't accept the truth & love to post their propaganda. That is far less credible than the report in this thread.

I don't support violence of any kind weather it is REd,Yelow,Pink,Blue what ever colour you like. I said there is no proof that this violance was committed by any political supporter other than a headline from a second grade newspaper!

[Moruya]

That's making it political instead a terrible beating by some low thugs and you expect excuses from a political party/movement?

You know better than that.

It's your personal view upon the red shirts in general, grabbing every single article in some low standard newspaper to attack and describe about how terrible red shirts are.

You are continiously generalizing dozens of millions of people who support the red shirt movement whether they are nice or not; correct or not; in the government or not.

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Personally, I think that the vast majority of red shirts are decent hard working people the same as the yellow shirts.

Dozens of millions of red shirts? On what do you base this claim?

oh stop being so pedantic.

That's rich coming from you

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Red or not it's despicable.

However, fights amongst Thais are as common as muck, I'll give you two guesses why the very yellow leaning TV and PDN put this one on the front page.

The severe beating on an old man who is trying to follow the law should NOT be front page news?

[AleG]

Maybe you're right if you would like to qualify me as an exaggerator since I wrote "dozens of millions of people who support the red shirt movement.."

But, at least 24 million (2 dozen), would that be acceptable, considering that with the last elections PM Yinluck Chinnawat's party won with a landslide whilst "only" some 65% of the voters turned up with around 16 million votes for the Pheu Thai Party?

Of course, there is always a major silent group who doesn't vote but still support the Pheu Thai Party.

I wonder, how should we call you since you already used so many descriptions for other posters, including myself, that it's hard to find one; I DO know a few but that would not qualify as a "good sport"

There's enough misery on this forum already and I don;t want to spoil anybody's day.

The only statistic I saw of people identifying themselves as Red Shirts gave a number between 1 and 1.5 million as far as I remember.

As for the argument that Red Shirts are a peaceful group, that argument has been dead since crowds of thousands of Red Shirts cheered at the prospect of burning down Bangkok.

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khunken

So red-shirt or red-shirt pretender intimidation & violence is ok then? All you're doing is shooting the messenger & if you have a different version, let's see it.

You misunderstand the meaning of xenophobia, which is hatred of foreigners or aliens. There is no hatred of Thais in general - just thugs, whether red-shirts or those using their methods.

I understand the meaning very well "Xenophobia is a dislike or fear of people from other countries or of that which is perceived to be foreign or strange. Some definitions suggest xenophobia as arising from irrationality or unreason"

Show me where I stated violence ok ? I said there is no facts showing that they are "aligned with any political party, Are employed by any politition, Have any standing at all with anyone that would be in government or political society other than a headline and a second grade story from a second grade newspaper!

OK so you understand what xenophobia is then. However, you don't say how it is supposed to apply to this article.

Didn't say you supported violence - I just asked the question. What you refuse to do is condemn red-shirt violence which this article directly states. We don't know whether the thugs are real red-shirts or just copying their intimidation - whichever way it is, red-shirt methods were being used. That is what I asked and you avoided the question.

We don't have any contrary information to the article. I don't accept much of what is portrayed in all media but I can see that there is some truth in the report. Red-shirt supporters can't accept the truth & love to post their propaganda. That is far less credible than the report in this thread.

I don't support violence of any kind weather it is REd,Yelow,Pink,Blue what ever colour you like. I said there is no proof that this violance was committed by any political supporter other than a headline from a second grade newspaper!

The old lady said she was told they were red people, she therefore trusted them. Not proof of anything but not to be ignored either.

[Thait Spot]

The old lady said she was told they were red people, she therefore trusted them. Not proof of anything but not to be ignored either.

I don't see any of the esteemed red shirt leaders denying it

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[rixalex]

Can't understand why you guys get so upset about things you have absolutely no power over.

Do you have power over cancer, traffic jams, corruption, natural disasters, paedophiles... or do none of those things upset you?

So, how upset are you over the current political party in power, upset enough to leave Thailand in protest, enough to join a demonstration ?

Firstly, i asked you a question. You ignored it and threw back another question... for some reason about the current political party. What does this thread have to do with them? And can you answer my question before throwing back your own?

[ozziebloke]

The old lady said she was told they were red people, she therefore trusted them. Not proof of anything but not to be ignored either.

I don't see any of the esteemed red shirt leaders denying it

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Deny what ?

[rixalex]

I don't give a frig either way, but you come across as obsessed, considering you are as Thai as my carpet, i find such strong feelings strange, unless you go the gasoline route that is, then I will actually believe you really cared and were not just blowing hot air.

You seem to give a lot of a frig about other people expressing an opinion... perhaps that is your obsession.. people on the internet who have an opinion on a topic you arbitrarily think they shouldn't...

Over the past week i have had strong feelings on a variety of subjects. At the beginning of the week i had strong feelings about a footballer that was one second on the ground in complete agony like his leg had been sawn off, and then the next second up on his feet arguing. About middle of the week i had strong feelings on True Visions new magazine which for some unbeknown reason has programming for a four hour window in the day. At the end of the week, i had strong feelings here about red shirt apologists sniffling and moaning about unfair it is to generalise about the red shirts based on the violent actions of a few, when as i have pointed out, numerous times, if members of a group, any group, do something illegal / violent / stupid, and that group they belong to and commit those acts under, does not condemn their actions and throw them out of that group, well then they can't very well complain about the whole group being tarnished.

I'm sorry if me having strong feelings on certain subjects bothers you, but i can't for one second imagine how exactly or why exactly, it should in any way detrimentally affect your life, or why it would compel you to come on here and make judgements about me. If you don't share my strong feelings on those subjects, fine, i'm not forcing you to or even trying to persuade you one way or the other. You are free to have no feelings whatsoever. You are not however free to tell me how i should feel. Please don't.

[Banzai99]

Over the past week i have had strong feelings on a variety of subjects. At the beginning of the week i had strong feelings about a footballer that was one second on the ground in complete agony like his leg had been sawn off, and then the next second up on his feet arguing.

Was he wearing a Red shirt too ?

[Buchholz]

Let's see if the Red Shirt Leaders condemn these low character Red Shirts. Let's see if they are denounced and removed from the organization.

Historically, that has yet to occur with the many previous violent incidents carried out by Red Shirts.

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You sounds like the "quality" newpaper who wrote the tenditious article, describing a bunch of thugs as "Red shirts" as if beating a man has anyything to do with politics.

You make the same mistake and it's the same as if a (democratic or republican) thug in America who beat up people would be excused by the Democratic- or Republican Party.

I don't think that ever happened in any country in the world so don't make it political, when it's not.

It's how they are identified. Red shirts.

That's making it political instead a terrible beating by some low thugs and you expect excuses from a political party/movement?

I don't expect excuses from the political movement as they have ample people here attempting to excuse their actions.

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[rixalex]

Over the past week i have had strong feelings on a variety of subjects. At the beginning of the week i had strong feelings about a footballer that was one second on the ground in complete agony like his leg had been sawn off, and then the next second up on his feet arguing.

Was he wearing a Red shirt too ?

No, so no need for anyone to leap to his defence.

[Buchholz]

That's making it political instead a terrible beating by some low thugs and you expect excuses from a political party/movement?

You know better than that.

It's your personal view upon the red shirts in general, grabbing every single article in some low standard newspaper to attack and describe about how terrible red shirts are.

You are continiously generalizing dozens of millions of people who support the red shirt movement whether they are nice or not; correct or not; in the government or not.

.

Personally, I think that the vast majority of red shirts are decent hard working people the same as the yellow shirts.

Dozens of millions of red shirts? On what do you base this claim?

Perhaps from red shirt leader kwanchai's claim that 20 million red shirts would escort thaksin back into Thailand from Laos .

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Over the past week i have had strong feelings on a variety of subjects. At the beginning of the week i had strong feelings about a footballer that was one second on the ground in complete agony like his leg had been sawn off, and then the next second up on his feet arguing.

Was he wearing a Red shirt too ?

Hey banzai99, why don't you post something which has a logical specific point to make?

[Thait Spot]

The old lady said she was told they were red people, she therefore trusted them. Not proof of anything but not to be ignored either.

I don't see any of the esteemed red shirt leaders denying it

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Deny what ?

That these were red shirts

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[ozziebloke]

I don't give a frig either way, but you come across as obsessed, considering you are as Thai as my carpet, i find such strong feelings strange, unless you go the gasoline route that is, then I will actually believe you really cared and were not just blowing hot air.

You seem to give a lot of a frig about other people expressing an opinion... perhaps that is your obsession.. people on the internet who have an opinion on a topic you arbitrarily think they shouldn't...

Over the past week i have had strong feelings on a variety of subjects. At the beginning of the week i had strong feelings about a footballer that was one second on the ground in complete agony like his leg had been sawn off, and then the next second up on his feet arguing. About middle of the week i had strong feelings on True Visions new magazine which for some unbeknown reason has programming for a four hour window in the day. At the end of the week, i had strong feelings here about red shirt apologists sniffling and moaning about unfair it is to generalise about the red shirts based on the violent actions of a few, when as i have pointed out, numerous times, if members of a group, any group, do something illegal / violent / stupid, and that group they belong to and commit those acts under, does not condemn their actions and throw them out of that group, well then they can't very well complain about the whole group being tarnished.

I'm sorry if me having strong feelings on certain subjects bothers you, but i can't for one second imagine how exactly or why exactly, it should in any way detrimentally affect your life, or why it would compel you to come on here and make judgements about me. If you don't share my strong feelings on those subjects, fine, i'm not forcing you to or even trying to persuade you one way or the other. You are free to have no feelings whatsoever. You are not however free to tell me how i should feel. Please don't.

i had strong feelings here about red shirt apologists sniffling and moaning about unfair it is to generalise about the red shirts based on the violent actions of a few, when as i have pointed out, numerous times, if members of a group, any group, do something illegal / violent / stupid, and that group they belong to and commit those acts under, does not condemn their actions and throw them out of that group, well then they can't very well complain about the whole group being tarnished.

I have made comment about posters calling for the red shirts to condem this action. But I am not a Red Shirt supporter I'm of no support for any political persuasion. Why should the Red Shirt party have to say anything as yet as there is still no proof that these thugs actually are members of any political group? So far it has just been a headline and a biased story

[ozziebloke]

The old lady said she was told they were red people, she therefore trusted them. Not proof of anything but not to be ignored either.

I don't see any of the esteemed red shirt leaders denying it

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Deny what ?

That these were red shirts

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Maybe the esteemed Red Shirt leeders no nothing of this news article! How many people actually read PDN?

[yoshiwara]

I don't give a frig either way, but you come across as obsessed, considering you are as Thai as my carpet, i find such strong feelings strange, unless you go the gasoline route that is, then I will actually believe you really cared and were not just blowing hot air.

You seem to give a lot of a frig about other people expressing an opinion... perhaps that is your obsession.. people on the internet who have an opinion on a topic you arbitrarily think they shouldn't...

Over the past week i have had strong feelings on a variety of subjects. At the beginning of the week i had strong feelings about a footballer that was one second on the ground in complete agony like his leg had been sawn off, and then the next second up on his feet arguing. About middle of the week i had strong feelings on True Visions new magazine which for some unbeknown reason has programming for a four hour window in the day. At the end of the week, i had strong feelings here about red shirt apologists sniffling and moaning about unfair it is to generalise about the red shirts based on the violent actions of a few, when as i have pointed out, numerous times, if members of a group, any group, do something illegal / violent / stupid, and that group they belong to and commit those acts under, does not condemn their actions and throw them out of that group, well then they can't very well complain about the whole group being tarnished.

I'm sorry if me having strong feelings on certain subjects bothers you, but i can't for one second imagine how exactly or why exactly, it should in any way detrimentally affect your life, or why it would compel you to come on here and make judgements about me. If you don't share my strong feelings on those subjects, fine, i'm not forcing you to or even trying to persuade you one way or the other. You are free to have no feelings whatsoever. You are not however free to tell me how i should feel. Please don't.

i had strong feelings here about red shirt apologists sniffling and moaning about unfair it is to generalise about the red shirts based on the violent actions of a few, when as i have pointed out, numerous times, if members of a group, any group, do something illegal / violent / stupid, and that group they belong to and commit those acts under, does not condemn their actions and throw them out of that group, well then they can't very well complain about the whole group being tarnished.

I have made comment about posters calling for the red shirts to condem this action. But I am not a Red Shirt supporter I'm of no support for any political persuasion. Why should the Red Shirt party have to say anything as yet as there is still no proof that these thugs actually are members of any political group? So far it has just been a headline and a biased story

Welcome back the 'I Am Not A Red Shirt Supporter But...' forum team.

[geriatrickid]

I find it interesting that the "facts" state in this story have yet to be corroborated. Nor have the identities of the assailants been established. All that we have right now is hearsay. And yet, many have passed judgement.

Make no mistake, I do not support or otherwise condone the alleged acts, assuming they occurred. I don't care if UDD officials or not, If responsible then by all means they deserve a legal smack down. However, civilized people do not convict people of violent crimes without the establishment of the actual facts and without a thorough investigation. I find it interesting that there is a rush to judgement without verification of the facts. I just hope ome of you when accused of a violent crime are not treated the same way.

[Buchholz]

Why should the Red Shirt party have to say anything as yet as there is still no proof that these thugs actually are members of any political group?

If they cared about their public relations, it's reasonably expected that with such a negative occurrence carried out by purported members of their movement (not a party), that they would quickly counter that they are not red shirts if, in fact, they were not red shirts.

They've done so previously with other incidents that besmirched their good name by calling them "fake red shirts".

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[ozziebloke]

Welcome back the 'I Am Not A Red Shirt Supporter But...' forum team.

Do I have to actually support a particular party to be able to make comment on this forum or this topic?

[ozziebloke]

Why should the Red Shirt party have to say anything as yet as there is still no proof that these thugs actually are members of any political group?

If they cared about their public relations, it's reasonably expected that with such a negative occurrence carried out by purported members of their movement (not a party), that they would quickly counter that they are not red shirts if, in fact, they were not red shirts.

They've done so previously with other incidents that besmirched their good name by calling them "fake red shirts".

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I can agree with you up to a point, Because as of today, 2 days after the story and 3 days after the alledged incident there are no reports of arrests, Further investigations or anything

[rixalex]

Welcome back the 'I Am Not A Red Shirt Supporter But...' forum team.

Do I have to actually support a particular party to be able to make comment on this forum or this topic?

Nope you don't, but nor do you have to be honest about whether you do.

[rixalex]

Why should the Red Shirt party have to say anything as yet as there is still no proof that these thugs actually are members of any political group?

If they cared about their public relations, it's reasonably expected that with such a negative occurrence carried out by purported members of their movement (not a party), that they would quickly counter that they are not red shirts if, in fact, they were not red shirts.

They've done so previously with other incidents that besmirched their good name by calling them "fake red shirts".

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I can agree with you up to a point, Because as of today, 2 days after the story and 3 days after the alledged incident there are no reports of arrests, Further investigations or anything

Well there you have it then. Thai police are known to be fast and efficient so if nothing has happened after 48hrs, probably all just made up.

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The old lady said she was told they were red people, she therefore trusted them. Not proof of anything but not to be ignored either.

I don't see any of the esteemed red shirt leaders denying it Sent from my Nexus 7 using Thaivisa Connect App

Deny what ?

Read it again, it's obvious?

[ozziebloke]

Welcome back the 'I Am Not A Red Shirt Supporter But...' forum team.

Do I have to actually support a particular party to be able to make comment on this forum or this topic?

Nope you don't, but nor do you have to be honest about whether you do.

And what reason do I have to lie ? lame comment

Well there you have it then. Thai police are known to be fast and efficient so if nothing has happened after 48hrs, probably all just made up.

This is still all hearsay from an articall from a second rate newspaper with no corroboration of any of the story

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This is still all hearsay from an articall from a second rate newspaper with no corroboration of any of the story

In this case, the victims are the corroboration, I should think that's enough.

[rixalex]

And what reason do I have to lie ? lame comment

What reason does anyone have to lie on here? People can, people do. Bit naive to think otherwise. Not saying that you are, just saying that a couple of hundred posts relaying a person's experiences in flying a jumbo jet tends to support belief that they have actually flown a jumbo jet a little more than one post saying, "i can fly a jumbo jet".

[ozziebloke]

And what reason do I have to lie ? lame comment

What reason does anyone have to lie on here? People can, people do. Bit naive to think otherwise. Not saying that you are, just saying that a couple of hundred posts relaying a person's experiences in flying a jumbo jet tends to support belief that they have actually flown a jumbo jet a little more than one post saying, "i can fly a jumbo jet".

I don't know how to fly a jumbo jet