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Bicycle On Nok Air To Udon Thani - Just Wheel It On Board Or Pack It In A Crate?


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Am thinking of travelling to Udon Thani in the next few days to bicycle along the Mekhong.

Was wondering if anyone on here had experience taking there bicycle on Nok Air boarding at Chiang Mai airport.

Have read conflicting stories on the net. A quick google shows Bicycle Thailand says :

Nok Air
  • Bicycle charged as 200 THB sports equipment fee. The weight of sports equipment items is not included in normal checked baggage.

  • Bicycle tires must be deflated and bicycle can be ‘rolled on’ to aircraft without packaging.

But then Richard Barrow says :

"So, it looks like there won’t be a charge for your bicycle but you might need to box it up first."

Didn't find any specific mention of bikes on Nok Air's web site.

Wonder where would be a good place to find 2 plastic crates for cheap in CM suitable to pack the bikes in. Might be a good idea to buy crates for the bikes especially if we can get one for not too much moola.

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Another alternative might be if we were sure that there was a good quality wrapping service in both CM and Udon Thani that would wrap the bikes well in lots of layers of cellophane as you see at some airports. Hmmm.

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probably best to put it in a cardboard bike box. Can get for free at many bike shops.

Unless you like getting a bent derailleur hanger etc.

or unbolt the derailleur and tape to the chain stay.

Yes, a free card board box from the bike shop sounds like a good plan. Thansks a lot for the quick response cobra.

Am guessing that "Bicycle tires must be deflated and bicycle can be ‘rolled on’ to aircraft without packaging." might not work well and that in fact the bike could easily be damaged.

Or does anyone know where to buy a good quality plastic crate that will last a while I wonder? I can see that that could be really handy to have, I could then strap the crates to my roof rack for longer car trips too.

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probably best to put it in a cardboard bike box. Can get for free at many bike shops.

Unless you like getting a bent derailleur hanger etc.

or unbolt the derailleur and tape to the chain stay.

Yes, a free card board box from the bike shop sounds like a good plan. Thansks a lot for the quick response cobra.

Am guessing that "Bicycle tires must be deflated and bicycle can be ‘rolled on’ to aircraft without packaging." might not work well and that in fact the bike could easily be damaged.

Or does anyone know where to buy a good quality plastic crate that will last a while I wonder? I can see that that could be really handy to have, I could then strap the crates to my roof rack for longer car trips too.

Haven't a clue but if you put it a container you wont have to inflate the tires when you get there.

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Haven't a clue but if you put it a container you wont have to inflate the tires when you get there.

Really? I have no experience of putting a bike on a plane at all. Don't they tell you to deflate tires because otherwise they could be damaged because of the low pressure in the cargo hold??

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Not sure about the small Nok air planes CNX to Udon Thani. They are Brazil made twin props last I flew. The hold might be partially pressurized but why risk it.

Lower the pressure down to 10 PSI. Enough air to keep the rims from being damaged or causing a snake bit puncture.

The change is pressure is supposed to be less than 15 PSI at commercial flight altitudes. The Nok Air flight is much lower altitude. Can see houses and people from the window during the entire flight.

Please tell me your not going on a tour without a pump.... Just pump up when your ready to start riding.

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Haven't a clue but if you put it a container you wont have to inflate the tires when you get there.

Really? I have no experience of putting a bike on a plane at all. Don't they tell you to deflate tires because otherwise they could be damaged because of the low pressure in the cargo hold??

Yes, but I think that they are incorrect about that. Nominal atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14.7 psi. If the aircraft goes all the way the the moon the atmospheric pressure will never drop below 0 psi, hence your tire pressure should never increase by more than 14.7 psi. Unless your tires are inflated way beyond the manufacturers recommendation, adding 14.7 psi shouldn't cause a blowout while there is no one riding the bike. And if it did, all that would happen is that you'd need to replace the inner tube upon arrival.

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My girlfriend just visited Jacky Bikes where we bought our bikes and they say they will pack up the bikes for free for us and show us how to do it which is great because I have no idea what "or unbolt the derailleur and tape to the chain stay." means, I am a biking newbie. Will buy necessary tools, puncture kit and pump at the same time.

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And if it did, all that would happen is that you'd need to replace the inner tube upon arrival.

Am thinking I am going to need to take a pump anyway as suggested. Probably it is best to let down tires. Will ask at Jackie bikes. Since they will pack for free and provide packing materials I will pack up the bike.

I think I have come to a conclusion. But I still would be interested in experiences of taking a bike on that route or out of CM on Nok Air as possibly it is not necessary to pack the bike at all if they are really good with bikes.

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Haven't a clue but if you put it a container you wont have to inflate the tires when you get there.

Lowering tyre pressure is a cargo manifest requirement. There is a possibility a fully inflated tyre will explode at altitude.

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My girlfriend just visited Jacky Bikes where we bought our bikes and they say they will pack up the bikes for free for us and show us how to do it which is great because I have no idea what "or unbolt the derailleur and tape to the chain stay." means, I am a biking newbie. Will buy necessary tools, puncture kit and pump at the same time.

Get a good pump I had one that required a body builder to use.

AngelsLariat brought up some good points. If the tube and tire can't withstand 14.7 in vacuum there would be some thing wrong with it.

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And if it did, all that would happen is that you'd need to replace the inner tube upon arrival.

Am thinking I am going to need to take a pump anyway as suggested. Probably it is best to let down tires. Will ask at Jackie bikes. Since they will pack for free and provide packing materials I will pack up the bike.

I think I have come to a conclusion. But I still would be interested in experiences of taking a bike on that route or out of CM on Nok Air as possibly it is not necessary to pack the bike at all if they are really good with bikes.

Of course you have to take a pump.

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i brought mine over from the us

i detached the front tire and tied it to the frame in the back so it would protect the gears

inverted the pedals so they don't stick out

turned the handlebar 90' to be parallel with the frame

took two big pieces of card board and sandwiched the bike in them with duct tape

deflating the tires to 15 or 20# might be good but i didn't

i got the bike back here in good working order

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Haven't a clue but if you put it a container you wont have to inflate the tires when you get there.

Lowering tyre pressure is a cargo manifest requirement. There is a possibility a fully inflated tyre will explode at altitude.

"a fully inflated tyre will explode at altitude"

Whatever will the boffins at Al-Qaeda's Bicycle-Division think of next ? Bombs in cycling-shoes ? ph34r.png

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Here's my experience with Nok and that of friends, all specifically on the CNX - Udon Thani route:

I flew this route with 5 friends about 7 years ago. We all just rolled our bikes up to the counter. I don't remember but they may have been using a bigger aircraft then. Last year I asked at the Nok Air ticket counter at CNX about flying with my bike. They asked if my bike could fold and that if it can't they can't accept it because this is a small plane. I didn't pursue it further and made other plans. A friend bought a ticket a few months ago assuming the 200 baht fee on the website was good enough to get his bike on the plane. Then he called them to confirm. they gave him the same answer they gave me but since he already had his ticket and asked for a refund they offered to fly his bike to Udon Thani via Bangkok at the same 200 baht fee. He's flying that route again next month with 2 friends and all of them will have bikes. He called again and they made him the same offer and he accepted. Two other friends of mine flew to Udon Thani and back with their bikes in November for a race. They didn't know about any of these issues. Their bikes were accepted in both directions without any problems. They were charged 200 baht.

I have a professional traveling case for my bike that costs about 10,000 baht but only use it if I'm traveling in and out of the same airport on short trips. I'm sure something similar can be made here for much less. Cardboard boxes supplied by bike shops should work similarly well. The bubble wrap they use at the airport offers no protection at all. It only protects other people's baggage from getting dirty from your bike.

No matter how you pack your bike, airport personnel will open the packaging to check to make sure the tires were deflated. It has happened to me countless times. They won't take your word on it. That said, occasionally I've gotten away with it with tires pumped to 120 psi.. There is no chance your tires will explode. And even if it did explode the only consequence would be the noise. Does anyone really think they care about your tires and tubes?

I've flown with a bike on over 200 flights. My preferred method is to remove the pedals and roll it up to the counter. If I'm flying with others, we'll turn the handlebars. They won't let you do that on flights out of North America, where bikes always have to be boxed, but I've had no problem almost anywhere in Asia. I'd say that I've flown with an unboxed/unbagged/unwrapped bike over 100 times. I worry every time until I get to my destination and see that the bike got there perfectly OK (no worrying on the return) but I've never had any damage other than some minor cosmetic damage. Feel free to call me crazy or stupid but it works for me and I'm never flying with a cheap bike.

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Thanks a lot 'El Jefe'. That's really helpful to have info of some actual experiences of using this route. So what I think I can take away from this is that it is probably OK to not pack by bike if that is inconvenient but that whether they will accept the bike will really depend on the staff that day and is not a given.

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Thanks a lot 'El Jefe'. That's really helpful to have info of some actual experiences of using this route. So what I think I can take away from this is that it is probably OK to not pack by bike if that is inconvenient but that whether they will accept the bike will really depend on the staff that day and is not a given.

yeah, basically that's it. Just like the rest of Thailand, there is no definitive answer but it all works out in the end. Just one more reason to love it.

If you won't get upset that your new bikes might get scratched, there's little need to box them. Removing the pedals though will protect each bike from the other.

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Hey,

Thanks everyone for their input, especially El Jefe. In the end my bikes hitched a ride with a friend's pick up out to Chiang Khan, had a great trip down the Mekhong, then me and my gf got both our bikes onto the plane on the way back.

When flying out there, from CM, I asked at check in about taking a bike, although we had already sent our bikes off with our friend. The staff at the check in counter said that only folding bikes would be allowed because it is a small plane. On the way back my friend who was going to spend another week in Isaan before driving his pickup back was kind enough to wait to see if we could check in our bikes or not. And if not we planned to load them back on his pick up. The check in staff readily accepted the bikes. They did ask that we remove the front tire and we removed the pedals and let down the tires. Then they wrapped up the bikes themselves with paper and gaffer tape. Bikes arrived in great condition at the other end. It was not necessary to loosen the handle bars as the front wheel was detachable and once the front wheel was off then of course I could turn the handle bars and the forks to be in line with the rest of the frame. Only 200 B for the bike or other types of sports equipment, a bargain!

Jamie

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