Foreigners And Thais Nothing In Common We Can Relate To, To Talk About

[benalibina]

When thai people read page 5 of this topic they would say to each other; enough with reading this nonsense, lets talk about food !!!!

[theblether]

Well, I'm sure you know theBlether's dinner companions better than he does, from your deep insight into Thai culture and their personalities.

Whenever I was away on business with a Thai colleague, I never found the conversation dull, but that is probably because I fitted in well, lacking in sophistication and interest in world affairs. I don't think I once considered turning the course of conversation to philosophy or high art.

SC

May I point out that it was a question ? (does money gives you critical thinking)

I am sure his friends have many qualities, but in his lengthy description none of them related to critical thinking.

Naturally only we Whiteys are capable of critical thinking, those little brown people are just incapable of it huh?

No Thai people like anyone are perfectly capable of critical thinking if they get the adequate education.

Some international schools excepted it is just not on the program

Ask any Thai school instead of shooting the messenger

Wait, you can't ! You're not here !

I am here.

[Kitsune]

No Thai people like anyone are perfectly capable of critical thinking if they get the adequate education.

Some international schools excepted it is just not on the program

Ask any Thai school instead of shooting the messenger

Wait, you can't ! You're not here !

I am here.

Excellent so you know what's your program today : You go around schools in your neighborhood (loads of calories to be burnt with this heat ) and ask them

Edited June 10, 2013 by Kitsune

[StreetCowboy]

No Thai people like anyone are perfectly capable of critical thinking if they get the adequate education.

Some international schools excepted it is just not on the program

Ask any Thai school instead of shooting the messenger

Wait, you can't ! You're not here !

I am here.

Excellent so you know what's your program today : You go around schools in your neighborhood (loads of calories to be burnt with this heat ) and ask them

You're still working under the assumptions that Thais lack critical thinking, and that we agree on that.

You are wrong on the second assumption, and you have not made a case to support the first one.

SC

[Kitsune]

No Thai people like anyone are perfectly capable of critical thinking if they get the adequate education.

Some international schools excepted it is just not on the program

Ask any Thai school instead of shooting the messenger

Wait, you can't ! You're not here !

I am here.

Excellent so you know what's your program today : You go around schools in your neighborhood (loads of calories to be burnt with this heat ) and ask them

You're still working under the assumptions that Thais lack critical thinking, and that we agree on that.

You are wrong on the second assumption, and you have not made a case to support the first one.

SC

Sorry you lost me ...............What's the second assumption ?

It is not something you inherit at birth or from critical gene or DNA.

If your environment is doing everything to prevent you from be opinionated, you simply won't get it

[StreetCowboy]

 

No Thai people like anyone are perfectly capable of critical thinking if they get the adequate education.

Some international schools excepted it is just not on the program

Ask any Thai school instead of shooting the messenger

Wait, you can't ! You're not here !

I am here.

Excellent so you know what's your program today : You go around schools in your neighborhood (loads of calories to be burnt with this heat ) and ask them

You're still working under the assumptions that Thais lack critical thinking, and that we agree on that.

You are wrong on the second assumption, and you have not made a case to support the first one.

SC

Sorry you lost me ...............What's the second assumption ?

It is not something you inherit at birth or from critical gene or DNA.

If your environment is doing everything to prevent you from be opinionated, you simply won't get it

 

You make two assumptions:

1. That Thais lack critical thinking

2. That the rest of us also hold that same assumption.

The second assumption I know to be false. The first, I remain to be convinced. However, theBlether put forward the point that in his circle of friends, Thai people had demonstrated a level of success in business that required critical thinking, and had demonstrated entertaining intelligent dinner-table conversation. His point was based on recent experience. Yours appears to be based on repeating tired cliches and stereotypes.

But you seem to be relaxing your stance somewhat. Now you are saying that only poorly-educated Thais lack critical thinking. Presumably, like poorly-educated French, English and Scottish people.

SC

[Jingthing]

Obviously in a large population there is going to be diversity and there are going to be OUTLIERS. The fact that "TB" has some conversationally adept dinner mates is just anecdotal. Nobody is suggesting any people isn't capable of any thing any other people is capable of. That would be racist to assert that. The question I see here is one of CULTURE. Cultures DO vary. Different cultures value different things. I grew up in a culture that perhaps irrationally highly valued novelists. Thailand is not such a culture. It's not racist at all to make that observation about Thailand.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Jingthing

[nontabury]

Well, I'm sure you know theBlether's dinner companions better than he does, from your deep insight into Thai culture and their personalities.

Whenever I was away on business with a Thai colleague, I never found the conversation dull, but that is probably because I fitted in well, lacking in sophistication and interest in world affairs. I don't think I once considered turning the course of conversation to philosophy or high art.

SC

May I point out that it was a question ? (does money gives you critical thinking)

I am sure his friends have many qualities, but in his lengthy description none of them related to critical thinking.

Naturally only we Whiteys are capable of critical thinking, those little brown people are just incapable of it huh?

That's it, you've lost the argument, so now you bring in outright insults,trying to bring in the racialist card,what's your real name,Gordon Brown.

Many of us whiteys,as you describe us are married to Thai's and have children with them, but of course you have superior knowledge being that you are a TWT.

[theblether]

Obviously in large population there is going to be diversity and there is going to be OUTLIERS. The fact that "TB" has some conversationally adept dinner mates is just anecdotal. Nobody is suggesting any people isn't capable of any thing any other people is capable of. That would be racist to assert that. The question I see here is one of CULTURE. Cultures DO vary. Different cultures value different things. I grew up in a culture that perhaps irrationally highly valued novelists. Thailand is not such a culture. It's not racist at all to make that observation about Thailand.

I doubt I have met the only 5 urbane Thais in Thailand.

In every society there is a cohort of dense, ignorant, disinterested people. That applies to every country I've ever visited. Oh and that includes Scotland.

[Jingthing]

Obviously in large population there is going to be diversity and there is going to be OUTLIERS. The fact that "TB" has some conversationally adept dinner mates is just anecdotal. Nobody is suggesting any people isn't capable of any thing any other people is capable of. That would be racist to assert that. The question I see here is one of CULTURE. Cultures DO vary. Different cultures value different things. I grew up in a culture that perhaps irrationally highly valued novelists. Thailand is not such a culture. It's not racist at all to make that observation about Thailand.

I doubt I have met the only 5 urbane Thais in Thailand.

In every society there is a cohort of dense, ignorant, disinterested people. That applies to every country I've ever visited. Oh and that includes Scotland.

That's an extreme twist of what I said. Nobody said you met the only five. I am saying those you met are most likely NOT typical. Nobody is denying there isn't a population of urbane Thais. I think the bigger question is what the general culture is like.

[Kitsune]

 

 

You make two assumptions:

1. That Thais lack critical thinking

2. That the rest of us also hold that same assumption.

The second assumption I know to be false. The first, I remain to be convinced. However, theBlether put forward the point that in his circle of friends, Thai people had demonstrated a level of success in business that required critical thinking, and had demonstrated entertaining intelligent dinner-table conversation. His point was based on recent experience. Yours appears to be based on repeating tired cliches and stereotypes.

But you seem to be relaxing your stance somewhat. Now you are saying that only poorly-educated Thais lack critical thinking. Presumably, like poorly-educated French, English and Scottish people.

SC

Making money is now a proof of critical thinking ?

How do you know these people did not attend international schools?

Yes like poor educated in ANY country, the problem here being that poor education is the norm (101th place for the 1st Thai university in world's rating)and no I don't base my opinion on cliches but on observations and facts which none of you have given here

[theblether]

Well, I'm sure you know theBlether's dinner companions better than he does, from your deep insight into Thai culture and their personalities.

Whenever I was away on business with a Thai colleague, I never found the conversation dull, but that is probably because I fitted in well, lacking in sophistication and interest in world affairs. I don't think I once considered turning the course of conversation to philosophy or high art.

SC

May I point out that it was a question ? (does money gives you critical thinking)

I am sure his friends have many qualities, but in his lengthy description none of them related to critical thinking.

Naturally only we Whiteys are capable of critical thinking, those little brown people are just incapable of it huh?

That's it, you've lost the argument, so now you bring in outright insults,trying to bring in the racialist card,what's your real name,Gordon Brown.

Many of us whiteys,as you describe us are married to Thai's and have children with them, but of course you have superior knowledge being that you are a TWT.

Absolutely not Nontabury, Kitsune is being particularly racist and condescending to the entire Thai nation.

She has decided that they are all incapable of critical thought.......I think she's wrong.

Do you say she's right?

[theblether]

 

 

You make two assumptions:

1. That Thais lack critical thinking

2. That the rest of us also hold that same assumption.

The second assumption I know to be false. The first, I remain to be convinced. However, theBlether put forward the point that in his circle of friends, Thai people had demonstrated a level of success in business that required critical thinking, and had demonstrated entertaining intelligent dinner-table conversation. His point was based on recent experience. Yours appears to be based on repeating tired cliches and stereotypes.

But you seem to be relaxing your stance somewhat. Now you are saying that only poorly-educated Thais lack critical thinking. Presumably, like poorly-educated French, English and Scottish people.

SC

Making money is now a proof of critical thinking ?

How do you know these people did not attend international schools?

Yes like poor educated in ANY country, the problem here being that poor education is the norm (101th place for the 1st Thai university in world's rating)and no I don't base my opinion on cliches but on observations and facts which none of you have given here

University performance is very often linked to a reputation built over time, and funding. There is no doubt that the Thai University system is struggling to catch up with the highly funded and long established Western Universities. Obviously with your highly attuned critical thought process you had thought of that already.

[theblether]

Obviously in large population there is going to be diversity and there is going to be OUTLIERS. The fact that "TB" has some conversationally adept dinner mates is just anecdotal. Nobody is suggesting any people isn't capable of any thing any other people is capable of. That would be racist to assert that. The question I see here is one of CULTURE. Cultures DO vary. Different cultures value different things. I grew up in a culture that perhaps irrationally highly valued novelists. Thailand is not such a culture. It's not racist at all to make that observation about Thailand.

I doubt I have met the only 5 urbane Thais in Thailand.

In every society there is a cohort of dense, ignorant, disinterested people. That applies to every country I've ever visited. Oh and that includes Scotland.

That's an extreme twist of what I said. Nobody said you met the only five. I am saying those you met are most likely NOT typical. Nobody is denying there isn't a population of urbane Thais. I think the bigger question is what the general culture is like.

No it's not an extreme twist........we're in a debate here where some people believe that Thais are incapable of critical thought. It's a pathetic contention.

[Kitsune]

Well that is my honest opinion, but I would love to be proven wrong and meet the cream of cream Thai dinner companions so we can debate Obama's position regarding Syria while sipping on Grappa.

[Kitsune]

 

 

You make two assumptions:

1. That Thais lack critical thinking

2. That the rest of us also hold that same assumption.

The second assumption I know to be false. The first, I remain to be convinced. However, theBlether put forward the point that in his circle of friends, Thai people had demonstrated a level of success in business that required critical thinking, and had demonstrated entertaining intelligent dinner-table conversation. His point was based on recent experience. Yours appears to be based on repeating tired cliches and stereotypes.

But you seem to be relaxing your stance somewhat. Now you are saying that only poorly-educated Thais lack critical thinking. Presumably, like poorly-educated French, English and Scottish people.

SC

Making money is now a proof of critical thinking ?

How do you know these people did not attend international schools?

Yes like poor educated in ANY country, the problem here being that poor education is the norm (101th place for the 1st Thai university in world's rating)and no I don't base my opinion on cliches but on observations and facts which none of you have given here

University performance is very often linked to a reputation built over time, and funding. There is no doubt that the Thai University system is struggling to catch up with the highly funded and long established Western Universities. Obviously with your highly attuned critical thought process you had thought of that already.

My god I can't believe what I am reading

University performance is based on how the students are doing at exams, and that comes from what the teacher teaches them.

If you have never set foot in a Thai school or uni instead of saying rubbish read this excellent post about thai schools here

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/644276-an-education-in-fear/

Edited June 10, 2013 by Kitsune

[theblether]

Laughable.

The Western Universities benefit from reputations built over decades, centuries in some cases. Many are in partnership with big businesses that provide the funding for research and development, as well as substantive government funding for the same reasons.

Well funded universities attract the cream of the lecturing crop, the brightest professors, and they attract a constant competitive stream of the brightest pupils. This is a situation where success begets success.

There is no doubt that money is a critical factor in determining a Universities ability to attract the cream to their faculties, as well as there is no doubt that reputation is a critical factor too.

Edited June 10, 2013 by theblether

[Jingthing]

No it's not an extreme twist........we're in a debate here where some people believe that Thais are incapable of critical thought. It's a pathetic contention.

No we're not. You're trying to make this into that kind of debate. You're trying to accuse people who want to make observations about the differences in CULTURES of being racists. That's an extreme twist, on STEROIDS.

[Kitsune]

Laughable.

The Western Universities benefit from reputations built over decades, centuries in some cases. Many are in partnership with big businesses that provide the funding for research and development, as well as substantive government funding for the same reasons.

Well funded universities attract the cream of the lecturing crop, the brightest professors, and they attract a constant competitive stream of the brightest pupils. This is a situation where success begets success.

There is no doubt that money is a critical factor in determining a Universities ability to attract the cream to their faculties, as well as there is no doubt that reputation is a critical factor too.

Edinburgh Uni is 21st but I doubt you went there somehow ...

Many example prove you wrong, you just make assumption...

Fortunately money is not the only factor in education :Take Korea for example, not that much funding but doing very well in education right now

Can you talk about something else than money ?

Edited June 10, 2013 by Kitsune

[theblether]

Laughable.

The Western Universities benefit from reputations built over decades, centuries in some cases. Many are in partnership with big businesses that provide the funding for research and development, as well as substantive government funding for the same reasons.

Well funded universities attract the cream of the lecturing crop, the brightest professors, and they attract a constant competitive stream of the brightest pupils. This is a situation where success begets success.

There is no doubt that money is a critical factor in determining a Universities ability to attract the cream to their faculties, as well as there is no doubt that reputation is a critical factor too.

Edinburgh Uni is 21st but I doubt you went there somehow ...

No I didn't, my nephew is going there after the Summer and I believe Smokie36 was educated there. My two sisters are degree educated, I am not.......does that make me a failure?

[Jingthing]

...

I am not.......does that make me a failure?

My Mother would say so!

Edited June 10, 2013 by Jingthing

[StreetCowboy]

 

Laughable.

The Western Universities benefit from reputations built over decades, centuries in some cases. Many are in partnership with big businesses that provide the funding for research and development, as well as substantive government funding for the same reasons.

Well funded universities attract the cream of the lecturing crop, the brightest professors, and they attract a constant competitive stream of the brightest pupils. This is a situation where success begets success.

There is no doubt that money is a critical factor in determining a Universities ability to attract the cream to their faculties, as well as there is no doubt that reputation is a critical factor too.

Edinburgh Uni is 21st but I doubt you went there somehow ...

No I didn't, my nephew is going there after the Summer and I believe Smokie36 was educated there. My two sisters are degree educated, I am not.......does that make me a failure?

 

I think you can only develop critical thinking by going to a good school and talking about American politics. Success in your chosen field is no good.

SC

[theblether]

No it's not an extreme twist........we're in a debate here where some people believe that Thais are incapable of critical thought. It's a pathetic contention.

No we're not. You're trying to make this into that kind of debate. You're trying to accuse people who want to make observations about the differences in CULTURES of being racists. That's an extreme twist, on STEROIDS.

Not it's not......I know Thais who are very capable of critical thought, I'll defend them till my hearts content.

There are people here saying that all Thais are incapable of critical thought, I say that's a falsehood and racist.

[theblether]

...

I am not.......does that make me a failure?

My Mother would say so!

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You nearly got me there JT,

Edited June 10, 2013 by theblether

[Jingthing]

...

There are people here saying that all Thais are incapable of critical thought, I say that's a falsehood and racist.

Oy vey! IF anyone actually said that in those words, I would agree with you. That would be racist. I still think you are playing a twisty turny game and the gist of thread is NOT racist.

Edited June 10, 2013 by Jingthing

[theblether]

There are people here saying that all Thais are incapable of critical thought, I say that's a falsehood and racist.

Oy vey! IF anyone actually said that in those words, I would agree with you. That would be racist. I still think you are playing a twisty turny game and the gist of thread is NOT racist.

That's a matter of opinion......I don't value yours.

[Jingthing]

That's a matter of opinion......I don't value yours.

News flash!

[Kitsune]

No it's not an extreme twist........we're in a debate here where some people believe that Thais are incapable of critical thought. It's a pathetic contention.

No we're not. You're trying to make this into that kind of debate. You're trying to accuse people who want to make observations about the differences in CULTURES of being racists. That's an extreme twist, on STEROIDS.

Not it's not......I know Thais who are very capable of critical thought, I'll defend them till my hearts content.

There are people here saying that all Thais are incapable of critical thought, I say that's a falsehood and racist.

The inability is not related to their nationality or race

It's due to the environment

therefore it is not a racist statement

[Kitsune]

That's a matter of opinion......I don't value yours.

News flash!

[theblether]

You're easily amused Kitsune.