North Korea Demands The Removal Of U N Sanctions If U S Wants Dialogue

[webfact]

North Korea demands the removal of U.N. sanctions if U.S. wants dialogue

North Korea demanded on Thursday the removal of U.N. sanctions imposed for its nuclear and missile tests and a U.S. pledge not to engage in "nuclear war practice" with South Korea if Washington truly sought dialogue.

"If the United States and the puppet South have the slightest desire to avoid the sledge-hammer blow of our army and the people ... and truly wish dialogue and negotiations, they must make the resolute decision," the North's National Defence Commission said in a statement.

"Firstly, the sanctions resolutions by the U.N. Security Council that were fabricated with unjust reasons must be withdrawn," the North's top military body said in a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency.

Source: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_04_18/North-Korea-demands-the-removal-of-U-N-sanctions-if-U-S-wants-dialogue-077/

-- THE VOICE OF RUSSIA 2013-04-18

[Thaddeus]

North Korea demands the removal of U.N. sanctions if U.S. wants dialogue

Or we'll huff and we'll puff ..............

[ThaidDown]

In the past after DPRK blusterings half hearted apologies have been made, talks have been set, and appeasement has been attempted.... all with no result.

How about this time they are told very nicely and diplomatically 'Go Forth and Multiply'.

[cdnvic]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

[comserve]

North Korea demands the removal of U.N. sanctions if U.S. wants dialogue

Or we'll huff and we'll puff ..............

Pigs might fly too!!!

[Dap]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

And if hard pressed, will produce Photoshop results to prove they do indeed posess such a formidable weapon

[livil]

north Korea : one of the only country where the american idea of " bringing democracy and free people " would be justified in my eyes .

[theblether]

Give them nothing......in fact go back to the UN and screw the sanctions even harder, and South Korea can tell them to ram that joint industrial park up their *ss.

Trying to be reasonable with them has never worked before so why should it now?

[marshall stanley]

They behave like recalcitrant children do. This whole bluster from them is designed to get something from the West.

"Ok we'll pretend to put away our nukes if you send us some money and food and and and. wah...wah....wah."

Then when they run out of the free stuff from the West they will once again bring out their nukes to blackball the West

into giving them something for nothing.

Stand fast, don't give them anything and hopefully they will starve themselves off the planet.

[marshall stanley]

north Korea : one of the only country where the american idea of " bringing democracy and free people " would be justified in my eyes .

They are not up to that level - To have democracy and freedom demands a high degree of responsibility, they are too indoctrinated into being puppets to ever aspire to something more than being blind followers.

[Publicus]

Kim jon-gun is too radical and unpredictable for Beijing to accept. Beijing wants N Korea as a buffer against S Korean democracy, the U.S. military in S Korea, and its old adversary Japan. China for 2000 years has viewed,the Korean peninsula as a whole as a buffer against Japan in particular, regardless of which of the two was trying to invade to conquer the other.China historically has always been involved in Korean dynasties, their politics and their wars.

The Nuke Kid on the Block, Jong Un, is however new, unstable, erratic, dangerously unpredictable. Kim Jong Un is in the hands of the generals, which makes him a pawn of the military rather than the master of it. It's obvious to everyone, and especially painful to Beijing, that Jong Un is not going to be the stable or predictable leader Beijing wants and needs in Pyongyang..That Kim is barely 30 years old,must be causing Beijing to suffer through their worst nightmares. Add to that that Beijing knows it would have the Jong Un regime for the next 45 to 50 years, or more, must be causing many sleepless nights in Beijing.

Beijing has made clear privately and publicly the last thing it wants is a nuclearized Korean peninsula. Pyongyang has nuclear bombs and missiles, soon to be ready to deliver and with only more to come.

So while Beijing considers N Korea's role as a buffer a vital national security and "core interest," Beijing is not necessarily committed to the new and reckless Pyongyang nuclear regime per se. The regimes in Beijing and Pyongyang are no longer connected by ideology, and Pyongyang clearly has broken with Beijing as a client state.

Equally disconcerting to Beijing is the surprise visit last week to Pyongyang of the Indian Joint Secretary and Head of East Asian Affairs Gautam Bambawale. Dr. Bambawale is much respected internationally as an effective diplomat. He then travelled on to Beijing. It's believed the United States quietly requested Bambawale to be in NE Asia at the same time U.S. SecState John Kerry was making the rounds there.

The PRChinese detest India and its democracy. Beijing surely recognizes that India's involvement in the N Korean nuclear threats both increases India's role in NE Asia and reflects the diminished role Beijing has in controlling N Korea. I would look for Beijing to get about organizing a coup in Pyongyang, if Beijing isn't doing so already.

[nong38]

The boy needs a damn good thrashing! Bullies and loudmouths get their come upence before long.

[ThaidDown]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

So, if we read in the next few days that he is threatening the moon with a death ray, we will know that he reads Thaivisa and he got the idea from you

(He might even be a member, wonder what his user name would be?)

[Wat dee]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

And if hard pressed, will produce Photoshop results to prove they do indeed posess such a formidable weapon

Let's leave photoshopping and fabricating evidence of formidable weapons to the experts (CIA/WESTWING)

[Publicus]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

Yes, your point about the boy idiot is well taken. You are not alone.

John Pike, director of globalsecurity.org said the other day he is worried North Korea has painted itself into a corner situation where it must make good on its threats or risk losing face and credibility. Pike said sending a nuclear bomb over Guam is not implausible, "which makes the Pentagon’s decision to deploy the THAAD anti-missile system only sensible.”

Pike noted that possession of nuclear weapons implies a willingness to use them. If the North Korean leadership felt that a demonstration test against a military target would be of some value, an airburst over Guam would be on the short list, according to Pike. (An air burst is a detonation of a bomb in the air at altitude, rather than near or at ground level.)

“The North Koreans have run out of [non-] kinetic provocations, haven’t they? I mean, how many times can you declare war?” Pike said. “If they don’t start shooting any day now, everybody’s going to say they’re a bunch of chickens, that they can talk the talk but they’re not willing to walk the walk, aren’t they?

And they’re going to say of Kim Jong-Un, "He don’t know how to run nothing but his mouth.”.

[Dap]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

And if hard pressed, will produce Photoshop results to prove they do indeed posess such a formidable weapon

Let's leave photoshopping and fabricating evidence of formidable weapons to the experts (CIA/WESTWING)

Was merely commenting on the photoshopped releases from the No. Korean military exercise last week.

[transam]

There is only a few tin pot regimes left on our planet that l hope will soon be silenced so we can, and NK folk can, live a life with just daily domestic worries.

[Steely Dan]

If North Korea maintains it's current level of histrionics it's in danger of being voted onto the UNHRC, perhaps they can be offered this as a pacifier.

[Guest]

John Pike, director of globalsecurity.org said the other day he is worried North Korea has painted itself into a corner situation where it must make good on its threats or risk losing face and credibility. Pike said sending a nuclear bomb over Guam is not implausible, "which makes the Pentagon’s decision to deploy the THAAD anti-missile system only sensible.”

Pike noted that possession of nuclear weapons implies a willingness to use them. If the North Korean leadership felt that a demonstration test against a military target would be of some value, an airburst over Guam would be on the short list, according to Pike. (An air burst is a detonation of a bomb in the air at altitude, rather than near or at ground level.)

Kim Il onceagain could alter the next nuke to become an neutron bomb. Put it to an balloon and take it to the high up.

Then detonate it at high altitude creating EMP. 30km altitude should be enough to reach almost whole South Korea and some parts of Japan.

This would just be an "test" on their own soil. It would not have too much effect to NK, but there would be quite a few dead Samsung mobiles at the south.

[Tywais]

Kim Il onceagain could alter the next nuke to become an neutron bomb. Put it to an balloon and take it to the high up.

Then detonate it at high altitude creating EMP. 30km altitude should be enough to reach almost whole South Korea and some parts of Japan.

This would just be an "test" on their own soil. It would not have too much effect to NK, but there would be quite a few dead Samsung mobiles at the south.

I just watched that movie recently. A Neutron bomb requires fusion reaction and not fission reaction as in their current devices. They require a lot of Tritium and produced quickly as the half life is quite short, in other words it has a 'use by' date on them. Long way between the two technologies.

[Guest]

Kim Il onceagain could alter the next nuke to become an neutron bomb. Put it to an balloon and take it to the high up.

Then detonate it at high altitude creating EMP. 30km altitude should be enough to reach almost whole South Korea and some parts of Japan.

This would just be an "test" on their own soil. It would not have too much effect to NK, but there would be quite a few dead Samsung mobiles at the south.

I just watched that movie recently. A Neutron bomb requires fusion reaction and not fission reaction as in their current devices. They require a lot of Tritium and produced quickly as the half life is quite short, in other words it has a 'use by' date on them. Long way between the two technologies.

I did not see an movie, but my memory seems to be wrong. I did remembered it was an fission bomb with some sort of cover, which would increase the neutron flow. When detonated at high altitudes, released neutrons would excite electrons on the boards and burn the electronics. Memories from 20 years ago..

Wiki and other sources seem to confirm what you say. Darn!

Tritium half life seems to be 12 years. Did you ment that there was a free flow of heavy water from former Soviet Union after it collapsed?

Which movie btw?

[IsaanUSA]

I would look for Beijing to get about organizing a coup in Pyongyang, if Beijing isn't doing so already.

Then what would happen after that? (Just curious)

[Publicus]

I would look for Beijing to get about organizing a coup in Pyongyang, if Beijing isn't doing so already.

Then what would happen after that? (Just curious)

That would be the next question for sure. (My above post was running long as it was.)

The immediate backdrop is that Beijing and Pyongyang currently are holding each other hostage. Beijing is hostage to Pyongyang because it's propping up the N Korean regime by providing things the N Korean economy cannot, e.g. food oil etc. At this point Beijing's worst nightmare - second only to a war - is the collapse of the Pyongyang regime. The chaos and upheaval caused by a collapse would shake up NE Asia and risk the very war scenario Beijing (and everyone else) abhors. So Beijing provides. Pyongyang is hostage to Beijing because without the Beijing interlocutors to mediate the crises Beijing quietly encourages, such as the recent shelling of the S Korean island and the sinking of a S Korean submarine, Pyongyang would have no way out of the crises in which it is the up-front actor. The West has alleviated crises on the Korean peninsula by providing Pyongyang with the additional food, oil, access to hard cash USDollars etc etc. This also alleviates Beijing's burden of providing virtually all of N Korea's basic needs (Beijing's chief motivation in surreptitiously creating or encouraging crises).

Beijing continues to have generals in Pyongyang as well as party economists who are more comfortable being well and congenially connected to Beijing. Kim has sidelined generals already, removing very senior and powerful big hats from their positions while favoring others. Most of the sidelined generals favor following the Deng Xiao Peng line of economic reforms. Their interest is in the historical Korean conceit of juche, i.e. the self-reliant economy and nation. There are sidelined and some active economists who favor the Deng Xiao Peng approach, the cultural imperative of self-reliance. With a real economy, the generals can start modern high tech weapons programs that would further juche in reality.

Pyongyang's blackmail of the West has been highly successful over an extended period of time. However, the present attempts at blackmail involve a threatened use of nuclear weapons. The other five countries directly involved in the long comatose six-party talks - S Korea, Russia, Japan, the PRC, the U.S. - absolutely will not accept a nuclear N Korea. This is their red line. And this is why the present situation, which seems a joke to so many, is extremely dangerous. Kim has long passed the point to back down. Consequently, the boy Kim's position as leader is itself at great risk.

In Beijing, the prospect of having friendly generals and economists reconnected with the CCP has strong appeal. Beijing would assure the other five parties, and the U.N., that a coup would be well planned, executed, controlled. A Beijing sponsored coup would dispose of the Kim the juvenile delinquent with dangerous toys problem, leaving with Beijing the post coup matter of dealing with Kim or his corpse. Ridding N Korea of Kim in favor of pro-Beijing generals and reform economists would restore stability and create growth of the N Korean economy.

A coup offers the only real resolution to both Beijing and to the international community. A new regime in Pyongyang installed by Beijing would rid it of the awful embarrassment it presently suffers due to its loss of control of Pyongyang. And it would remove the rationale initiated during this crisis of the U.S., S Korea and, Japan especially, to draw Indian peacemakers into NE Asia as the new interlocutor. Beijing wretches at the thought of India becoming the new interlocutor in crises initiated by Pygongyang acting on its own, while Beijing has to accept the much hated Indians in Beijing conducting the role Beijing both invented and is so accustomed to play. Beijing has been adamant against any Indian presence or influence in NE Asia.

As an afterthought in this post, Japanese PM Shinzo Abe already has distressed Beijing by presenting and coining the term the "Democracy Diamond" of the region. Abe has called for democracies to link together in a diamond shape, from Japan to Hawaii, to Australia, and on to India, to promote and support democratic government and values in the Pacific-East Asia-Indian Ocean region. As evidenced by India's unprecedented involvement in the present crisis in NE Asia, Abe's new policy conception has strong appeal in New Delhi. Conversely, Beijing accurately views this as containment against its authoritarian rule supported by a fast growing and high tech PRC military.

[ZhouZhou]

... and a U.S. pledge not to engage in "nuclear war practice" with South Korea if Washington truly sought dialogue.

I see nothing wrong with that demand.

[Tywais]

Wiki and other sources seem to confirm what you say. Darn!

Which movie btw?

The movie is Red Dawn (2012 version). North Korea and an EMP weapon.

I worked in nuclear physics for 15 years in the US and 20 years at a fast neutron research facility in Thailand where Tritium was a byproduct of the experiments.

[transam]

Wiki and other sources seem to confirm what you say. Darn!

Which movie btw?

The movie is Red Dawn (2012 version). North Korea and an EMP weapon.

I worked in nuclear physics for 15 years in the US and 20 years at a fast neutron research facility in Thailand where Tritium was a byproduct of the experiments.

WoW, sometimes here we learn about folk. You have my admiration.

[Publicus]

John Pike, director of globalsecurity.org said the other day he is worried North Korea has painted itself into a corner situation where it must make good on its threats or risk losing face and credibility. Pike said sending a nuclear bomb over Guam is not implausible, "which makes the Pentagon’s decision to deploy the THAAD anti-missile system only sensible.”

Pike noted that possession of nuclear weapons implies a willingness to use them. If the North Korean leadership felt that a demonstration test against a military target would be of some value, an airburst over Guam would be on the short list, according to Pike. (An air burst is a detonation of a bomb in the air at altitude, rather than near or at ground level.)

Kim Il onceagain could alter the next nuke to become an neutron bomb. Put it to an balloon and take it to the high up.

Then detonate it at high altitude creating EMP. 30km altitude should be enough to reach almost whole South Korea and some parts of Japan.

This would just be an "test" on their own soil. It would not have too much effect to NK, but there would be quite a few dead Samsung mobiles at the south.

Video: US Successfully Tests EMP Bomb

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33238.htm

Do you believe or think North Korea is up to this, or anywhere near having such knowhow or technology? (Another poster presented a different article on this recently, but I can't find it.)

Beijing itself isn't anywhere near having such a weapon.

[Thaddeus]

He's threatened the US with thermonuclear attack. About all he's got left is to threaten to blow up the moon with some kind of death ray.

So, if we read in the next few days that he is threatening the moon with a death ray, we will know that he reads Thaivisa and he got the idea from you

(He might even be a member, wonder what his user name would be?)

"Kim il Fixit"

[Guest]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33238.htm

Do you believe or think North Korea is up to this, or anywhere near having such knowhow or technology? (Another poster presented a different article on this recently, but I can't find it.)

Beijing itself isn't anywhere near having such a weapon.

That's a very different technology. I ment creating neutron flow with nuclear explosion. But seems that it's also not really possible for NK to produce.

One author from my country produces entertaining science fiction mixed with environmental issues. I don't always agree with the message, but his books are very nice to read. One of these was Lithium 6 (which was to produce tritium to increase the neutron flow.).

Tywais: I knew that you are working on the field. My highest respects as well

[Guest]

Do you believe or think North Korea is up to this, or anywhere near having such knowhow or technology? (Another poster presented a different article on this recently, but I can't find it.)

Beijing itself isn't anywhere near having such a weapon.

That sounds interesting, but the actual test is not very impressive, at least how they showed it. Old tube type of monitors loosing pictures for an moment.