Liverpool F.c.

[sharecropper]

The boy's done good Biran. He's just misunderstood. He's seen space in the box, gone straight for goal, and gone down too early under a light challenge from a formidable legal team.

I can't wait to see him against Liverpool next season after this.

ALso, <deleted> is Rodgers doing? Take the money and get rid. Liverpool and Rodgers have already had rings run around them by Suarez and I don't agree that Rodgers looks tough - he looks like he's lost control of the situation.

[rixalex]

Liverpool spent the last however years and months sticking by an arseh*le acting in the way arseh*les do, defending him at every turn and telling us it was an unfair media witch hunt brought about because of the fact that he's a foreigner, and now he's predictably finally gone and shat on their heads, and now suddenly he is an arseh*le they tell us?!

Football players often behave like little kids and may need to be treated as such. If a little kid acts up and all you do is put your arm around them and comfort them, chances are you'll be seeing a lot more of this behavior in the future. Don't complain when you do...

and you don't throw your own out of the boat, which as a united fan you should well know. you back them until such time as they choose to jump overboard themselves.

united fans have stuck by cantona, keane, giggs and other assorted <deleted>. chelsea fans stick by john terry and jose mourinho. football fans are hypocrites who spend a great deal of the time with their heads in the sand shocker.

I won't and can't speak for other United supporters, but for me, sure, when whoever it is puts on the shirt and walks onto the pitch, they have my unflinching 100% support, but as soon as they come off it, i don't see it as my duty to defend them and all they get up to, and if they do something stupid, on the pitch or off it, the least i would do if i wasn't attacking them, is to refrain from comment. Blindly defend them and waste time arguing with others on their behalf, just because they are in my team? No thanks. I save my blind loyalty for the club, not for every single idiot it employs.

[carmine]

Liverpool spent the last however years and months sticking by an arseh*le acting in the way arseh*les do, defending him at every turn and telling us it was an unfair media witch hunt brought about because of the fact that he's a foreigner, and now he's predictably finally gone and shat on their heads, and now suddenly he is an arseh*le they tell us?!

Football players often behave like little kids and may need to be treated as such. If a little kid acts up and all you do is put your arm around them and comfort them, chances are you'll be seeing a lot more of this behavior in the future. Don't complain when you do...

and you don't throw your own out of the boat, which as a united fan you should well know. you back them until such time as they choose to jump overboard themselves.

united fans have stuck by cantona, keane, giggs and other assorted <deleted>. chelsea fans stick by john terry and jose mourinho. football fans are hypocrites who spend a great deal of the time with their heads in the sand shocker.

I won't and can't speak for other United supporters, but for me, sure, when whoever it is puts on the shirt and walks onto the pitch, they have my unflinching 100% support, but as soon as they come off it, i don't see it as my duty to defend them and all they get up to, and if they do something stupid, on the pitch or off it, the least i would do if i wasn't attacking them, is to refrain from comment. Blindly defend them and waste time arguing with others on their behalf, just because they are in my team? No thanks. I save my blind loyalty for the club, not for every single idiot it employs.

I'm in agreement the club is all important and comes first. Maybe its old school and outdated but i'm not getting any younger and i despised Modric in his last season for us and him wearing the shirt felt nothing more than an insult to my club. I'd love to know what Bill Nich would have had to say on the subject as i would a couple of Liverpool managers of the past regards Suarez

[Devil]

I wasn't expecting this but very happy our owner has took a stance and backed what the Manager had said !

"Luis Suárez is going nowhere" says Liverpool's owner John W Henry

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/08/luis-suarez-liverpool-john-w-henry

[MrRed]

It is all well and good but why keep him when he is very unhappy,same Rooney if not happy they have to go....eventually.

[StevieH]

The boy's done good Biran. He's just misunderstood. He's seen space in the box, gone straight for goal, and gone down too early under a light challenge from a formidable legal team.

I can't wait to see him against Liverpool next season after this.

ALso, <deleted> is Rodgers doing? Take the money and get rid. Liverpool and Rodgers have already had rings run around them by Suarez and I don't agree that Rodgers looks tough - he looks like he's lost control of the situation.

"had rings run around them". you know you're not very good at this wind-up stuff right? some blues can be now and then, but it's rare.

[BangrakBob]

It is all well and good but why keep him when he is very unhappy,same Rooney if not happy they have to go....eventually.

I'd agree but just not to Arsenal

[StevieH]

I wasn't expecting this but very happy our owner has took a stance and backed what the Manager had said !

"Luis Suárez is going nowhere" says Liverpool's owner John W Henry

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/08/luis-suarez-liverpool-john-w-henry

yeah, good to hear from henry for a change. he's pretty unequivocal about it as well. so if we now were to sell suarez to whoever henry would be left looking a bit silly.

[iancnx]

From BangrakBob on the utd thread....

Quote//Regarding Suarez is doesn't come down to the "math" it comes down to not selling to Arsenal. It has nothing to do with dressing rooms either, you don't win football matches in dressing rooms. We've won all 6 tour matches scoring 17 while conceding 1 goal, without Suarez having an influence. I know it's pre-season but my point is there is no side-effects from the side show. Apologies United...for hijacking.//

Similar to my response on Rooney, You don't win games in the dressing room but team morale is a key component for motivation, teamwork and results! It is rumoured Brendan Rodgers has sidelined Suarez, but it is unlikely that position will last all season, especially if your premiership position does not meet expectations. If you are bottom half he will be forced to reintroduce his star striker.... Good luck with that. Hence my suggestion better to offload him now rather than have a Tevez type situation to contend with.

On the other hand you could argue Rodgers is absolutely right to manage the situation and compels Suarez to buck up and comply with the terms of his contract, and show the Liverpool faithful some respect. Don't let these pre-madonna superstars get away with blue murder.....etc etc. admirable stance, and brave, but he cannot be sure of the end result, so quite a risk really for him (Rodgers). Not a good place to be in for a second season manager.

The other version is Suarez is not being sidelined at all. He is evidently injured and Rodgers is quoted the other day as saying: “Luis picked up an injury in the open training session at Anfield yesterday and, along with a number of other players, we decided this game (in Oslo) was too much of a risk for him......... we are very much trying to build and go forward and we want to keep our best players.

All a bit contradictory, and, at best, unsettling for the squad I should have thought?

[BangrakBob]

From BangrakBob on the utd thread....

Quote//Regarding Suarez is doesn't come down to the "math" it comes down to not selling to Arsenal. It has nothing to do with dressing rooms either, you don't win football matches in dressing rooms. We've won all 6 tour matches scoring 17 while conceding 1 goal, without Suarez having an influence. I know it's pre-season but my point is there is no side-effects from the side show. Apologies United...for hijacking.//

Similar to my response on Rooney, You don't win games in the dressing room but team morale is a key component for motivation, teamwork and results! It is rumoured Brendan Rodgers has sidelined Suarez, but it is unlikely that position will last all season, especially if your premiership position does not meet expectations. If you are bottom half he will be forced to reintroduce his star striker.... Good luck with that. Hence my suggestion better to offload him now rather than have a Tevez type situation to contend with.

On the other hand you could argue Rodgers is absolutely right to manage the situation and compels Suarez to buck up and comply with the terms of his contract, and show the Liverpool faithful some respect. Don't let these pre-madonna superstars get away with blue murder.....etc etc. admirable stance, and brave, but he cannot be sure of the end result, so quite a risk really for him (Rodgers). Not a good place to be in for a second season manager.

The other version is Suarez is not being sidelined at all. He is evidently injured and Rodgers is quoted the other day as saying: “Luis picked up an injury in the open training session at Anfield yesterday and, along with a number of other players, we decided this game (in Oslo) was too much of a risk for him......... we are very much trying to build and go forward and we want to keep our best players.

All a bit contradictory, and, at best, unsettling for the squad I should have thought?

Not sure if you've caught up on the latest ian, but Rodgers has come out and made a strong clear statement regarding Suarez's words and actions and the owner publicly backed him this morning and amplified his words with regards to selling Suarez to Arsenal at least. Rodgers has removed him from the team, he has been forced to train on his own.

Whether Suarez stays or goes we will not be in the bottom half, I'll have a wager with you on that. Statistically we have performed better without him.

I'd agree it's better to off load him but not to strengthen one of nearest rivals, it doesn't make sense on or off the park.

I'm not so sure how unsettling it is for a squad, a player sulking about is not good, so have him removed until he comes to his senses. These guys are pros, they have job to do, and a boss to guide them.

I'd say the only saving grace with Luis is when he walks on that pitch he will give 100%, whatever the outcome in the few weeks. In the end if he does stay he will get on with it, it's a world cup year, or if he is a complete idiot we can and will let him rot in reserves. We are building, getting stronger, with a leader who has been tested and in my opinion doing a good job thus far.

[iancnx]

From BangrakBob on the utd thread....

Quote//Regarding Suarez is doesn't come down to the "math" it comes down to not selling to Arsenal. It has nothing to do with dressing rooms either, you don't win football matches in dressing rooms. We've won all 6 tour matches scoring 17 while conceding 1 goal, without Suarez having an influence. I know it's pre-season but my point is there is no side-effects from the side show. Apologies United...for hijacking.//

Similar to my response on Rooney, You don't win games in the dressing room but team morale is a key component for motivation, teamwork and results! It is rumoured Brendan Rodgers has sidelined Suarez, but it is unlikely that position will last all season, especially if your premiership position does not meet expectations. If you are bottom half he will be forced to reintroduce his star striker.... Good luck with that. Hence my suggestion better to offload him now rather than have a Tevez type situation to contend with.

On the other hand you could argue Rodgers is absolutely right to manage the situation and compels Suarez to buck up and comply with the terms of his contract, and show the Liverpool faithful some respect. Don't let these pre-madonna superstars get away with blue murder.....etc etc. admirable stance, and brave, but he cannot be sure of the end result, so quite a risk really for him (Rodgers). Not a good place to be in for a second season manager.

The other version is Suarez is not being sidelined at all. He is evidently injured and Rodgers is quoted the other day as saying: “Luis picked up an injury in the open training session at Anfield yesterday and, along with a number of other players, we decided this game (in Oslo) was too much of a risk for him......... we are very much trying to build and go forward and we want to keep our best players.

All a bit contradictory, and, at best, unsettling for the squad I should have thought?

Not sure if you've caught up on the latest ian, but Rodgers has come out and made a strong clear statement regarding Suarez's words and actions and the owner publicly backed him this morning and amplified his words with regards to selling Suarez to Arsenal at least. Rodgers has removed him from the team, he has been forced to train on his own.

Whether Suarez stays or goes we will not be in the bottom half, I'll have a wager with you on that. Statistically we have performed better without him.

I'd agree it's better to off load him but not to strengthen one of nearest rivals, it doesn't make sense on or off the park.

I'm not so sure how unsettling it is for a squad, a player sulking about is not good, so have him removed until he comes to his senses. These guys are pros, they have job to do, and a boss to guide them.

I'd say the only saving grace with Luis is when he walks on that pitch he will give 100%, whatever the outcome in the few weeks. In the end if he does stay he will get on with it, it's a world cup year, or if he is a complete idiot we can and will let him rot in reserves. We are building, getting stronger, with a leader who has been tested and in my opinion doing a good job thus far.

Ok caught up now! Time will tell.

Like you say he is banned anyway, but I bet the media will be all over it when the headlines hit.... "all is forgiven" or worse "Homesick Luis to return to Uruguay in January, just in time for the World Cup". Can't see the Kop ever forgiving him to be honest..... I wasn't aware that you, statistically, perform better without him. I wish you guys well; it wouldn't be right if you were bottom half.

[StevieH]

From BangrakBob on the utd thread....

Quote//Regarding Suarez is doesn't come down to the "math" it comes down to not selling to Arsenal. It has nothing to do with dressing rooms either, you don't win football matches in dressing rooms. We've won all 6 tour matches scoring 17 while conceding 1 goal, without Suarez having an influence. I know it's pre-season but my point is there is no side-effects from the side show. Apologies United...for hijacking.//

Similar to my response on Rooney, You don't win games in the dressing room but team morale is a key component for motivation, teamwork and results! It is rumoured Brendan Rodgers has sidelined Suarez, but it is unlikely that position will last all season, especially if your premiership position does not meet expectations. If you are bottom half he will be forced to reintroduce his star striker.... Good luck with that. Hence my suggestion better to offload him now rather than have a Tevez type situation to contend with.

On the other hand you could argue Rodgers is absolutely right to manage the situation and compels Suarez to buck up and comply with the terms of his contract, and show the Liverpool faithful some respect. Don't let these pre-madonna superstars get away with blue murder.....etc etc. admirable stance, and brave, but he cannot be sure of the end result, so quite a risk really for him (Rodgers). Not a good place to be in for a second season manager.

The other version is Suarez is not being sidelined at all. He is evidently injured and Rodgers is quoted the other day as saying: “Luis picked up an injury in the open training session at Anfield yesterday and, along with a number of other players, we decided this game (in Oslo) was too much of a risk for him......... we are very much trying to build and go forward and we want to keep our best players.

All a bit contradictory, and, at best, unsettling for the squad I should have thought?

Not sure if you've caught up on the latest ian, but Rodgers has come out and made a strong clear statement regarding Suarez's words and actions and the owner publicly backed him this morning and amplified his words with regards to selling Suarez to Arsenal at least. Rodgers has removed him from the team, he has been forced to train on his own.

Whether Suarez stays or goes we will not be in the bottom half, I'll have a wager with you on that. Statistically we have performed better without him.

I'd agree it's better to off load him but not to strengthen one of nearest rivals, it doesn't make sense on or off the park.

I'm not so sure how unsettling it is for a squad, a player sulking about is not good, so have him removed until he comes to his senses. These guys are pros, they have job to do, and a boss to guide them.

I'd say the only saving grace with Luis is when he walks on that pitch he will give 100%, whatever the outcome in the few weeks. In the end if he does stay he will get on with it, it's a world cup year, or if he is a complete idiot we can and will let him rot in reserves. We are building, getting stronger, with a leader who has been tested and in my opinion doing a good job thus far.

Ok caught up now! Time will tell.

Like you say he is banned anyway, but I bet the media will be all over it when the headlines hit.... "all is forgiven" or worse "Homesick Luis to return to Uruguay in January, just in time for the World Cup". Can't see the Kop ever forgiving him to be honest..... I wasn't aware that you, statistically, perform better without him. I wish you guys well; it wouldn't be right if you were bottom half.

the kop's a pretty fickle enough place - if he is still at liverpool by the start of september and serves out his ban then comes back playing like last season he'll be forgiven in an instant. won't ever be adored like he was but he'll still be well received.

that said he's also proven just how stupid he can be - so it's not out of the question yet that he will take it to legal proceedings or if he stays come back into the team and play with a face like a slapped arse. he's sued a club to let him move before, just not one as big as liverpool. so i hope he has other advisors who are smarter than pere guardiola who will tell him when to fold. play this season coming like you did the last and you can move next summer. but then like i say, it remains to be seen. he may still go on strike.

[StevieH]

love this review of david peace's new shankly book. hugely looking forward to reading it:

Red Or Dead by David Peace – review

David Peace brings perfect pitch to this ode to Bill Shankly's Liverpool reign

Frank Cottrell Boyce

The Observer, Saturday 3 August 2013 10.00 BST

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/aug/03/red-or-dead-david-peace-review?CMP=twt_gu

Red Or Dead is a masterpiece. David Peace already has a considerable reputation but this massive, painstaking account of the career of Bill Shankly towers above his previous work. It's usual when praising a sports novel for critics to claim that "it's not really about baseball/running/beach volleyball – the sport is a metaphor". Make no mistake, this book is about football. Unremittingly, uncompromisingly about football. It's what Shankly would have wanted. For Shankly, ephemera such as life, love and death could be metaphors for football, never the other way round. Football was the thing itself.

Red Or Dead tells the story of how an unambitous, conservative board of directors, concerned only with ensuring a profit clicked through the turnstiles, inadvertently hired a charismatic, visionary socialist who revolutionised the game and would like to have revolutionised the nation. Inexplicably – maybe he was bluffing – Shankly tendered his resignation in 1974 while still only 60, and at the height of his success. On YouTube you can find a clip of the young Granada reporter Tony Wilson breaking the news to passersby in Liverpool. They're disbelieving and heartbroken. The board too were disbelieving – in the sense that they couldn't believe their luck. In retirement Shankly was cast aside, made more welcome at Goodison Park than at Anfield. He had no role in the future of the club he created. The phone never stopped ringing but it was never the call he hoped for. Peace gives the rejection of Shankly a Shakespearean grandeur. There are echoes of Coriolanus and Lear but also of the experience of every Premier League fan. For of all the forms of love there are in this world there is none so cruelly, gleefully unrequited as the love of a fan for a Premier League club. Fans will go to the grave decked in club scarves, the club anthem their eternal ringtone. Clubs reciprocate that love in ways that make Enron look like the Salvation Army. The Premier League is not a metaphor of a dysfunctional society, it is its fullest expression – a grotesquely overpaid, underperforming elite utterly disconnected from the communities from which its clubs take their names.

Of course, it wasn't like that in Shankly's time. Part of the appeal of Red Or Dead is our collective yearning for those "jumpers for goalposts" days so beautifully evoked in Gary Imlach's book My Father and Other Working Class Football Heroes. Here is Shankly living modestly, close to the ground, working out his strategy with cutlery on the kitchen table, cleaning the cooker to clear his mind. Here he is replying to every piece of fan mail, answering the door to kids who want him to come and referee for them, giving them their bus fare home. Here he stops the team's official bus to pick up hitchhiking away fans, ordering his players to share their sandwiches with them. Is this nostalgia? We live in a country in which huge chunks of the public utilities and infrastructure are run for the benefit not of the nation or the customers but for shareholders slumped in front of Antiques Roadshow. Is it nostalgia to remind ourselves that there was once a man who ran a football club not for the sponsors, not for the board, not for himself but for the fans – or, as he called them, the People? And that this worked?

There have been more successful managers. Shankly's not even the most successful manager of LFC. The difference between Shankly and, say, Paisley or Ferguson is the difference between Jesse Owens and Carl Lewis. Lewis ran faster but Owens ran for a reason. Shankly's reasons could not be more relevant. Red Or Dead is radical not just in the narrow political sense. I can't think when I last came across a serious piece of fiction or TV drama in which the working-class characters weren't busy killing or abusing one another. Peace himself wrote the novel on which the beyond-parody C4 series Red Riding (aka "Gritty Bafta") was based. Here he has changed tack and written a book about what it means to be good, about the sheer work it takes to be good, about the challenge of staying good when the world treats you badly. Like the Book of Job or The Little Princess, it's a game of two halves. Will Shankly retain as an outcast the grace and integrity he showed when he was a deity? There's a heartbreaking scene in a cafe on Eaton Road. It's raining outside. He hands a stranger his umbrella, not out of magnanimity but out of respect for the fact that the man has to go to work whereas he himself has time to sit and wait for the rain to stop.

This is an openly hagiographical work. There are scenes here of Shankly remembering each of his players in his prayers, almost as shocking to the modern reader as Leopold Bloom masturbating must have been to the reader of nearly a 100 years ago. Like most hagiographies, it's monumental. Team sheets, match reports, the full texts of interviews with Harold Wilson and Shelley Rohde, everything is in here. I didn't feel qualified to say whether it was all accurate so I went to visit my friend Peter Hooton – one of the founders of the Liverpool supporters' union the Spirit of Shankly – who said the only mistake he could find was that they keep leaving the "k" out of Kirkby. This level of detail, coupled with Peace's usual schtick of short, repetitive phrases can make the book a tough read. "In the ninth minute, Ian St John scored. In the 72nd minute, Roger Hunt scored. In the last minute, in the very last minute, St John scored again."

When it's good it sounds like Homer. When it's bad it sounds like an infinity of goal alerts. I know that when my dad reads it he will gorge himself on that exhaustive list of remembered goals but others will find it too much. The temptation to skip pages is enormous. I asked Peter, as a football fan, what he thought. He said: "I want to go out and knock on doors like a Jehovah's Witness and read this book to people." Which is surely the point. For a long time now literary fiction has concerned itself with telling it like it is – with power, corruption and lies – or telling it like it was – Tudors. This isn't a book about the way things were or the way things are. This is a book about the way things should be.

[sharecropper]

The boy's done good Biran. He's just misunderstood. He's seen space in the box, gone straight for goal, and gone down too early under a light challenge from a formidable legal team.

I can't wait to see him against Liverpool next season after this.

ALso, <deleted> is Rodgers doing? Take the money and get rid. Liverpool and Rodgers have already had rings run around them by Suarez and I don't agree that Rodgers looks tough - he looks like he's lost control of the situation.

"had rings run around them". you know you're not very good at this wind-up stuff right? some blues can be now and then, but it's rare.

I love a bit of blind loyalty. He's played you all like a Mariachi band and left you lot, the club, Henry and your current manager with egg all over their faces...

And I laugh every time I see Liverpool mentioned in the same bracket as Arsenal, as though they're your rivals. Swansea were your rivals last season.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10229742/Buyer-beware-whoever-signs-Liverpool-want-away-striker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html

[BlueScouse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-bill-shanklys-story-was-filled-with-heroes-and-monsters-stranger-than-any-fiction-8749145.html

Here is the Independant review of the book.

And a bit about Sterling

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/liverpool-winger-raheem-sterling-arrested-on-charge-of-assault-8754230.html

[BangrakBob]

The boy's done good Biran. He's just misunderstood. He's seen space in the box, gone straight for goal, and gone down too early under a light challenge from a formidable legal team.

I can't wait to see him against Liverpool next season after this.

ALso, <deleted> is Rodgers doing? Take the money and get rid. Liverpool and Rodgers have already had rings run around them by Suarez and I don't agree that Rodgers looks tough - he looks like he's lost control of the situation.

"had rings run around them". you know you're not very good at this wind-up stuff right? some blues can be now and then, but it's rare.

I love a bit of blind loyalty. He's played you all like a Mariachi band and left you lot, the club, Henry and your current manager with egg all over their faces...

And I laugh every time I see Liverpool mentioned in the same bracket as Arsenal, as though they're your rivals. Swansea were your rivals last season.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/10229742/Buyer-beware-whoever-signs-Liverpool-want-away-striker-Luis-Suarez-is-getting-a-toxic-cheat.html

I laugh too SC, I mean we have actually won a couple trophies since they last won anything they don't deserve to be in the same bracket!

[rijit]

It is all well and good but why keep him when he is very unhappy,same Rooney if not happy they have to go....eventually.

yep, everyone's on about the strength and the way they've dealt with it , you've put him in the ressies, after him sulking and not giving a decent performance in pre season friendlies, and on that premise does Does It sound like he's gonna wanna play for liverpool in the prem? really ? and your telling us someones gonna then come in and pay more than arsenal have offered,,,,,,, DREAM ON what your owner has said is that this window its 2 late 2 deal, so EVERYONE NOW KNOWS he's gonna be dealin in jan, good strategy half a season of limited effort from suarez, you tell me, whats he gonna be worth ? and the owners coming on strong now, once the situations escalated, 2 <deleted>''''cin late matey, youve got a 40 mil asset depreciating and youve let your manangement develop a relationship with that asset to a point where its rapidly becoming untenable , partly actually mainly, cos you've failed to get you hands dirty, and negotiate a decent price for him, i tell ya a decent owner would have nipped this all in the bud, been on the dog, sorting and dealing the 40 mil up to an acceptable level and taken the wedge, cos the way your going, come jan,,with his record for discourse, i c 25 IF YOUR LUCKY,from anyone, let alone arsenal. And b4 u come bac with modric, we never let the situ get quite as bad as this. in fact no where near as bad.

[rijit]

In fact can you actually see him returning from international duty? i can't

oh and a reasonable summary http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/09/luis-suarez-liverpool

[nev]

Good first article in the mail by Carra, pretty well confirming Liverpool not a big club no more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388263/Luis-Suarez-good-Liverpool-Arsenal--Jamie-Carragher.html

[Devil]

It is all well and good but why keep him when he is very unhappy,same Rooney if not happy they have to go....eventually.

yep, everyone's on about the strength and the way they've dealt with it , you've put him in the ressies, after him sulking and not giving a decent performance in pre season friendlies, and on that premise does Does It sound like he's gonna wanna play for liverpool in the prem? really ? and your telling us someones gonna then come in and pay more than arsenal have offered,,,,,,, DREAM ON what your owner has said is that this window its 2 late 2 deal, so EVERYONE NOW KNOWS he's gonna be dealin in jan, good strategy half a season of limited effort from suarez, you tell me, whats he gonna be worth ? and the owners coming on strong now, once the situations escalated, 2 <deleted>''''cin late matey, youve got a 40 mil asset depreciating and youve let your manangement develop a relationship with that asset to a point where its rapidly becoming untenable , partly actually mainly, cos you've failed to get you hands dirty, and negotiate a decent price for him, i tell ya a decent owner would have nipped this all in the bud, been on the dog, sorting and dealing the 40 mil up to an acceptable level and taken the wedge, cos the way your going, come jan,,with his record for discourse, i c 25 IF YOUR LUCKY,from anyone, let alone arsenal. And b4 u come bac with modric, we never let the situ get quite as bad as this. in fact no where near as bad.

I think the point from the majority of fans are happy about, is the fact that our Owner has said we are not selling to one our rivals for Fourth spot i.e Arsenal !

Regarding if he goes in January or weather he will not perform is one theory (you may be right)

There is another theory...

I would expect based on past history that he will give 100% once on the pitch once his little brain realises he's not being sold. More so given this is a World Cup year coming up and remember players values usually go up if they do well in a World Cup and I expect Uruguay and Suarez to have a good tournament.

[carmine]

Suarez will give 100% if he stays because he's put himself in the shop window. Works mutually well. It is strange though how Liverpool seem to do rather well without him!

Without meaning to sound dismissive, theres no evidence at all that you are going to be even close to challenging for fourth. However, i have no axe to grind with Liverpool and i'm happy to be proven wrong.

[iancnx]

It is all well and good but why keep him when he is very unhappy,same Rooney if not happy they have to go....eventually.

yep, everyone's on about the strength and the way they've dealt with it , you've put him in the ressies, after him sulking and not giving a decent performance in pre season friendlies, and on that premise does Does It sound like he's gonna wanna play for liverpool in the prem? really ? and your telling us someones gonna then come in and pay more than arsenal have offered,,,,,,, DREAM ON what your owner has said is that this window its 2 late 2 deal, so EVERYONE NOW KNOWS he's gonna be dealin in jan, good strategy half a season of limited effort from suarez, you tell me, whats he gonna be worth ? and the owners coming on strong now, once the situations escalated, 2 <deleted>''''cin late matey, youve got a 40 mil asset depreciating and youve let your manangement develop a relationship with that asset to a point where its rapidly becoming untenable , partly actually mainly, cos you've failed to get you hands dirty, and negotiate a decent price for him, i tell ya a decent owner would have nipped this all in the bud, been on the dog, sorting and dealing the 40 mil up to an acceptable level and taken the wedge, cos the way your going, come jan,,with his record for discourse, i c 25 IF YOUR LUCKY,from anyone, let alone arsenal. And b4 u come bac with modric, we never let the situ get quite as bad as this. in fact no where near as bad.

I think the point from the majority of fans are happy about, is the fact that our Owner has said we are not selling to one our rivals for Fourth spot i.e Arsenal !

Regarding if he goes in January or weather he will not perform is one theory (you may be right)

There is another theory...

I would expect based on past history that he will give 100% once on the pitch once his little brain realises he's not being sold. More so given this is a World Cup year coming up and remember players values usually go up if they do well in a World Cup and I expect Uruguay and Suarez to have a good tournament.

I think he'll fight tooth (forgive the pun) & nail to leave in January if indeed he is still a Liverpool player. Jan-May at a new club to shine will be more than OK for the Uruguayan selectors. If he does not get his move in this window he will sulk and strop and focus on his exit strategy.

He has 6 more games where he is banned and then a further 14 games before January (assuming no more red cards). For me it's a high risk strategy re-integrating him to the squad on 5 October; he is a thoroughly unpleasant person where it would appear racism, assault and litigation against employers is second nature. Of course if Liverpool are in the doldrums they may have no choice but to play him and pray for a magical repentant return....... Much better to get rid now and reinvest now, but need to do slightly better than Carroll me thinks.

[Devil]

Suarez will give 100% if he stays because he's put himself in the shop window. Works mutually well. It is strange though how Liverpool seem to do rather well without him!

Without meaning to sound dismissive, theres no evidence at all that you are going to be even close to challenging for fourth. However, i have no axe to grind with Liverpool and i'm happy to be proven wrong.

You are right of course there is now evidence we will be close to Fourth, but given that Fourth is the clubs target... AGAIN I will repeat it doesn't make sense to sell to Arsenal.

[rijit]

could happen like that dev. but Atm i'de say the evidence makes even a reconciliation by the end of his ban optimistic. and rwmember for him he reckons,it ain't bout the money, by SA standards he's got more than enuf . it's bout playing in the Cl. and uraguay dropping him ain't gonna happen 2 them he walks on water. And getting the player back that you had last season as opposed to the one you had for the first season? bac, is a fine line ? and that defo is in his head and bearing in mind SA mentality, 2 me that looks less and less likely 2 be right ever again in liverpool shirt

but we'll c, getting him bac from international duty will be the first step .

Edited August 10, 2013 by rijit

[carmine]

Suarez will give 100% if he stays because he's put himself in the shop window. Works mutually well. It is strange though how Liverpool seem to do rather well without him!

Without meaning to sound dismissive, theres no evidence at all that you are going to be even close to challenging for fourth. However, i have no axe to grind with Liverpool and i'm happy to be proven wrong.

You are right of course there is now evidence we will be close to Fourth, but given that Fourth is the clubs target... AGAIN I will repeat it doesn't make sense to sell to Arsenal.

I agree it doesn't but more than anything it would send out the wrong message to the players and fans. Ofcourse top four is the goal. As for Arsenal, they have played the whole thing very badly. Like rank amateurs in the market. They should have whacked down 50m and really tested FSG in the early days of Suarez 's attempts to force his way out.

Isn't it a sickening attitude in our sport the way players openly try to "force a move." In commend any club that makes a stand against this sad trend.

[mad mary]

I hope he chokes on his next chivito.

[rijit]

I don't know if anyone's recently has been in a competitive environment , its been a while for me, but I do remember that when one of the team left, yeah it was slightly disconcerting, the old school was breaking up, the little bits of gossip and day to day stuff weren't relevant to him anymore, they sort naturally became excluded, but the group sort of naturally evolved and moved on., But ultimately, the 'team mates' saw an opening and an opportunity, and were always double eager to take it, TBH thats how i see the team thingy at Liverpool atm, the unsettling stuff , tbh I think its sort of majorly overstated, nearly every one in that dressing room will have moved and a lot not with the previous clubs blessing , it aint new to them. I think the team that Rodgers has constructed is well capable of moving on and actually coping with losing suarez , but the management should have seen this situation was gonna happen AND STOPPED IT, This whole shebang YET AGAIN is piss poor from the board down, how many times have they handled stuff badly, it goes on and on and on.

[rijit]

Good first article in the mail by Carra, pretty well confirming Liverpool not a big club no more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388263/Luis-Suarez-good-Liverpool-Arsenal--Jamie-Carragher.html

And yet again a classic example of why i never read the mail, And now we've got to put up with that f--ck n k --bhe--ad on sky,

[mad mary]

Good first article in the mail by Carra, pretty well confirming Liverpool not a big club no more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388263/Luis-Suarez-good-Liverpool-Arsenal--Jamie-Carragher.html

And yet again a classic example of why i never read the mail, And now we've got to put up with that f--ck n k --bhe--ad on sky,

I'm so happy he annoys you.

[rijit]

Good first article in the mail by Carra, pretty well confirming Liverpool not a big club no more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2388263/Luis-Suarez-good-Liverpool-Arsenal--Jamie-Carragher.html

And yet again a classic example of why i never read the mail, And now we've got to put up with that f--ck n k --bhe--ad on sky,

I'm so happy he annoys you.

Ah sad,always happy to please.