Anti-government Rally Thread 13-25 March

[ColPyat]

Apart from other things, I took three M-16 rounds shot by the death squads to protect school children who had inadvertantly crossed into the field of fire.

Good. Why though did it never make the news that a farang was shot and wounded during the drugwar?

And please explain me why Chamlong the Buddhist did do <deleted> all even though his voice would have stopped the slaughter far earlier than when the national human rights commision started making a case after two months of nearly unhindered slaughter?

[jdinasia]

Yeppers ... that's me ... a simple buffoon!

Sticking to the "Tyranny of Democracy" is obviously way better than using a legal loophole in the constitution to give breathing room for all parties and a chance to do some much needed work on the constitution to insure that further abuses like this cannot happen!

Thailand should just let Thaksin stay in office forever as long as he can push through populist measures that assure him of having a powerbase with rural farmers! Forget the middle-class that will have to pay the bills on this! Forget that there is only so much land that can be given away! Forget that religious and ethnic minorities feel persecuted and left out of the entire process! Just make it a "democratic vote"!

You are right! I am a total convert! I hope the voters keep Thaksin for life instead of using the system that allows them to petition for redress from abuse!

The ethnic minorities have never been treated humane by any government in Thailand.

NO NO NO! you have me sold already! You are right the ethnic malays have never been treated well here! (niether have ethnic Chinese for that matter!!) remember .. you have me sold already! no need to preach to the choir!

Land has to be given away to the poor, unfortunately Thaksin talks only about giving land away, but in fact gives very little. Land has to be taken away from the ones who hold it illegaly, Thaksin only takes the land of the small fry, but leaves the big boys alone, especially the ones in his own party. But that is also not so very different from any other government. He only puts in into a more clever package.

Of course land has to be given away! That is obvious! New cars and houses and blocks of gold and even week long cruises have to be given away too! We haven't talked about evicting squatters but hel_l ... why not! Let's evict the hill tribes right along with the shrimp farms that are on government land!

The largest damage to the economical future has been done already years ago when easy loans were given out in huge amounts. Nowadays he talks more about the loans than actually giving them out. Both the middle class and the poor will have to pay the bill for this. Another government won't be able to turn this tide around.

<huh?>

I would just like to see that at the point the economy crashes again (which it will) that Thaksin is still in power so that it can be clear to everyone that he with his populist policies is the one to blame. This might be a lesson Thailand needs in order to develop further.

Yes Yes Yes!! We all want to see the economy crash again! You are so right! Much better to have a banking/economic crash that hurts everyone than anything that disrupts a concept like democracy!! Can't be with you more! You Go!!! Tell it like it is!

Nothing is forever. Thaksin won't be there forever. His Thaksinomics have already crashed bitterly as his consumer spending fuelled economy has not happened. What saved his arse was increased exports, the complete opposite of Thaksinomics. The EGAT ruling is gonna give Thaksin far more headaches than the demonstration as it deprives him of much needed cash to keep the bubble from bursting.

Yes I agree fully!! Waiting is best! We can certainly wait through another mass killing in the South ... that won't matter! Yes!!! We can wait through for another "war on drugs" . We can wait through more underhanded business deals! Much better than forcing him out now!

If left alone Thaksin will most definately be his own undoing.

These demonstrations are premature, and counterproductive. They give Thaksin an excuse to blame somebody else for his own mistakes, just as he has blamed years ago the evil foreigners and the Chuan government for the financial crises, in which he himself was substantially part of as a businessman and a deputy prime minister under Chavalit.

Yes I agree! Much better to leave a despot in power than to peacefully organize demonstrations and look for ways out of the abuse!

But this is beyond our great PAD leaders. Because their main issue always was the "sale of the country". They were very much on Thaksin's side when the mood was against the evil foreigners.

Yes Yes Yes! Those nasty people never did anything before the sale of Shin! Sondhi never organized rallies in Lumpini!! They are focussing on something trivial!

Chamlong himself has in one of his initial speaches during the rallies praised Thaksin as having been previously a great prime minister who has "done lots of good for the country", before he "sold Thailand to Singapore".

Yes it is bad bad bad to mimic a speech from Julius Ceasar! It is obviously AWFUL to acknowledge that your opponent (in a social way not political) has done anything good!

You are preaching to the choir! I am fully behind you Coly! ... I was so snowed by people that just want a change to a more moral government!

Really Coly !! I am with you from now on! I don't think you need to respond at ALL to the things in that post of mine! There are obviously no proper arguments for PAD or the Opposition Parties!

I do post here because i enjoy the intellectual challenge of political debates and discussions.

I may be culturally insensitive, but where i come from i have learned to show at least a minimum of manners and respect and to my opponents during a debate or discussion. That appearantly does not count for your neck of the woods.

There are proper and logical arguments from any side, only you have ran out of them and resorted to trolling the board with pubescent insults, and sad attempts of humor. You are a waste of time as long as you keep up your infantile pissing contest.

Really Coly ... There is no sense in answering the questions in red above. I don't know if you didn't think before you posted that bit of silliness that I was in effect Satirizing or lampooning ... or if you really believe it would be best to wait for an economic crash ... or more hiuman rights tragedies .. or if you really believe nothing was said or done like the rallies in Lumpini BEFORE the sale of Shin.

Sorry if you are so hyper-sensitive that you cannot have your views lampooned! And that in the same sentence you think it is ok to be culturally insensitive! Hope this keeps working for you!

[ColPyat]

Really Coly ... There is no sense in answering the questions in red above.

Please don't use 'sense' and your incoherent ramblings in the same sentence.

Unless you rephrase those rants into something less unintelligible i don't see any need to answer.

[cmcarrent]

>>>

Having Tea with the Secret Intelligence which was so secretive that nothing about them was ever heard of...

Shaking hands with a few PAD Leaders whose name u can't remember or doesn't care to remember...or not worthy for you to remember but worth you making the trip to meet them and shake their hands…

And later…

Oops!!! Correction...not the PAD Leaders...just a few “Academics”…

Out of nowhere, absolutely baseless, Chamlong became a murderer worse or equally evil than the Prime Minister himself, due to the killings when the Prime Minister himself declared war on drugs?

<<<

Just curious…would the poster have thought differently if Chamlong didn’t change side?

>>>

Helped to hide people whom were on the blacklist and hunted by the death squad…

<<<

Um...I can’t help it…but it’s becoming more and more dramatic…

Maybe the poster has a secret-special signal to call upon batman too…(of course we wouldn't know about it since it's called a "Secret" signal...)

Or…

The poster could be talking through his/her crack.

Can’t understand why there’s so much hate/anger in the poster.

I’ll better shut my hole and go back to my observation post.

[ColPyat]

I’ll better shut my hole and go back to my observation post.[/i]

Good suggestion.

Can someone please rescue this thread? This is going down rapidly into a boring pissing contest and flame war.

Moderators, please?

[cmcarrent]

Can someone please rescue this thread? This is going down rapidly into a boring pissing contest and flame war.

Moderators, please?

Look into the mirror.

[lukamar]

jdinasia

There is a fine line between lampooning and mockery but you have become a downright nasty stalker on this board. No one can make a comment without you adding some kind of ridicule or veiled offensive comment into almost every reply. That lowers the caliber of discussion on this forum, forces people that would like to post to remain silent and makes everyone uncomfortable for fear of another of your constant flame attacks. There are lots of people on this board that can't be bothered entering a pissing contest with you every time they post. Although the rest of us often do not agree we keep our discussions civil to one another. I'm hoping that the moderators invoke article 7, soon.

[jdinasia]

Really Coly ... There is no sense in answering the questions in red above.

Please don't use 'sense' and your incoherent ramblings in the same sentence.

Unless you rephrase those rants into something less unintelligible i don't see any need to answer.

I’ll better shut my hole and go back to my observation post.[/i]

Good suggestion.

Can someone please rescue this thread? This is going down rapidly into a boring pissing contest and flame war.

Moderators, please?

hmmmm flaming would be name calling right? Smart-ass remarks (like mine) aren't flames Coly ... just pointing out the silliness you include in your 'reasoned and well thought-out' posts

your "logical" post that I responded to in red above .. was sooo illogical and unreasoned that it just made sense to respond to it the way I did ... pointing out the oles in your "logic" with a humorous edge

[sriracha john]

>>>

Having Tea with the Secret Intelligence which was so secretive that nothing about them was ever heard of...

Shaking hands with a few PAD Leaders whose name u can't remember or doesn't care to remember...or not worthy for you to remember but worth you making the trip to meet them and shake their hands…

And later…

Oops!!! Correction...not the PAD Leaders...just a few “Academics”…

Out of nowhere, absolutely baseless, Chamlong became a murderer worse or equally evil than the Prime Minister himself, due to the killings when the Prime Minister himself declared war on drugs?

<<<

Just curious…would the poster have thought differently if Chamlong didn’t change side?

>>>

Helped to hide people whom were on the blacklist and hunted by the death squad…

<<<

Um...I can’t help it…but it’s becoming more and more dramatic…

Maybe the poster has a secret-special signal to call upon batman too…(of course we wouldn't know about it since it's called a "Secret" signal...)

Or…

The poster could be talking through his/her crack.

Can’t understand why there’s so much hate/anger in the poster.

I’ll better shut my hole and go back to my observation post.

Quite to the contrary, you should always feel free to "out" people that have spun such unbelieveable, implausable tales as you describe above. The forum is always interested in identifying dishonest trolls.

[sriracha john]

I can honestly say that me and my family, and my close friends here have tried what we could. Apart from other things we have hidden people who were on the blacklist and hunted by the death squads.

What did you do?

Apart from other things, I took three M-16 rounds shot by the death squads to protect school children who had inadvertantly crossed into the field of fire.

Good. Why though did it never make the news that a farang was shot and wounded during the drugwar?

Oh.. I thought you knew... It didn't happen at all, of course.

I just thought we were playing in the game.... Thaivisa Fabrication Tale of The Year, so I decided to enter my post as a chance to win the contest.

Of course, the winner is the one that spins the biggest yarn and I thought mine would be more endearing to the voters.

Edited March 28, 2006 by sriracha john

[jdinasia]

lol ... careful SRJ .... Luk or Coly might get upset

[ColPyat]

Oh.. I thought you knew... It didn't happen at all, of course.

I just thought we were playing in the game.... Thaivisa Fabrication Tale of The Year, so I decided to enter my post as a chance to win the contest.

Of course, the winner is the one that spins the biggest yarn and I thought mine would be more endearing to the voters.

So, we established now that you have done nothing whatsoever other than running your mouth on the net. Which could easily be interpreted as cowardice and hypocracy.

Yet, without knowing me at all you accuse me of "fabricating tales", or "spinning yarns". Don't you think you are going a bit far here with your baseless assumptions about me?

[h90]

after 35 pages and getting more and more off topic maybe the mods should start a new topic. Anyway noone will read the 35 pages anymore.....

[jdinasia]

jdinasia

There is a fine line between lampooning and mockery but you have become a downright nasty stalker on this board. No one can make a comment without you adding some kind of ridicule or veiled offensive comment into almost every reply. That lowers the caliber of discussion on this forum, forces people that would like to post to remain silent and makes everyone uncomfortable for fear of another of your constant flame attacks. There are lots of people on this board that can't be bothered entering a pissing contest with you every time they post. Although the rest of us often do not agree we keep our discussions civil to one another. I'm hoping that the moderators invoke article 7, soon.

wow ... I guess to respond to this I need color and bold font!

Luk ... you call people (mainly me) names while I respond to posts. You focus on spelling errors instead of content. Teasing someone about a silly post is not flaming (however ... name calling is!) Pointing out that someone is claiming to know what people are thinking and feeling while they are 10,000 miles away isn't flaming either! As for "no one can make a comment ,,," not true again. So therefore the "there are lots of people ..." would also be inaccurate. My posts are civil ... I don't often call people "stalkers" or "**** disturbers" and when I did rise to your bait with that earlier I apologized to the board and invited the mods to delete it.

There should be 2 rules about posting on political topics!

1) Have a brain that is not put in idle .....

and

2) Have a sense of humor!

Edited March 28, 2006 by jdinasia

[sriracha john]

Oh.. I thought you knew... It didn't happen at all, of course.

I just thought we were playing in the game.... Thaivisa Fabrication Tale of The Year, so I decided to enter my post as a chance to win the contest.

Of course, the winner is the one that spins the biggest yarn and I thought mine would be more endearing to the voters.

So, we established now that you have done nothing whatsoever other than running your mouth on the net. Which could easily be interpreted as cowardice and hypocracy.

Yet, without knowing me at all you accuse me of "fabricating tales", or "spinning yarns". Don't you think you are going a bit far here with your baseless assumptions about me?

You haven't noticed I'm not the only one who has seen through your little charade?

Certainly, I am a jokester at times, but I'm honest.. and honesty gives credibility.

I and others would say yours is about zilch now.

[jdinasia]

after 35 pages and getting more and more off topic maybe the mods should start a new topic. Anyway noone will read the 35 pages anymore.....

And on an even MORE logical note ... it is the 28th today ((not to mention the mudslinging has gotten thick :-))

[ColPyat]

You haven't noticed I'm not the only one who has seen through your little charade?

Certainly, I am a jokester at times, but I'm honest.. and honesty gives credibility.

I and others would say yours is about zilch now.

Well, before you accuse somebody who you have never met other than on one or two debates on the net of dishonesty you should maybe first make an effort to find out more about that real person behind the handle.

But that you don't seem willing to do, you prefer to stay in your narrowminded and intolerant world and shoot personal insults behind the security of the screen.

Yes, this discussion has long ago left anything that resembles the topic and any form of civil conversation.

[sriracha john]

You haven't noticed I'm not the only one who has seen through your little charade?

Certainly, I am a jokester at times, but I'm honest.. and honesty gives credibility.

I and others would say yours is about zilch now.

Well, before you accuse somebody who you have never met other than on one or two debates on the net of dishonesty you should maybe first make an effort to find out more about that real person behind the handle.

But that you don't seem willing to do, you prefer to stay in your narrowminded and intolerant world and shoot personal insults behind the security of the screen.

I'll point out to you once more, I'm not alone.

The reason is because people see how you have dug yourself into a hole.

You've done all this by yourself.

It's not surprising nor new, as that's what trolls do. They trip up after awhile.

I'll give you that you are intelligent and that has allowed you to go on as long as you have, but people aren't interested in trolls, even if they do appear smart for awhile.

You are not honest... and that's the worst offense one can commit on a forum.

You've had your month on Thaivisa... You've had your fun.... please move on elsewhere and stop wasting everyone's time.

Edited March 28, 2006 by sriracha john

[ColPyat]

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I'll point out to you once more, I'm not alone.

The reason is because people see how you have dug yourself into a hole.

You've done all this by yourself.

It's not surprising nor new, as that's what trolls do. They trip up after awhile.

I'll give you that you are intelligent and that has allowed you to go on as long as you have, but people aren't interested in trolls, even if they do appear smart for awhile.

You are not honest... and that's the worst offense one can commit on a forum.

You've had your month on Thaivisa... You've had your fun.... please move on elsewhere and stop wasting everyone's time.

Dug into a hole?! LOL!

You have failed with your arguments on the topic of the rallies and resorted to the lowest forms of ridiculing your opponent and appealing to mob rule.

You call me a troll and dishonest? Then meet me in person, i can sufficiently prove what i have posted. But let me guess, you are too scared to embarrass yourself by having to apologise to me after such incredible accusations.

Edited March 28, 2006 by ColPyat

[penzman]

I surely feel like I'm wasting my time reading through these silly arguments.

[ColPyat]

I surely feel like I'm wasting my time reading through these silly arguments.

With all respect, then, being a moderator you should stop this thread. You should have a long tim ago. I have sent already more than one notice off that this going way too low.

[penzman]

Maybe closing a thread is not enough....

[sriracha john]

I'm out of it... I'll let others decide what to do with the troll.

[meadish_sweetball]

This has gone way too far.

Grow up or you will be given holidays.