Pc, Progress Or Not

[opothai]

what supid laws from your own country do you think are plain daft

, i,ll start you with a couple

in the uk, over the years the pc brigade and people that know better than the average man, woman or child how we should lead our lives, come up with little gems.

well it used to be funny when we had golly <deleted> banned,

now we are saying bye bye to baa baa black sheep

it is going to be bye bye RAINBOW sheep

in one state in the usa they have banned the right of women to have an abortion, and get this EVEN in the case of incestuous relations and rape.

i'm sure thailand must have some but any country will do.

i await with baited breath

[jayenram]

now we are saying bye bye to baa baa black sheep

I hope this doesn't mean the end of Black Sheep Ales.

http://www.blacksheepbrewery.com/beers/cask.cfm

[cdnvic]

in one state in the usa they have banned the right of women to have an abortion, and get this EVEN in the case of incestuous relations and rape.

Please name the state and your sources. Though some have limits on late term abortions, the supreme court in the US ruled on abortion more than 30yrs ago and deemed it unconstitutional to ban it.

cv

[opothai]

in one state in the usa they have banned the right of women to have an abortion, and get this EVEN in the case of incestuous relations and rape.

Please name the state and your sources. Though some have limits on late term abortions, the supreme court in the US ruled on abortion more than 30yrs ago and deemed it unconstitutional to ban it.

cv

i believe it is alabama, not 100%

source itv news at 10.30. uk

it is going before the supreme court, of which they have two new conservative member judges, and some are sure it will be upheld.

no doubt it will be in the papers later today.

[Kerryd]

in one state in the usa they have banned the right of women to have an abortion, and get this EVEN in the case of incestuous relations and rape.

Please name the state and your sources. Though some have limits on late term abortions, the supreme court in the US ruled on abortion more than 30yrs ago and deemed it unconstitutional to ban it.

cv

It was also reported on Fox this morning (Thai time )

The people behind the legislation are from the far-right (religious) segment. They know this law goes against the Roe vs Wade decision made by the Supreme Court all those years ago. They also know that GWB has managed to swing the court to the right with the appointments of Justice Roberts and Alito.

That is why there is a spate of these laws being pushed in various states. They think they can get Roe vs Wade overturned.

What irks me is the total ban they are proposing. If they get their way, every girl/women that gets pregnant through an act of rape or incest will be forced to bear that child. (Remember that in many cases, inter-breeding (incest), whether it be voluntary or forced, can lead to children that suffer from many medical problems).

As for the rape-induced pregnancies, that girl/woman that suffered the rape would have to live with results of it until at least the birth of the child.

In either case, she would then be able to offer it up for adoption, but what if no one wants it ? She would be forced to raise that child and pay for all the expenses (medical or other).

In effect, she would be punished for life, for being the victim of an act of rape or incest.

That is part of what could happen if the people behind the abortion ban get their way.

[wolf5370]

Not so much laws as bylaws and 'office policies'...

In England you can not fly the George Cross (the flag of England) in many London boroughs because it causes offence! It is OK to fly other British flags (Scottish, Welsh or N. Ireland) or foreign flags of course.

Government offices in England banned pigs from the office - including money boxes, posters or calendars, toys, badges and mousemats etc as they might offend Muslims! Banks have also followed suit and do not have piggy-banks anymore. On the day this was announced, a London radio show urged muslims to call in with their objections - nearly to a man (or woman) those that phoned in where incensed at the stupid ruling brought about by one pathetic Muslim woman complaining at a Gov office about a poster showing Piglet from Winnie-the-Pooh!!!

In schools we now have to say Chalk Board (although its OK to say White Board for PC and dry marker boards!).

Raising funds for Christian charities has been banned in Gov offices and many other business offices - including the Red Cross and most 3rd world charities! Other non-Christian charities are OK.

Westminster Council has just backed down after a momentous upcry after they withdrew the funding of an annual Christmas Carol service for victims of a rail disaster (tube fire) as it was not inclusive for all faiths. However, the church pointed out that the door was not batrred for non-Christians and the media took up the mantle.

Tony Blair tired of a protestor camping out across the road from Palace of Westminster (Houses of Parliament), so had a law drawn up to make it illegal to protest within a certain distance from Westminster (1 Km). A woman was arrested for standing at the cenataph and reading out a list of names of British soldiers killed in Iraq. Another woman was arrested for having a tea party on the green (common land) opposite West Minster as she was objecting to the very law (she was released without charge). Some democracy, eh?

[Kerryd]

Some democracy, eh?

I agree with most of the instances you described. How long will it be before suddenly you won't be able to have bacon in the morning, or ham at supper ?

This is an example of the intolerance that some of these people show towards others not of their faith. It is also an example of how scared the various levels of government are. Few, if any, are willing to stand up for the rights of the majority of their own citizens, for fear of angering a tiny minority.

How ever, even democracy has to have limits. Without those limits, you wouldn't have democracy, you'd have anarchy.

Some people believe they should have the freedom to do what ever they want, when ever, where ever and to who ever they feel like.

That is not democracy, that is chaos.

Those people have the rights and freedoms to express their views because they live in a society that has rules, and the willingness to enforce those rules if required. Many of those people have come to the conclusion that they have a right to violate those rules, without any understanding of why the rules were put there in the first place.

They literally bite the hand that feeds them, by using their rights and freedoms to protest against limits on those same rights and freedoms. They have no idea of the consequences that would occur if the limits on those freedoms were removed.

Imagine how well a government would operate if everyday a group of protestors stormed into the legislature and disrupted the proceedings. What if groups of environmental protestors staged sit-down protests in the middle of busy intersections everyday ? What if groups of AA members decide to attack liquor stores and bars in protest ?

Where does it stop ? Without limits on your rights and freedoms, almost anything could be considered fair game.

Most of the more progressive countries in the world follow the idea of "majority" rule. Laws are passed based on what is determined to be best for the majority of their citizens.

It is ironic that those progressive countries seem to attract large groups of people eager to live with those rights and freedoms, who then use those liberties to attack the very same institutions that give them their freedom !

They should be given the choice: Live in our country and follow our rules, or go back to where you came from.

How many would choose to return to their home countries ?

[steveromagnino]

They should be given the choice: Live in our country and follow our rules, or go back to where you came from.

How many would choose to return to their home countries ?

I agree with much of the sentiment... and this line seems somewhat familiar (as a non majority person in the country I grew up)....

So... who exactly do you think you your country is 'not following the rules' and which rules did you have in mind that they are not following?

Just so I have it clear in my mind :-)

[opothai]

Not so much laws as bylaws and 'office policies'...

In England you can not fly the George Cross (the flag of England) in many London boroughs because it causes offence! It is OK to fly other British flags (Scottish, Welsh or N. Ireland) or foreign flags of course.

Government offices in England banned pigs from the office - including money boxes, posters or calendars, toys, badges and mousemats etc as they might offend Muslims! Banks have also followed suit and do not have piggy-banks anymore. On the day this was announced, a London radio show urged muslims to call in with their objections - nearly to a man (or woman) those that phoned in where incensed at the stupid ruling brought about by one pathetic Muslim woman complaining at a Gov office about a poster showing Piglet from Winnie-the-Pooh!!!

In schools we now have to say Chalk Board (although its OK to say White Board for PC and dry marker boards!).

Raising funds for Christian charities has been banned in Gov offices and many other business offices - including the Red Cross and most 3rd world charities! Other non-Christian charities are OK.

i did read about some silly councils objecting but i did not realise they could ban the english flag, but london is the capitol,

what are you going to fly for the world cup and even more to the point the olympic games in a couple of years.

the piggy bank and piggy mouse things, well thats a beauty,

white board when it's black

the christian fund raising i've seen before, crazy

not to upset any body would be impossible, but to have laws made to curb some of these trivial actions is going to lead to a mlid form of dictatorship ending up with one persons perceptions on pc.

and freedom of speech severly impaired in a so called democratic society.

[wolf5370]

The danger with these sort of idiotic 'rules' is that it actually works against the people that they are trying to protect. Often the consensus of people of the 'protected race etc' do not have a problem with the target of the restriction or simply do not agree with the outcome.

LBC (radio station) picks up on these policies in London and gets the affected people to ring in. Its just about always a whitewash and the protected people think its at best stupid and at worse dangerous.

It just gives a target for the racists.

[Kerryd]

So... who exactly do you think you your country is 'not following the rules' and which rules did you have in mind that they are not following?

Just so I have it clear in my mind :-)

Well, I did try to answer your post, but it appears my reply was removed (perhaps to inflammatory ? I had listed specific instances (without names, but some nationalities were noted) that had occurred in Canada, mostly in the late 90's/early 2000's).

Best not to get too specific, least ye be labelled something nasty.

I still say, the first victim of Political Correctness is the Truth.

Sad, but true.

[suegha]

Kerryd wrote, "I still say, the first victim of Political Correctness is the Truth. Sad, but true."

I couldn't agree more, well said!

[Phil Conners]

One word:

Rediculous!

[bkkjosh]

In Australia recently, our coalition government has passed a law allowing police to hold a terrorist suspect for up to 14 days without pressing charges. Apparently the bill was rushed through parliament... I can't help but feel Australia doesn't need to mimick the USA's every move....