Falkland Islanders Vote To Remain British

[Jingthing]

No. My posts have already addressed all that. Trying to make this personal like you are is just silly.

[Thaddeus]

Just because you keep repeating that Argentina has a valid claim doesn't make it true, either.

The vast majority of Argentinians agree the claim is valid so objectively "valid" or not it isn't a demand that will easily go away ... ever.

The vast majority of Argentinians think that way because their Gov propaganda machine tells them they have a valid claim, which they don't......... that is all.

[7by7]

Just because you keep repeating that Argentina has a valid claim doesn't make it true, either.

The vast majority of Argentinians agree the claim is valid so objectively "valid" or not it isn't a demand that will easily go away ... ever.

The vast majority of Chinese people, if asked, would say that China's claims to Tibet and Taiwan are valid.

Do you agree with them as you agree with the Argentines?

[GentlemanJim]

If people would take time and effort to look at the actual history of the Falkland Islands you would determine in an objective fashion that Argentina has no claim on them whatsoever. Cuba is in close proximity to the USA (much closer than the Falklands are to Argentina), that does not make Cuba, part of the USA. There are many on here who think proximity seems to be the issue, but in truth that is no issue at all. The British were on that rock long before any Argentinian ever knew it existed, and now that it looks like there could be vast oil deposits around there, Argentina wants 'it back'. The FACT is that Argentina never had it in the first place. There were no humans there only penquins, the British did not displace anyone. The Islanders consider themselves British and that is the end of it really. Unless you would expect every non-indigenous person to leave the United States and return to the country where their family resided 250 years ago then you cannot expect the Falkland Islanders to be anything other than British.

[Jingthing]

Just because you keep repeating that Argentina has a valid claim doesn't make it true, either.

The vast majority of Argentinians agree the claim is valid so objectively "valid" or not it isn't a demand that will easily go away ... ever.

The vast majority of Argentinians think that way because their Gov propaganda machine tells them they have a valid claim, which they don't......... that is all.

They are a civilized democratic people just like the British. I see no point insulting the proud patriotic Argentinians. Yes they are taught a different version of history with a bias towards their country. ALL countries do that.

The PR vote of the islanders is a thing. The deep feelings of the Argentinian people is also a thing. I think in the long run ... a BIGGER thing. Time will tell.

Edited March 18, 2013 by Jingthing

[7by7]

No. My posts have already addressed all that. Trying to make this personal like you are is just silly.

Not trying to make it personal; I'm trying to get you to justify your position.

But even you know that you can't defend the indefensible and what you say in the above quote proves it.

Edited March 18, 2013 by 7by7

[Chicog]

Just because you keep repeating that Argentina has a valid claim doesn't make it true, either.

The vast majority of Argentinians agree the claim is valid so objectively "valid" or not it isn't a demand that will easily go away ... ever.

It doesn't actually matter what the Argentinian people are led to think by their leaders.

There are Argentinians that criticise their government for trying to use the Falklands to distract from their disastrous economic policies.

...a group of Argentina's leading intellectuals, historians, journalists, constitutional experts and politicians have published an open letter calling on their own government to rethink policy towards the islands they call the Malvinas branding it "crazy" and "absurd".

The 17 signatories accused Mrs Kirchner's government of "harassing" the Falklands population of 3,000, who overwhelmingly want the islands to remain a British Overseas Territory.

The group said Argentina must respect the islanders' right to self-determination and give up its policy of trying to force Britain into negotiating sovereignty.

"It is truly absurd and crazy to force a government and sovereignty on people who do not want it," commented Fernando Iglesias, a former congressman who co-authored the document.

[Jingthing]

No. My posts have already addressed all that. Trying to make this personal like you are is just silly.

Not trying to make it personal; I'm trying to get you to justify your position.

But even you know that you can't defend the iindefensible and the above quote proves it.

You are welcome to stop responding to my posts then and also to stop saying I am against democracy for the 100th time, just because I see the PR vote of the islanders differently than someone steeped in British propaganda.

Edited March 18, 2013 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Just because you keep repeating that Argentina has a valid claim doesn't make it true, either.

The vast majority of Argentinians agree the claim is valid so objectively "valid" or not it isn't a demand that will easily go away ... ever.

It doesn't actually matter what the Argentinian people are led to think by their leaders.

There are Argentinians that criticise their government for trying to use the Falklands to distract from their disastrous economic policies.

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...a group of Argentina's leading intellectuals, historians, journalists, constitutional experts and politicians have published an open letter calling on their own government to rethink policy towards the islands they call the Malvinas branding it "crazy" and "absurd".

The 17 signatories accused Mrs Kirchner's government of "harassing" the Falklands population of 3,000, who overwhelmingly want the islands to remain a British Overseas Territory.

The group said Argentina must respect the islanders' right to self-determination and give up its policy of trying to force Britain into negotiating sovereignty.

"It is truly absurd and crazy to force a government and sovereignty on people who do not want it," commented Fernando Iglesias, a former congressman who co-authored the document.

Indeed, modern Argentina is a democracy and has free speech and open dissent. But the fact remains the majority of Argentinians passionately feel they own the islands.

[cdnvic]

No. My posts have already addressed all that. Trying to make this personal like you are is just silly.

Not trying to make it personal; I'm trying to get you to justify your position.

But even you know that you can't defend the iindefensible and the above quote proves it.

You are welcome to stop responding to my posts then and also to stop saying I am against democracy for the 100th time, just because I see the PR vote of the islanders differently than someone steeped in British propaganda.

Both of you can stop your incessant bickering or we can do it for you. Your choice.

[GentlemanJim]

Jingthing

I find it kind of amusing that you can say that most Argentinians believe the Falklands to be theirs and should therefore be listened to, but think it acceptable that Palestinians can be raped of their lands. You are missing out one vital bit of evidence in your attempt to portray the Falklands as Argentinian, no Argentinians had ever set foot on the place! The British were there for years and when the Navy got bored they decided to leave for a few years, effectively abandoning the place. The Island was so desolate and isolated that even then Argentina decided not to inhabit the place or lay claim to it. The British Navy popped back a few years later and surprise surprise still the same old British whalers and shepherds, not a single Argentinian in site, so set up camp where they had left off and it has been British ever since. Your argument is a nonsense.

I have a good friend who is Uruguayan, and living there, and they all know the Falklands are British, and should be, they even refer to the Islands as the Falklands NOT the Malvina's. Now Uruguay is just across the river from Argentina, and because it has the best beaches in South America, many Argentinians would like it to belong to them. Do they have a claim?

Edited March 18, 2013 by GentlemanJim

[cdnvic]

I don't see this going anywhere but in circles. Enough is enough.