Will27 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Hi Gang This case involves a Russian woman but it could be applied to any "high risk"country such as Thailand. There is always lots of discussion on here about 8503 being imposed for Thai's. He is a good example of why it's imposed and is hard to get lifted. http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/adelaide-man-fights-to-keep-pregnant-russian-girlfriend-here/story-e6frea83-1226652602806 Regards Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisb Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Wonder what would happen if she was to far pregnant to fly? I also think her bf is getting a bit carried away with the whole financial ruin bit. I mean it's not a free process but surely they considered these things when she moved in you would think anyway. The whole thing seems a bit heartless by diac, but if they let her stay on these grounds, it would open the flood gates for others I'd imagine. The testing trials and tribulations of visas!..ughh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) The circumstances in which the minister may waive [condition 8503] are: (a) since the person was granted the visa that was subject to the condition, compelling and compassionate circumstances have developed: (i) over which the person had no control; and (ii) that resulted in a major change to the person's circumstances; Pregnancy would not be considered a circumstance over which the person had no control. Edited May 29, 2013 by Old Croc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 7by7 Posted May 29, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2013 All seems a bit sus to me. She arrives in Australia with a three months visa and almost immediately joins a dating site. She then finds someone and almost immediately gets pregnant. I think that was her intention all along; get pregnant by an Australian man so she could remain in Australia. Should have read up on the rules first! Just my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisb Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 Yes but you would think being pregnant would be grounds for compassion and I'd say it's compelling also. But anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post David48 Posted May 29, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2013 All seems a bit sus to me. She arrives in Australia with a three months visa and almost immediately joins a dating site. She then finds someone and almost immediately gets pregnant. I think that was her intention all along; get pregnant by an Australian man so she could remain in Australia. Should have read up on the rules first! Just my opinion. I thought it ... you wrote it. . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisb Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 All seems a bit sus to me. She arrives in Australia with a three months visa and almost immediately joins a dating site. She then finds someone and almost immediately gets pregnant. I think that was her intention all along; get pregnant by an Australian man so she could remain in Australia. Should have read up on the rules first! Just my opinion. When you put it that way does sound sus.Sent from my LG-E612 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 (edited) . As we discovered on the other thread ... you are allowed to fly up till 8 1/2 months pregnant. She can go home and then apply for a Visa ... just like everyone else. I'm tired of the sympathy card being played. Half of me thinks the only reason the media picked up on this particular story is that she looks pretty on the photo ... what about the 100 other that are in the same position? Some times we are subtly feed by the Media ... but on this occasion ... I'm not biting. . Edited May 29, 2013 by David48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 It's True Love!! I dont have much sympathy really. I know people that have had to go through all sorts of hoops and over hurdles to get permanent residency visas and the like...and that is after being together or married for years. Wear a condom and the chances of pregnancy will drop dramatically 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted May 29, 2013 Author Share Posted May 29, 2013 It's True Love!! I dont have much sympathy really. I know people that have had to go through all sorts of hoops and over hurdles to get permanent residency visas and the like...and that is after being together or married for years. Wear a condom and the chances of pregnancy will drop dramatical IMO, that would defeat the purpose of her true intentions, which was to snare a husband. Anybody that thinks Ms Zaydenberg came to Australia for study and not to find a husband, also believes in the tooth fairy. Regards Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 It's True Love!! I dont have much sympathy really. I know people that have had to go through all sorts of hoops and over hurdles to get permanent residency visas and the like...and that is after being together or married for years. Wear a condom and the chances of pregnancy will drop dramatical IMO, that would defeat the purpose of her true intentions, which was to snare a husband. Anybody that thinks Ms Zaydenberg came to Australia for study and not to find a husband, also believes in the tooth fairy. Regards Will It's True Love!! I dont have much sympathy really. I know people that have had to go through all sorts of hoops and over hurdles to get permanent residency visas and the like...and that is after being together or married for years. Wear a condom and the chances of pregnancy will drop dramatical IMO, that would defeat the purpose of her true intentions, which was to snare a husband. Anybody that thinks Ms Zaydenberg came to Australia for study and not to find a husband, also believes in the tooth fairy. Regards Will Oh i completely agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 And they live in Paradise... Hahaha you just can't make this stuff up! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 And they live in Paradise... Hahaha you just can't make this stuff up! If only they could Surf ... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted May 29, 2013 Share Posted May 29, 2013 And they live in Paradise... Hahaha you just can't make this stuff up! If only they could Surf ... . I see what you did there lol.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Wonder what would happen if she was to far pregnant to fly? I also think her bf is getting a bit carried away with the whole financial ruin bit. I mean it's not a free process but surely they considered these things when she moved in you would think anyway. The whole thing seems a bit heartless by diac, but if they let her stay on these grounds, it would open the flood gates for others I'd imagine. The testing trials and tribulations of visas!..ughh. I see they already tried that route providing a letter from a Doctor saying she should not undertake any "unnecessary" travel. Bottom line is, if she couldn't travel due to the pregnancy, she would be placed on a Bridging visa E until a time when she could. That gets very messy and political though, which is why it's often tried. Regards Will Edited May 30, 2013 by Will27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 Yes but you would think being pregnant would be grounds for compassion and I'd say it's compelling also. But anyway. Yes but it states (i) over which the person had no control; I'd suggest banging away like a dunny door until she got pregnant isn't something they had no control over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will27 Posted May 30, 2013 Author Share Posted May 30, 2013 I think this guy is going to be in for a world of pain. I think it's shocking that he involved his kids by being photographed for the paper. Like David48 said previously, just playing the sympathy card. It's one thing to want to be with someone, but another entirely bringing young kids into it. Not to mention unborn ones as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Not often a Music Clip is directly relevant to an OP in the Visa Forum ... but this one might pass muster ... and it's a bit of fun that many here might not have seen. Every person has their dreams of which country they wish to escape to ... Tahiti is up there on my list ... but that what it remains ... a dream, an aspiration. Some people try and materialise that dream. Just reading the News story in the OP, it seems that the Man found his dream girl and this dream girl found her dream country ... just that the Australian Government has a wee say in the proceedings. The test of the relationship is if the birth actually occurs (in Russia or Ukraine), the relationship survives and the lady is granted residency here. Her case is no more desperate then 100's of others. Romantika = Romance ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masuk Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well at least they applied for a visa. The Aussie government is currently paying 6 billion dollars a year to maintain facilities for illegal migrants, arriving in Australia by Indonesian fishing boats every day. No-one has come up with a solution which will deter them and the Indo govt seems to turn a blind eye to these craft setting sail on a daily basis. No use suggesting turning the boats back as that's against maritime law - or it is as soon as they pull the plug and start sinking. They have to be rescued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This item has a personal history to me. The article says a doctors advice she should not, will not hold In my own personal case my Thai lady had the no further stays on her visa while in Australia she became pregnant we had no idea till we where back in Thailand on out next trip to Oz we had to take a trip to NZ as she was on a Multi entry She visited the Gold Coast hospital who worked out the birth date then we decided to get a specialist to look after her He had a different opinion of the birth date and said she was due to give birth earlier than the hospital said Came the time for her to return to Thailand and 2 months before the birth was due when we went to see the specialist he did a check of the baby and sid she would give birth in 3 weeks There was no letter advising But a letter saying "HE DENIED MY THAI LADY TO FLY" due to the fact that the Hospital had it wrong and that we had planned her return to Thailand on advise given by the hospital which was incorrect" With this letter it was decided by Aus. Immigratiion to remove her NO FUTHER STAY and granted her a Bridging Visa years later she is now an Australian citizen Moral: does she appreciate her good luck No way, in her mind it was the Australian government duty to allow her to stay as she was pregnant End of the story: 1 week before she got her Australian citizenship, she was gone and living with another guy who had a better income than me, and she had only met 2 times before, And left the child with me. Again It was my duty to do all I did for her No matter what you do, when the time comes, there will always be someone better than you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post David48 Posted May 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2013 No-one has come up with a solution which will deter them and the Indo govt seems to turn a blind eye to these craft setting sail on a daily basis. Actually the previous government had great success with their policy of ... OK ... you're a refugee but no ... you can apply for your brother, sister, parents, uncle, grandmother to piggy back your 'Family' migration Visa. The family saves all their pennies and sends one. That one then applies for the others. I'm all for Refugees ... but let us decide who we take and let's take a broad spectrum of Cultures and Nationalities to enrich what a great nation Australia is and not those economic refugees who can afford the taxi fare across the ditch of $5,000 - $10,000, are of religious orientations which get Christmas banned in some loony left Councils. No Johnny, no Christmas Christian Nativity play this year ... we don't wish to go and upset the others now do we? Having said that wee little rant ... (apologies to the OP) and best this thread not go down that path otherwise it might be closed quickly. . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullstop Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Not often a Music Clip is directly relevant to an OP in the Visa Forum ... but this one might pass muster...but for one small flaw. It's incomprehensible. Now where did I put my Russian/English dictionary ......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David48 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 <snip> End of the story: 1 week before she got her Australian citizenship, she was gone and living with another guy who had a better income than me, and she had only met 2 times before, And left the child with me. Again It was my duty to do all I did for her No matter what you do, when the time comes, there will always be someone better than you Tezzainoz ... many, if not all reading your story pass on their regards to you. If we ever meet ... it's my shout till you can't stand any more ... BTW ... have you braved the relationship treadmill and have a new Thai Lassie? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bri1guy Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Why don't they just get married ASAP it will help for the future & since she already is pregnant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Why don't they just get married ASAP it will help for the future & since she already is pregnant! How is this going to help? How did this even get air time in Australia? Slow day at the office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosst Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 All seems a bit sus to me. She arrives in Australia with a three months visa and almost immediately joins a dating site. She then finds someone and almost immediately gets pregnant. I think that was her intention all along; get pregnant by an Australian man so she could remain in Australia. Should have read up on the rules first! Just my opinion. I thought it ... you wrote it. . Amen to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwan Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Are there no English language schools in Russia? Could she not communicate with her friend by Internet? I am not surprised by the Aussie Immigration stance. The best laid plans o' mice an' men oft gang a-glay. Maybe she should have tried the UK. They'll let anyone in - except Thai born wives of natives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 Well at least they applied for a visa. The Aussie government is currently paying 6 billion dollars a year to maintain facilities for illegal migrants, arriving in Australia by Indonesian fishing boats every day. No-one has come up with a solution which will deter them and the Indo govt seems to turn a blind eye to these craft setting sail on a daily basis. No use suggesting turning the boats back as that's against maritime law - or it is as soon as they pull the plug and start sinking. They have to be rescued. Are you referring to asylum seekers or illegal immigrants? There are 13 times more illegal immigrants than there are asylum seekers in detention who have arrived by boat. There are 4446 detained boat people, the largest national grouping of which are Afghans (1422). http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6frea6u-1226200568050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Just check the Russian dating sites, there are hundreds of them qeueing to get into Australia. So why should she be the one to get preference, she jumped into bed and got preggers too bad, or was it intentional ? Edited May 30, 2013 by oldsailor35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsailor35 Posted May 30, 2013 Share Posted May 30, 2013 This item has a personal history to me. The article says a doctors advice she should not, will not hold In my own personal case my Thai lady had the no further stays on her visa while in Australia she became pregnant we had no idea till we where back in Thailand on out next trip to Oz we had to take a trip to NZ as she was on a Multi entry She visited the Gold Coast hospital who worked out the birth date then we decided to get a specialist to look after her He had a different opinion of the birth date and said she was due to give birth earlier than the hospital said Came the time for her to return to Thailand and 2 months before the birth was due when we went to see the specialist he did a check of the baby and sid she would give birth in 3 weeks There was no letter advising But a letter saying "HE DENIED MY THAI LADY TO FLY" due to the fact that the Hospital had it wrong and that we had planned her return to Thailand on advise given by the hospital which was incorrect" With this letter it was decided by Aus. Immigratiion to remove her NO FUTHER STAY and granted her a Bridging Visa years later she is now an Australian citizen Moral: does she appreciate her good luck No way, in her mind it was the Australian government duty to allow her to stay as she was pregnant End of the story: 1 week before she got her Australian citizenship, she was gone and living with another guy who had a better income than me, and she had only met 2 times before, And left the child with me. Again It was my duty to do all I did for her No matter what you do, when the time comes, there will always be someone better than you Yes, but you have to realise that she is Thai ! and the other is Russian. I have met several guys tricked by Thai ladies ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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