"It's no use exchanging verbal barbs because it only brings pain. I'd rather concentrate on working and do everything for the country."............a few on these boards could benefit Tvisa by following this sound judgement

i can only assume you are referring to her first sentence, as the second is a blatant lie. Unless you can reconcile giving her fugitive criminal brother a passport, and the corrupt mess that is the rice scam with "do everything for the country."

People in positions of power helping relatives - happens all over the world

Still doesn't make it right.

It's Songkran and I am permitted to drink so I imagine this, what would happen if she actually lost the election ? I must be on something more than Chang

seems the journo left the "ey" of the end of monk after that statement from him, either that or he was given a very large donation by an anonomous member of the family.

I just watched a movie on TV called "The beauty and the beast"

Such a good movie

"she could continue running the country for 12 years"

Well, maybe after we changed yet another article in the constitution? No mention in article 201 of the 1997 constitution, but in the 2007 version in section 171 we have this sentence:

The Prime Minister shall not hold office for more than eight consecutive years.

yes but a family dynasty - big brother, big sistet, little sister, son of big brother - 8 years each. Then start again because the wording says 'condecutive years".

Keep it in the family "firm". Borgias, Tudors, etc.............. now the Shiniwatras. Can't wait to see the Holywood version - Tom Hanks for big T ??

Overworked? PMs of countries with far larger area, population and economy still manage to appear in parliament to put forward policies and answer the opposition's questions. OTOH most of them have had actual experience of "work" without the advantages of nepotism and cronyism.

Overworked keeping track of her frequent flyer miles maybe

changing outfit 4 times a day is hard work

Presumably she is doing this out of office hours.

People in positions of power helping relatives - happens all over the world

Still doesn't make it right.

Nope, also doesn't make it extraordinary or different or 'typical' Thai/Thaksin etc . . .

People in positions of power helping relatives - happens all over the world

Still doesn't make it right.

Nope, also doesn't make it extraordinary or different or 'typical' Thai/Thaksin etc . . .

If it's not extraordinary, perhaps you could give us a few examples where one family so dominates the political scene, heads the police force, has major representation in the army, has had as many members banned from politics for corruption, and has accumulated so much wealth through corrupt practises?

People in positions of power helping relatives - happens all over the world

Still doesn't make it right.

Nope, also doesn't make it extraordinary or different or 'typical' Thai/Thaksin etc . . .

If it's not extraordinary, perhaps you could give us a few examples where one family so dominates the political scene, heads the police force, has major representation in the army, has had as many members banned from politics for corruption, and has accumulated so much wealth through corrupt practises?

You should learn to read . . . I clearly stated that it is not extraordinary for people in power to help relatives. If you want to expand the discussion then at least start anew instead of taking my post out of context . . .

As an aside I could probably name a few instances of massive nepotism, which is also not that extraordinary if you were well read in world affairs, but then you have been specific to the extreme, pretty much negating any further discussion . . .

People in positions of power helping relatives - happens all over the world

Still doesn't make it right.

Nope, also doesn't make it extraordinary or different or 'typical' Thai/Thaksin etc . . .

If it's not extraordinary, perhaps you could give us a few examples where one family so dominates the political scene, heads the police force, has major representation in the army, has had as many members banned from politics for corruption, and has accumulated so much wealth through corrupt practises?

There are many examples that come close - Mugabe, Papa Doc Duvalier, Rajaprakse family in Sri Lanka.

But the one that just about fits the bill is Marcos.

Nope, also doesn't make it extraordinary or different or 'typical' Thai/Thaksin etc . . .

If it's not extraordinary, perhaps you could give us a few examples where one family so dominates the political scene, heads the police force, has major representation in the army, has had as many members banned from politics for corruption, and has accumulated so much wealth through corrupt practises?

There are many examples that come close - Mugabe, Papa Doc Duvalier, Rajaprakse family in Sri Lanka.

But the one that just about fits the bill is Marcos.

When one has an agenda the blindness is common

Nope, also doesn't make it extraordinary or different or 'typical' Thai/Thaksin etc . . .

If it's not extraordinary, perhaps you could give us a few examples where one family so dominates the political scene, heads the police force, has major representation in the army, has had as many members banned from politics for corruption, and has accumulated so much wealth through corrupt practises?

There are many examples that come close - Mugabe, Papa Doc Duvalier, Rajaprakse family in Sri Lanka.

But the one that just about fits the bill is Marcos.

When one has an agenda the blindness is common

Well only the blind cannot see the Shinawatra agenda.

If it's not extraordinary, perhaps you could give us a few examples where one family so dominates the political scene, heads the police force, has major representation in the army, has had as many members banned from politics for corruption, and has accumulated so much wealth through corrupt practises?

There are many examples that come close - Mugabe, Papa Doc Duvalier, Rajaprakse family in Sri Lanka.

But the one that just about fits the bill is Marcos.

When one has an agenda the blindness is common

Well only the blind cannot see the Shinawatra agenda.

Where is the fool who can't see it? Where are the fools who can only see it and nothing else?

Where is the fool who can't see it? Where are the fools who can only see it and nothing else?

The fools who can't see the Shin agenda? All over the place including here on Thaivisa. The brainwashed, the paid-for-vote electors, and those who think corruption is OK.

The fools who can see it & nothing else? Probably those who have suffered the most.

Overworked? PMs of countries with far larger area, population and economy still manage to appear in parliament to put forward policies and answer the opposition's questions. OTOH most of them have had actual experience of "work" without the advantages of nepotism and cronyism.

Overworked keeping track of her frequent flyer miles maybe

Flyer Miles +++ the daily wares ( wears ) //// what will I wear at tomorrow morning's 10 .00 o'clock meeting ,,,, and then, oh right for the lunch meeting and then need time to do a change for the 4 PM one ... and ah shoot ... what will I wear for that dinner meeting...I'm running out of all these cute outfits...!! OMG I need to go shopping in Paris NOW..... Help Yao!! Can you attend that Amnesty Bill Reading This Week.........Pleeeaaase

Where is the fool who can't see it? Where are the fools who can only see it and nothing else?

The fools who can't see the Shin agenda? All over the place including here on Thaivisa. The brainwashed, the paid-for-vote electors, and those who think corruption is OK.

The fools who can see it & nothing else? Probably those who have suffered the most.

I honestly don't see (m)any here on Thaivisa and I really couldn't give a toss either way in the whole Shinawatra soap-opera, but people who work on an agenda - like OzMick - need to realise that Thailand is not unique in its corruption and top-down fiefdomesque system - nor is it unique to one family or group . . . because that, in turn, leaves the door open for reverse-apologists.

Where is the fool who can't see it? Where are the fools who can only see it and nothing else?

The fools who can't see the Shin agenda? All over the place including here on Thaivisa. The brainwashed, the paid-for-vote electors, and those who think corruption is OK.

The fools who can see it & nothing else? Probably those who have suffered the most.

I honestly don't see (m)any here on Thaivisa and I really couldn't give a toss either way in the whole Shinawatra soap-opera, but people who work on an agenda - like OzMick - need to realise that Thailand is not unique in its corruption and top-down fiefdomesque system - nor is it unique to one family or group . . . because that, in turn, leaves the door open for reverse-apologists.

On Thaivisa I agree that there are not many but there is a hard core with their own unvarying opinion (agenda - probably not). I am not aware of any agenda of Ozmick - strong opinions, yes but what is your evidence of an agenda?

I would think that most are aware of the 'fiefdomesque' type of set up here and elsewhere but the point is that when one fiefdom controls the country it leads to a dictatorship style of governing. That family fiefdoms are elsewhere is not a good argument to defend any examples, especially the power mad ones.

Where is the fool who can't see it? Where are the fools who can only see it and nothing else?

The fools who can't see the Shin agenda? All over the place including here on Thaivisa. The brainwashed, the paid-for-vote electors, and those who think corruption is OK.

The fools who can see it & nothing else? Probably those who have suffered the most.

I honestly don't see (m)any here on Thaivisa and I really couldn't give a toss either way in the whole Shinawatra soap-opera, but people who work on an agenda - like OzMick - need to realise that Thailand is not unique in its corruption and top-down fiefdomesque system - nor is it unique to one family or group . . . because that, in turn, leaves the door open for reverse-apologists.

On Thaivisa I agree that there are not many but there is a hard core with their own unvarying opinion (agenda - probably not). I am not aware of any agenda of Ozmick - strong opinions, yes but what is your evidence of an agenda?

I would think that most are aware of the 'fiefdomesque' type of set up here and elsewhere but the point is that when one fiefdom controls the country it leads to a dictatorship style of governing. That family fiefdoms are elsewhere is not a good argument to defend any examples, especially the power mad ones.

OzMick took exception to my saying that cronyism isn't extraordinarily a Thai affair by listing the Thaksin crimes and challenging to name anyone else that would come close . . . which was responded to by listing quite a few despots both in the region and not.

Never was there a mention of 'defending' anyone . . . that assumption was taken by OzMick.

The Thaksin clan wasn't the first and they won't be the last to go down this road, but if people focus solely on them and become blind-eye apologists for others then there is a definite disconnect between realty and bias

Never was there a mention of 'defending' anyone . . . that assumption was taken by OzMick.

The Thaksin clan wasn't the first and they won't be the last to go down this road, but if people focus solely on them and become blind-eye apologists for others then there is a definite disconnect between realty and bias

I'm not going any further into what Ozmick or you said a number of posts ago.

Certainly the Shinawatra clan aren't the first & won't be the last to go down this road. But you seem to miss the point that they have a greater affect on Thailand currently than any other. I live here and I have a great liking for the country and don't want to see it become a quasi dictatorship which is what happens when corrupt power mad individuals are allowed to achieve their aims. One has to focus on the nearest & worst.

OzMick took exception to my saying that cronyism isn't extraordinarily a Thai affair by listing the Thaksin crimes and challenging to name anyone else that would come close . . . which was responded to by listing quite a few despots both in the region and not.

Never was there a mention of 'defending' anyone . . . that assumption was taken by OzMick.

The Thaksin clan wasn't the first and they won't be the last to go down this road, but if people focus solely on them and become blind-eye apologists for others then there is a definite disconnect between realty and bias

I was pointing out that the EXTENT of nepotism by the Shinawatras is extraordinary, and as others have indicated those that come close are far from admirable. "Never was there a mention of 'defending' anyone" that claim is purely your own.

What you call an agenda, bias and "blind-eye apologists for others" is simply the recognition of a thief, and the refusal to accept the pretensions of honour, generosity and statesmanship that some find so appealing. That Thaksin was, is and always will be a thief is reality.

another nepotistic marinette ?

An off topic baiting post has been removed as well as the replies.

Never was there a mention of 'defending' anyone . . . that assumption was taken by OzMick.

The Thaksin clan wasn't the first and they won't be the last to go down this road, but if people focus solely on them and become blind-eye apologists for others then there is a definite disconnect between realty and bias

I'm not going any further into what Ozmick or you said a number of posts ago.

Certainly the Shinawatra clan aren't the first & won't be the last to go down this road. But you seem to miss the point that they have a greater affect on Thailand currently than any other. I live here and I have a great liking for the country and don't want to see it become a quasi dictatorship which is what happens when corrupt power mad individuals are allowed to achieve their aims. One has to focus on the nearest & worst.

And that is exactly what I was also going to say .... We are focussed on this ( Shinawatra clan ) because we live HERE....end of story ... ! If we lived elsewhere we would be focussed on what happens there which yes of course could be a similar situation /... EG If I lived in the Philippines now or in the years of dear Imelda ( Marcos ).. I would be focussed on discussing that situation ... But I live HERE and most of the other posters and we are talking about the situation here in Thailand where we live ... !

she needs a relative in the government so she can have a friend.instead of the puppet master

PM Yingluck already has a relative in government, the Minister of Foreign Affairs Surapong who is cousin-in-law (his aunt married her uncle). Of course that's not the same as having your older sister to advise you in parliament or government. I'm sure that when/if k. Yaowapa is elected, PM Yingluck will use her criteria again on selecting cabinet members, knowledge, capability, potential, suitability. One of these days Ms. Yingluck might even get it right, finally, after four or five iterations. I feel sorry for those replaced, they failed somehow and all know it.

Never was there a mention of 'defending' anyone . . . that assumption was taken by OzMick.

The Thaksin clan wasn't the first and they won't be the last to go down this road, but if people focus solely on them and become blind-eye apologists for others then there is a definite disconnect between realty and bias

I'm not going any further into what Ozmick or you said a number of posts ago.

Certainly the Shinawatra clan aren't the first & won't be the last to go down this road. But you seem to miss the point that they have a greater affect on Thailand currently than any other. I live here and I have a great liking for the country and don't want to see it become a quasi dictatorship which is what happens when corrupt power mad individuals are allowed to achieve their aims. One has to focus on the nearest & worst.

And that is exactly what I was also going to say .... We are focussed on this ( Shinawatra clan ) because we live HERE....end of story ... ! If we lived elsewhere we would be focussed on what happens there which yes of course could be a similar situation /... EG If I lived in the Philippines now or in the years of dear Imelda ( Marcos ).. I would be focussed on discussing that situation ... But I live HERE and most of the other posters and we are talking about the situation here in Thailand where we live ... !

I believe the 'strong opinionated' Ozmick may spend the majority of his time in Australia.......of course I may also be corrected on this......not that I see any reason to bring this up......only you did!

Overworked? PMs of countries with far larger area, population and economy still manage to appear in parliament to put forward policies and answer the opposition's questions. OTOH most of them have had actual experience of "work" without the advantages of nepotism and cronyism.

"... most of them have had actual experience of "work" without the advantages of nepotism and cronyism."

Singapore: ... those who all the while look up at Singapore as the most 'graft-free' nation, again they are wrong. Perhaps, Singapore is the country with the highest record of cronyism and nepotism.

http://justread-whatever.blogspot.com/2010/11/singapore-country-with-highest-nepotism.html

Vietnam: Much of the Vietnamese anger about nepotism and poor economic management has been directed at Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, who was re-elected to a five-year term last year.

... The cable, made public through WikiLeaks, highlighted the corporate career of Nguyen Thanh Phuong, the prime minister’s daughter. “There is no doubt that she is talented,” Mr. Winnick wrote. “However, her rapid advance, and the many doors that opened for her and her two brothers are indicative of how the Vietnamese political elite ensures that their progeny are well placed educationally, politically and economically.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/world/asia/in-vietnam-message-of-equality-challenged-by-wealth-gap.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Australia: Appointment of Gillard's partner 'stinks' of nepotism, says Joyce

The Nationals Leader in the Senate, Barnaby Joyce, says Mr Mathieson, a former hairdresser, does not have the credentials for the job.

"Well, I don't want to go out on a limb, but I'm not quite sure whether health care is hair care and that seems to be the credentials for this appointment," he said.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-11-26/appointment-of-gillards-partner-stinks-of-nepotism/219028

Queensland Premier Campbell Newman is likely to face further scrutiny of his handling of nepotism allegations when State Parliament sits today.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-30/mps-gear-up-for-parliament-amid-nepotism-row/4340720

The vice-chancellor of an Australian university will step down in light of allegations that one of his relatives was given an easy ride in an entrance examination. Paul Greenfield, vice-chancellor of the University of Queensland, will leave in June 2012 .... Entry requirements to a course - believed to be medicine - were allegedly lowered to allow Professor Greenfield's relative to enrol.

http://www.improvingthestudentexperience.com/news/nepotism-can-be-fatal/

Madgwicks has been nearly constantly involved in a steady stream of ethical controversies, including one incident where strippers were hired to celebrate a partner’s birthday. The firm was also involved in the notorious University of Melbourne Student Union liquidation where they presided over the expenditure of millions of dollars on litigation they later withdrew due to insufficient evidence. Legal insiders say Graeme Levy – who lives in a Toorak mansion worth at least $5 million – personally profited to the tune of $1 million from that taxpayer funded litigation spree. It’s clear he intends to pass his gains on to his slow-witted son.

http://www.vexnews.com/2009/06/nepotism-at-work-michael-levy-finds-rapid-promotion-at-taxpayer-fuelled-law-firm-madgwicks-thanks-to-father-graeme-levy/

Britain: Nepotism alive and well as one in three lands job through family members

One in three Brits has landed a job through a friend or family member - proving that nepotism is alive and well in the British workplace, a study has shown.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8719786/Nepotism-alive-and-well-as-one-in-three-lands-job-through-family-members.html

New Zealand: Murray McCully accused of nepotism

http://www.3news.co.nz/Murray-McCully-accused-of-epotism/tabid/419/articleID/217996/Default.aspx

South Korea: The South Korean Foreign Minister, Yu Myung-hwan, has offered to resign after it was revealed that his daughter was offered a job in his ministry.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11186649

Italy: The family may be central to Italian business life, but many economists believe that nepotism - the practice of giving jobs to family members - is preventing talented young people from finding work, and holding the country back.

http://article.wn.com/view/2013/02/20/Nepotism_alive_and_kicking_in_Italy/#/related_news

Malaysia: Many investors, both local and foreign, have learnt the hard way to really realise the pitfalls of their investments in Malaysia.

Actually, it is not so difficult to understand the wheeling and dealing because it all revolves around two words – cronyism and nepotism.

http://victorlim1982.blogspot.com/2012/10/cronyism-nepotism-big-business-ethics.html

Does a Shinawatra need to campaign in Chiang Mai ? They probably don't even need to buy votes but will out of love for the public

Wonder how Yingluck feels helping to elect the PM in Waiting ?