Songhua Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Does this guy have a name? How about posting a photo of him? I'd keep my eyes open here in Pattaya if I knew what he looked like... All seems a bit odd to me. Bader-Meinhof gang? His name has been released now. He is Carlo Konstantin Kohl He was convicted in Australia for drug trafficking and dealing in stolen opals. http://www.frasercoastchronicle.com.au/news/opal-bandits-sentenced-to-nine-years-in-prison/1561778/ More recent photos of him walking through Swampy in a jumpsuit and also a mugshot are in BP now. 10,000 Baht reward offered by the cops. The last line of the Sept 2012 article you linked to above reads: H e will be eligible for parole in January [2013] because of the time he has already served. From what I make of it, he has already served his time in Australia and was being escorted back to Germany by a security company contracted by Australian Immigration (makes sense, as he was in Australia without a visa). He still faces charges in Germany on other matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncake Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I think this story is more than a little inaccurate as Interpol does not escort prisoners. If he was being extradited to Germany then police officers from that country would have gone to Australia to collect him. The story is incorrect but so is your post. Australian Police escorts him to a change over point where German Police should be taking over. In this case, apparently Australian police was escorting him to final destination ie Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncake Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Read the link. It says that AOT and the Royal Thai Police have an understanding that security for the whole airport (but obviously not the immigration 'border crossing') is under the jurisdiction of the Samut Prakan force of the Royal Thai Police, with a police station on the AOT property paid for by AOT. In other words, RTP are responsible for policing all sectors of the airport. Naturally, Immigration Police have put their hands up and said "it's not us, all we do is check passports", which leaves the RTP, who are claiming that they were never even informed of the transiting of this prisoner (handled by a private security firm with a regular contract for such work) until after the escape. The question was transit area is out of Immigration Jurisdiction. so who is responsible.? My answer was AOT and its security. You are arguing with me what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trembly Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Read the link. It says that AOT and the Royal Thai Police have an understanding that security for the whole airport (but obviously not the immigration 'border crossing') is under the jurisdiction of the Samut Prakan force of the Royal Thai Police, with a police station on the AOT property paid for by AOT. In other words, RTP are responsible for policing all sectors of the airport. Naturally, Immigration Police have put their hands up and said "it's not us, all we do is check passports", which leaves the RTP, who are claiming that they were never even informed of the transiting of this prisoner (handled by a private security firm with a regular contract for such work) until after the escape. The question was transit area is out of Immigration Jurisdiction. so who is responsible.? My answer was AOT and its security. You are arguing with me what exactly? My apologies, I misread the link. The transit area is indeed the responsibility of AoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoncake Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Read the link. It says that AOT and the Royal Thai Police have an understanding that security for the whole airport (but obviously not the immigration 'border crossing') is under the jurisdiction of the Samut Prakan force of the Royal Thai Police, with a police station on the AOT property paid for by AOT. In other words, RTP are responsible for policing all sectors of the airport. Naturally, Immigration Police have put their hands up and said "it's not us, all we do is check passports", which leaves the RTP, who are claiming that they were never even informed of the transiting of this prisoner (handled by a private security firm with a regular contract for such work) until after the escape. The question was transit area is out of Immigration Jurisdiction. so who is responsible.? My answer was AOT and its security. You are arguing with me what exactly? My apologies, I misread the link. The transit area is indeed the responsibility of AoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Can somebody, preferably somebody who knows something about the subject, explain to me about the transit area. I assumed that transit areas were set aside for those not officially entering a country. Thus if I am travelling by Thai Air (God forbid) from Aussie and my final destination is, say Paris, and I have to change planes, I remain in the transit area until my flight is called. I remain air side of all controls and do not at any time enter Thailand and therefore my passport is neither examined or stamped. However I assume that somebody polices the area or all manner of crimes could be committed and the miscreant walk free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randall Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) Just found this on a Australian website that Serco is the company that provided the security services for this. We have them in the UK as well and everything there do usually ends in a mess just this week a Judge blasted the company, Serco was hauled before a senior judge last week to apologise for ‘embarrassing’ hold-ups in bringing defendants up from the cells that have totalled ten hours.On occasions, judge, jury and witnesses have been left waiting because guards insist on taking a full hour for lunch A man convicted of serious offences in Australia has mysteriously escaped from two Australian security guards inside the secure international transit area of Bangkok’s main airport. The botched escort of the 25 year-old German-born man by the security guards contracted by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship has angered Thai authorities who said they were not informed of his arrival in Thailand. The man who served three years jail in Queensland was being escorted from Australia to Germany on commercial flights that transited through Bangkok. He disappeared in the early hours of May 16 but Thai authorities did not tell the department in Canberra until eight days later he could not be found in the airport’s secure area. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/world/thai-anger-over-airport-escape-20130527-2n7j7.html#ixzz2UWOD3ZbG Edited May 27, 2013 by metisdead Edited as per fair use policy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorG Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 good to get some proper information Randall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noitom Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Thais will be blaming the Australian security guards and the Germans before the Thais take responsibility and accountability for severe security breaches at the airport. Whatever happened to that Thai big shot airport official who slapped the security staff on video? The newspaper just dropped this - no sign of follow up or investigation. Boy oh boy these Thais. They are something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekside Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Can somebody, preferably somebody who knows something about the subject, explain to me about the transit area. I assumed that transit areas were set aside for those not officially entering a country. Thus if I am travelling by Thai Air (God forbid) from Aussie and my final destination is, say Paris, and I have to change planes, I remain in the transit area until my flight is called. I remain air side of all controls and do not at any time enter Thailand and therefore my passport is neither examined or stamped. However I assume that somebody polices the area or all manner of crimes could be committed and the miscreant walk free. Your understanding is correct. He did not have a passport and he did not go through immigrations. He simply entered Thailand by walking through an airport fire exit door, with its alarm disconnected, and the miscreant walked free into the night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Forgive me for saying so, but this is SO typically Thailand... Immigration has the ordinary (law-abiding???) travelers queued up in long lines waiting to clear passport checks. And yet a criminal supposedly being held in custody gets to walk out of the airport with no checks by anybody thru an un-alarmed fire door exit. Genius!!!! That must be the new Express Line for folks flying first class and such... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Can somebody, preferably somebody who knows something about the subject, explain to me about the transit area. I assumed that transit areas were set aside for those not officially entering a country. Thus if I am travelling by Thai Air (God forbid) from Aussie and my final destination is, say Paris, and I have to change planes, I remain in the transit area until my flight is called. I remain air side of all controls and do not at any time enter Thailand and therefore my passport is neither examined or stamped. However I assume that somebody polices the area or all manner of crimes could be committed and the miscreant walk free. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it would be extremely easy to get through from international side to domestic side and walk straight out of the domestic arrivals anyway. It's moot, since they claim he walked out of a door???? And then somehow managed to exit the airport. This would suggest that essentially the airport is about as secure as a sieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 I betcha Interpol is real happy with the Thai authorities for giving them a public black eye in this caper -- whether it was deserved or not. And of course, the early Thai news reports certainly noted in the strongest terms that neither AOT nor Thai Immigration was in any way responsible for this foul-up... And then, the truth slowly begins to leak out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Article in the Sydney Morning Herald gives a bit more info about it .http://www.smh.com.au/world/australian-guards-slept-as-criminal-fled-20130528-2n8gv.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 I betcha Interpol is real happy with the Thai authorities for giving them a public black eye in this caper -- whether it was deserved or not. And of course, the early Thai news reports certainly noted in the strongest terms that neither AOT nor Thai Immigration was in any way responsible for this foul-up... And then, the truth slowly begins to leak out. Indeed, no one seems concerned that unauthorised access was granted to areas in the airport. This would be considered a very serious security issue normally. Anyone wonder how drugs, terrorists or German convicts get in and out of the country so easily. It appears to be optional as to whether one goes through immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Article in the Sydney Morning Herald gives a bit more info about it .http://www.smh.com.au/world/australian-guards-slept-as-criminal-fled-20130528-2n8gv.html I love it!!! Thai police have been unable to locate Kohl and have offered a reward for his capture. They believe he may be hiding out in Bangkok's red-light district. BTW, this article makes absolutely NO mention of Interpol being involved in the transporting of this prisoner.... A spokesman for the department said Kohl was taken to a transit hotel after his arrival from Australia because a flight to Germany was delayed eight hours by bad weather. He was last seen taking a shower. A Thai police investigation found the guards were asleep in the airport's transit lounge when Kohl walked freely around the airport before exiting unnoticed through a fire escape after disconnecting the electricity supply. The guards travelling with Kohl from Australia were from Serco, the company that provides security services for the [Australian Immigration] department in Australia. Edited May 28, 2013 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 He's Probably on his way to Pattaya ... How did he get out of the airport while heading from Australia to Germany ? THE alleged Gang leader was able to escape in the transit area, which is outside the bureau's jurisdiction, Couldn't Interpol have Thai police at the airport during the layover?? Perhaps he got on another plane.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) On May 15, German national Carlo Konstantin Kohl escaped his police escort while waiting to transit through Bangkok's main international airport en route to Germany. He was being deported from Australia and was accompanied by two Australian police officers.Security cameras showed the man fleeing a room where he was being held while his two guards were asleep at about 4.30am the day after his arrival at the airport, an AOT source said Monday. He appeared to survey several possible escape routes before opting to escape through Concourse G, which was not crowded at the time, the source said. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Airport-security-to-be-reviewed-after-criminal-esc-30207007.html Bangkok Post is reporting they believe he escaped through an emergency door which he disconnected the power from. Edited May 28, 2013 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjmmi Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 He's Probably on his way to Pattaya ... How did he get out of the airport while heading from Australia to Germany ? THE alleged Gang leader was able to escape in the transit area, which is outside the bureau's jurisdiction, Couldn't Interpol have Thai police at the airport during the layover?? Perhaps he got on another plane.... Yes and went back to Oz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) http://www.smh.com.au/world/australian-guards-slept-as-criminal-fled-20130528-2n8gv.html Thai police have been unable to locate Kohl and have offered a reward for his capture. They believe he may be hiding out in Bangkok's red-light district. Which one? Edited May 28, 2013 by Payboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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midasthailand Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Well, the personnel escorting him were not Australian Police, rather a couple of employees of SERCO! A company that has managed to get itself involved in everything, from running the immigration detention centres to providing catering services at all Australian military bases! No graft and corruption there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Indeed, no one seems concerned that unauthorised access was granted to areas in the airport. This would be considered a very serious security issue normally. From the second line in the OP ... The Airports of Thailand (AoT) and the Immigration Police will convene this Monday to investigate the events of May 15, which is when the suspect escaped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 Indeed, no one seems concerned that unauthorised access was granted to areas in the airport. This would be considered a very serious security issue normally. From the second line in the OP ... The Airports of Thailand (AoT) and the Immigration Police will convene this Monday to investigate the events of May 15, which is when the suspect escaped. 10 days after the event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLock Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 It was 2 Australian SERCO security personnel, and nothing at all to do with Thais. So, all you knee-jerk, Thai-bashing, xenophobic fools can feel free to apologize about now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 It was 2 Australian SERCO security personnel, and nothing at all to do with Thais. So, all you knee-jerk, Thai-bashing, xenophobic fools can feel free to apologize about now. He got out of the airport undetected. Great.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Well, the personnel escorting him were not Australian Police, rather a couple of employees of SERCO! A company that has managed to get itself involved in everything, from running the immigration detention centres to providing catering services at all Australian military bases! No graft and corruption there! Yea just catching up on the most recent news out there on this. It appears he served his time in Australia for crime(s) and they deported him back to his home country where he happens to have warrants for his arrest. I am curious if Australian Authorities even had the legal authority to escort him back to Germany. I haven't seen any mention of any extradition orders but that doesn't mean there weren't but if there weren't might explain why he was not in cuffs and why no mention was made to authorities in Thailand since he technically may not have legally been a prisoner. The whole initial mention of Interpol involvement seems a bit odd too as he was in custody in Australia for a number of years. Really not much reason for their involvement seeing how Germany knew where he was and simply would need to file for extradition. I'm far from an expert on Interpol but can't understand why they would need to be involved after his incarceration in Australia and up until he escaped at the airport. Edited May 28, 2013 by Nisa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 (edited) Indeed, no one seems concerned that unauthorised access was granted to areas in the airport. This would be considered a very serious security issue normally. From the second line in the OP ... The Airports of Thailand (AoT) and the Immigration Police will convene this Monday to investigate the events of May 15, which is when the suspect escaped. 10 days after the event. You don't think they knew long ago (like same day) how he escaped from the video cameras? Numerous news sources have stated security has been beefed up at the airport since this has happened and yes, 10 days later they are still meeting to discuss and address the issue. A very far cry from you statement that nobody seems concerned as they normally should be. Just because police don't provide all details to the press doesn't mean one should assume the absurd. Edited May 28, 2013 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 It was 2 Australian SERCO security personnel, and nothing at all to do with Thais. So, all you knee-jerk, Thai-bashing, xenophobic fools can feel free to apologize about now. He got out of the airport undetected. Great.... Dressed like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLock Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 It was 2 Australian SERCO security personnel, and nothing at all to do with Thais. So, all you knee-jerk, Thai-bashing, xenophobic fools can feel free to apologize about now. He got out of the airport undetected. Great.... Fair point. Bruce and Mick lost the German, Somchai and Sombat's incompetence let him escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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