Tight-Fisted Farang...

[hellodolly]

There has to be 10 coffee shops in CM to every CM TV poster.

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[CMNightRider]

Be on the lookout for an older Farang that is bald on top. He hangs around coffee houses along Nimanheamin Road. He only visits the coffee houses to read newspapers. The guy never buys coffee or tea. Starbucks across the street from "Smoothy Blues" politely evicted this guy about two months ago. This guy makes most cheap people look like big spenders.

[hellodolly]

Do not personally do this as i like to use a PC rather than a laptop. But i really dont see what the problem is, so long as a person buys regular coffees/drinks/food.

Easy way for any coffee shop to solve this is to offer internet pass for an hour with your purchase. That way, the person needs to go back again and buy something else.

What is so wrong with someone choosing a more ambient atmosphere to browse the net?

I have a Thai lady friend who regularly spends money in a nice coffee shop and sets up her small laptop keeping an eye on her stocks.

I just dont get what the problem is and why it really would be anyones business. Let the shop take care of it and work out another way, if they are not happy about the situation. We shouldnt have control over how other people utilize something just because we dont utilize it int he same way. ITs sort of like saying a person shouldnt sit on a park bench for several hours because we should all get a turn on the bench. I have a feeling the people complaining dont use the net much for various things. (I personally use my TAB for many things when in a coffee shop. ..reading online newspapers (rather than reading the ones offered in the coffee shop), checking email, maybe logging in here). Is it somehow ok if a person is reading a book or the paper for an hour or two ..or more, if they choose..just because it doesnt look like they are scrounging free wifi??? (..and it isnt free if they are buying coffee etc, they are using the facilities..thats all).

Btw, in saying that, if it was a tiny place with limited seats, then yes, i may get the hump if someone is hogging a whole section for what seems like forever. But again, if they are regularly purchasing, im sure the coffee shop is glad of them.

Well not to agree or disagree to much. If you don;t use the free wifi you still pay for it. the business owner sets only one price on each item.

When was the last time you were in a coffee shop that charged less for non wifi users. The cost is passed on to all the customers.

Speaking only for myself it takes away from the ambiance which means a lot to me as I am not a big coffee drinker or that fussy about the brand.

[true blue]

transam, on 08 Apr 2013 - 16:43, said:

MAJIC, on 08 Apr 2013 - 16:31, said:

From the Coffee shop owners point of view,the Free Wifi is there to attract customers to come in for a while,have a couple of cups of coffee,and go. Not stay for hours,and use up your welcome.

My friend put in a FREE pool table to attract custom , l said you will attract low life when the word gets around. Was l right ?.

ive seemed very very few places in chiang mai were you have to pay to play pool.

[true blue]

somtampet, on 08 Apr 2013 - 15:25, said:

A guy decides to have a quiet coffee,and the use of free wi-fi,and in walks a middle class snob who calls everybody a cheap charlie

propaly wanted the seat for his dog,sounds like a real nasty person,

[Rob8891]

Unless you own it, have shares in, or pay rent for that shop, it has eff all to do with you quite frankly op. The owner obviously has free WiFi for that very reason and, unbeknownst to you, perhaps the user was filthy rich and donates millions to good causes. As for expats getting a 'bad name', if they do indeed it would more than likely be from whining farts sticking their nose into people's affairs.

And no, it wasn't me.

You sure?..........you really put a lot of effort in that bilge filled post.

Sai..... kwa..... (In-joke. Sorry)

[Rob8891]

Do not personally do this as i like to use a PC rather than a laptop. But i really dont see what the problem is, so long as a person buys regular coffees/drinks/food.

Easy way for any coffee shop to solve this is to offer internet pass for an hour with your purchase. That way, the person needs to go back again and buy something else.

What is so wrong with someone choosing a more ambient atmosphere to browse the net?

I have a Thai lady friend who regularly spends money in a nice coffee shop and sets up her small laptop keeping an eye on her stocks.

I just dont get what the problem is and why it really would be anyones business. Let the shop take care of it and work out another way, if they are not happy about the situation. We shouldnt have control over how other people utilize something just because we dont utilize it int he same way. ITs sort of like saying a person shouldnt sit on a park bench for several hours because we should all get a turn on the bench. I have a feeling the people complaining dont use the net much for various things. (I personally use my TAB for many things when in a coffee shop. ..reading online newspapers (rather than reading the ones offered in the coffee shop), checking email, maybe logging in here). Is it somehow ok if a person is reading a book or the paper for an hour or two ..or more, if they choose..just because it doesnt look like they are scrounging free wifi??? (..and it isnt free if they are buying coffee etc, they are using the facilities..thats all).

Btw, in saying that, if it was a tiny place with limited seats, then yes, i may get the hump if someone is hogging a whole section for what seems like forever. But again, if they are regularly purchasing, im sure the coffee shop is glad of them.

I agree with you up to a point, eek, but In the time that I was there (drinking coffee, I would add!), I didn't notice this guy consume anything. And yes, it was a particularly small coffee shop with very limited tables.

The reason for the gripe, apart from delighting in being a GOM (thx, Tywais, btw ) was that a certain poster had actually said he was going to use this place in a not-too-distant thread. I will not post a link to it, as I'd probably fall foul of the rules on flaming, or some such. In that thread, the poster in question had blatantly said he was looking for somewhere to WORK, not browse the internet, as many many people do. I see a big distinction here, which several posters have managed to ignore. The OP was not about people who acess the internet for social reasons, it was some cheap charlie wanting to work.

[Loptr]

Meh, why get worked up about what anyone else does?

Does it affect your daily life in any way?

Are you losing sleep over someone spending time in a coffee shop?

If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then perhaps a glance in the mirror is in order.

[smokie36]

If its costing the shop money....the guy will be on the street in no time!

[chickenslegs]

It seems coffee-shop owners are faced with a dilemma. If they don't have wifi these days, customers complain (or go elsewhere); if anyone actually uses the wifi, other customers complain.

Welcome to the IT age.

Fair, fair. Then i suggest working boots(similar as smoking boots) to be setup at starbucks to confine the workers in one secluded space, whilst others can enjoy their socialising air without the disturbance of the workers(read smokers).

[Ulysses G.]

In that thread, the poster in question had blatantly said he was looking for somewhere to WORK, not browse the internet, as many many people do. I see a big distinction here, which several posters have managed to ignore. The OP was not about people who acess the internet for social reasons, it was some cheap charlie wanting to work.

This guy?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/625995-looking-for-a-coffee-shop-to-work-outside-of-my-appartment/?p=6204438

[eek]

I personally wouldnt mind people working if they were buying, but if he is buying nothing its bad. All you can realistically do i think though is let it go and let the coffee shop people deal with it. If it is someone on Thaivisa they would surely see this and either feel a little affronted or not bother. Kick back and enjoy your coffee and try to switch off.

[theblether]

Ehm....I suppose I better confess and some members here can confirm it, I'm in the habit of using the electrical point in the hotel cafe to re-charge my laptop battery, that saves my electricity bill, and I've seen myself sitting at the table for a couple of hours.

However!! in my defence!! there's always a few tables spare, and I do spend a fair bit in the cafe. A young lady has just taken the place on and I like to support young people who are having a go at business.

That's my defence and I'm sticking by it

[Rob8891]

In that thread, the poster in question had blatantly said he was looking for somewhere to WORK, not browse the internet, as many many people do. I see a big distinction here, which several posters have managed to ignore. The OP was not about people who acess the internet for social reasons, it was some cheap charlie wanting to work.

This guy?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/625995-looking-for-a-coffee-shop-to-work-outside-of-my-appartment/?p=6204438

You might say that, but one could not possibly comment

[Rob8891]

Ehm....I suppose I better confess and some members here can confirm it, I'm in the habit of using the electrical point in the hotel cafe to re-charge my laptop battery, that saves my electricity bill, and I've seen myself sitting at the table for a couple of hours.

However!! in my defence!! there's always a few tables spare, and I do spend a fair bit in the cafe. A young lady has just taken the place on and I like to support young people who are having a go at business.

That's my defence and I'm sticking by it

That reception area is abot 5 times the area of said coffee shop.... BTW, thx for the idea...

[theblether]

Gawd......the poor lassie is going to go bust with mass Scotsmen camping out in her cafe burning her leccy.

What have I done

[Rob8891]

I personally wouldnt mind people working if they were buying, but if he is buying nothing its bad. All you can realistically do i think though is let it go and let the coffee shop people deal with it. If it is someone on Thaivisa they would surely see this and either feel a little affronted or not bother. Kick back and enjoy your coffee and try to switch off.

A. It's the principle involved...I like a Victor Meldrew moment now and again

B. It's always good to provoke a bit of discussion

and

C,,, Worst of all, I won't have that particular place on my doorstep any more.

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

There has to be 10 coffee shops in CM to every CM TV poster.

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It's not like any cafe has that unusual cup of coffee. Maybe Akha Ama has higher quality but all these other shops sell a half dozen or so brands.

Just waddle over to another cafe. Maybe meet some new people. Maybe another cafe has a better bathroom in case you need to make big thunder.

Look on the bright side.. Often times an inconvenience turns into an opportunity

[bristolgeoff]

free wifi is everywhere,if you don,t offer you lose out.most people buy a drink anyway.so i suggest you move on to another coffee shop or just have your coffee and use the wifi like the person at the next table

[ollylama]

They can easily implement the one hour free wifi system that Wawee imposes. If there is unlimited wifi then they obviously don't consider it a problem.

If you want to play policeman, then why not try a more useful target? Like shirtless farangs. Or tourists who have no business on a motorcycle. Or chinese tourists who think the middle of the street is a normal place to walk. Or foreigners who make out in public. Or Thais who wear swastikas. Or clueless tourists who stand in groups blocking the sidewalk or the street and don't get out of the xxxxxxx way.

Anyone who runs a coffeehouse should be prepared for slackers taking up space. This is an international problem, not just a local one. I myself try to order a cup of coffee every two hours at least, plus something sweet. But I'm now unable to sleep at night and am getting fat. I wish Wawee and Doi Chaang would serve better food. It's just too nice to work in a coffee house. Maybe they should make the chairs less comfy.

Edited April 8, 2013 by metisdead

[hellodolly]

They can easily implement the one hour free wifi system that Wawee imposes. If there is unlimited wifi then they obviously don't consider it a problem.

If you want to play policeman, then why not try a more useful target? Like shirtless farangs. Or tourists who have no business on a motorcycle. Or chinese tourists who think the middle of the street is a normal place to walk. Or foreigners who make out in public. Or Thais who wear swastikas. Or clueless tourists who stand in groups blocking the sidewalk or the street and don't get out of the xxxxxxx way.

Anyone who runs a coffeehouse should be prepared for slackers taking up space. This is an international problem, not just a local one. I myself try to order a cup of coffee every two hours at least, plus something sweet. But I'm now unable to sleep at night and am getting fat. I wish Wawee and Doi Chaang would serve better food. It's just too nice to work in a coffee house. Maybe they should make the chairs less comfy.

What coffee shop are you in at this hour of the night?

[stoli]

You might want to change to decaf for a while. Just a suggestion. Let the owner run his business, or write a review on Yelp. I would say just enjoy the time with your wife, and not worry about the other customers. Life will be much better.

[cabralad]

I went to the ninety four cafe a few days ago, it was full of asians and one of them was asleep on the lounge, but what i love about Chiang Mai is the amount of choices you have, just walk down the road and use another coffee shop..dont stress out if you get bad service or its full of freeloaders just go elsewhere.

[eek]

If I saw someone who had fallen asleep in a coffee shop I'd think it was cute. They must either be really exhausted or coffee not strong enough. Guess this is one of those things that doesnt bother me in the slightest. Other things do. I'm not immune to being bothered! But this using wifi working etc thing..doesn't register for me.

[uptheos]

ITs sort of like saying a person shouldn't sit on a park bench for several hours because we should all get a turn on the bench.

Leave my sleeping quarters out of this please and stick to the subject!

[Dancealot]

If I saw someone who had fallen asleep in a coffee shop I'd think it was cute. They must either be really exhausted or coffee not strong enough. Guess this is one of those things that doesnt bother me in the slightest. Other things do. I'm not immune to being bothered! But this using wifi working etc thing..doesn't register for me.

Well, in Amsterdam they sleep in coffeeshops all the time. Their coffee surely is not stong enough.

[onthedarkside]

2 off topic posts removed

[USNret]

In the time that I was there (drinking coffee, I would add!), I didn't notice this guy consume anything.

Wait a minute... so you are saying that you got a seat despite the boorish computer-user? Or did you just stand there stupidly drinking your coffee, casting mournful looks all about you?

If you had a seat, then how in any possible way did this guy affect you? There is an implied contract between the computer user & the coffee shop owner; there is an implied contract between you & the coffee shop owner. However, there is no contract between you & the computer user. You have no rights whatsoever in the matter. As long as the coffee shop owner is not aggrieved, then all is well. Of all the battles you can choose in your seemingly empty life, why would you pick this one?

[Thakkar]

In the time that I was there (drinking coffee, I would add!), I didn't notice this guy consume anything.

Wait a minute... so you are saying that you got a seat despite the boorish computer-user? Or did you just stand there stupidly drinking your coffee, casting mournful looks all about you?

If you had a seat, then how in any possible way did this guy affect you? There is an implied contract between the computer user & the coffee shop owner; there is an implied contract between you & the coffee shop owner. However, there is no contract between you & the computer user. You have no rights whatsoever in the matter. As long as the coffee shop owner is not aggrieved, then all is well. Of all the battles you can choose in your seemingly empty life, why would you pick this one?

Give the guy a break—he hadn't had his coffee yet!

T

[Dante99]

In the time that I was there (drinking coffee, I would add!), I didn't notice this guy consume anything.

Wait a minute... so you are saying that you got a seat despite the boorish computer-user? Or did you just stand there stupidly drinking your coffee, casting mournful looks all about you?

If you had a seat, then how in any possible way did this guy affect you? There is an implied contract between the computer user & the coffee shop owner; there is an implied contract between you & the coffee shop owner. However, there is no contract between you & the computer user. You have no rights whatsoever in the matter. As long as the coffee shop owner is not aggrieved, then all is well. Of all the battles you can choose in your seemingly empty life, why would you pick this one?

Give the guy a break—he hadn't had his coffee yet!

T

Yeh but he wrote all this after he had his coffee or certainly after he had plenty of chance to have it, didn't he?