webfact Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Chalerm strikes back at Sukampol The Nation BANGKOK: -- Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday criticised Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat for his public statement that he disagreed with Chalerm's proposal for curfews in the Deep South, telling the former air chief marshal to ask the prime minister to give him the job if he thinks he can do it better. newsjs "I am the director of the new operations centre dealing with insurgent violence in the Deep South, and what do I do if I am given the post but not allowed to propose ideas to do the job," Charlerm said. Chalerm's proposal was for curfews at staggered times in different areas each night, but Sukampol immediately shot down the idea in public comments without first discussing it with him. Chalerm's proposal also involves imposing the Emergency Decree in "red zones" - areas with high insurgent activities - while the less draconian Security Act would be in place in safer areas, or so-called "green zones". The most dangerous zones would have curfews, but at different locations and times each night in a bid to keep insurgents off balance. A meeting of the new operations centre on February 15 will decide on the curfew proposal, he added. -- The Nation 2013-02-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Chalerm lost face? It's a bad idea. Accept that and move on. Or in the future, think before you speak! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisY1 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 It's my bat and ball........! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Chalerm lost face? It's a bad idea. Accept that and move on. Or in the future, think before you speak! Chalerm, think before you speak = oxymoron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well if he discussed the issue privately in a meeting first, it wouldn't lead to a public rebuttal. Duh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcutman Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 (edited) The most dangerous zones would have curfews, but at different locations and times each night in a bid to keep insurgents off balance. So there would have to be a public notice and schedule of these curfews? I dont suppose it occurred to Chalerm that the so called insurgents would also be notified. What a dumb ass! Edited February 8, 2013 by dcutman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurboy Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well if he discussed the issue privately in a meeting first, it wouldn't lead to a public rebuttal. Duh. Bang on the button. Clear communication, workable strategies, resource and tactical planning and delivery, followed by constant monitoring and review. In the meantime, we're left with Coco the clown meets Biffo the Bear meets the Keystone Cops meets...the analogies are endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 DPM Chalerm: Deep South curfew imposition will be activated despite criticism BANGKOK, 8 February 2013 (NNT) – The government is adamant to impose curfew in violence-torn southern border areas without heeding any suggestion from academics and the Defense Minister. Deputy Prime Minister Pol. Capt. Chalerm Ubumrung said on Thursday that whether or not a curfew will be imposed in the Deep South is up to the resolution of the Committee to Mobilize Policy and Strategy to Solve Problems in the Southern Border Provinces. He stated that the Committee has actually resolved to invoke the Internal Security Act in the green zone and the Executive Decree in the danger zone, as well as to impose a curfew in the red zone or areas where cases of insurgent violence have constantly been reported. Pol. Capt. Chalerm said that more cooperation is required from related provincial governors in tackling the violence after it is proven that state efforts to date have failed to rein in the problems. He said that local officers are asked to give input on the determination of the areas deemed violence-prone and where the curfew may not be needed. The Deputy PM stressed that he will not listen to any suggestion on this issue from academics and criticism from Defense Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat. Mr. Chalerm insisted that the proposal of the curfew imposition in the southern border region has been derived from discussion with locals and former Cabinet minister Wan Mohamad Noor Matha, a seasoned Muslim politician, who is knowledgeable about the situation in the Deep South. -- NNT 2013-02-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Blind eyes deaf ears, TOP TO BOTTOM, innocent people will be screwed. It's like saying, "you're out there? Your own fault, you'll get shot, Rest n peace. One scum less.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellodolly Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 DPM Chalerm: Deep South curfew imposition will be activated despite criticism BANGKOK, 8 February 2013 (NNT) – The government is adamant to impose curfew in violence-torn southern border areas without heeding any suggestion from academics and the Defense Minister. Deputy Prime Minister Pol. Capt. Chalerm Ubumrung said on Thursday that whether or not a curfew will be imposed in the Deep South is up to the resolution of the Committee to Mobilize Policy and Strategy to Solve Problems in the Southern Border Provinces. He stated that the Committee has actually resolved to invoke the Internal Security Act in the green zone and the Executive Decree in the danger zone, as well as to impose a curfew in the red zone or areas where cases of insurgent violence have constantly been reported. Pol. Capt. Chalerm said that more cooperation is required from related provincial governors in tackling the violence after it is proven that state efforts to date have failed to rein in the problems. He said that local officers are asked to give input on the determination of the areas deemed violence-prone and where the curfew may not be needed. The Deputy PM stressed that he will not listen to any suggestion on this issue from academics and criticism from Defense Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat. Mr. Chalerm insisted that the proposal of the curfew imposition in the southern border region has been derived from discussion with locals and former Cabinet minister Wan Mohamad Noor Matha, a seasoned Muslim politician, who is knowledgeable about the situation in the Deep South. -- NNT 2013-02-08 It's my bat and ball you will play by my rules. Pass the ear medicine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Newman Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 This is a bit like a boxing ring match with Thaksin to be the umpire !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby nz Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 This is my idea and its going to happen no matter how stupid it is. I will accept no input from anyone so shut up or I will have you all transferd to inactive posts. Who needs Thaksin as a dictator we have a candidate right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 That will be the Red tainted approach coming out... ... My way or the highway. Fine, let this buffoon enact his curfew and daily changing time frames etc, then when he hasn't solved the problem in 90 days we expect his resignation on the PM's desk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AleG Posted February 8, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2013 That will be the Red tainted approach coming out... ... My way or the highway. Fine, let this buffoon enact his curfew and daily changing time frames etc, then when he hasn't solved the problem in 90 days we expect his resignation on the PM's desk. Has he resigned for any of the other "I'll fix it in 90 days" fiascoes? How many people will have to die because if this inebriated lout put in charge of such sensitive situation? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upena Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Maybe Chalerm should actually visit the "restive" deep south before he does anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Maybe Chalerm should actually visit the "restive" deep south before he does anything. Better still - make him move there (and not let him out of the three provinces) until he solves the problem. Your in charge of fixing it, so you gotta experience it first hand until you've done your job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Must of thought that idea up during his last 'meeting' in Malaysia. burp...brp....zzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Sata Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Chalerm promised he would solve the problems in the south weeks. How about sending his son the policeman down there to enforce the curfew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SICHONSTEVE Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 The most dangerous zones would have curfews, but at different locations and times each night in a bid to keep insurgents off balance. So there would have to be a public notice and schedule of these curfews? I dont suppose it occurred to Chalerm that the so called insurgents would also be notified. What a dumb ass! Seems a tad unworkable to me - a typical PTP 'stupid idea' of the first order, When an idea comes to mind, just why do they not think it through first before announcing it as 'a grand scheme'?? All it does is make them look like numb skulls when people pick holes in it in milli-seconds of it being touted. How about this 'blinder' of an idea by one of Thaksin's interim appointees as prime minister in 2006/7!!! The area targeted for the Southern Seaboard development and a new petrochemical complex may be shifted to Pattani, from Sichon district in Nakhon Si Thammarat, in a bid to improve social, economic and political stability in the three restive southernmost provinces. The shift to a coastal area in Pattani was proposed by Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont, according to Energy Minister Piyasvasti Amranand. Dr Piyasvasti said the premier expressed the view that the violence in the southern border provinces would end by the end of this year, and that moving the Southern Seaboard to Pattani would send a strong signal to local people. Petrochemicals and chemicals are the most appropriate industries for the Southern Seaboard as they would provide huge economic benefits to locals, he added. Governments for two decades have been discussing ways to bring more industrial development to the South. Lately, the talk has taken on more urgency because of pollution and environmental problems in the heavily industrialised Eastern Seaboard centred in Rayong province. The National Economic and Social Development Board (NESDB) is expected to complete a study on the Pattani proposal within one month, said Deputy Industry Minister Piyabutr Cholvijarn. A real sensible idea don't you think?? Just build a massive oil complex in the heart of a war zone with terrorists on every corner, why not!!! Doh!!.............they are used to blowing things up, but just think about the available choices were they to build this project in Pattani!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melyn Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Chimpanzees tea party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Defence Minister denies conflict with Deputy PM Chalerm on curfew for parts of three southernmost provinces; decision due Feb 15 /MCOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Well if he discussed the issue privately in a meeting first, it wouldn't lead to a public rebuttal. Duh. Bang on the button. Clear communication, workable strategies, resource and tactical planning and delivery, followed by constant monitoring and review. In the meantime, we're left with Coco the clown meets Biffo the Bear meets the Keystone Cops meets...the analogies are endless. Further, will the insurgents respect the curfew and go home to bed? No!. Obviously they would just laugh at this idea, they have proven again and again that they are masters of surprise, ambush etc. Curefew would mean nothing to them. In many people are home early, then the insurgents will probably change their strategy and target (bomb / shoot up, whatever) the homes of the people they have decided to target after curefew has started. And/or just change their timing to attack their targets in non curfew times. Just more ill conceived band-aids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday criticised Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat for his public statement that he disagreed with Chalerm's proposal The Deputy PM stressed that he will not listen to any suggestion on this issue from academics and criticism from Defense Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat. Defence Minister denies conflict with Deputy PM Chalerm on curfew for parts of three southernmost provinces Memo to Defence Minister Sukampol: While you may emptily deny a conflict with your fellow Pheu Thai Party MP and fellow Cabinet Minister Chalerm... it is rather increasingly evident that everything is not quite rosy within the Party and the Cabinet. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 So what are they going to do to curfew breakers, shoot them? Is Chalerm prepared to wear responsibility for the death of teenage curfew breakers and collateral damage? Will those businesses that do most of their trading at might be entitled to compensation? Does Chalerm expect this move to be popular; a real hearts and minds winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushit Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Tough luck if you work night shifts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muttley Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday criticised Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat for his public statement that he disagreed with Chalerm's proposal The Deputy PM stressed that he will not listen to any suggestion on this issue from academics and criticism from Defense Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat. Defence Minister denies conflict with Deputy PM Chalerm on curfew for parts of three southernmost provinces Memo to Defence Minister Sukampol: While you may emptily deny a conflict with your fellow Pheu Thai Party MP and fellow Cabinet Minister Chalerm... it is rather increasingly evident that everything is not quite rosy within the Party and the Cabinet. . And now Buchholz has exposed you to the world. Memo to TV Forum: when the the government implodes due to internal bickering you heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday criticised Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat for his public statement that he disagreed with Chalerm's proposal The Deputy PM stressed that he will not listen to any suggestion on this issue from academics and criticism from Defense Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat. Defence Minister denies conflict with Deputy PM Chalerm on curfew for parts of three southernmost provinces Yesterday, Yingluck came out to defend and supported Chalerm's plans for a curfew in the Deep South. Seems like the Defence Minister is going to get over-ruled on this. Hardly surprising given it duplicates the "successful" policies her brother enacted in the region. Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday defended a decree giving him sweeping emergency powers to combat a violent insurgency in Thailand's Muslim-dominated south. The decree announced on Friday would give Thaksin the authority to impose curfews, ban public gatherings, censor news and close publications. Suspects can also be detained without charge, property can be confiscated, and phones tapped. Its provisions were immediately criticized in academic and media circles. .Associated Press - July 17, 2005 . Edited February 11, 2013 by Buchholz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Oh-Goody, another 'proven-success' policy from the now-distant Thaksin-era is resurrected, more re-runs than the BBC-TV in winter ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung yesterday criticised Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat for his public statement that he disagreed with Chalerm's proposal The Deputy PM stressed that he will not listen to any suggestion on this issue from academics and criticism from Defense Minister Air Chief Marshal Sukumpol Suwanatat. Defence Minister denies conflict with Deputy PM Chalerm on curfew for parts of three southernmost provinces Yesterday, Yingluck came out to defend and supported Chalerm's plans for a curfew in the Deep South. Seems like the Defence Minister is going to get over-ruled on this. Hardly surprising given it duplicates the "successful" policies her brother enacted in the region. Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra yesterday defended a decree giving him sweeping emergency powers to combat a violent insurgency in Thailand's Muslim-dominated south. The decree announced on Friday would give Thaksin the authority to impose curfews, ban public gatherings, censor news and close publications. Suspects can also be detained without charge, property can be confiscated, and phones tapped. Its provisions were immediately criticized in academic and media circles. .Associated Press - July 17, 2005 . Another person and another stance... contrary to Chalerm and Yingluck.... National Security Council Chief: No curfew in southernmost provinces MCOT - Feb. 11, 2013 http://www.mcot.net/...c4#.URjdrpi5Yg8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Chalerm Strikes Back At Sukampol I wonder which snake will deliver the final stike? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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