webfact Posted January 29, 2013 Share Posted January 29, 2013 POLITICS Red shirts leave Chalerm red-faced Atapoom Ongkulna, Anapat Deechuay The Nation Deputy PM pressured over an amnesty for all 'political prisoners' BANGKOK: -- Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung found himself in an awkward situation yesterday when red-shirt protesters cornered and pressured him in front of the Government House to give a promise on a formal amnesty. Chalerm appeared confident when he jumped on the sound truck before some 1,000 red-shirt protesters - only to be red-faced soon after when the protesters refused to let him leave until he gave them a promise of amnesty for all red-shirt "political prisoners". The protesters led by Suda Rangkuphan, a lecturer at Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Arts, gathered at the Royal Plaza at 9.15am. They demanded the government grant an amnesty to all political prisoners through charter amendments as proposed by the Nitirat group of Thammasat University lecturers. The group later moved from the Royal Plaza to rally in front of Government House. They kept on shouting "29 January - Releasing political prisoners" and "Power to the people". They demanded that Cabinet send a representative to accept their demands for adding a chapter on an amnesty and on political reconciliation to the charter. When the atmosphere heated up, Chalerm left Government House to answer the demands. After he jumped on the sound truck, he tried to sound friendly with the protesters, saying he was on the same side as the red-shirts. He said the prime minister was busy with the Cabinet meeting so she had sent him to meet them. While Chalerm kept on boasting about his performance in stepping up legal cases against the previous government related to red-shirt crackdowns, he was interrupted by a red-shirt leader, Mainueng Kor Kunthee, who was also on the sound truck. Mainueng reminded Chalerm that red-shirts rallied yesterday because they would like to know the government's stand on political prisoners. Mainueng said Chalerm must pass on their demands to Cabinet - and it would have to inform the demonstrators of its decision by yesterday evening. Chalerm tried to please the protesters by telling Mainueng he should not call red-shirt detainees "political prisoners" because they had done nothing wrong. Mainueng argued that as the red-shirt detainees had done nothing wrong, why had the government not released them? The question appeared to put Chalerm in an awkward spot. He initially declined to promise that Cabinet would be able to make a decision about an amnesty informally and inform the protesters by that evening. Chalerm was allowed to leave only after he promised that Cabinet would send representatives to meet them at the Royal Plaza at 6pm to tell them of the Cabinet's decision. PM's deputy secretary-general Tawat Boonfueng went to the rally venue last night, took to the stage and said such a law could not be pushed and finished in one day but the government would work on it. January 29 group leader Suda Rangkuphan, who tried to calm the protesters, said on the stage that the group would allow the government to take action within the current parliamentary session, which will finish in April. Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra said she had assigned Chalerm to receive the proposal and gather versions of laws presented for the government to consider. Legal experts, especially the Council of State, would then look into the matter. Red-shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said yesterday Deputy Commerce Minister Natthawut Saikua, one of the red-shirt leaders, was assigned to cooperate with the government on the group's version of the amnesty law, which differs from that of Nitirat and the "29 January" Group. The Nitirat Group proposed an amnesty bill as part of a changes to the constitution. The amnesty would cover all "political prisoners" including those detained due to lese majeste cases, but would exclude state officials, while the red shirt-sponsored draft would be in the form of an executive decree. Leaders of the rallies and state officials would not get an amnesty. -- The Nation 2013-01-30 related Grassroots Red-Shirt Rally Puts Thai Govt In Tricky Spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GentlemanJim Posted January 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2013 I bet when Chalerm got back to the sanctity of his office, he had a few good slugs of ear medicine after that experience! Thida is becoming a real thorn in the side right now. I particularly liked this line: Chalerm tried to please the protesters by telling Mainueng he should not call red-shirt detainees "political prisoners" because they had done nothing wrong.Mainueng argued that as the red-shirt detainees had done nothing wrong, why had the government not released them? The question appeared to put Chalerm in an awkward spot. I hope Mr Mainueng has a sound and thorough medical insurance policy, as I doubt when Police Captain Chalerm got back to parliament the rantings from him that would have been forthcoming would have been 'Ministerial' in nature. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Don't you just hate it, when the natives get restless, without having been paid to do so ? Perhaps it will teach PTP that loyalty should be two-way ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post yoshiwara Posted January 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2013 They are Thaksin's crude and boorish tool to put public pressure on government ministers and since Chalerm is crude and boorish himself he is unsurprisingly red-faced when confronted with his own uselessness in delivering the Thaksin agenda. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I bet when Chalerm got back to the sanctity of his office, he had a few good slugs of ear medicine after that experience! Thida is becoming a real thorn in the side right now.I particularly liked this line: Chalerm tried to please the protesters by telling Mainueng he should not call red-shirt detainees "political prisoners" because they had done nothing wrong.Mainueng argued that as the red-shirt detainees had done nothing wrong, why had the government not released them? The question appeared to put Chalerm in an awkward spot. I hope Mr Mainueng has a sound and thorough medical insurance policy, as I doubt when Police Captain Chalerm got back to parliament the rantings from him that would have been forthcoming would have been 'Ministerial' in nature. Agreed ... Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OzMick Posted January 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) They might be slow learners but they're getting there. The promises the red leaders made, to give amnesty for criminal acts in the name of politics are very slow coming, and crimes are still crimes. The question "If we did nothing wrong, why are we in prison?" has only one real answer. You were told lies, and in your stupidity believed every word. Now what are you going to do about it? Edited January 30, 2013 by OzMick 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dcutman Posted January 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2013 Chalerm was allowed to leave only after he promised that Cabinet would send representatives to meet them So Mr. Chalerm how does it feel what the rest of the country has been going through for so long? Being held hostage is a very unpleasant experience, is it not? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 1,000 of the proletariat (working class) beginning to see through the UDD/PTP Bahtfest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Where's Phil when we need him? Come on Phil straighten us out on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 When I read the article title I thought it was a story about Chalerm being left drunk at a karaoke club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Red-shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said yesterday Deputy Commerce Minister Natthawut Saikua, one of the red-shirt leaders, was assigned to cooperate with the government on the group's version of the amnesty law Interesting development in that 15 days ago, Jatuporn, and not Natthawut, was given that task to liaison between the government and Red Shirts... He's still not been able to get an appointment and meet with Yingluck to give her Thida's and The Red Shirts version of their demands. Seems that Yingluck and the PTP are giving a cold shoulder and stalling the January 29th Red Shirts AND Nittirat Group Red Shirts AND Thida's Red Shirts.. This afternoon, In an apparent change of tactics, instead of an amnesty law, the Red Shirts demanded that an Executive Decree be issued by Prime Minister Yingluck to give amnesty for those with criminal offenses occurring between January 1, 2007 and December 31, 2011. They have proposed their own draft of the desired Executive Decree and covers those that have been already been sentenced to jail as well as for those with still pending cases. It was read out today by Red Shirt Shirt Leader Thida, who was accompanied by Pheu Thai Party MP/Deputy Commerce Minister/Red Shirt Leader Natthawut and former Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn, and Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Korkaew. Afterwards, Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn said he will attempt to get an appointment with YIngluck to hand deliver their proposed Executive Decree for her to approve. Edited January 30, 2013 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Red-shirt leader Thida Thavornseth said yesterday Deputy Commerce Minister Natthawut Saikua, one of the red-shirt leaders, was assigned to cooperate with the government on the group's version of the amnesty law Interesting development in that 15 days ago, Jatuporn, and not Natthawut, was given that task to liaison between the government and Red Shirts... He's still not been able to get an appointment and meet with Yingluck to give her Thida's and The Red Shirts version of their demands. Seems that Yingluck and the PTP are giving a cold shoulder and stalling the January 29th Red Shirts AND Nittirat Group Red Shirts AND Thida's Red Shirts.. This afternoon, In an apparent change of tactics, instead of an amnesty law, the Red Shirts demanded that an Executive Decree be issued by Prime Minister Yingluck to give amnesty for those with criminal offenses occurring between January 1, 2007 and December 31, 2011. They have proposed their own draft of the desired Executive Decree and covers those that have been already been sentenced to jail as well as for those with still pending cases. It was read out today by Red Shirt Shirt Leader Thida, who was accompanied by Pheu Thai Party MP/Deputy Commerce Minister/Red Shirt Leader Natthawut and former Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn, and Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Korkaew. Afterwards, Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn said he will attempt to get an appointment with YIngluck to hand deliver their proposed Executive Decree for her to approve. They know that a blanket amnesty isn't going to swing. I remember a conversation with a very big pooyai who was a lecturer of Thaksins class in police college, and knew him very well. His attitude was that he has to go to jail even for one day to show some respect for the system. The powers that be will not grant him amnesty for fear of how powerful that will make him in Thailand. I don't really blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 When you have your way with a multitude of those with loose morals, you have to expect the resultant bastard children to line up to get a hand in the cookie jar. When you find and send a alley cat as a mouth piece you have to expect fur to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They know that a blanket amnesty isn't going to swing. I remember a conversation with a very big pooyai who was a lecturer of Thaksins class in police college, and knew him very well. His attitude was that he has to go to jail even for one day to show some respect for the system. The powers that be will not grant him amnesty for fear of how powerful that will make him in Thailand. I don't really blame them. One day isn't going to cut the mustard, is it? With the numerous and serious charges that he faces, that would make "the system" a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Chalerm appeared confident when he jumped on the sound truck before some 1,000 red-shirt protesters The obligatory over-statement of protest numbers announced by Red Shirts remains at an exaggerated factor of 10... The Red Shirts have now announced plans to hold a rally on January 29th, with up to 10,000 protesters, in order to demand the government grant amnesty to their members, to release all "political prisoners", and to provide monetary compensation to those acquitted of their criminal charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They know that a blanket amnesty isn't going to swing. I remember a conversation with a very big pooyai who was a lecturer of Thaksins class in police college, and knew him very well. His attitude was that he has to go to jail even for one day to show some respect for the system. The powers that be will not grant him amnesty for fear of how powerful that will make him in Thailand. I don't really blame them. One day isn't going to cut the mustard, is it? With the numerous and serious charges that he faces, that would make "the system" a farce. Probably won't, but this was how he phrased it. "even if he went to jail for one day, it would show he admitted he did wrong". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 hehehe Red Shirts you were used by Big T, the leaders made big money on your backs and got you to do criminal acts now pay the price boys and girls. The PTP will not give amnesty for criminal acts, that would defiantly seal there fate as a joke. Lets hear it from the usual red supporters come on boys give us your take on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They know that a blanket amnesty isn't going to swing. I remember a conversation with a very big pooyai who was a lecturer of Thaksins class in police college, and knew him very well. His attitude was that he has to go to jail even for one day to show some respect for the system. The powers that be will not grant him amnesty for fear of how powerful that will make him in Thailand. I don't really blame them. One day isn't going to cut the mustard, is it? With the numerous and serious charges that he faces, that would make "the system" a farce. Probably won't, but this was how he phrased it. "even if he went to jail for one day, it would show he admitted he did wrong". Two things Thaksin has said over and over and over and over... and over, again : I'm finished with politics. I did nothing wrong. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshiwara Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 1,000 of the proletariat (working class) beginning to see through the UDD/PTP Bahtfest Unlikely that these guys are members of the organised working class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AleG Posted January 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2013 They might be slow learners but they're getting there. The promises the red leaders made, to give amnesty for criminal acts in the name of politics are very slow coming, and crimes are still crimes. The question "If we did nothing wrong, why are we in prison?" has only one real answer. You were told lies, and in your stupidity believed every word. Now what are you going to do about it? Of course the other answer to the conundrum "If we did nothing wrong, why are we in prison?" is that they actually did something wrong, or is arson not a crime? Or attacks with firearms and explosives, or blocking public roads for weeks, vandalism, looting, breaking into private and public property, incitement to commit violent acts, etc, etc... 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 They know that a blanket amnesty isn't going to swing. I remember a conversation with a very big pooyai who was a lecturer of Thaksins class in police college, and knew him very well. His attitude was that he has to go to jail even for one day to show some respect for the system. The powers that be will not grant him amnesty for fear of how powerful that will make him in Thailand. I don't really blame them. One day isn't going to cut the mustard, is it? With the numerous and serious charges that he faces, that would make "the system" a farce. The way I see it the system is OK it like all systems has its kinks. In this case it is the people using it that are a farce at every opportunity they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 When I saw the headline I thought that the red shirts had bought Chalerm some really good booze. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Grassroots Red-Shirt Rally Puts Thai Govt In Tricky Spot Full story: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 It was read out today by Red Shirt Shirt Leader Thida, who was accompanied by Pheu Thai Party MP/Deputy Commerce Minister/Red Shirt Leader Natthawut and former Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn, and Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Korkaew. How about that three of them are on both sides of the fence, or should that be farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 It was read out today by Red Shirt Shirt Leader Thida, who was accompanied by Pheu Thai Party MP/Deputy Commerce Minister/Red Shirt Leader Natthawut and former Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn, and Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Korkaew. How about that three of them are on both sides of the fence, or should that be farce. Make that twelve (minus Jatuporn) Red Shirt Leaders in Pheu Thai Party-list MP seats Nattawut Weng Jatuporn (since removed) Payap Vichian Korkaew Nisit Vorachai Prasit Karun Sunai Apiwan Wiphuthalaeng . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic6ard Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 That has to be a classic scene, I would have loved to watch Chalerm's face when he got rebutted Chalerm: they're not political prisoner, they've done nothing wrong Maineung: They why are they still in prison. Chalerm: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 It was read out today by Red Shirt Shirt Leader Thida, who was accompanied by Pheu Thai Party MP/Deputy Commerce Minister/Red Shirt Leader Natthawut and former Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn, and Pheu Thai Party MP/Red Shirt Leader Korkaew. How about that three of them are on both sides of the fence, or should that be farce. Make that twelve (minus Jatuporn) Red Shirt Leaders in Pheu Thai Party-list MP seats Nattawut Weng Jatuporn (since removed) Payap Vichian Korkaew Nisit Vorachai Prasit Karun Sunai Apiwan Wiphuthalaeng . What they could do is break away and form their own political party, then let it be known they are willing to form a coalition government. Of course, then they would have to explain why 90+ people had to die when somebody else did the same thing. Bit tricky that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) That has to be a classic scene, I would have loved to watch Chalerm's face when he got rebutted Chalerm: they're not political prisoner, they've done nothing wrong Maineung: They why are they still in prison. Chalerm: A rather uncomfortable day from being dressed down (alongside Deputy Secretary-General to Prime Minister Yingluck and Red Shirt Leader Issan Rambo in the Red tie and who doesn't look too keen himself to be there) before going up on stage and, after removing his suit jacket, getting dressed down again... Daily News - Jan. 30, 2013 Manager News - Jan. 30, 2013 Edited January 30, 2013 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candypants Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 When I read the article title I thought it was a story about Chalerm being left drunk at a karaoke club why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Chalerm,Sanoh, Sanan, Suthep, Sonthi, Sondhi, Abhisit, Thaksin, Chuan they are all the same. They could not care less about people. They are in politics for one thing only to become untouchable and to enrich themselves. Politicians worldwide are mostly scum but in Thailand they invented it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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