Does Marriage Help Out A Visa Application

[JonnyP]

I have known my girlfriend for over 6 months now and want her to come live with me in the uk.

i applied for a viancee visa for her in december but was declined but am unable to determine the exact reasons why.

I am not willing to give up on her for a long time yet !

Can anybody tell me what advantages apart from having 'pat' my g/f as my wife that marriage will give me for the thai visa.

i would like to travel there again and stay for 2-3 months and would like to return with pat

anybody got any ideas or suggestions ?

Ragards Jonny

[caughtintheact]

Some of the reasons that she could have been turned down are a lack of finances, a lack of a job to come back to, an inability to speak any English at all, or at worst having a social disease or other diseases or having a criminal record, or even terrorist associations. If the Brit Embassy operates under rules anything similar to the US Embassy, then she could be turned down "at the discretion of the consul" and no reason is needed other than someone didn't like her looks, didn't think she would get married there, didn't think that she was "worthy" of going there, or just about anything else....or even for no reason, "I just decided she was not suitable".

What you should do is ask the Brit Embassy why she was turned down. If they will not tell you, you should ask them if she will get refused if you marry her. If the answer is yes, then you know she has some unacceptable disease or she has a criminal record or something like that. You might also want to check the immigration regulations for your country to see what can preclude someone from being allowed to enter. Look at your Embassy in Thailand's web site...or the web site of your Foreign Ministry.

So to answer your question, you need to do a lot more homework before you even consider getting married. If you rush into marriage, then you might find yourself at home and her at home, with home being two different countries.

[JonnyP]

oh yes i certainly want to make sure my wife would not be 1000's of miles away as this would be worse than things are now.

i am struggling to find out how they take a stance towards married couples.

or failing this does anybody know any places that offer guranatees on uk settlement/holiday visa's ?

[lopburi3]

Although she should not need a job or money to obtain a finance visa (that is a requirement for tourists) have seen other reports that the UK Embassy deems a two year relationship as desirable. You should indeed be making inquiries to the Embassy and obtaining appeal information if desired. There is often a "father" type attitude taken by officials and this can be overcome by persistence.

But at the same time ask yourself if you really, really want to spend the rest of your life with this lady. Many folks do make mistakes in short term relationships.

[penelope]

Lets see :

1) you can't stay in LOS due to lack of finances/job prospects

2) she isn't of appropriate "calibre" to get a visa on her own

3) you are considering getting married for the purpose of facilitating a visa

mmmm.....

If I was an immy officer, I'd decline an application too.

My advice,

Be patient, take your time,get some credentials,build a relationship, build a well documented history together,live together(even if it means working a low paying teachers job), then consider overseas holidays and/or emigration, then consider marriage.

Everyone always wants results instantly.Sometimes you gotta suck it up and invest a bit more time.Rushing things will ineveitably cause more harm than good in the long term.If she really loves ya, she'll be patient too.

[pnustedt]

i applied for a viancee visa for her in december but was declined but am unable to determine the exact reasons why.

Your gf will have applied for the visa to visit the UK (not you) and if she has been refused she would have been notified why - that is British Consulate rules. I suggest you check out their web site. Also ask to see your gf's correspondence from the British Consulate.

I have found that things are easier once married but, then again, was never turned down when my wife was my gf.

I guess your gf has not been able to satisfy UK immigration that she meets the criteria that have been talked about previously in numerous threads.

[simon43]

Marrying her and then turning up at the British embassy for a visa might also be the worst action you can take. Think about it. She is your GF and was refused a visa. So you marry her and try again.

The previous posts have given good advice. You need to build a long-term relationship with her before you can win the confidence of the embassy staff that its not just a marriage of convenience.

Best of luck

Simon

[Digger]

I have known my girlfriend for over 6 months now and want her to come live with me in the uk.

i applied for a viancee visa for her in december but was declined but am unable to determine the exact reasons why.

I am not willing to give up on her for a long time yet !

Can anybody tell me what advantages apart from having 'pat' my g/f as my wife that marriage will give me for the thai visa.

i would like to travel there again and stay for 2-3 months and would like to return with pat

anybody got any ideas or suggestions ?

Ragards Jonny

Reading between the lines, I dont think you have much chance of getting a visa once they have declined it first time around, at least for a fiancee visa.

I think they ask her a lot of questions in her interview about the strength of the relationship and how long you have been together. If 6 months consists of a couple of 2 week holidays in somewhere like Pattaya or Phuket - its going to be hard to convince them that this is a serious relationship. I agree with others, you need to give it time and keep the relationship going.

Unfortunately many hundreds (probably thousands) have come before you asking the same thing and the embassy is probably able to say that XX% have failed.

I presume your girl has not been to the UK? has she travelled at all? Thais have a tendancy not to travel (long term) too well when they are away from their family & friends. I also think the British Embassy look closely at your financial status - i.e can you really afford to look after her, have a place of your own to live etc etc. History of travel, education level, her job, your financial stability etc all seem to play a part in the embassy decision despite their official line that it is primarily the girl they are interested in. After all, for something like a marriage/fianceee visa, they are effectively needing to agree that she can come and stay in the UK for a long time, perhaps permanently given the complete lack of ability in the UK of knowing if someone has left the country given that they dont stamp your passport any more upon departure.

Hope this helps, but I guess you need to think carefully about how you play this one out.

[JonnyP]

well i think i will take my time and play this out a bit slower.

i will now think about my next holiday there now and leave it for a while.

thanks for you posts.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

well i think i will take my time and play this out a bit slower.

i will now think about my next holiday there now and leave it for a while.

thanks for you posts.

A wise, wise decision Jonny. Hurry slowly is the way to go.

[lopburi3]

Agree with you and the dr that it is best to go a little slow. Be sure to keep good records (phone bills/photos/letters/whatever) in the hope that it works out. If it is for real you will still have a lifetime together; so take the time to be sure.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Agree with you and the dr that it is best to go a little slow. Be sure to keep good records (phone bills/photos/letters/whatever) in the hope that it works out. If it is for real you will still have a lifetime together; so take the time to be sure.

It is so easy to repent at leisure isn't it Lop ?

[lopburi3]

It is so easy to repent at leisure isn't it Lop ?

Can still recall love in Japan at age 19 and slowdown advise that there can be more than one girl who is right for you.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

It is so easy to repent at leisure isn't it Lop ?

Can still recall love in Japan at age 19 and slowdown advise that there can be more than one girl who is right for you.

I bet you found more than one girl who was right for you

[JonnyP]

Well i have recieved the letter of reason why she was rejected today and plan to speak to immigration tomorrow to discuss it and its chances of appeal.

i have decided to post there response in the interests of helping people who plan to try for this type of visa in the future.

she was rejected due to these points:

No copy of my passport showing thaialand travel dates.

No letter from myself supporting her application.

I did not attend the interview (Was unable to be there. )

She forgot my birthday ( Doh. talked about it aswell b4)

They say she cannot talk to me due to being unable to speak english. (she can and i talk to her for hours a day, but not to their standard) and as a result didnt believe my telephone bills showing an 0871 number for cheap calls were to her as they believe we couldnt communicate (If dialing tele companies instead, prove it)

No proof Of her telephoning me (She uses pay as you go. Any Ideas ? )

No Photographs taken (Have some but didnt know they were needed till now)

No Date of marriage

I hope this helps somebody and please please dont call me a fool for some of the things.

Heinsight is a great thing.

Many Thanks for you posts and any ideas for proving these point for appeal will be much welcomed.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

I don't know the Brit Immigration system Jonny, but I don't think your chances of appeal look good. You really failed to provide the slightest reason for them to approve the original application. Would they permit her to reapply... now that you have got that 20/20 hindsight vision?

[penelope]

Heinsight is a great thing.

Is that what you get when you drink too much Heinekin ??

Yes HINDSIGHT is a great thing, but thorough research,preparation,taking more time and attention to detail should have provided all the foresight necessary.

[pnustedt]

I don't think that you should appeal - your g/f's application seems to have been ill-prepared and you cannot fault the decision of the immigration officer. But you could re-apply. You will of course need to tick the box indicating previous rejection, produce the letter and answer all the points.

You should have no difficulty convincing the immigration officer that you can communicate if you are together and then he probably would believe that the calls were yours. The other reasons for the rejection are quite straightforward to fix.

However, you must make the time to attend next time. Your g/f will still have a private interview but the immigration officer will be happy to see you also and will make his job easier.

According to Brit. Immigration 93% of all applications are successful - so you have a good chance of being successful. Better luck next time!

[JonnyP]

Yeh Heinsight is from too many heiny's.

i sometimes get stellavision too.

The Visa dept. asked her to come back on thursday to provide more information eg. my passport, more info about her home, and anything else we feel fit.

can anybody understand why they would do this apart from to re-consider our application ?

i plan to send the following items to her to take.

Photos (Dated)

Letter inviting her to live with me b4 and after we marry in england.

pat is going to get a letter from the hotel to say they acknowledge us staying together and they gave her access to my key knowing she was my partner.

Screen shot from the website of the company i use for cheap calls. showing exact number on my bill is for calling thailand mobiles.

Copys Of My Passport And Entry / Exit Stamps.

Possibly a Letter From The Company I worked for there stating the dates etc..

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Any Ideas On What Else Will Prove Our Relationship ?

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Copies of your passport pages showing Thailand arrival and departure dates. Some sort of written statement evidencing your employment stability and financial ability to care for the lady in the UK.

[penelope]

Does she have a job ? if so a letter from her employer stating her job and time off approval.

Does she go to uni ? if so a letter from her dean

[lopburi3]

Does she have a job ? if so a letter from her employer stating her job and time off approval.

Does she go to uni ? if so a letter from her dean

She is going to get married and would not be expected to return to Thailand. These are useful for tourist visas.

Still think a go slow period might be in order as few Thai without overseas living experience are likely to find the UK a welcome climate. If you plan to return to working in Thailand the odds might be a little better but are still stacked against you. But wish you the best in whatever you do.

[farangnoi]

I don't know the system in the UK, but for the Dutch you have to marry first in Thailand, before we could submit in the dutch marriageregister (all the weddingpapers had to be translated in English and legallised by the dutch Ambassy and The Thai minister of foreignaffairs)

other things needed: proof of income not less then 1080 euro, letter of guarantee, employerstatement, salarislips, bank statements (with salarideposits and rentpayments), copy passport all pages, rental contract from my appartment, resident statement,birthcertificate, statement your are single/devorced.

MAybe you can take a look on www.ind.nl (in english aswell) but it will give you basicallly an idea what we have to do to bring our women here.

. So take you time and do your research Johnny, i was a few time disapointed aswell but My wife is now here with me in Amsterdam since nov-2003, and this monday march 1 we finaly have a appointment with Immigration.

Good luck and cha cha bou bou