webfact Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Phuket Immigration task force targetting foreigners nabs RussianPhuket GazetteNatalia Nikiforova, 30, from Russia was charged with working illegally and with illegally entering the country. Photo: Kritsada MueanhawongPHUKET: -- Phuket Immigration officers yesterday arrested a Russian woman caught without a passport and working illegally selling tours at a kiosk in Kata.Officers led by Capt Angkarn Yasanop arrested Natalia Nikiforova, 30, after an officer pretended to be interested in some of the tours on offer at the Rus Info tour counter on Kata Road.“She explained the tours to us in detail. We asked to see her passport and work permit, but she did not have her passport with her and she could not to tell us where it was. She also could not present her work permit,” Capt Angkarn explained.“We also asked how long she had been selling tours, but she did not give us any further information about herself,” he added.Ms Nikiforova was charged with working illegally and with illegally entering the country.“We handed her over to Karon Police to prosecute,” Capt Angkarn said.The raid yesterday was conducted by a task force of about 20 immigration officers who have been ordered to crack down on transnational crime, including human and drug trafficking.They have also been ordered to target foreigners working illegally or who have illegally entered the country.The crackdown, ordered by Phuket Immigration chief Sunchai Chokkajaykij, began on April 1 and is to end on April 8.“We have received many complaints from Thais accusing foreigners of stealing their jobs,” Col Sunchai said.“We will work together with officers from police stations around the island to set up checkpoints and patrol specific areas, especially areas popular with tourists,” he explained.Source: http://www.phuketgazette.net/phuket_news/2013/Phuket-Immigration-task-force-targetting-foreigners-nabs-Russian-20696.html-- Phuket Gazette 2013-04-05 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jonclark Posted April 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2013 “We have received many complaints from Thais accusing foreigners of stealing their jobs,” Col Sunchai said. Sums up the nation in a nut shell. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kotsak Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 "The crackdown, ordered by Phuket Immigration chief Sunchai Chokkajaykij, began on April 1 and is to end on April 8" Business as usual after that I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsetBkk Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 So the ''crackdown'' is for 7 days. The illegals hide for 7 days and the ''crackers'' go back to doing what ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentbkk Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 if I was a Russian tour operator I would remove phuket or Thailand as dream destination , what would be the lost if all Russian stopped to come to Thailand ? As it doesn't exist with other nationalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JetsetBkk Posted April 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. Please don't pick holes in the logic of my flippant comments. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. Please don't pick holes in the logic of my flippant comments. Sorry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePai Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 if I was a Russian tour operator I would remove phuket or Thailand as dream destination , what would be the lost if all Russian stopped to come to Thailand ? As it doesn't exist with other nationalities. What a great idea - don't supose they could also remove Pattaya as a dream destination and stop them all coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post iSabai Posted April 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) This is the 3rd recent incident (off the top of my head) where a Russian person was unable (unwilling?) to produce a passport. How is it they get into the country in the first place? Edited April 5, 2013 by iSabai 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 This is the 3rd recent incident (off the top of my head) where a Russian person was unable (unwilling?) to produce a passport. How is it they get into the country in the first place? fairy dust..... in the land of all things supersticious, it could be a plausible answer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COXYATCITY Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 big bust, how many thousands to go,i am sure it will be very difficult to replace her.back to work on monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keestha Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. I believe that as a foreigner you can get a work permit to be the general manager of a travel agency/tour counter, you are allowed to speak in your own language to the customers, but also there always needs to be a Thai person present to do things like writing out tickets, making phone calls and so on. I remember that a friend of mine who had a travel agency, never could be alone in the office, otherwise the competition would notify the authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrisRMenumate Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 no sympathy for the miscreant without proper visa etc, but... "big crackdown" nets one person? is there more to it? moving on - it is apparently linked to Taxi/Tuk Tuk and Tour Guide "organised groups" complaining about Russians in particular.... some form of appeasement? in repayment for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shurup Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? Apparently speaking English (or Thai???) to a Thai customer. Very dumb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retell Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 This is the 3rd recent incident (off the top of my head) where a Russian person was unable (unwilling?) to produce a passport. How is it they get into the country in the first place? or her passport is doing a visarun by itself at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. I believe that as a foreigner you can get a work permit to be the general manager of a travel agency/tour counter, you are allowed to speak in your own language to the customers, but also there always needs to be a Thai person present to do things like writing out tickets, making phone calls and so on. I remember that a friend of mine who had a travel agency, never could be alone in the office, otherwise the competition would notify the authorities. It's a little bit more tricky to get a work permit. Need a registered Thai company capitalised for 2 million baht, 4 Thai employees all social security and taxes paid, and a number of other obstacles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisrazz Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Who was she working for? Aren't the business owners breaking the law also? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. I believe that as a foreigner you can get a work permit to be the general manager of a travel agency/tour counter, you are allowed to speak in your own language to the customers, but also there always needs to be a Thai person present to do things like writing out tickets, making phone calls and so on. I remember that a friend of mine who had a travel agency, never could be alone in the office, otherwise the competition would notify the authorities. It's a little bit more tricky to get a work permit. Need a registered Thai company capitalised for 2 million baht, 4 Thai employees all social security and taxes paid, and a number of other obstacles. And the 4 Thai "employees" looking how the farang is working? No thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. I believe that as a foreigner you can get a work permit to be the general manager of a travel agency/tour counter, you are allowed to speak in your own language to the customers, but also there always needs to be a Thai person present to do things like writing out tickets, making phone calls and so on. I remember that a friend of mine who had a travel agency, never could be alone in the office, otherwise the competition would notify the authorities. She didn't work for a travel agent but for a tour operator. Whenever the local travel agents had a customer speaking Russian she came flying in on her motorbike, selling tours from her company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheGhostWithin Posted April 5, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2013 The open targeting AND reporting of ONLY Russians in relation to work permits in Phuket is racist - even if Russians are the main offenders, the authorities are making it very clear they do not like Russians and do not want them there. What about all the Kiwis, Aussies and Brits all over the country working without permits? I say this because I only ever read about Russians getting their cracks down here, which appears a little one eyed. I really wish someone in this country (who had the authority to have a voice) stood up to the open racism and xenophobia communicated and demonstrated by the establishment. When you come to my country, my dearest Thai friends, you can work beside me, you can work above me, or you can work below me - based on your own merits, not your skin color, nor your connections or financial position. How about the same fair deal in your homeland? Do you not love your country enough to share it with those that want to help make it a big success? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusd Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Aha... I think the biggest joke here is that FOREIGNERS ARE STEALING THAI JOBS... Weely? Since when do thais,do a good job without foreign intervention? 4 Thais 1foreigner in a company. Look at your restaurant. 4 thais to take your order. SAYS IT,ALL. I thought thailand being a TOURIST destination means foreigners create far more THAI JOBS. Screw these fools. Where are those bananas for the monkeys???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NamKangMan Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. I believe that as a foreigner you can get a work permit to be the general manager of a travel agency/tour counter, you are allowed to speak in your own language to the customers, but also there always needs to be a Thai person present to do things like writing out tickets, making phone calls and so on. I remember that a friend of mine who had a travel agency, never could be alone in the office, otherwise the competition would notify the authorities. She didn't work for a travel agent but for a tour operator. Whenever the local travel agents had a customer speaking Russian she came flying in on her motorbike, selling tours from her company. Is the "tour operator" Thai, or Russian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 The open targeting AND reporting of ONLY Russians in relation to work permits in Phuket is racist - even if Russians are the main offenders, the authorities are making it very clear they do not like Russians and do not want them there. What about all the Kiwis, Aussies and Brits all over the country working without permits? I say this because I only ever read about Russians getting their cracks down here, which appears a little one eyed. I really wish someone in this country (who had the authority to have a voice) stood up to the open racism and xenophobia communicated and demonstrated by the establishment. When you come to my country, my dearest Thai friends, you can work beside me, you can work above me, or you can work below me - based on your own merits, not your skin color, nor your connections or financial position. How about the same fair deal in your homeland? Do you not love your country enough to share it with those that want to help make it a big success? Nothing to do with race but nationality. Thais simply don't like the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 She is working for a tourcompany, and has been doing so for quite a few years already. So she should have been able to get a workpermit long time ago. Nothing to do with language, only with working legally. Ooh, those naughty Russians, speaking Russian to Russian tourists. What is this place coming to? I believe that as a foreigner you can get a work permit to be the general manager of a travel agency/tour counter, you are allowed to speak in your own language to the customers, but also there always needs to be a Thai person present to do things like writing out tickets, making phone calls and so on. I remember that a friend of mine who had a travel agency, never could be alone in the office, otherwise the competition would notify the authorities. She didn't work for a travel agent but for a tour operator. Whenever the local travel agents had a customer speaking Russian she came flying in on her motorbike, selling tours from her company. Is the "tour operator" Thai, or Russian? Russian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laislica Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 This is the 3rd recent incident (off the top of my head) where a Russian person was unable (unwilling?) to produce a passport. How is it they get into the country in the first place? or her passport is doing a visarun by itself at the moment Maybe on overstay, save the cost of visas and all the time reporting etc. OK as long as you can get away with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGhostWithin Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 (edited) Nothing to do with race but nationality. The open targeting AND reporting of ONLY Russians in relation to work permits in Phuket is racist - even if Russians are the main offenders, the authorities are making it very clear they do not like Russians and do not want them there. What about all the Kiwis, Aussies and Brits all over the country working without permits? I say this because I only ever read about Russians getting their cracks down here, which appears a little one eyed. I really wish someone in this country (who had the authority to have a voice) stood up to the open racism and xenophobia communicated and demonstrated by the establishment. When you come to my country, my dearest Thai friends, you can work beside me, you can work above me, or you can work below me - based on your own merits, not your skin color, nor your connections or financial position. How about the same fair deal in your homeland? Do you not love your country enough to share it with those that want to help make it a big success? Thais simply don't like the Russians. Steven, On face value, I would tend to agree with you. Unfortunately, my prior experience urges me to disagree in this case. But 5 years or so ago, before the Russian influx, before the Chinese wave, when it was just the Europeans, Americans, and a few Ozzies and Kiwis (and those Malaysian fellows down south happily having a quiet brew in Songai Kolok out of the view of Mr Mathir Mohammed) the same people were shaking down any man with a white face in the English Schools, for exactly the same reason. Now that many of the English speaking white faces have disappeared, they have started picking on the Ruskies to try to send them back to Mokba (Moscow). It really does seem, that certain sectors of the Thai society seem to be horrified that anyone that is not Thai, should be allowed to enjoy a high standard of living in Thailand, with funds earnt within the Kingdom. Edited April 5, 2013 by TheGhostWithin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 Nothing to do with race but nationality. The open targeting AND reporting of ONLY Russians in relation to work permits in Phuket is racist - even if Russians are the main offenders, the authorities are making it very clear they do not like Russians and do not want them there. What about all the Kiwis, Aussies and Brits all over the country working without permits? I say this because I only ever read about Russians getting their cracks down here, which appears a little one eyed. I really wish someone in this country (who had the authority to have a voice) stood up to the open racism and xenophobia communicated and demonstrated by the establishment. When you come to my country, my dearest Thai friends, you can work beside me, you can work above me, or you can work below me - based on your own merits, not your skin color, nor your connections or financial position. How about the same fair deal in your homeland? Do you not love your country enough to share it with those that want to help make it a big success? Thais simply don't like the Russians. Steven, I would also think so as well. But 5 years or so ago, before the Russian influx, before the Chinese wave, when it was just the Europeans, Americans, and a few Ozzies and Kiwis (and those Malaysian fellows down south happily having a brew in Songai Kolok) the same people were shaking down any man with a white face in the English Schools, for exactly the same reason. Now that many of the white faces have disappeared, they have started picking on the Ruskies to try to send them back to Mokba (Moscow). It really does seem, that certain sectors of the Thai society seem to be horrified that anyone that is not Thai, should be allowed to enjoy a high standard of living in Thailand, with funds earnt within the Kingdom. Don't know if you realise this, but Russians are Caucasians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlejuice Posted April 5, 2013 Share Posted April 5, 2013 There was a report on Thai TV channel 5 regarding the Russians in Phuket and Pattaya.It appears the authorities are having big problems at those places.According to this 2-hour report, the Russians are taking over everything, manufacturing of goods, factories, import and export, shops, hotels and guesthouses, travel agents, public transport including taxis, brothels, beer bars, massage parlours and the list went on and on.They interviewed many high-ranking officers; the woman who is head of the work permits department, who said this is a difficult problem because the Russians are using Thais to front their businesses, council officials and the chief of police. One Thai tour guide who claims to speak fluent Russian having lived and studied in Russia for many years, alleges to have been warned off by the Russian mafia to cease and desist his activities with his Phuket tourist business and is paid off the sum of 800 baht per day to stay out of it.They interviewed the chief of police of Phuket who promised; he intends to take action and deal with the problem, but the head of the council stated otherwise. He says that once the protests stopped, so went any so-called police action with it. Another aspect of this that I found quite disturbing is that the council official kept referring to these people as farangs and not as Russians, which means whatever these people do, could have repercussions for all of us.This could be like the song; there maybe trouble ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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