Pheu Thai Party Is Pushing Forward To Annul Sukhumband's Win

[h90]

all i can say is that its time thai polticians grew up and acted like responsible people and not like little children who have had their favorite toy taken away from them . the people of this country deserve much better than these dummy spits .

They act like grew up people. Everywhere on the world people sue each other for money. Apple against Samsung, etc etc.

win or loose makes a difference of billions....

[Buchholz]

If he's done no wrong then he won't fear the court's judgement as we know the Thai court's do not reach political verdicts, don't we?

Exactly. There were no political motives whatsoever behind the verdict of the man in Dubai.

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Not exactly.

There is no court judgement to fear.

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[Buchholz]

Remember how the former PM Samak was brought down..and how they tried to do the same to Yingluck when she was campaigning for the general election..

So what the fuss.?????

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Coincidence how the same offense....perjury.... brought down Thaksin (ver. 2.0) and nearly Thaksin (ver.4.0)

His proxies struggle so much with being honest.

And when the charge the opposition with an offense.... ironically it's them taking offense for the opposition being honest in talking about them.

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Edited March 12, 2013 by Buchholz

[Mampara]

In my opinion as well as many others. We are really getting very tiered of all this backbiting every time there is some-kind of voting and the public are asked for their opinion the result either gets annulled or cancelled or something else. we are really getting very tiered of all this bickering from both parties, perhaps its time to look at an alternative source of government.What do you think?

Edited March 12, 2013 by Mampara

[khunken]

Reading the 'complaints' just makes one wonder how more frivolous can PTP & its acolytes get?

Jurin said......

Abhisit & Chavanond listened........

Suthep slandered.....

Jurin (again) slandered.......

Korn slandered........

Issara slandered.........

Sirichok posts......

Abhisit (again) remarked........

Seree remarked........

All of this so-called relevance to Sukhumband on top of the DSI's even more frivolous charges of 'illegal method of making party donations'.

Don't PTP have a country to run?

[djjamie]

All I can say is actions speak louder than words. Quote below from thairedshirts brainwashing web site aimed at foriegners that don't have an excuse for following the lying criminal scum.

UDD co-leaders congratulated Mr Sukhumband on a fair and clean victory in Bangkok’s gubernatorial elections on Sunday.

Dr Weng said,

We would like to congratulate Mr Sukhumband and welcome him again as the governor of Bangkok.

The UDD leadership welcomed the election as proof that good democratic practice is getting stronger in Bangkok.

Dr Weng added,We want to thank Bangkokians for defying the rain and going out to vote. It is crucial for us to express this right because, in so doing, we strengthen democracy in Thailand.

Edited March 13, 2013 by metisdead
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[ratcatcher]

In my opinion as well as many others. We are really getting very tiered of all this backbiting every time there is some-kind of voting and the public are asked for their opinion the result either gets annulled or cancelled or something else. we are really getting very tiered of all this bickering from both parties, perhaps its time to look at an alternative source of government.What do you think?

I assume you are a Thai person otherwise why worry, you can do nothing about it.

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[Skywalker69]

PTP you lost Bangkok, get over it.

[Bluespunk]

"Please sir, please sir, he said something bad about me sir". Pathetic, puerile, sore losers. Absolute losers on more than the election front. The problem is that this bunch of whining children have an army of thugs at their beck and call to do as they will. Powerful, wealthy and unwilling to accept fact that democracy means you do lose sometimes. Does not bode well for next general election.

Edited March 12, 2013 by Bluespunk

[bigbamboo]

Remember how the former PM Samak was brought down..and how they tried to do the same to Yingluck when she was campaigning for the general election..

So what the fuss.?????

Well, if the courts would be able/willing to do a better job, YS would be shopping in Paris---forever!

Correct. Normally perjury under oath is a criminal offence. And we all know she commited perjury under oath.

So if Thailand had this truly upstanding, transparent justice system then both Sukhamband and Yingluck would be disqualified from office and then there would have to be new elections in BKK and nationally. But would there be any Shinawatras left who aren't either banned and on the run or just banned? The kids perhaps?

They could make a soap about Thai politics!

Oh wait, they already did, only that got banned too.

Edited March 12, 2013 by bigbamboo

[khaowong1]

Let me see now

Pongsapat said he would cooperate with Sukhumbhand

and Yingluck said her government would work closely with Sukhumbhand

Now they are trying to get him disqualified. This is what happens when people say things be for checking with Dubai.

Do those wannabe dictators really think the voters of Bangkok are going to be fooled.

Yes, they do think so, and No, they don't give a shit as long as they control the power..

[khaowong1]

In my opinion as well as many others. We are really getting very tiered of all this backbiting every time there is some-kind of voting and the public are asked for their opinion the result either gets annulled or cancelled or something else. we are really getting very tiered of all this bickering from both parties, perhaps its time to look at an alternative source of government.What do you think?

I'm probably way off base here, but at this point in Thailand, obviously Democracy ain't working, they don't seem to be ready for it, they don't seem to be able to grasp the concept. So, what's left, a Monarchy? It worked for several hundred years, maybe it could work here again.. just saying..

[Greer]

This all smacks of the earlier times when the TRT was clutching at power and would do anything to retain it - this is the problem when you elect a dictator once - you find it extremely difficult to get rid of them.

[EyesWideOpen]

Wow this is some great brinkmanship.... (not !! ) So if they actually pull it off and void the election ,then what will happen ?? The yellow shirts go wild in Bangkok?

Sometimes I am really glad I am not a citizen here. If things get crazy here, myself and the other farangs will just jump on a jet and leave. It it

the Thais who will bear the brunt of any major social uprising..

[FarmerJoe]

So what happens if they succeed in getting the victory nullified. They themselves would not be able to meet the standards they say the Democrats did not meet.

Would the next candidate in the list of top vote getter's take over.

Or would there be an election again. That I believe would crush the PT. It would give the average man in the street the chance to give his opinion of the manipulating practices of the PT to achieve the means to complete control of the corruption gravy train they are on.

The ones who didn't vote for them in the first place would never vote for them now and the ones who did vote for them would see more of the rotten side of the PTP even some of the red shirts would be able to see it unless they went back to the red shirt school for democracy for a refresher brain wash course.

Spot on. If they went ahead with a new election, they would lose by much more.

Then again, PTP might find a way to register the up country reds as Bangkok residents. Or even dead people for that matter. I wouldn't put it past them. And they wouldn't have to pay them either.

Edited March 12, 2013 by FarmerJoe

[hellodolly]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another reason why the people of Bangkok did not vote for the PTP.

Well, the race was quite tight and nearly half of them did vote for PTP...

You might want to recheck the results you people lost by a margin of 7%. You got far less than half the votes. If you manage to force this into a new election you won't even be in the also ran's.

[hellodolly]

Remember how the former PM Samak was brought down..and how they tried to do the same to Yingluck when she was campaigning for the general election..

So what the fuss.?????

Well from my point of view it should be an incredible amount of fuss. Not about what they are trying to do to the Democrats. That is the level of their idea of good government.

But the rank and file PTP should be up in arms as this is only making them look worse than they already are in the eves of the public.

[hellodolly]

I can't wait to leave this loser country...it never ends....there's always some new scurrilous happening to beat the pants off the previous one....disgusting Thailand.....I mean miracle Thailand.

Out of curiosity how has it hurt you and why have you stayed so long if it is that bad?

You are right they are a scurvy lot but they don't affect me any. Kind of like entertainment watching the childish games that they think are so clever.

[hellodolly]

all i can say is that its time thai polticians grew up and acted like responsible people and not like little children who have had their favorite toy taken away from them . the people of this country deserve much better than these dummy spits .

I agree with you 100%

Unfortunately before they grow up they have to sink to new lows of depravity so that the people will realize they are worth much better. At the moment the PTP could not have found a better man than Thaksin to lead them down the hill to utter depravity,

[hellodolly]

In my opinion as well as many others. We are really getting very tiered of all this backbiting every time there is some-kind of voting and the public are asked for their opinion the result either gets annulled or cancelled or something else. we are really getting very tiered of all this bickering from both parties, perhaps its time to look at an alternative source of government.What do you think?

That would require an alternative source of amusement. Politics in Thailand for the majority of expats is a spectator sport.

[rubl]

Remember how the former PM Samak was brought down..and how they tried to do the same to Yingluck when she was campaigning for the general election..

So what the fuss.?????

Well from my point of view it should be an incredible amount of fuss. Not about what they are trying to do to the Democrats. That is the level of their idea of good government.

But the rank and file PTP should be up in arms as this is only making them look worse than they already are in the eves of the public.

During the 2011 elections both main parties accused the other of cooking and providing food to possible voters. Of course the late Samak's offence was more serious, I mean anyone who uses coka cola as ingredient to a Thai dish should face more than just being forced to step down, quartering and marinating comes to mind . Actually k. Samak was forced to step down not because of cooking, but because of accepting some payments (however small) and lying about it. The MP's could have re-elected him the next day, but our popular criminal fugitive thought his brother-in-law Somchai a better choice with k. Samak being more independent sometimes than his master liked. It's only in this latest Bangkok governor election that Thaksin seemed to have choosen wrongly, the telephone pole might have had a better chance. IMHO of course

Still waiting for details as to what happens if the governor-elect gets disqualified. Number two automatically declared winner? New elections? In the mean time two months without governor to steer the BMA officials and set up policies for the good of Bangkok people.

[timewilltell]

So what happens if they succeed in getting the victory nullified. They themselves would not be able to meet the standards they say the Democrats did not meet.

Would the next candidate in the list of top vote getter's take over.

Or would there be an election again. That I believe would crush the PT. It would give the average man in the street the chance to give his opinion of the manipulating practices of the PT to achieve the means to complete control of the corruption gravy train they are on.

The ones who didn't vote for them in the first place would never vote for them now and the ones who did vote for them would see more of the rotten side of the PTP even some of the red shirts would be able to see it unless they went back to the red shirt school for democracy for a refresher brain wash course.

I think you assume the man in the street in this country - especially the ones who vote for PTP - are far more astute than is the reality. It is reminiscent of my primary school where the bully would take what he wants and where any logical argument would be downtrodden by facile, childish remarks - along the lines of 'I'm bigger than you so I'm right!'

When you look at these pathetic politicians it makes one sad for the country. Everyone knows they are only there for the riches they acquire through corruption, but the way they behave exposes the true nature of the Thai mentality, Thai culture and the mindsets of the masses who vote for them.

[chrisrazz]

NFT. Normal for Thailand. The law, coups and elections all end the same way. A small group with their grubby fingers in the pie. Whoever thinks one side better then the other is sadly mistaken, they are all the same and will continue to be the same until the gravy train is derailed. Is there anyone with the power and the guts to take that job on? I think not.

[rubl]

NFT. Normal for Thailand. The law, coups and elections all end the same way. A small group with their grubby fingers in the pie. Whoever thinks one side better then the other is sadly mistaken, they are all the same and will continue to be the same until the gravy train is derailed. Is there anyone with the power and the guts to take that job on? I think not.

So, what's your view on the topic itself ?

[muttley]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another reason why the people of Bangkok did not vote for the PTP.

Well, the race was quite tight and nearly half of them did vote for PTP...

Rather less than voted for PTP in the national election, who used rather more illegal tactics.

Which were amply documented and investigated by the Election Commission, just exactly where, OzMick?

I believe there were one or two red cards and a few yellows? You keep on mentioning these infractions but what were they unless only you and not the EC were aware of them?

[OzMick]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is yet another reason why the people of Bangkok did not vote for the PTP.

Well, the race was quite tight and nearly half of them did vote for PTP...

Rather less than voted for PTP in the national election, who used rather more illegal tactics.

Which were amply documented and investigated by the Election Commission, just exactly where, OzMick?

I believe there were one or two red cards and a few yellows? You keep on mentioning these infractions but what were they unless only you and not the EC were aware of them?

Stop whining! There were many news reports and even threads on TVF re the EC investigating PTP's use of banned politicians (Thaksin) in their election campaign, and the putting forward of unsuitable candidates (Jatuporn and other red shirts facing serious criminal charges). The decision was deferred several times and has eventually faded from view, IMHO due to the threat of violence from PTP supporters.

Were you not in the country at the time?

[rubl]

The possible election fraud now and in 2011 is like the allegation that k. Thaksin told with Southern Thailands rebel groups in Malaysia. No details, a few posters asked "where is the proof? No proof? Therefore not true". Today we have a topic confirming that Thaksin's denial was actually a lie.

I'm afraid that with k. Thaksin skyping in his orders, it's only the Election Commission which doesn't think there's anything wrong with the way the current government was elected / formed. With that conclusion anything which this current government does may be illegal.

PS IMHO of course

[muttley]

Rather less than voted for PTP in the national election, who used rather more illegal tactics.

Which were amply documented and investigated by the Election Commission, just exactly where, OzMick?

I believe there were one or two red cards and a few yellows? You keep on mentioning these infractions but what were they unless only you and not the EC were aware of them?

Stop whining! There were many news reports and even threads on TVF re the EC investigating PTP's use of banned politicians (Thaksin) in their election campaign, and the putting forward of unsuitable candidates (Jatuporn and other red shirts facing serious criminal charges). The decision was deferred several times and has eventually faded from view, IMHO due to the threat of violence from PTP supporters.

Were you not in the country at the time?

I'll remember that one, if you don't agree with Oz micks spurious statements that the PTP won the last National Election using illegal means, it's what's known as whining.

Now surely logic would show that if the Election Commission had a problem with that Election it would have been made public by now and the continual harping on about banned politicians and "unsuitable" candidates over an election fairly won would in itself constitute "Whining". But who I am I to say, Oz mick was "in" the country which makes all the difference apparently.

Personally I will neither confirm or deny whether I was in the "country" at the time - purely and simply because it's the most ridiculous "method" of assessing veracity of Thai Political knowledge that I know of, but if it suits you..........

[Pi Sek]

Rather less than voted for PTP in the national election, who used rather more illegal tactics.

Which were amply documented and investigated by the Election Commission, just exactly where, OzMick?

I believe there were one or two red cards and a few yellows? You keep on mentioning these infractions but what were they unless only you and not the EC were aware of them?

Stop whining! There were many news reports and even threads on TVF re the EC investigating PTP's use of banned politicians (Thaksin) in their election campaign, and the putting forward of unsuitable candidates (Jatuporn and other red shirts facing serious criminal charges). The decision was deferred several times and has eventually faded from view, IMHO due to the threat of violence from PTP supporters.

Were you not in the country at the time?

I'll remember that one, if you don't agree with Oz micks spurious statements that the PTP won the last National Election using illegal means, it's what's known as whining.

Now surely logic would show that if the Election Commission had a problem with that Election it would have been made public by now and the continual harping on about banned politicians and "unsuitable" candidates over an election fairly won would in itself constitute "Whining". But who I am I to say, Oz mick was "in" the country which makes all the difference apparently.

Personally I will neither confirm or deny whether I was in the "country" at the time - purely and simply because it's the most ridiculous "method" of assessing veracity of Thai Political knowledge that I know of, but if it suits you..........

Actually I see no problem with "unsuitable" candidates such as Jatuporn, as long as fulfill the fairly loose criteria to run as a candidate. However, the Thaksin issue is a different one - regardless of whether he is a suitable or unsuitable candidate, he was banned from politics. That's why some argue that the 2011 election should have been annulled. (Personally, I see it as good reason to annul the election, but previous - and far more severe - infractions from all sides have been tolerated, so I don't think annulling the last election would be reasonable in this case, even if the outcome ends up with catastrophic consequences.)

When he denied his involvement, the EC couldn't really do much (and probably were glad about this). As mentioned above, what proof was there? But we see now that he is involved, to the extent that he's now giving orders to the cabinet via Skype. OK, his ban is up now and he's allowed to be involved in politics... but he wasn't during the 2011 election and I find it a little hard to believe that MPs would give him any time unless he actually was involved all along.

So, I assume this is where the "whining" comments come from.

Anyway, back on topic, PTP are of course within their rights to go for Sukhumband. I personally hope it backfires, as the "other side" took their 2011 defeat quite well and I think it would be becoming to allow the Democrats the same courtesy, particularly since Yinglak pledged her support to the BMA under Sukhumband.

Lines may have been crossed, but I think I have just highlighted above that sometimes these lines have to be smudged, especially in a younger democracy, for the good of the peace.

[candypants]

Let me see now

Pongsapat said he would cooperate with Sukhumbhand

and Yingluck said her government would work closely with Sukhumbhand

Now they are trying to get him disqualified. This is what happens when people say things be for checking with Dubai.

Do those wannabe dictators really think the voters of Bangkok are going to be fooled.

thing of it is, they could not care less if they are fooled, the electorates collective amnesia will kick in as it always does and all will be forgotten.

Meanwhile PTP will control the capital