Bellweather Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Is MikeO57's comment he'll be released on bail another way of saying he'll be allowed to escape again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Lucky he isn't a fugitive. The Thai police don't have much of a success rate with fugitives.He is a major fugitive now as he has entered Thailand illegally, doesn't have a valid passport, that anyone knows of, and illegally opened a fire door. This is why there's the princely sum of B10,000 on offer for information leading to his arrest. If he's caught what will the Thais do, give him to Germany, Australia or let him escape again ? He will be released on bail. I shouldn't laugh but you maybe right. As for NongKhaiKid's comment Thailand can do as they wish to him. He has been deported from Australia, maybe lost in transit but none the less deported so Australia won't want him back. Lock him up in a thai prison for awhile and then deport him to Germany but don't use an aussie courier service, maybe get the Germans to come over and collect him.. If he's still got the loot from his heists, we could give him an Elite Card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUAHIN62 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Something is wrong, if he applied for a passport and was supposed to collect it in Bangkok, he had to know that he will be passing through Thailand. He had to be certain he could escape to collect the passport. I think he planned this in advance and have support from someone he knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Something is wrong, if he applied for a passport and was supposed to collect it in Bangkok, he had to know that he will be passing through Thailand. He had to be certain he could escape to collect the passport. I think he planned this in advance and have support from someone he knows. I don't know anything about German passports so would he be allowed to apply from Australia for collection here or did someone here help with an application suggesting he was living in Thailand already ? I was thinking if he had sent it in from Australia direct he would have been referred to a German diplomatic mission there for issue but I really don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thai police are conducting a manhunt for the German fugitive in Australian robbery cases who fled Suvarnabhumi airport during a transit stop on May 16, according to the immigration police commander I believe Thai government should bill the expense of the manhunt to to that Australian security company... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thai police are conducting a manhunt for the German fugitive in Australian robbery cases who fled Suvarnabhumi airport during a transit stop on May 16, according to the immigration police commander I believe Thai government should bill the expense of the manhunt to to that Australian security company... British Security Company. Serco is a British Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songhua Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Something is wrong, if he applied for a passport and was supposed to collect it in Bangkok, he had to know that he will be passing through Thailand. He had to be certain he could escape to collect the passport. I think he planned this in advance and have support from someone he knows. Keep in mind that he's reported to have been in Thailand since 16th May. Ten or eleven days to process a passport in-country would seem feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Member Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Something is wrong, if he applied for a passport and was supposed to collect it in Bangkok, he had to know that he will be passing through Thailand. He had to be certain he could escape to collect the passport. I think he planned this in advance and have support from someone he knows. Keep in mind that he's reported to have been in Thailand since 16th May. Ten or eleven days to process a passport in-country would seem feasible. Small point but I don't think any of we conspiracy theorists have suggested yet that the escorts were paid to fall asleep and a sound sleep too as he was supposedly wandering around the airport, had a foot massage, and possibly waiting for someone all without a care in the world. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Something is wrong, if he applied for a passport and was supposed to collect it in Bangkok, he had to know that he will be passing through Thailand. He had to be certain he could escape to collect the passport. I think he planned this in advance and have support from someone he knows. I think that might involve a crystal ball somewhere along the line. His flight was delayed in Bkk due to bad weather in Germany. If he had access to this kind of information, I doubt anyone is going to catch him........... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Something is wrong, if he applied for a passport and was supposed to collect it in Bangkok, he had to know that he will be passing through Thailand. He had to be certain he could escape to collect the passport. I think he planned this in advance and have support from someone he knows. Keep in mind that he's reported to have been in Thailand since 16th May. Ten or eleven days to process a passport in-country would seem feasible. Small point but I don't think any of we conspiracy theorists have suggested yet that the escorts were paid to fall asleep and a sound sleep too as he was supposedly wandering around the airport, had a foot massage, and possibly waiting for someone all without a care in the world. Just a thought. Hidden in plain view................ Sometimes better than acting suspiciously trying to avoid detection. So I have heard................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealth Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 If there is/was no official arrest warrant or an agreement to have him sent to Germany then it could be constructed as abduction. Interpol only gets active when there are major crimes involved. Europeans often use Russian airlines to send criminal fugitives back to their country (they are much tougher and not so soft) He may have asked or called up the Embassy for a new passport and they have told him to come by to take the bio-metric data(fingerprints) and then wait about three weeks. He didn't show up. I don't think they gave him a specific date to come. They usually just say to come to the Embassy. There they would inform him that he is wanted (or not) for outstanding cases. In emergency cases they will issue a one time travel document within a short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 If there is/was no official arrest warrant or an agreement to have him sent to Germany then it could be constructed as abduction. Interpol only gets active when there are major crimes involved. Europeans often use Russian airlines to send criminal fugitives back to their country (they are much tougher and not so soft) He may have asked or called up the Embassy for a new passport and they have told him to come by to take the bio-metric data(fingerprints) and then wait about three weeks. He didn't show up. I don't think they gave him a specific date to come. They usually just say to come to the Embassy. There they would inform him that he is wanted (or not) for outstanding cases. In emergency cases they will issue a one time travel document within a short time. How on earth can deporting someone back to thier homeland in any possible way be considered abduction? The guy was in Australia ilegally (expired visa) committing serious offences (armed robbery/drug dealing/manufacturing) he spent time in prison and on release was transfered to an immigration detention centre pending deportation. Is the abduction part taking him out of Australia where he shouldn't have been. Also note that he agreed to the deportation (did not lodge an appeal) Remember a country can only deport someone to thier home land they can't just dump them wherever they want. Nope sorry but your abduction thing is just plain silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealth Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 deportation ends at the airport by placing him into the plane to a foreign destination, make sure he doesn't come back. Done! Unless there was/is an arrest warrant there is nothing else the Aussies can/could do. Were the German authorities informed? Did they get a legally backed up consent? They probably only applied for a travel document. If none of these happened then it could become a serious international issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 deportation ends at the airport by placing him into the plane to a foreign destination, make sure he doesn't come back. Done! Unless there was/is an arrest warrant there is nothing else the Aussies can/could do. Were the German authorities informed? Did they get a legally backed up consent? They probably only applied for a travel document. If none of these happened then it could become a serious international issue. Not in Australia it doesn't, the duty of care ends when he lands at his final destination. The Australian Government is responsible for him until he reaches that destination that is why all deportees are escorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He did not escape from Australian Police and he is not a fugitive. The Nation needs to get thier facts correct. They were Australian "Civilian Security Gaurds" who were escorting him and "NOT POLICE" He had served his time in jail and was released and as Australia has said, he can't be charged with escaping from lawful custody because he was not technically in custody. His offence by leaving the airport would be entering without a valid visa but Australia has no jurisdiction there. Your right there Chooka, Me thinks those Queensland state budget cuts went to far, should have had at least one AFP , he is wanted in Germany, hence he's escorted return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealth Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 deportation ends at the airport by placing him into the plane to a foreign destination, make sure he doesn't come back. Done! Unless there was/is an arrest warrant there is nothing else the Aussies can/could do. Were the German authorities informed? Did they get a legally backed up consent? They probably only applied for a travel document. If none of these happened then it could become a serious international issue. Not in Australia it doesn't, the duty of care ends when he lands at his final destination. The Australian Government is responsible for him until he reaches that destination that is why all deportees are escorted. I think it would be interesting to get an official German version about that case. Some of the bigger media there picking up on that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totster Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) If he's still got the loot from his heists, we could give him an Elite Card. We ??? totster Edited May 29, 2013 by Totster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 If he's still got the loot from his heists, we could give him an Elite Card. We ???totster The rest of the TV Elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emdog Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Well, at least we have a photo. I would like to see an episode of "Interpol investigates" about this. Very Keystone Kops, imho. "Without a passport, I wonder which personal ID he used to sign in with at the cafe" Since when has this been in effect? I have never been asked for any type of id. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Well, at least we have a photo. I would like to see an episode of "Interpol investigates" about this. Very Keystone Kops, imho. "Without a passport, I wonder which personal ID he used to sign in with at the cafe" Since when has this been in effect? I have never been asked for any type of id. Security gaurds not cops. Two very different things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Well, at least we have a photo. I would like to see an episode of "Interpol investigates" about this. Very Keystone Kops, imho. "Without a passport, I wonder which personal ID he used to sign in with at the cafe" Since when has this been in effect? I have never been asked for any type of id. Security gaurds not cops. Two very different things And a dose of fantasy as Interpol doesn't investigate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I've tried getting around this but it's heavy going so I need help, more than you realise ! It's reported he's due to face charges in Germany but the Germans don't seem to have been involved. They don't appear to have sought extradition so was this a fastrack deal that in lieu of that the Australians would simply deport him and the first German involvement would have been the welcoming committee on his arrival home ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 When this is all over they could turn it into a movie. Though of course it would be banned in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thai police are conducting a manhunt for the German fugitive in Australian robbery cases who fled Suvarnabhumi airport during a transit stop on May 16, according to the immigration police commander I believe Thai government should bill the expense of the manhunt to to that Australian security company... British Security Company. Serco is a British Company. Using Australian employees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 I've tried getting around this but it's heavy going so I need help, more than you realise ! It's reported he's due to face charges in Germany but the Germans don't seem to have been involved. They don't appear to have sought extradition so was this a fastrack deal that in lieu of that the Australians would simply deport him and the first German involvement would have been the welcoming committee on his arrival home ? I think that is pretty much it. When you deport someone it is back to thier home country. The Germans know this and they probably thought why waste time and money seeking extradtion when he is going to be brought back via deportation. Just arrest when the plane lands, quick easy and cheap. I also guess that is why we haven't heard boo out of the germans because they haven't been involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson468 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He did not escape from Australian Police and he is not a fugitive. The Nation needs to get thier facts correct. They were Australian "Civilian Security Gaurds" who were escorting him and "NOT POLICE" He had served his time in jail and was released and as Australia has said, he can't be charged with escaping from lawful custody because he was not technically in custody. His offence by leaving the airport would be entering without a valid visa but Australia has no jurisdiction there. Lucky he isn't a fugitive. The Thai police don't have much of a success rate with fugitives. SOME fugatives are popular in Thailand, I believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chooka Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thai police are conducting a manhunt for the German fugitive in Australian robbery cases who fled Suvarnabhumi airport during a transit stop on May 16, according to the immigration police commander I believe Thai government should bill the expense of the manhunt to to that Australian security company... British Security Company. Serco is a British Company. Using Australian employees. Yep and they are the subject of a current senate inquiry, They have lost 10 people (detainees) in just one week. Speaks volumes for thier management and training. This company is also in charge of defence security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishIvan Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thai police are conducting a manhunt for the German fugitive in Australian robbery cases who fled Suvarnabhumi airport during a transit stop on May 16, according to the immigration police commander I believe Thai government should bill the expense of the manhunt to to that Australian security company... British Security Company. Serco is a British Company. Using Australian employees. Yep and they are the subject of a current senate inquiry, They have lost 10 people (detainees) in just one week. Speaks volumes for thier management and training. This company is also in charge of defence security Thats what happens when you privatise security. They are currently privatising gaols in Australia now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 He did not escape from Australian Police and he is not a fugitive. The Nation needs to get thier facts correct. They were Australian "Civilian Security Gaurds" who were escorting him and "NOT POLICE" He had served his time in jail and was released and as Australia has said, he can't be charged with escaping from lawful custody because he was not technically in custody. His offence by leaving the airport would be entering without a valid visa but Australia has no jurisdiction there. This is all odd. Australia was deporting him. No problem with that, but why send security guards with him all the way to Germany? If he was not in lawful custody then the guards would not have any power to stop him leaving once they were out of Australian territory, would they? I don't think security guards have any powers of arrest do they? And even if they did, they would not have them outside of Australian jurisdiction. There is no mention of any extradition request from Germany and the German police don't appear to have been interested in getting him back. This looks a complete buggers muddle before he even got into Thailand. He has committed an offence by illegally entering Thailand etc. I believe Thai policy in such cases is to deport to the country of your nationality so he will be sent to Germany if/when caught, presumably if someone pays for the air ticket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Thai police are conducting a manhunt for the German fugitive in Australian robbery cases who fled Suvarnabhumi airport during a transit stop on May 16, according to the immigration police commander I believe Thai government should bill the expense of the manhunt to to that Australian security company... British Security Company. Serco is a British Company. Using Australian employees. Yep and they are the subject of a current senate inquiry, They have lost 10 people (detainees) in just one week. Speaks volumes for thier management and training. This company is also in charge of defence security Thats what happens when you privatise security. They are currently privatising gaols in Australia now Yes - its a frightening prospect. There is some talk of privatising parts of the military in the UK too! Serco, Group 4. etc - they all seem to cock up regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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