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BBC says they are pulling up short of calling it a terrorist attack. blink.png If you plant bombs to create mayhem and terrorise people. You are a terrorist.

Unless of course you are a member of the teaparty when you are anyway, or if indeed you are called a 'rebel' due to the terrorism being pointed in another direction.

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Unless of course you are a member of the teaparty when you are anyway, or if indeed you are called a 'rebel' due to the terrorism being pointed in another direction.

Is that so? Since when?

Example?

Posted

Thanks for the explanation of time-stamp on sites, but let's stay on topic and away from conspiracy theories at this point in time.

Look whose fueling these conspiracy theories. None other than the left-wing media:

Nick Valencia

@CNNValencia

BOLO put out by Boston law enforcement

for "dark skinned or black male" who tried to gain restricted access

minutes b4 1st explosion #CNN

MORE- The man was seen wearing a black sweatshirt & had a black packback. Possible foreign national based on accent #CNN #BostonExplosion

12:27 AM - 16 Apr 13

And then you've got MSNBC:

Chris Matthews: I'm Not Going to Speculate, But This Is Obviously a Rightwing Plot

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/15/chris-matthews-democratic-congressman-suggest-tax-day-tie-to-boston-attacks/

And watch the speculation stop dead and newsflow evaporate if JIM is involved.

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Unless of course you are a member of the teaparty when you are anyway, or if indeed you are called a 'rebel' due to the terrorism being pointed in another direction.

Is that so? Since when?

Example?

Democrats whining that the teaparty were terrorists and Syrian terrorists termed as 'rebels' by the MSM, and don't feign naivety.

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Unless of course you are a member of the teaparty when you are anyway, or if indeed you are called a 'rebel' due to the terrorism being pointed in another direction.

Is that so? Since when?

Example?

Democrats whining that the teaparty were terrorists and Syrian terrorists termed as 'rebels' by the MSM, and don't feign naivety.

I had no idea what you were talking about. In fact, I thought maybe you were saying that people would not accuse the Tea Party but rather only look at Islamists.

I'm not feigning anything. What an odd thing to accuse me of - why would did you base that assumption on?

So what was your point - that the "MSM" is not labeling people as they should be labelled (or else labeling them incompletely - "rebel" is not only accurate in the case of Syria it is not mutually exclusive with "terrorist"). Some Democrats saying really mean things about the Tea Party?

Strange.

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Unless of course you are a member of the teaparty when you are anyway, or if indeed you are called a 'rebel' due to the terrorism being pointed in another direction.

Is that so? Since when?

Example?

Democrats whining that the teaparty were terrorists and Syrian terrorists termed as 'rebels' by the MSM, and don't feign naivety.

I had no idea what you were talking about. In fact, I thought maybe you were saying that people would not accuse the Tea Party but rather only look at Islamists.

I'm not feigning anything. What an odd thing to accuse me of - why would did you base that assumption on?

So what was your point - that the "MSM" is not labeling people as they should be labelled (or else labeling them incompletely - "rebel" is not only accurate in the case of Syria it is not mutually exclusive with "terrorist"). Some Democrats saying really mean things about the Tea Party?

Strange.

I suggest you read Orwell to understand political abuse of language, yes terrorist and rebel are not mutually exclusive, but the use of them is far from coincidental. P.S I read the Saudi man questioned had burn injuries, which suggests he was close to one of the blasts if confirmed.

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I suggest you read Orwell to understand political abuse of language, yes terrorist and rebel are not mutually exclusive, but the use of them is far from coincidental. P.S I read the Saudi man questioned had burn injuries, which suggests he was close to one of the blasts if confirmed.

I've not only read a lot of Orwell, I've read a lot about what his work can tell us. However, I believe even if I hadn't I would have understood and been concerned about political abuse of language and as such I've written fairly extensively about it for the last 15 years or so; indeed I've not only talked about it more than once on this forum, I referenced it earlier in this very thread.

By the way, in each of these posts, your heated assumptions highlight how prejudiced you are.

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I suggest you read Orwell to understand political abuse of language, yes terrorist and rebel are not mutually exclusive, but the use of them is far from coincidental. P.S I read the Saudi man questioned had burn injuries, which suggests he was close to one of the blasts if confirmed.

I've not only read a lot of Orwell, I've read a lot about what his work can tell us. However, I believe even if I hadn't I would have understood and been concerned about political abuse of language and as such I've written fairly extensively about it for the last 15 years or so; indeed I've not only talked about it more than once on this forum, I referenced it earlier in this very thread.

By the way, in each of these posts, your heated assumptions highlight how prejudiced you are.

I'm not sure what you are talking about when you claim I'm making 'Heated Assumptions' are you thinking what you think I must be thinking and projecting that as fact perchance? rolleyes.gif I have made no assumptions, unlike some in the MSM, here is a summary of such pending more material facts becoming known and from someone far more left wing than myself I might add seeing as he already claims the teaparty are terrorists in waiting.

http://www.stableytimes.com/news/boston-marathon-explosion-muslims-tea-party-face-terrorism-accusations/

Posted

Thanks for the explanation of time-stamp on sites, but let's stay on topic and away from conspiracy theories at this point in time.

Look whose fueling these conspiracy theories. None other than the left-wing media:

Nick Valencia

@CNNValencia

BOLO put out by Boston law enforcement

for "dark skinned or black male" who tried to gain restricted access

minutes b4 1st explosion #CNN

MORE- The man was seen wearing a black sweatshirt & had a black packback. Possible foreign national based on accent #CNN #BostonExplosion

12:27 AM - 16 Apr 13

And then you've got MSNBC:

Chris Matthews: I'm Not Going to Speculate, But This Is Obviously a Rightwing Plot

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/15/chris-matthews-democratic-congressman-suggest-tax-day-tie-to-boston-attacks/

And watch the speculation stop dead and newsflow evaporate if JIM is involved.

Who's JIM?

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Thanks for the explanation of time-stamp on sites, but let's stay on topic and away from conspiracy theories at this point in time.

Look whose fueling these conspiracy theories. None other than the left-wing media:

Nick Valencia

@CNNValencia

BOLO put out by Boston law enforcement

for "dark skinned or black male" who tried to gain restricted access

minutes b4 1st explosion #CNN

MORE- The man was seen wearing a black sweatshirt & had a black packback. Possible foreign national based on accent #CNN #BostonExplosion12:27 AM - 16 Apr 13

And then you've got MSNBC:

Chris Matthews: I'm Not Going to Speculate, But This Is Obviously a Rightwing Plot

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/15/chris-matthews-democratic-congressman-suggest-tax-day-tie-to-boston-attacks/

And watch the speculation stop dead and newsflow evaporate if JIM is involved.

Who's JIM?

Don't pretend you don't know!

Posted

A post asked what is the evidence? It is indeed thin but it is something and so far it appears to be a credible theory but so is just a lone wolf madman with no political agenda. I wouldn't even call this evidence but rather circumstantial clues that may or may not end up being relevant.

Also note at the FBI is in charge of the case, the U.S. federal government is indeed treating this as a terrorist attack rather than a less loaded crime. That could indeed be domestic or international terror.

Mr Barrett, who is now senior director at the Qatar International
Academy for Security Studies (QIASS), said: "At the moment it looks more
likely that it was a right-wing terrorist incident, rather than an al
Qaida attack because of the size of the devices."

He added: "This
happened on Patriots' Day, it is also the day Americans are supposed to
have their taxes in, and Boston is quite a symbolic city. These are all
little indicators."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rightwing-terror-attack-most-likely-to-blame-for-boston-outrage-says-counterterrorism-expert-8574608.html

Posted
A post asked what is the evidence? It is indeed thin but it is something and so far it appears to be the most likely theory, other than just a lone wolf madman with no political agenda.

Mr Barrett, who is now senior director at the Qatar International

Academy for Security Studies (QIASS), said: "At the moment it looks more

likely that it was a right-wing terrorist incident, rather than an al

Qaida attack because of the size of the devices."

He added: "This

happened on Patriots' Day, it is also the day Americans are supposed to

have their taxes in, and Boston is quite a symbolic city. These are all

little indicators."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rightwing-terror-attack-most-likely-to-blame-for-boston-outrage-says-counterterrorism-expert-8574608.html

:)

'Fess up - when you said it 2 hours ago, you hadn't found that yet, had you?

I don't see any reason to see only two theories as being "most likely" - indeed I don't see how virtually anything at all can be seen as such given how soon it is and how little we know.

In any case, as I said previously, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this does turn out to be domestic. But with all due respect, am I mistaken in thinking that you have in the past predicted that we would see such a thing? And that you have some less than objective reasons for viewing this as you do?

Posted

A post asked what is the evidence? It is indeed thin but it is something and so far it appears to be the most likely theory, other than just a lone wolf madman with no political agenda.

Mr Barrett, who is now senior director at the Qatar International

Academy for Security Studies (QIASS), said: "At the moment it looks more

likely that it was a right-wing terrorist incident, rather than an al

Qaida attack because of the size of the devices."

He added: "This

happened on Patriots' Day, it is also the day Americans are supposed to

have their taxes in, and Boston is quite a symbolic city. These are all

little indicators."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rightwing-terror-attack-most-likely-to-blame-for-boston-outrage-says-counterterrorism-expert-8574608.html

smile.png

'Fess up - when you said it 2 hours ago, you hadn't found that yet, had you?

I don't see any reason to see only two theories as being "most likely" - indeed I don't see how virtually anything at all can be seen as such given how soon it is and how little we know.

No I just found the link. It's pretty much exactly what I already thought but I hadn't considered the importance of the small size of the bombs. I don't see the relevance in any case as to when I found the link. I am capable of both independent thought AND finding links.

I had already changed the quoted post to: it appears to be a credible theory

By finding a link quoting someone who is an actual EXPERT in these matters, I do feel I have added credibility to my original suspicions about who might be behind this so I feel I have proven this isn't a matter of having a crackpot irrational theory. There are indeed some real clues about it being from the domestic extremist right wing. That doesn't mean that it is. We obviously don't KNOW yet.

Posted

The Pakistani Taliban, which claimed the 2010 Times Square bomb plot, has denied
anything to do with explosions that killed three people and wounded more than
100 in Boston.

"We believe in attacking US and its allies but we are not involved in this
attack," Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan told AFP on
Tuesday.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/04/16/18/31/taliban-deny-involvement-in-boston-blast

Posted

No I just found the link. It's pretty much exactly what I already thought but I hadn't considered the importance of the small size of the bombs. I don't see the relevance in any case as to when I found the link. I am capable of both independent thought AND finding links.

I had already changed the quoted post to: it appears to be a credible theory

The relevance is that perhaps you may not have had any sound reasons for repeatedly referencing clues when you did.

I haven't the slightest doubt that you are capable of both. You are clearly an intelligent and thinking person.

Posted

By finding a link quoting someone who is an actual EXPERT in these matters, I do feel I have added credibility to my original suspicions about who might be behind this so I feel I have proven this isn't a matter of having a crackpot irrational theory. There are indeed some real clues about it being from the domestic extremist right wing.

* I think you have too.

* Depends on what you call "clues" I guess. Or how much weight you want to assign them.

Posted

Terrorist bombs kill the same coming from domestic right wing, domestic left wing, or foreign sources all the same. Whoever did this, I am sure I share the sentiment of over 99 percent of Americans and President Obama as well: catch these bad guys and punish them!

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The Pakistani Taliban, which claimed the 2010 Times Square bomb plot, has denied

anything to do with explosions that killed three people and wounded more than

100 in Boston.

"We believe in attacking US and its allies but we are not involved in this

attack," Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan told AFP on

Tuesday.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/04/16/18/31/taliban-deny-involvement-in-boston-blast

In other words, please don't send the drones.

I didn't think there would be anything on this thread that would make me chuckle.

Posted

Thanks for the explanation of time-stamp on sites, but let's stay on topic and away from conspiracy theories at this point in time.

Look whose fueling these conspiracy theories. None other than the left-wing media:

Nick Valencia

@CNNValencia

BOLO put out by Boston law enforcement

for "dark skinned or black male" who tried to gain restricted access

minutes b4 1st explosion #CNN

MORE- The man was seen wearing a black sweatshirt & had a black packback. Possible foreign national based on accent #CNN #BostonExplosion12:27 AM - 16 Apr 13

And then you've got MSNBC:

Chris Matthews: I'm Not Going to Speculate, But This Is Obviously a Rightwing Plot

http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/15/chris-matthews-democratic-congressman-suggest-tax-day-tie-to-boston-attacks/

And watch the speculation stop dead and newsflow evaporate if JIM is involved.

Who's JIM?

Don't pretend you don't know!

Sorry mate, serious question. I'm not pretending anything thank you, how am I supposed to understand your acronyms?

Posted

A post asked what is the evidence? It is indeed thin but it is something and so far it appears to be a credible theory but so is just a lone wolf madman with no political agenda. I wouldn't even call this evidence but rather circumstantial clues that may or may not end up being relevant.

Also note at the FBI is in charge of the case, the U.S. federal government is indeed treating this as a terrorist attack rather than a less loaded crime. That could indeed be domestic or international terror.

Mr Barrett, who is now senior director at the Qatar International

Academy for Security Studies (QIASS), said: "At the moment it looks more

likely that it was a right-wing terrorist incident, rather than an al

Qaida attack because of the size of the devices."

He added: "This

happened on Patriots' Day, it is also the day Americans are supposed to

have their taxes in, and Boston is quite a symbolic city. These are all

little indicators."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rightwing-terror-attack-most-likely-to-blame-for-boston-outrage-says-counterterrorism-expert-8574608.html

Actually, given the amateurish nature of the job, it could well turn out to be another Ted Kaczynski-style lunatic.

Posted

And watch the speculation stop dead and newsflow evaporate if JIM is involved.

Who's JIM?

Don't pretend you don't know!

Sorry mate, serious question. I'm not pretending anything thank you, how am I supposed to understand your acronyms?

Sorry mate, joking reply. It's not MY acronym; I've never used it. My response was parodying the person who used it as he had previously accused me of feigning naïveté when I didn't understand his allusions.

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By finding a link quoting someone who is an actual EXPERT in these matters, I do feel I have added credibility to my original suspicions about who might be behind this so I feel I have proven this isn't a matter of having a crackpot irrational theory. There are indeed some real clues about it being from the domestic extremist right wing.

* I think you have too.

* Depends on what you call "clues" I guess. Or how much weight you want to assign them.

Of course I don't know either, but the local nut terrorist theory seems most likely to me too.

Not only the small basic bombs, and the date full of meaning to Americans, but not to anyone of another culture, but also the marked lack of dead suicide bombers.

Martyrdom is so ideologically important to the Al-Qaeda types, and gives such meaning and motivation to their actions that the lack of it is telling, I think.

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If this was Al Qaeda, wouldn't they be jumping up and down saying it was us by now?

No, not necessarily.

They didn't after 9/11 (for just one example).

Besides, al Qaeda is not one single unified entity nor is it the only foreign and/or Islamist group that could or would do such a thing.

Posted

If you plant bombs to create mayhem and terrorise people. You are a terrorist.

First of all, we don't know that the motive was "to create mayhem and terrorise people" - though that would of course be an inevitable and perhaps welcome byproduct - rather than just to harm people for some other sick reason.

Though there isn't - and can't be - one universally accepted definition of "terrorism", those accepted widely include more than that (apolitical goal, in my opinion, chief among them); not everyone who sets out to kill and injure is a terrorist.

I am not for a second dismissing the idea that this will be found to be a terrorist attack - like most, I'm sure it will be. I just think it's important to not oversimplify and I also feel that since 2001, "terrorist/terrorism" is bandied about far too easily and and as a result has been politicized by all sides. Not at all, saying that your post is doing that but on principle I tend to speak up on this...

Ok, bro...

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