There's Only One Answer To The Issue Of Infidelity: Thai Editorial

[Mosha]

Does Thailand have an overwhelming majority of women? If not statistics will tell us there is a large number of chicken chokers, or that Thai women are also having multiple heterosexual relationships.

That Thai society chooses to ignore this and cling to the "faithful little woman" fantasy is reflected in the language. A male who has multiple partners is a butterfly, or in extreme cases, a helicopter. A woman who has multiple partners is a slut.

Some of those "women" aren't women.

[noitom]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Is there any thing you like about the Thai's?

You certainly have nothing good to say about them.

I have plenty to say about them and what they are good at. They are great, the best in the world at running a sex tourism trade and business. They are very effective at spooking foreign embassies to speak out on their manipulative behavior on issues impacting foreign deaths and safety as well as smoking the embassies on voicing any consternation on corruption, bribery and breaking law with impunity. Thais seem to be the masters of the universe at these two things at least and I have said so often. I am in awe of their ability to run a massive sex trade operation and then consistently deny the existence of it.

[ccarbaugh]

In Thai School a few years ago,

I asked the teacher what "nymphomaniac"

was in Thai. After some explanation, she

arrived at the translation "sex-jot." She asked,

"What do you call a man that is a "nymphomaniac?"

A fellow classmate chuckled and said,

"That's just a normal man."

After living in the "Land of Smiles," for some

period of time, I became convinced that all

Thais simply know that "farangs are rich,"

and that entrapping one of them is akin to

hitting the lottery jackpot. Therefore, farangs

are almost exclusively relegated to the fringes

of Thai female society - i.e. gold-diggers, bargirls

and lonely, tired, divorced single-mothers.

It is still "unacceptable" for a good Thai girl to

associate in anyway with a farang- or even to

look at them and smile on the skytrain!

[Tchooptip]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Is there any thing you like about the Thai's?

You certainly have nothing good to say about them.

I have plenty to say about them and what they are good at. They are great, the best in the world at running a sex tourism trade and business. They are very effective at spooking foreign embassies to speak out on their manipulative behavior on issues impacting foreign deaths and safety as well as smoking the embassies on voicing any consternation on corruption, bribery and breaking law with impunity. Thais seem to be the masters of the universe at these two things at least and I have said so often. I am in awe of their ability to run a massive sex trade operation and then consistently deny the existence of it.

Do you take something for your heartburn? On the other hand If your acid reflux are so frequent you should see a doctor

[AdamRich]

now you farangs can start to understand the widespread corruption in thailand, one might be to support all those mia nois

No problem. All my giks know I am Cheap Charlie so they have another man as their main source. They know to come to me for only sanook and not support. Today one of them told me that she had met a guy more Cheap Charlie than me. I told her no way; take that back!

[Ticketmaster]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

You must live in Pattaya. When you put ALL Thais into the pigeon hole you construct, then you only show your ignorance of the Thai culture as a whole -- though you may well accurately describe the microcosm of Pattaya The people you describe exist and plenty of them, but all Thais are not that way. And the people you describe flourish is every culture, because it is the human condition. The fact that the deceit is so visible here, if anything, is more honest.

[hellodolly]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Is there any thing you like about the Thai's?

You certainly have nothing good to say about them.

I have plenty to say about them and what they are good at. They are great, the best in the world at running a sex tourism trade and business. They are very effective at spooking foreign embassies to speak out on their manipulative behavior on issues impacting foreign deaths and safety as well as smoking the embassies on voicing any consternation on corruption, bribery and breaking law with impunity. Thais seem to be the masters of the universe at these two things at least and I have said so often. I am in awe of their ability to run a massive sex trade operation d then consistently deny the existence of it.

In other words you have nothing good to say about them and are here because you had no other place to go. Or you secretly like that

"they are the best in the world at running a sex tourism trade and business."

your words not mine as I have done no research on it I will have to leave it to your expertise.

but it does strike me as you are making a moral judgement on 66,000,000 people. You must have done a lot of research

[chiangmaikelly]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Is there any thing you like about the Thai's?

You certainly have nothing good to say about them.

I have plenty to say about them and what they are good at. They are great, the best in the world at running a sex tourism trade and business. They are very effective at spooking foreign embassies to speak out on their manipulative behavior on issues impacting foreign deaths and safety as well as smoking the embassies on voicing any consternation on corruption, bribery and breaking law with impunity. Thais seem to be the masters of the universe at these two things at least and I have said so often. I am in awe of their ability to run a massive sex trade operation d then consistently deny the existence of it.

In other words you have nothing good to say about them and are here because you had no other place to go. Or you secretly like that

"they are the best in the world at running a sex tourism trade and business."

your words not mine as I have done no research on it I will have to leave it to your expertise.

but it does strike me as you are making a moral judgement on 66,000,000 people. You must have done a lot of research

I've done a lot of research on it and I'm impressed. When first got here there were many countries in the running for the hub of sex tourism including, Hong Kong, Taiwan and Saigon; but Thailand won and no mean feat it was.

[mca]

BTW a wise, old taxi driver once told me that if you have a problem with your wife and mia noi, it's time for number three.

Obviously not that wise rubi mate as he's a taxi driver and not CEO of Siam City Cement.

[Lucie]

I am married to a Thai man. In recent years he has slowly stopped going out with his old schoolfriends. There's just one left that he regularly sees - we visit each other's houses and they sometimes go out at night. When I asked why they no longer go out with the group, he replied that all of the others have minor wives, sometimes more than one, and also end every lads' night out in a brothel. So he and his one faithful friend feel alienated from the group.

A few years ago this was not the case. The group was close-knit, were all getting married, starting families, and just starting to move up the career ladder. Then they all found that, firstly, they could afford minor wives and, secondly, their wives were not quite as young, slim, pretty, horny or eager-to-please as they used to be.

It seems to me that to a majority of Thai men, having a minor wife, or not, is simply a matter of being able to afford one, or not.

Any married couple will tell you that a marriage changes after time, and after kids. But the the majority of Thai men don't change. They can't be bothered to try to find out what might get their wives in the mood, and head elsewhere instead. (If you think I'm tarring them all with the same brush, please note the first sentence of this comment again. I have a good one, as do a couple of my friends. But I have spoken to so many women with the same story to tell - he wants a nubile young plaything for sex, not a busy, tired mother / housewife / full-time worker.)

On the other hand, Thai women seem to have had distrust of men instilled in them since childhood - they probably saw older male relatives being unfaithful, and their mothers probably made sure that they always carry a large helping of suspicion with them. This is a mixed blessing. They are alert to it, not blind. BUT some women are paranoid about it, seeing lies everywhere, and creating a bad atmosphere in what could be a good marriage. I have recently spoken to a good Thai friend who has a wonderful husband, and told her to trust her instincts with him, rather than to carry on suspecting something with every phone conversation with a female colleague, with every smile at female strangers.

What's the answer? I honestly don't know. Being a foreigner, it's easy for me to say that my society is better, and Thai people should learn from it. But of course it's not that simple. The infidelity problem is imbedded in the wider culture, where let's face it, women still have less right to do as they want. If, for example, I ask an adulterous Thai man "How would you feel if she cheated on you?" his reply would undoubtedly be "angry, hurt" etc. But if I point out that she feels exactly the same about his infidelity, he wouldn't really believe me, because in his eyes, women have less rights and less right to have and express feelings.

What's the answer? Perhaps time is the answer. My husband, after all, is a good, faithful man, and so my son is learning that from him. Perhaps the answer is globalisation, and the mixing pot of ideas and cultures, though we all know that Thailand is fiercely proud and resistant to their "cultural" erosion. Perhaps the answer is genetics. According to some scientists, men will be extinct at some point in the distant future, so perhaps while the numbers dwindle we will see new ways of organising families and society.

Sorry, I've answered an essay with an essay...

Edited January 14, 2013 by Lucie

[Osiris]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Not to be contrary, but I fail to see how it can be both a decent society and have a culture of lying, cheating, scamming. Not to mention

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Not to be contrary, but I fail to see how it can be both a decent society and have a culture of lying, cheating, scamming. Not to mention the deceitful media, which has no reason to change their programming. The way I see it is the problem with this place is that it is unregulated, and the beauty of this place is that it is unregulated. Frustrations not withstanding!

[chiangmaikelly]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Not to be contrary, but I fail to see how it can be both a decent society and have a culture of lying, cheating, scamming. Not to mention

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Not to be contrary, but I fail to see how it can be both a decent society and have a culture of lying, cheating, scamming. Not to mention the deceitful media, which has no reason to change their programming. The way I see it is the problem with this place is that it is unregulated, and the beauty of this place is that it is unregulated. Frustrations not withstanding!

It does not have a culture of lying, cheating and scamming. You think it does. Big difference. Ask some Thai people. Corruption yes but not lying, cheating and scamming. It is a semantic difference but until you understand Thais don't think it is a semantic difference you will have a hard time in Thailand.

[MAJIC]

Marjorie Proops would have gone crazy in Thailand!

I take it you didn't mean it this way?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/profile-marjorie-proops-marjes-mirror-image-britains-most-famous-agony-aunt-has-been-as-unhappy-as-her-readers-linda-grant-explores-a-pretence-that-deceived-millions-1476382.html

[Osiris]

Overall, it's a very deceitful society and culture in all aspects. Deceit and double dealing is part of Thai DNA. Deceit, corruption, and double dealing is a way of life here in Thailand. Everyone knows this. Why in the world would the newspaper write some tripe editorial pontificating about this subject in this outlandish context? Cheating on wives and cheating on husbands is merely a subset of the broken character of the Thai culture, where everything is for sale and has a price, and/or a rationale/justification.

Not to be contrary, but I fail to see how it can be both a decent society and have a culture of lying, cheating, scamming. Not to mention

Why even the newspapers and media are outright deceitful. Just look at the way a story written or an editorial expresses a view. Half truths, blatant omissions, overlooking and excusing away crimes, and not facing reality. Thais live in a duplicitous state of mind and write about in this newspaper and then they occasionally read it, the same old tripe. It is a culturally duplicitous society. They love it, they love themselves, and they self loathe themselves at the same time. They have surrendered their self esteem a long time ago, but their egos are immense in order to compensate for this very low bottom feeder state of mind and culture.

Not to be contrary, but I fail to see how it can be both a decent society and have a culture of lying, cheating, scamming. Not to mention the deceitful media, which has no reason to change their programming. The way I see it is the problem with this place is that it is unregulated, and the beauty of this place is that it is unregulated. Frustrations not withstanding!

It does not have a culture of lying, cheating and scamming. You think it does. Big difference. Ask some Thai people. Corruption yes but not lying, cheating and scamming. It is a semantic difference but until you understand Thais don't think it is a semantic difference you will have a hard time in Thailand.

Thais lack logic, semantic differences aside. The is a big difference in your financial statement if you get scammed.

I've learned to live in this culture but I'll never forget that my first week here in Thailand, a Thai tried to cheat me out of 6 figures. I think we are going to have different opinions. Semantics not withstanding!

[Bagwan]

Marjorie Proops would have gone crazy in Thailand!

I've always thought that she was born insane - her and that lard barrel Claire Rayner.

[freejack]

In Thai School a few years ago,

I asked the teacher what "nymphomaniac"

was in Thai. After some explanation, she

arrived at the translation "sex-jot." She asked,

"What do you call a man that is a "nymphomaniac?"

A fellow classmate chuckled and said,

"That's just a normal man."

After living in the "Land of Smiles," for some

period of time, I became convinced that all

Thais simply know that "farangs are rich,"

and that entrapping one of them is akin to

hitting the lottery jackpot. Therefore, farangs

are almost exclusively relegated to the fringes

of Thai female society - i.e. gold-diggers, bargirls

and lonely, tired, divorced single-mothers.

It is still "unacceptable" for a good Thai girl to

associate in anyway with a farang- or even to

look at them and smile on the skytrain!

When I met a divorced single-mother online, I felt treated as if I was rich. She asked me to buy her father a watch when I visited. Also, our first meal together there was paid by her, but then I was instructed that I had to payback and that meant buying a dinner for 15 of her friends. I didn't understand this until it was my time to pay the bill. If we traveled somewhere, I paid for gas in her friend's car.

Well, it wasn't all about money, but I just felt the two times I visited last year (2 weeks each time), that Thai people I met are a bit wasteful and don't know frugal. They thought nothing of spending money.

The Thai lady has big money problems (2 x annual income), but still went out and bought an iPhone. Oh well.

I'm wary of any long term relationship with someone far away, particularly if they are from a poor region of a country like Thailand and spend money like no tomorrow. I have heard, that when you don't have a lot of money or don't make a lot, you tend to spend it all.

Edited May 30, 2013 by freejack

[twominutesbuddy]

i wonder how many posting here on the 'thai' condition are divorced as a result of infidelity.

[IrishIvan]

I've got no problem with supporting 2 mia nois. And I am sure that they cheat on me, but my main lady doesnt cheat on me I make sure of that

[noitom]

Two timing husbands and wives is a fact of life and a civil adult decision. As long as it's not a security breach, a cut off a sliced loaf is never missed. The laugh is the omission and denial of rampant prostitution in Thailand and wives doing double duty as hookers and those doing it on the side or with common law husbands, a euphemism for pimps.

[animatic]

As long as their boys are raised as little princes and all is forgiven,

and they always pass in class, so face isn't lost,

and they are rarely reprimanded for bad behaviors then... they will continue to misbehave.

[GrantSmith]

You must have done a lot of research

I heard that there was an ABAC Poll out there that concluded the assumption

[bigbamboo]

A long time ago In England the bigamy laws were being discussed in the House of Lords and whether the punishment should be increased for those committing the offence.

However after much debate it was decided that having two mother in laws should be punishment enough.

[Thait Spot]

Does Thailand have an overwhelming majority of women? If not statistics will tell us there is a large number of chicken chokers, or that Thai women are also having multiple heterosexual relationships.

That Thai society chooses to ignore this and cling to the "faithful little woman" fantasy is reflected in the language. A male who has multiple partners is a butterfly, or in extreme cases, a helicopter. A woman who has multiple partners is a slut.

It appears that many men bat for the other side - that would shift the datum