Be Careful Of The “Men Of Their Word”.

[SOTIRIOS]

....I think the only words he understood were......'you're crap'.........so how would you expect him to react.......

[IDL]

Sotirios,
#31 SOTIRIOS

I had to laugh because you are right, it is hardly polite. However, I really can't believe he changed his mind based upon that.

He's a grown man, and spent a few days very comfortable in
being impolite to me, generally including words that would clearly be
inappropriate to use on this forum, even some UK pubs would likely raise an eyebrow – all taken/reciprocated
as banter, as far as I was concerned. My use of ‘crap’ simply doesn’t compare
to the insults he dished out.

In a nutshell: I was selling a car, he was buying, I went beyond the
whole nine-yards to make it as smooth as possible [for us both], did so at some
expense to myself (and an extra 900Klms on the car) we seemed to get along
well, he then reneged on the deal, minutes before finalizing.

[rbrooks]

I used to sell cars in Atlanta, never forgot the savvy advice of my Sales Manager, never trust what a buyer is saying, just sell him the car before he leaves the lot or consider the sale lost no matter what they usually say like, I will be back, hold the car for me, need to ask my wife etc., etc.

[IDL]

I used to sell cars in Atlanta, never forgot the savvy advice of my Sales Manager, never trust what a buyer is saying, just sell him the car before he leaves the lot or consider the sale lost no matter what they usually say like, I will be back, hold the car for me, need to ask my wife etc., etc.

555, that really puts things into perspective, thanks. What a wally I was...guess a new career in car selling should be avoided. LOL

[cpofc]

rbrooks, on 22 May 2013 - 18:17, said:

I used to sell cars in Atlanta, never forgot the savvy advice of my Sales Manager, never trust what a buyer is saying, just sell him the car before he leaves the lot or consider the sale lost no matter what they usually say like, I will be back, hold the car for me, need to ask my wife etc., etc.

I'm no good as a salesman. I had a crack at it, commission only, when I first left the Military which I had joined when I was 15. Lured by the advertised promise of making a motza. I quit before I starved to death. Couldn't do it. But not before doing some Hi Powered sales courses and learning a few new life skills. I was instructed in the art by the best shonks god ever shovelled guts into. Whose company slogan was 'Nice guys come last'.

How true what you say. Close. Close. Close. Close the deal.

He wants a car. He is more than likely champagne shopping on a beer budget, and you allowed him to 'cool off'. He was hoping for a good excuse not to buy and you gave it to him. Not that you were to know for he was 'a man of his word'.

'Tyre kickers', there is no shortage of them, those who have no real intention to buy, so then raise ‘excuses’, with the ultimate motive of avoiding the proposed sale.

It says more about you than it does about him. You sound like a very decent bloke. I am sure things will turn out alright in the end.

[WarpSpeed]

Should have taken his money, given him all your proof of ownership for transfer and sent him on his way to an agent to handle the rest, another reason I handled all my sales the same way.. A little reading here before your sale would have served you well. Sorry to hear about your misfortune..

Don't see your complaint about his not wanting to suck in your second hand smoke either, it's the least one can do, regardless of how much withdrawal you may have felt as the AIR in YOUR car or HIS lungs is not yours either....

All appreciated; good therapy to get my blood pressure down, LOL

Pt1: Though I have bought a modest amount of vehicles (2-4 wheeled) here, over the years, and have been presented with the scenario you recommend (independently transferring), I've often noted that people's 'official' ownership has far exceeded their 'actual' ownership. On that note I for one don't want to be the 'official' keeper of a vehicle that is involved in an accident/incident or any dubious activity; Life's tough enough out here (flowing with the bendy-laws), I try my utmost to be squeaky clean so's not having the need for worry.

Pt2: ...you're not a smoker, are you? Your point is valid, but it is MY car. NB (for anybody interested in a superb example/condition 3r-old Mazda 2) Though I do smoke in the car, windows are always open (at that time) and A/C is always 'off' until all traces are gone. Many non-smoker passengers have commented about the [stale] smoke-free odour of the car.

I never said anything about leaving the car in your name and counting on him to do the transfer, it could have all been handled at the local inspection shop and the money paid and they handled the rest by mail with the new owner for a reasonable fee. Far less then you spent traveling around showing him the countryside not to mention the time spent doing so.

NO! Definitely NOT a smoker and highly offended by those who expect the rest of us to suffer their bad and unhealthy habits as though it's their right to pollute my air space without consideration whether in their car or anywhere else for that matter...

[WarpSpeed]

Always take a deposit.... Im sure even though he was without papers he would have had his wallet with him and a 10% deposit or greater really defines if the person is serious or not.

I had reverse happen a year or so ago... VFR400 for sale in Chiang Mai, rang the guy, agreed to pay what he asked, deal agreed, asked him his bank account he asked if i could pay by paypal which i couldn't and didn't want to anyway. Said he would get back to me on bank account as had to dig out details.. didn't hear from him on next day , rang him and he said "ohh bike is sold some guy came around after you had phoned and had cash...."

When all is said and done you are defined by your acts and your word...

Hey Monty,

I feel for you, bro. I've heard many scenarios like that, and usually it's coz the buyer was offered more. In your case, it does sound as if 'the bank account' could have played heavily...who knows!

This has made me think of another point in my [false] sale. Though my word is MY bond, whilst taking the MF up to Prasat, he voiced mild disgruntlement that I was still displaying the 'for sale' signs in the car. Can you believe it! The cheek! We were a few days away from the actual change of ownership/transfer/parting with money, and I had no guarantees of the sale with him.

I love your last line. Not only did I defer two enquiries, post our 'done-deal' meeting, but I went head-long into an overnight 900Klm run...me tinks that shows commitment!

Again, always get contact numbers just in case as back up.

[IDL]

Always take a deposit.... Im sure even though he was without papers he would have had his wallet with him and a 10% deposit or greater really defines if the person is serious or not.

I had reverse happen a year or so ago... VFR400 for sale in Chiang Mai, rang the guy, agreed to pay what he asked, deal agreed, asked him his bank account he asked if i could pay by paypal which i couldn't and didn't want to anyway. Said he would get back to me on bank account as had to dig out details.. didn't hear from him on next day , rang him and he said "ohh bike is sold some guy came around after you had phoned and had cash...."

When all is said and done you are defined by your acts and your word...

Hey Monty,

I feel for you, bro. I've heard many scenarios like that, and usually it's coz the buyer was offered more. In your case, it does sound as if 'the bank account' could have played heavily...who knows!

This has made me think of another point in my [false] sale. Though my word is MY bond, whilst taking the MF up to Prasat, he voiced mild disgruntlement that I was still displaying the 'for sale' signs in the car. Can you believe it! The cheek! We were a few days away from the actual change of ownership/transfer/parting with money, and I had no guarantees of the sale with him.

I love your last line. Not only did I defer two enquiries, post our 'done-deal' meeting, but I went head-long into an overnight 900Klm run...me tinks that shows commitment!

Again, always get contact numbers just in case as back up.

Did that, now awaiting some viewings.

Cheers

[quandow]

I was a realtor in a previous life and we had a saying: Buyers are liars, and sellers are, too!

[IDL]

I was a realtor in a previous life and we had a saying: Buyers are liars, and sellers are, too!

Have to say it made me chuckle, but, but, but, how does that help. If never trust a soul is the message, we are all doomed!

[IDL]

Had a spare moment, and just keeping this topic 'alive'. There's lessons to be learned by all, perhaps especially ME!

[watcharacters]

Should have taken his money, given him all your proof of ownership for transfer and sent him on his way to an agent to handle the rest, another reason I handled all my sales the same way.. A little reading here before your sale would have served you well. Sorry to hear about your misfortune..

Don't see your complaint about his not wanting to suck in your second hand smoke either, it's the least one can do, regardless of how much withdrawal you may have felt as the AIR in YOUR car or HIS lungs is not yours either....

All appreciated; good therapy to get my blood pressure down, LOL

Pt1: Though I have bought a modest amount of vehicles (2-4 wheeled) here, over the years, and have been presented with the scenario you recommend (independently transferring), I've often noted that people's 'official' ownership has far exceeded their 'actual' ownership. On that note I for one don't want to be the 'official' keeper of a vehicle that is involved in an accident/incident or any dubious activity; Life's tough enough out here (flowing with the bendy-laws), I try my utmost to be squeaky clean so's not having the need for worry.

Pt2: ...you're not a smoker, are you? Your point is valid, but it is MY car. NB (for anybody interested in a superb example/condition 3r-old Mazda 2) Though I do smoke in the car, windows are always open (at that time) and A/C is always 'off' until all traces are gone. Many non-smoker passengers have commented about the [stale] smoke-free odour of the car.

I never said anything about leaving the car in your name and counting on him to do the transfer, it could have all been handled at the local inspection shop and the money paid and they handled the rest by mail with the new owner for a reasonable fee. Far less then you spent traveling around showing him the countryside not to mention the time spent doing so.

NO! Definitely NOT a smoker and highly offended by those who expect the rest of us to suffer their bad and unhealthy habits as though it's their right to pollute my air space without consideration whether in their car or anywhere else for that matter...

.

You do have the right not to ride in a car owned and driven by a smoker.

[WarpSpeed]

Should have taken his money, given him all your proof of ownership for transfer and sent him on his way to an agent to handle the rest, another reason I handled all my sales the same way.. A little reading here before your sale would have served you well. Sorry to hear about your misfortune..

Don't see your complaint about his not wanting to suck in your second hand smoke either, it's the least one can do, regardless of how much withdrawal you may have felt as the AIR in YOUR car or HIS lungs is not yours either....

All appreciated; good therapy to get my blood pressure down, LOL

Pt1: Though I have bought a modest amount of vehicles (2-4 wheeled) here, over the years, and have been presented with the scenario you recommend (independently transferring), I've often noted that people's 'official' ownership has far exceeded their 'actual' ownership. On that note I for one don't want to be the 'official' keeper of a vehicle that is involved in an accident/incident or any dubious activity; Life's tough enough out here (flowing with the bendy-laws), I try my utmost to be squeaky clean so's not having the need for worry.

Pt2: ...you're not a smoker, are you? Your point is valid, but it is MY car. NB (for anybody interested in a superb example/condition 3r-old Mazda 2) Though I do smoke in the car, windows are always open (at that time) and A/C is always 'off' until all traces are gone. Many non-smoker passengers have commented about the [stale] smoke-free odour of the car.

I never said anything about leaving the car in your name and counting on him to do the transfer, it could have all been handled at the local inspection shop and the money paid and they handled the rest by mail with the new owner for a reasonable fee. Far less then you spent traveling around showing him the countryside not to mention the time spent doing so.

NO! Definitely NOT a smoker and highly offended by those who expect the rest of us to suffer their bad and unhealthy habits as though it's their right to pollute my air space without consideration whether in their car or anywhere else for that matter...

.

You do have the right not to ride in a car owned and driven by a smoker.

Yes, if I know it before I get in I won't, the problem is usually they light up once you're on the road and do it without any regard or consideration to any one else's health, just like many who drink also do. But suffice it to say that's one big reason why I seldom ride with some else beyond the fact that I just can't tolerate the way other people drive..

[transam]

I smoke but never in my truck if non smokers are on board.

I chuck them in the back.

[thaicbr]

i'm a bit confused that in the morning you didn't go and pick him up. You had after all booked the hotel etc..

I think if i was called crap.. i may have told ya to fxck off too.

[IDL]

i'm a bit confused that in the morning you didn't go and pick him up. You had after all booked the hotel etc..

I think if i was called crap.. i may have told ya to fxck off too.

Ouch! Of course one can't expect all mortals to understand, but if the article had been read properly, one would have noticed that I went to extreme lengths to make the sale as painless as poss for the buyer (I'm not losing sight of it being in my best interests too, or so I thought). The hotel was booked at his request and we'd discussed how it was a very simple/short trip to my place, whereas me getting to him would be a long [detour], traffic jammed nightmare - also mentioned in my post. Further, after taxiing him around for 900KLMs, to here, there, and everywhere, a ONE KILOMETRE independent taxi ride was an unreasonable request???

As for your last line... aside from me having endured far more brutal verbal 'banter' from him over the days spent together, the article raised the question "is anybody that fickle?". Obviously you are!

FYI, his personality at the start, compared to the finish was a complete contrast...whereas if you had come to view, I suspect I would have gotten your 'number' straight-off...and told you why the car wasn't ideal for you.

[thaicbr]

i'm a bit confused that in the morning you didn't go and pick him up. You had after all booked the hotel etc..

 

I think if i was called crap.. i may have told ya to fxck off too.

Ouch! Of course one can't expect all mortals to understand, but if the article had been read properly, one would have noticed that I went to extreme lengths to make the sale as painless as poss for the buyer (I'm not losing sight of it being in my best interests too, or so I thought). The hotel was booked at his request and we'd discussed how it was a very simple/short trip to my place, whereas me getting to him would be a long [detour], traffic jammed nightmare - also mentioned in my post. Further, after taxiing him around for 900KLMs, to here, there, and everywhere, a ONE KILOMETRE independent taxi ride was an unreasonable request???

As for your last line... aside from me having endured far more brutal verbal 'banter' from him over the days spent together, the article raised the question "is anybody that fickle?". Obviously you are!

FYI, his personality at the start, compared to the finish was a complete contrast...whereas if you had come to view, I suspect I would have gotten your 'number' straight-off...and told you why the car wasn't ideal for you.

Told me why the car wasn't ideal for me...... hahaha.

Your selling a car not cute little puppies.

made me laugh though. Thanks

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