Yingluck Stresses She's Real Prime Minister

[Tatsujin]

Why are there no quotes surrounding the opening part of the article you quote, this is pure conjecture delivered as fact. where are the statements from the party members that back up any thing other than "We can contact him" ? and one guy Sondhi, leader of the yellowshirts (read opposition) included as though he is a part of the PTP set up.... before you pick out Noppadons statement, well who else was there at that time to formulate policy?......in short your post is a statement made to sell newspapers with no substatial supporting evidence, not unusual then...

You're quibbling over "quotes"? lol

It's in italics which is often used for "quotes". Besides that, there was a link provided to the full article at the New York Times. Or did you miss that?

To continue my misinformed postings, try this one from Forbes:

Regarding his behind-the-scenes role in the party and policy, he is not shy: “I am the one who thinks. Like our slogan during the campaign, Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts.”

http://www.forbes.co...gging-for-gold/

Or is this source not good enough for you either?

EDIT:

By the way, it the sources are not good enough for you or there's not enough supporting evidence, I suggest you write and complain to Forbes and the New York Times. They did the reporting, not me. I'm just quoting from information out in the public domain.

Edited February 3, 2013 by Tatsujin

[Tatsujin]

Why are there no quotes surrounding the opening part of the article you quote, this is pure conjecture delivered as fact. where are the statements from the party members that back up any thing other than "We can contact him" ? and one guy Sondhi, leader of the yellowshirts (read opposition) included as though he is a part of the PTP set up.... before you pick out Noppadons statement, well who else was there at that time to formulate policy?......in short your post is a statement made to sell newspapers with no substatial supporting evidence, not unusual then...

Apologies, I forgot to address your issue with Noppadon Pattama's statement. Are you trying to say that, because the party was/is full of incompetents, this is somehow the reason why Thaksin should and does phone in and give (as you insist) "advice"? Shouldn't the Thai people have expected to have elected people who were capable and competent to run the country? They didn't elect Thaksin.

[Ricardo]

So has Thaksin, or any of his spokesmen, here or in the USA, yet denied the article's claim that he makes major government decisions and communicates them by Skype, and is therefore effectively running the country from offshore ?

If not ... that's quite a big silence, isn't it ?

Why should he deny anything, strokes the ego you all insist he carries....and doesn't impact the actuality of the situation, I'm sure Thaksin is as aware as anybody that even a denial would make no impression on those that believe what they will......are you expecting a denial?

"are you expecting a denial"

Yes ! If someone is making stories like this up, and writing about them in a reputable newspaper, I would expect a denial to be forthcoming.

If only to support his sister's version of things.

Woud you believe it if he issued a denial?......if not then my post is possibly very accurate!!

I welcome any interviews the former-PM gives, and view them as an opportunity to try to understand his current thinking, and intentions towards the country which I now regard as home. Whether or not I believe everything I read, well probably not, but it's all grist to the mill !

I would point out that if he did say or believe the things he is reported to have said, then there is an interesting contrast, with what PM-Yingluck now says. Why do you think that might be ? Is he delusional (I don't necessarily think so) or is she so totally clueless (I would hope not) ? Perhaps the truth lies somewhere in-between ?

What I myself might believe is of course at-least partly based on the facts, as I currently know them through reports such as this, so new information would always be of interest, and might well alter my world-view. Should one in future discard everything one might read, in Forbes or the New York Times, for example ?

I do appreciate that newspaper-articles like this might embarrass some, who don't wish to see Thailand portrayed as really being run from overseas by a criminal fugitive, this might perhaps trouble the legal PM when she represents the country in meeting other national-leaders ? But I would not currently write the whole story off as fabrication, especially since Thaksin seems unwilling to deny it, and in the light of other contradictory or mixed-messages previously sent by the former-PM.

[473geo]

Understand your point of view ricardo, my point which was missed (perhaps not explained well) and interpreted as nitpicking on quotes, was actually surrounding the mechanisms used to sell publications. I agree, to write off any published article would be unwise, to develop the ability to evaluate and sort the wheat from the efforts to derive an economically rewarding headline is probably a more constructive activity. Thus the opening phrase quoted from NYT was the concoction of the publication and not a direct quote from any person nor substantiated later, indeed the most damning comment included was a quote from the opposition, again unsubstatiated and only to be expected. The forbes article has Thaksin stating he thinks PT acts, well in the initial stages that may have been correct up to a point, there are a few other heavyweights around, and more are on boarding all the time which I feel will dilute the Thaksin influence and is indeed in my opinionthe way forward. Lets take a look at te Forbes headline.......Thaksin in exile, advises sister, digging for gold......misleading? not if one has the ability to establish immediately that the last three words carry no relation to the middle two!! And we all know Thaksin has a hand in Thai politics, but is it declining? is Yingluck on the ascendancy? in which case Yingluck may truthfully say she is the PM of Thailand, and Thaksin may well state he is thinking and PT acting and both could be correct.

Edited February 3, 2013 by 473geo

[473geo]

Why are there no quotes surrounding the opening part of the article you quote, this is pure conjecture delivered as fact. where are the statements from the party members that back up any thing other than "We can contact him" ? and one guy Sondhi, leader of the yellowshirts (read opposition) included as though he is a part of the PTP set up.... before you pick out Noppadons statement, well who else was there at that time to formulate policy?......in short your post is a statement made to sell newspapers with no substatial supporting evidence, not unusual then...

You're quibbling over "quotes"? lol

It's in italics which is often used for "quotes". Besides that, there was a link provided to the full article at the New York Times. Or did you miss that?

To continue my misinformed postings, try this one from Forbes:

Regarding his behind-the-scenes role in the party and policy, he is not shy: “I am the one who thinks. Like our slogan during the campaign, Thaksin thinks, Pheu Thai acts.”

http://www.forbes.co...gging-for-gold/

Or is this source not good enough for you either?

EDIT:

By the way, it the sources are not good enough for you or there's not enough supporting evidence, I suggest you write and complain to Forbes and the New York Times. They did the reporting, not me. I'm just quoting from information out in the public domain.

Now why would I need to complain to Forbes regarding you lifting a sentence to support your beliefs from a well rounded article, from which again you appear to have also missed some very relevant details which Thaksin stated but let us see now, it is said by Thaksin, published by Forbes yet I do believe you choose not to believe your own source, that you show to me as 'supporting' documentation......curiouser and curiouser

[ricardofel]

I really really really an the PM...really really....not really!

[Pimay1]

I really really really an the PM...really really....not really!

When I saw this headline it reminded me of a television show many years ago in the US. It was called "what's my line". There would be a guy/lady come on the show and try to fool the three panelists as to what he/she did for a living. They had to be really convincing to fool the panel. Yingluck wouldn't last past the second question. They would spot her as a clone immediately. Edited February 3, 2013 by Pimay1

[473geo]

I really really really an the PM...really really....not really!

When I saw this headline it reminded me of a television show many years ago in the US. It was called "what's my line". There would be a guy/lady come on the show and try to fool the three panelists as to what he/she did for a living. They had to be really convincing to fool the panel. Yingluck wouldn't last past the second question. They would spot her as a clone immediately.

They might have also struggled to get past Thaksin stating I am a Montenegran citizen, living in Dubai, and I run Thailand....in fact they might have died laughing

[jackspratt]

You have me a bit confused 473.

Earlier (post 270) you intimate, (in relation to Noppadon's quote), that effectively, leading up to the election, there was no-one else in the PTP able to set policy, so it was left to Thaksin.

Fair enough - though rather damning I would have thought about a newly elected government.

Now you say:

The forbes article has Thaksin stating he thinks PT acts, well in the initial stages that may have been correct up to a point, there are a few other heavyweights around, and more are on boarding all the time which I feel will dilute the Thaksin influence..............

As an interested observer of Thai politics, I have seen no evidence of any new "heavyweights" appearing in the PTP or coalition coterie, nor any on the political horizon.

Just the opposite in fact - for example Chalerm seems to be ever on the ascendancy, and in fact is now the senior deputy PM as I understand it.

Can you enlighten me/us as to who these new "heavyweights" are?

And given that most sensible observers believe that Thaksin either decides, or has an effective veto over most of the major parliamentary, civil service and police appointments, how is his influence likely to be diluted?

Edited February 3, 2013 by jackspratt

[473geo]

You have me a bit confused 473.

Earlier (post 270) you intimate, (in relation to Noppadon's quote), that effectively, leading up to the election, there was no-one else in the PTP able to set policy, so it was left to Thaksin.

Fair enough - though rather damning I would have thought about a newly elected government.

Now you say:

The forbes article has Thaksin stating he thinks PT acts, well in the initial stages that may have been correct up to a point, there are a few other heavyweights around, and more are on boarding all the time which I feel will dilute the Thaksin influence..............

As an interested observer of Thai politics, I have seen no evidence of any new "heavyweights" appearing in the PTP or coalition coterie, nor any on the political horizon.

Just the opposite in fact - for example Chalerm seems to be ever on the ascendancy, and in fact is now the senior deputy PM as I understand it.

Can you enlighten me/us as to who these new "heavyweights" are?

And given that most sensible observers believe that Thaksin either decides, or has an effective veto over most of the major parliamentary, civil service and police appointments, how is his influence likely to be diluted?

Quite frankly Mrspratt I have no interest in your comments, I took the trouble to send you a PM when you requested an answer to a question and you have not bothered to read it.......go do your grandstanding off the back of somebody elses posts , if you do not see what I see then that is your issue....frankly your post shows nothing more than limited vision... Edited February 3, 2013 by 473geo

[Pimay1]

I really really really an the PM...really really....not really!

When I saw this headline it reminded me of a television show many years ago in the US. It was called "what's my line". There would be a guy/lady come on the show and try to fool the three panelists as to what he/she did for a living. They had to be really convincing to fool the panel. Yingluck wouldn't last past the second question. They would spot her as a clone immediately.

They might have also struggled to get past Thaksin stating I am a Montenegran citizen, living in Dubai, and I run Thailand....in fact they might have died laughing

Best post you have made in a while. You are correct they would have laughed and said that was impossible. Of course what you said about Thaksin is exactly true so he would have won the prize by giving this otherwise unbelievable story.

[jackspratt]

You have me a bit confused 473.

Earlier (post 270) you intimate, (in relation to Noppadon's quote), that effectively, leading up to the election, there was no-one else in the PTP able to set policy, so it was left to Thaksin.

Fair enough - though rather damning I would have thought about a newly elected government.

Now you say:

The forbes article has Thaksin stating he thinks PT acts, well in the initial stages that may have been correct up to a point, there are a few other heavyweights around, and more are on boarding all the time which I feel will dilute the Thaksin influence..............

As an interested observer of Thai politics, I have seen no evidence of any new "heavyweights" appearing in the PTP or coalition coterie, nor any on the political horizon.

Just the opposite in fact - for example Chalerm seems to be ever on the ascendancy, and in fact is now the senior deputy PM as I understand it.

Can you enlighten me/us as to who these new "heavyweights" are?

And given that most sensible observers believe that Thaksin either decides, or has an effective veto over most of the major parliamentary, civil service and police appointments, how is his influence likely to be diluted?

Quite frankly Mrspratt I have no interest in your comments, I took the trouble to send you a PM when you requested an answer to a question and you have not bothered to read it.......go do your grandstanding off the back of somebody elses posts , if you do not see what I see then that is your issue....frankly your post shows nothing more than limited vision...

My request was made on a public forum, and as far as I am concerned, your response (which I have read) should have been via the same platform. I did you the courtesy of not repeating it here, but I have no interest in getting into a private debate with you.

Up to you whether or not you respond to my above post. Your inclination to avoid, or obfuscate, difficult questions is apparent.

Edited February 3, 2013 by jackspratt

[hellodolly]

If it is not true then certainly T will sue the paper for millions dollars. After all that's what he did when he was PM here. But it must be true because not a peep out of him.

Don't be silly a Montenegran citizen running Thailand by skype..... preposterous......ask any Thai person....I guess Thaksin has just acceped the article for the comedic brilliance of the content, the guy has a sense of humour...but also he would find it difficult to prove that in his interaction with his sister politics is not discussed as obviously it is....

If you knew any thing at all about Thaksin you would know he has a huge sense of revenge. = suing people who don't say nice things about him. Problem being for him now is he realizes he dosen't have a leg to stand on he can no longer use his office as a support.

He like his supporters is just talking to hear them selves talk.

Remember try to applie common sense in stead of wish full thinking.

You would be amazed at the difference don't be afraid give it a try.

[473geo]

If it is not true then certainly T will sue the paper for millions dollars. After all that's what he did when he was PM here. But it must be true because not a peep out of him.

Don't be silly a Montenegran citizen running Thailand by skype..... preposterous......ask any Thai person....I guess Thaksin has just acceped the article for the comedic brilliance of the content, the guy has a sense of humour...but also he would find it difficult to prove that in his interaction with his sister politics is not discussed as obviously it is....

If you knew any thing at all about Thaksin you would know he has a huge sense of revenge. = suing people who don't say nice things about him. Problem being for him now is he realizes he dosen't have a leg to stand on he can no longer use his office as a support.

He like his supporters is just talking to hear them selves talk.

Remember try to applie common sense in stead of wish full thinking.

You would be amazed at the difference don't be afraid give it a try.

Are trying to insult me Dolly? surely not.....I never had common sense Dolly my sense was always kind of elite....you know Dolly on the upper strata above common....

[Buchholz]

Sometimes the public makes dumb-ass decisions which they rue later. Americans did it with Nixon and Bush Jr. and other top bananas. Thais did it with Thaksin and later, his sister. It's just that millions of Thais haven't yet figured out their mistake in keeping that greedy family at the top. In the meantime, they reap what they sow; bad policies and more lies.

Incidentally, when will Thaksin return the medals, ribbons, ranks, certificates and accolades which he is required, by law, to return?

As for the non-return of his Royal Medals (based on a law that he himself signed), it's been 4 years and 4 months... and still counting.

Thaksin willing to return royal decorations

The Nation - October 13, 2008

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra will likely agree to return all of his royal decorations if required to by law, Government Spokesman Natthawut Saikua said yesterday.

If Thaksin fails to appeal the Supreme Court's guilty verdict and two-year jail sentence against him in the Ratchadaphisek land case, the Knight Grand Commander (Second Class, higher grade) of the Most Illustrious Order of Chula Chom Klao would need to be recalled.

A PM's Office decree endorsed by then-PM Thaksin in August 2005 gives eight criteria for the recalling of royal decorations, including if a person is convicted by the highest court and ordered to serve time in prison.

..............................

EPILOGUE: Thaksin DID fail to appeal his guilty verdict, but has never complied with the recall law he himself signed.

Edited February 3, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Sometimes the public makes dumb-ass decisions which they rue later. Americans did it with Nixon and Bush Jr. and other top bananas. Thais did it with Thaksin and later, his sister. It's just that millions of Thais haven't yet figured out their mistake in keeping that greedy family at the top. In the meantime, they reap what they sow; bad policies and more lies.

Incidentally, when will Thaksin return the medals, ribbons, ranks, certificates and accolades which he is required, by law, to return?

And when will his passport be cancelled?

It was cancelled in April 2009.

A new one was issued by his cousin the Foreign Minister in October 2011.

http://www.telegraph...s-returned.html

The Office of the Ombudsman ruled that the new issuance was illegal, but as yet, there's been no move by the cousin to comply with the Ombudsman recommendation to revoke it.

They've been "studying" the ruling since last September.

.

Edited February 3, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Sometimes the public makes dumb-ass decisions which they rue later. Americans did it with Nixon and Bush Jr. and other top bananas. Thais did it with Thaksin and later, his sister. It's just that millions of Thais haven't yet figured out their mistake in keeping that greedy family at the top. In the meantime, they reap what they sow; bad policies and more lies.

Incidentally, when will Thaksin return the medals, ribbons, ranks, certificates and accolades which he is required, by law, to return?

And when will his passport be cancelled?

Well guys if you are not capable of working out the answers to these questions...... .

The answer is non-compliance with the law on both returning Royal Medals and passport revocation.

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Edited February 3, 2013 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

So has Thaksin, or any of his spokesmen, here or in the USA, yet denied the article's claim that he makes major government decisions and communicates them by Skype, and is therefore effectively running the country from offshore ?

If not ... that's quite a big silence, isn't it ?

The appropriately named Government Spokesman Tossaporn, like Yingluck, dismissed the New York Times article.

Thaksin, the Interior Minister Charupong, and also Pheu Thai Party Adivsor/Thaksin Lawyer Noppadon, who were all interviewed face-to-face and provided direct quotes relating to how Thaksin runs the Pheu Thai Party in the article have NOT issued any recanting, AFAIK.

[Buchholz]

Why should he deny anything, strokes the ego you all insist he carries....and doesn't impact the actuality of the situation, I'm sure Thaksin is as aware as anybody that even a denial would make no impression on those that believe what they will......are you expecting a denial?

"are you expecting a denial"

Yes ! If someone is making stories like this up, and writing about them in a reputable newspaper, I would expect a denial to be forthcoming.

If only to support his sister's version of things.

Woud you believe it if he issued a denial?......if not then my post is possibly very accurate!!

If it is not true then certainly T will sue the paper for millions dollars. After all that's what he did when he was PM here. But it must be true because not a peep out of him.

It's also what he's done after he was PM, and after he was convicted, and after he became a fugitive. There's been no demonstrable drop in his defamation lawsuit filings since going AWOL.

For someone who is so dismissive of the courts and their rulings against him, he's the first in line to use them to sue others... despite his own current convicted fugitive status.

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Edited February 3, 2013 by Buchholz

[AleG]

473geo's defense of Thaksin and his party are preposterous to the point of being indistinguishable from trolling.

[473geo]

473geo's defense of Thaksin and his party are preposterous to the point of being indistinguishable from trolling.

You think so?, I've said it before, but for you I will repeat it.......if Thaksin is running Thailand he would walk right back in the door....but you guys either will not, or don't have the lateral vision to understand this....not trolling just logical...elite sense as I explained to Dolly... Edited February 3, 2013 by 473geo

[waza]

473geo's defense of Thaksin and his party are preposterous to the point of being indistinguishable from trolling.

You think so?, I've said it before, but for you I will repeat it.......if Thaksin is running Thailand he would walk right back in the door....but you guys either will not, or don't have the lateral vision to understand this....not trolling just logical...elite sense as I explained to Dolly...

I believe Thaksin is a convicted criminal who is running the PTP party which is the major coalition partner in the government that runs Thailand.

Furthermore, he cant walk back into Thailand because he is a convicted criminal and his party hasn't removed the checks and balances in the 2007 constitution yet and inserted an amnesty clause in it for him. Secondly there are millions of Thais who are fair minded, democratic and believe in the rule of law and would take to the street to protest against this if it happened.

Edited February 3, 2013 by waza

[Buchholz]

473geo's defense of Thaksin and his party are preposterous to the point of being indistinguishable from trolling.

You think so?, I've said it before, but for you I will repeat it.......if Thaksin is running Thailand he would walk right back in the door...

"the three screw-ups' incompetence" is why he's not

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[AleG]

473geo's defense of Thaksin and his party are preposterous to the point of being indistinguishable from trolling.

You think so?, I've said it before, but for you I will repeat it.......if Thaksin is running Thailand he would walk right back in the door....but you guys either will not, or don't have the lateral vision to understand this....not trolling just logical...elite sense as I explained to Dolly...

You call that logical thinking? Hopeless.

The reason why he is not back in Thailand is because he does not have the power to dictate the judicial system to rescind his sentence and dismiss the other charges awaiting him.

There's this thing called "separation of powers" in democracies, were the so called "executive" power can't dictate what the "judicial power" does.

[waza]

473geo's defense of Thaksin and his party are preposterous to the point of being indistinguishable from trolling.

You think so?, I've said it before, but for you I will repeat it.......if Thaksin is running Thailand he would walk right back in the door....but you guys either will not, or don't have the lateral vision to understand this....not trolling just logical...elite sense as I explained to Dolly...

I believe Thaksin is a convicted criminal who is running the PTP party which is the major coalition partner in the government that runs Thailand.

Furthermore, he cant walk back into Thailand because he is a convicted criminal and his party hasn't removed the checks and balances in the 2007 constitution yet and inserted a, amnesty clause in it for him. Secondly there are millions of Thais who are fair minded, democratic and believe in the rule of law and would take to the street to protest against this if it happened.

PS do you mean we need lateral thinking or peripheral vision to understand your logic/trolling?

Edited February 3, 2013 by waza

[473geo]

Nope guys, if he ran the place the amnesty would be a done deal, and he would be back......he isn't ......think again.....

[AleG]

By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

[473geo]

By the same logic Obama is not the President of the USA because he couldn't go around committing crimes without being impeached.

473geo, you've been trotting this brain-dead argument for some days, it's entirely worthless but you seem to be amused by it, bless your heart.

Are you saying the USA is a dictatorship, I had no idea.........because we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand, we are told on this forum the Shinawatras run Thailand, sorry guys.......if he is ever allowed to return he will be told how and when, he is allowed to dabble and influence politics at the moment nothing more....(and those with an element of understanding will know why this is)........others will carry on in their confused state totally accepting that a man who is supposedly controlling the country is still living in Dubai...... Edited February 3, 2013 by 473geo

[Buchholz]

we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand

I think you're missing the real assertion, Thaksin controls, runs Pheu Thai.... not the same.

btw, Taksin died April 7, 1782.

.

[473geo]

we are being told Taksin controls, runs, Thailand

I think you're missing the real assertion, Thaksin controls, runs Pheu Thai.... not the same.

btw, Taksin died April 7, 1782.

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Well hallelujah........isn't that just what I have been saying all along......thank you....yeah typo with Thaksin, good you highlighted it, there are a few here who may have well started recalling the guy in 1782....