Laos - Still A Commy & Under Chinese Control More Than Ever

[Chao Lao Beach]

I am not really sure where to put this.

The Chinese have a policy to return them to N Korea.

This cute girl will 99.9% be killed in a violent death. Laos are still commy bastards that deserve to be boycott & isolated.

Quote:

CHIANG RAI – Laos has sent nine North Koreans who fled their totalitarian homeland through China last month back to China, a senior Seoul official said Tuesday, indicating that they are at risk of being repatriated to North Korea.

The nine North Korean defectors, aged between 15 and 23, were deported to China late Monday (local time) after being rounded up by the Lao authorities on May 10, the senior official at Seoul’s foreign ministry said.

The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that South Korea had asked Laos to send them to Seoul, but Laos “unexpectedly” rejected Seoul’s plea.

“We have been in close contact with relevant governments to deal with the case,” the official said.

South Korean Foreign Minister Yun Byung-se held a meeting with senior officials on Monday night, shortly after the nine North Koreans — seven men and two women — were sent back to China, the official said. End Quote

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[MrWorldwide]

Right, and the people doing 20 to life in Thai and Malaysian jails for possession are better off ? Her fate was sealed at birth - I take no joy in that, but would you have even bothered if it had been a photo of a child dying in a refugee camp in Jordan or Saharan Africa ? Time to get over your ideological puritanism, methinks - that, or get out and start protesting. Talk is cheap, I'm afraid.

[canuckamuck]

Certainly starting a discussion on a forum is a form of protest Mr. WW. I find no fault in the outrage expressed by the OP. He has every right to criticize Laos policy, as much right as you do to ignore it.

[MrWorldwide]

Er, no - I violently disagree with it. Ignoring half-truths is a significant step on the way to an even nastier world, but the people of Laos would be in a very precarious position if they ignored the wishes of N Korea and China.

[farmerjo]

I think its no different if you or i turned up there illegally,we would be deported also.

They unfortunately chose the wrong place,had they got a boat to australia..........

[PREM-R]

I think its no different if you or i turned up there illegally,we would be deported also.

They unfortunately chose the wrong place,had they got a boat to australia..........

They may have been intercepted by the Thai navy and then set adrift without food and water.

[MrWorldwide]

I think its no different if you or i turned up there illegally,we would be deported also.

They unfortunately chose the wrong place,had they got a boat to australia..........

Right - she'd be on a godforsaken island in the middle of the Pacific while Immigration sat on its hands and waited for her to attempt suicide. Our system is as cold and unforgiving as anywhere else.

[farmerjo]

Haven't heard of any complaints by those who abide by the laws to get into a country.

Minority people again at their best.

[farmerjo]

Haven't heard of any complaints by those who abide by the laws to get into a country.

Minority people again at their best.

Come to think of it,having worked on and off in laos for last 18 months,i would consider australia a more commy country.

You can spray your bum in laos without questions,not sure about aus anymore.

[chiangmaibruce]

I think its no different if you or i turned up there illegally,we would be deported also.

They unfortunately chose the wrong place,had they got a boat to australia..........

Right - she'd be on a godforsaken island in the middle of the Pacific while Immigration sat on its hands and waited for her to attempt suicide. Our system is as cold and unforgiving as anywhere else.

The cost of managing illegal immigration was about 1.4 billion last financial year and will be more than double that this year. How much would we have to spend to be warm and forgiving, and where should that money be diverted from?

[Payboy]

Laos - Still A Commy & Under Chinese Control

As opposed to one other country which is a comedy & under Chinese control.

[MrWorldwide]

I think its no different if you or i turned up there illegally,we would be deported also.

They unfortunately chose the wrong place,had they got a boat to australia..........

Right - she'd be on a godforsaken island in the middle of the Pacific while Immigration sat on its hands and waited for her to attempt suicide. Our system is as cold and unforgiving as anywhere else.

The cost of managing illegal immigration was about 1.4 billion last financial year and will be more than double that this year. How much would we have to spend to be warm and forgiving, and where should that money be diverted from?

Right, so they dont have a right to have their claims processed in a timely manner ? I would have one very simple rule - rock up with no documentation and you'll be on a plane that afternoon : problem solved. Harsh ? Maybe, but we've had people left to rot in our detention centres for 5 years and more - unbelievable.

[Tomtomtom69]

Why would these people go all the way from North Korea to Laos of all places? Mongolia is much closer to North Korea and I believe they don't deport North Koreans back to China from there! All in all, a sad situation for these people but a really dumb move by these human traffickers! Yes, I've heard that Laos is only a transit country for them to come to Thailand and then be deported to South Korea but I don't understand why they didn't choose a much closer country. Or if they make it as far as SE Asia, why not head into Vietnam first and then to Cambodia and then to Thailand to be deported to South Korea?

[wilcopops]

I think its no different if you or i turned up there illegally,we would be deported also.

They unfortunately chose the wrong place,had they got a boat to australia..........

Right - she'd be on a godforsaken island in the middle of the Pacific while Immigration sat on its hands and waited for her to attempt suicide. Our system is as cold and unforgiving as anywhere else.

The cost of managing illegal immigration was about 1.4 billion last financial year and will be more than double that this year. How much would we have to spend to be warm and forgiving, and where should that money be diverted from?

Whose cost?????

[chiangmaibruce]

Wilco - Paid for by the Australian Government courtesy of Australian taxpayers

Mr WW - Sounds like a plan to me

Whose cost?????

Edited June 1, 2013 by chiangmaibruce

[wilcopops]

Wilco - Paid for by the Australian Government courtesy of Australian taxpayers

Mr WW - Sounds like a plan to me

Whose cost?????

Get your perspectives straight!

You have no idea how few peoploe Oz recieves compared to other countries - and you are often in breach of international agreements you signed

Edited June 1, 2013 by wilcopops

[MrWorldwide]

Our PM is a pathological liar - I wouldn't put much stock in anything she signed ....

[bangkokburning]

As usual, I am overwhelmed by the compassion of the TV brigade.

Must not be easy fitting into that brown shirt with the beer gut and all...

A puppet state known for all sorts of human rights abuse. A vassal of vietnam, a private mafia for a bunch of upcountry bumpkins who hold the entire nation hostage.

The "communists" were able to become defacto rulers merely by being the last farmers standing. They have delivered only midery and incompetence to the nation to this day. It's Hmong "minorities" hunted to this very day. It's human rights advocates disappear as if they lived in - a communist country.

I'll let you get back to your beer and ping pong show, I need a shower...

[MrWorldwide]

When you've finished with your holier-than-thou summations, answer me this:

- what, specifically, did you do when the KR were systematically torturing and murdering Cambodian families ? Did you attempt any form of protest when Pol Pot was given sanctuary in Thailand ?

- what have you done while the military junta in Burma have carried out atrocities on their own people while you partied it up right next door in Thailand ?

- where were you when the TNI were raping and killing Acehnese, as they continue to do to the people of West Papua right now ?

- how many Hmong have you sheltered from the reprisals carried our by the Laotian and Vietnamese governments ?

- what have you done to shine a light on extra-judicial killings in southern Thailand ? I guess they're Muslims, so that makes it OK ?

I've done SFA, but I dont stand on a soap box ranting about the oppressive regime in Laos : from where I sit, they ALL have blood on their hands. If you are in any way serious about doing something beyond posturing, I'd suggest this is a very good start:

http://www.scv.org.au/

[bangkokburning]

what, specifically, did you do when the KR were systematically torturing and murdering Cambodian families ? Did you attempt any form of protest when Pol Pot was given sanctuary in Thailand ?

Well not much fool, the US did very little to make Cambodia a household world before or after the nation pulled out of the war - which we did when I was entering puberty at 13. By the time the KR collapsed, I had not even graduated HS. But even at this early age, I was political and was anti war. I have been anti war all my life.

What is to protest? When a nation decides to wholesale screw its people, its game over. There is nothing to protest. When something like Myanmar, Syria or Isreal occurs - the message is quite clear. That message is...we do what we want.

The relationship that developed in the early 80s was based on logging and mining and continued with the assistance of the Thai army. The logging and gemstone operations went on until the very end. Since when does the world have any impact on whatba bunch of rogue army units do in a jungle let alone a quite unstable Thai govt.

But that is the easiest of this puzzle to understand because you need to now toss in Cambodian refugees on the border no one wants and refuse to go back out of both fear for life and starvation. The US which wholesale tuned its back on Cambodia as the Viets were running the joint. Vietnam trying to come to grips with reconciling itself as well as propping up its neighbors less they become anarchic and lawless.

I majored in History at one of the top 100 universities in the US, SEA and the Vietnam conflict a concentration.

Id lived in Cambodia for the most part from very late 93 to 96. I've made many trips since. Id lived in a city that had the highest population of Khmer outdide Phnom Penh. Finally, Ive had two very serious relationships with Khmer women in the US and Phnom Penh. Dont get all righteous with me about Cambodia bro.

what have you done while the military junta in Burma have carried out atrocities on their own people while you partied it up right next door in Thailand ?

First, the nations name is Myanmar. You need to get that straight. No amount of your petty protest by using the colonial British name matters or will change that. I have made four trips into Myanmar. Ive also had my share of scrapes with the law there. I have been found and turned back on remote roads (94-96). I was both times held against my will and guarded in a hotel and placed on transport back into central Myanmar. I corresponded with a number of dissidents from 94 to this date where now we just hit each other up on facebook. I pretty much lost the torch there as SuuKyi aged. She lost her spirit, the people lost their way. They want Walmart not freedom. But thanks for the blind criticism.

where were you when the TNI were raping and killing Acehnese, as they continue to do to the people of West Papua right now ?

Well, I'm not Superman but I have visited Aceh many times. My Indonesian is as good as my Thai after despite not visiting other than Bali in years. I've been hassled by GAM fighters. Im indifferent to their plight. Everyone wants to be free but I do not see how conservative Islam brungs freedom in practice. As for Papua, Indo has a history of treating its people, especially minorities badly (Timor?).

How many Hmong have you sheltered from the reprisals carried our by the Laotian and Vietnamese governments ?

Well, I used to go to the Hmong NY festival in the community where I lived religiously. I made it a point to patronize their businesses. Many Hmong lived in the Khmer community. I have some photos of the last festival I attended in 97 before I left for Asia for good. Want me to post them for proof? So, please...blow me.

what have you done to shine a light on extra-judicial killings in southern Thailand ? I guess they're Muslims, so that makes it OK ?

The south is a real mess. I sympathize and always have with movements of self determination but what the muslims ate doing in the south is pure terrorism in its most literal sense. It used to be fun and games, but someone went to a conflict zone and learned how to make some serious bombs and its now escalated. Im so fed up with those stupid people, Im sort of som nam naa about it all.

Thailand cannot and should not allow them to breakaway

Malaysia does not want poor, ignorant, radicalized citizens

The notion of a pan Islamic calaphate is a wetdream

The people and their cause is just <deleted> ignorant

They might want to visit Issan to see what poverty and no rain looks like

I've done SFA, but I dont stand on a soap box ranting about the oppressive regime in Laos : from where I sit, they ALL have blood on their hands. If you are in any way serious about doing something beyond posturing, I'd suggest this is a very good start:

In addition to that, I have looked at the US diplomatic corp as career option and been waitlisted in the Peace Corp.

Spare me the lectures.

I don't need your lectures.

[MrWorldwide]

And I don't need your derision - nowhere in my post did I call you a fool nor did I imply that you were a worthless monger, yet you see fit to cast me in that role. I guess it's easy to cast aspersions from a position of total moral rectitude - I'll just go back to looking at Katoey porn, shall I ?

[bangkokburning]

Your post was quite dismissive as well as derisive. You heaped it on in perhaps half dozen places.

As well as ...atrocities...what did I do...partying it up next door...

I came to Thailand as sort of a retired backpacker. When all the adventure was spent out of Myanmar, Lao, Vietnam and Cambodia. I tucked it in and called it a day. Thailand was nothing more than a pizza stop for me for a decade. Thailand is for old people and dopey sex tourists that don't have the balls to decend to the real depths of skeeziness. It provides a pleasant vaneer for the folks back home too!

Honestly, I should have kept going in retrospect. I've had some great times, I have a great wife who also loves travel and adventure. But I miss the real road, I miss the danger. It's still out there - hanging by a thread. There are true adventures to be had, even in Asia.

Alas, the wallet is not as fat as it used to be. My back as well.

[wilcopops]

just read the title and you know this is going to be a crap thread.

[harrry]

But whether or not you agree with him there is at least one person who has some idea of the reality.

just read the title and you know this is going to be a crap thread.

[wilcopops]

But whether or not you agree with him there is at least one person who has some idea of the reality.

just read the title and you know this is going to be a crap thread.

No it isn't - anyone who uses the word "commy" hasn't got a clue

Edited June 3, 2013 by wilcopops

[yoslim]

the girl is cute and should be working in a bar in Pattaya not deported back to N.Korea

[FACTOR]

the girl is cute and should be working in a bar in Pattaya not deported back to N.Korea

Sick

[MrWorldwide]

Lets not feed any more trolls, unless we are feeding them to crocodiles, of course

[Potosi]

Certainly starting a discussion on a forum is a form of protest Mr. WW. I find no fault in the outrage expressed by the OP. He has every right to criticize Laos policy, as much right as you do to ignore it.

Maybe not if he's Australian, there seem to be some more in this thread. Australia doesn't grant asylum to North Koreans, but gives them the boot and ships them to SK on the grounds that there is a democratic Korea. Which isn't the favourite destination of North Koreans tough. Some are afraid that Kim will come and get them. Only about 25,000 North Koreans have fled the country since the Korean war, that's a negligible number and does not indicate that the regime is anywhere as bad as painted in the West, and the happily smiling girl on the pic might not face the fate the OP wants for her. The borders to Russia and China are not fortified, if North Koreans desire so, they can got to Vladivostok and fetch the ferry to South Korea, or to Quingdao in China and take a ferry to Seoul. There are SK consulates in Vladivostok as well as Quingdao, they'd help with travel documents. Both places are a short way from North Korea's border, in Asian distances, while Laos isn't.

[wilcopops]

Certainly starting a discussion on a forum is a form of protest Mr. WW. I find no fault in the outrage expressed by the OP. He has every right to criticize Laos policy, as much right as you do to ignore it.

Maybe not if he's Australian, there seem to be some more in this thread. Australia doesn't grant asylum to North Koreans, but gives them the boot and ships them to SK on the grounds that there is a democratic Korea. Which isn't the favourite destination of North Koreans tough. Some are afraid that Kim will come and get them. Only about 25,000 North Koreans have fled the country since the Korean war, that's a negligible number and does not indicate that the regime is anywhere as bad as painted in the West, and the happily smiling girl on the pic might not face the fate the OP wants for her. The borders to Russia and China are not fortified, if North Koreans desire so, they can got to Vladivostok and fetch the ferry to South Korea, or to Quingdao in China and take a ferry to Seoul. There are SK consulates in Vladivostok as well as Quingdao, they'd help with travel documents. Both places are a short way from North Korea's border, in Asian distances, while Laos isn't.

Every right? - why should anyone have a "right" to express an "opinion" on something that is not based on at least a scant amount of rational thought?