Whats this DTAC Trinet all about?

skippybangkok · August 10, 2013

what is dtac 2100mhz code then ?

850 has same through put as 2100. No difference.

Main difference is 2100 travels less requiring 3x more cell sites compared to 850. 2100 has worse in building penetration.

mataleo · August 11, 2013

what is dtac 2100mhz code then ?

850 has same through put as 2100. No difference.

Main difference is 2100 travels less requiring 3x more cell sites compared to 850. 2100 has worse in building penetration.

I think its faster, In last 3 months I tested, DTAC, TOT3G, now on TRUEMOVE H,

DTAC was good, around 6Mbps on speednet tests, TOT3G even faster, but bad coverage, no 2G

TRUE H, is slowest like 3Mbps to bkk servers, and Vietnaine 0.3Mbps

today I tested on my gf iphone, shes on 12call AIS, and picks 5003 network code 2100mhz AIS, its like over 17Mbps

I live in Pattaya so all tests here.

Its looks like only AIS got 2100 here, it works even outside pattaya, by Mimosa, 7km out.

I was told by true c. services they use 2100mhz in pattaya, but they dont, thier 2100 network code is 5004, which not shows in Pattaya at all.

So I thing I might switch to AIS for good

http://www.ais.co.th/3g-one-2-call/th/sim-detail.aspx?id=26

Pib · August 11, 2013

If the 2100Mhz frequency band is faster, says faster than the 850/900Mhz bands, it won't be because of the frequency; it will be because of other factors like maybe more available bandwidth, transmission protocol differnces, fewer people on the 2100Mhz frequency initially, etc. But one thing for sure 2100Mhz has less range and material/building penetration capability since it's a higher carrier frequency....higher the frequency, less the range and penetration capability for the same power output.

Pib · August 11, 2013

Go to this Vodafone, NZ webpage to see how they describe the difference between their 900 and 2100Mhz 3G services....and its partially quoted below my paragraph below.

I think when it comes down to speed, any speed increase you may see by switching from 850/900Mhz to 2100Mhz will most likely be due to more bandwidth/less folks connecting to the same 3G tower you happen to be connected to. I have no doubt that when a 2100Mhz tower gets oversubscribed in your area it will be as slow as an oversubscribed 850/900Mhz tower in your area. And don't be surprised when leaving your area which has 2100Mhz coverage (probably a high population area/city/town) and you get out into the rural area where you connect to 850/900Mhz tower that your speed may go up because that 850/900Mhz tower may be less oversubscribed than the 2100Mhz tower you were just hooked up to. The 3G carrier frequency really don't matter speed-wise...its available bandwidth and signal strength. And although I imply there are separate towers for the different 3G frequencies, I expect in most cases DTAC/AIS/True will just be adding 2100Mhz 3G radios to towers which already have 850/900Mhz 3G radios hanging on them. A lot of this 2100Mhz 3G hype is to get more people to signup for 3G for the first time or signup for more 3G package usage....but hopefully the addition of 2100Mhz frequency to the other 3G frequencies will add bandwidth thereby increasing the 3G speed for everyone, whether you remain only on 850/900MHz or switch to a plan that also provides 2100Mhz. Supposedly on/about 18 Aug which is the start of my next monthly billing cycle I'm supposed to be switched to TriNet according to the DTAC SMS I got two days ago; then I will be able to tell what improvements (if any) I see. Time will tell.

What is 3G Broadband Extended? What is 3G Broadband Extended?
The Vodafone 3G network operates on 2 different frequencies (2100MHz and 900Mhz).
Both of these frequencies offer the same rich, fast, 3G experience.

3G Broadband operates at 2100MHz

3G Broadband Extended operates at 900MHz

Note: The Vodafone 4G network operates on the 1800MHz frequency and uses Band 3
Why?
900MHz is better suited to rural areas where there can be a larger distance between cell sites.
2100MHz is ideal in urban areas where there is typically shorter distances between cell sites. It allows more people to operate on the same cell site, and can manage the high traffic.

Both 900MHz and 2100 MHz offer the same experience. They have the same speed and performance.

mataleo · August 11, 2013

Thanks

Wysłane z mojego GT-I9505 za pomocą Tapatalk 4

JakeBKK · August 11, 2013

As a hint: if you want to know a little bit more about cellphone networks, what frequency your handset is on, location of cell sites and so on...

The list is for android.

Wiggle War driving - This nice software logs every cellphone tower and wifi hotspot it encounters

G-Mon - Cell phone analysis and tracking (cell sites / neighbour cell etc.)

RF Signal tracker (detailed analysis of 3G / 4G connections)

Fing (reverse tracking and logging of cell towers and networks)

this stuff is running on IOS as well , you probably have to jailbreak to get it running. On android i don't know. To me it is simple: it is my hardware, so i deserve root.

and by the way it is a pity: my smartphone has nearly as much power as my notebook. Would you let someone lock your notebook down, only to use win 8 ? ups, uefi

Anyhow, to me it is very nice to have a shell on the handset.

A couple of tools make fun. And you have got a bit more info than a 3G, H, H+ or GPRS or even EDGE symbol. enjoy.

Pib · August 13, 2013

My apologizes if this 7 Aug 13 DTAC press release on the progress of converting folks to TriNet has already been posted...I didn't see it in this thread...maybe I missed it. Below is a quote of the press release and the source Link. The wife and I are suppose to be ported over o/a 18 Aug when our next monthly billing cycle begins for our post-paid plan according to SMS's we got from DTAC several days ago....we had registered earlier for TriNet and live in western Bangkok.

7 August 2013

dtac TriNet aims to achieve porting of 1 million customers to TriNet as per customers' request within August

dtac TriNet revealed that it has successfully ported 100,000 customers as per their request to TriNet and aims to achieve 1 million customers within August and 3.5 millions within October. Customers, who are using special mobile services, such as international roaming, Multi SIM, Group Bill (Family), air card and tablet SIM card, can pick up their new TriNet SIM card at any dtac service hall nationwide from August 8 onwards.

Mr. Chaiyod Chirabowornkul, Chief Customer Officer, Total Access Communication Plc. (dtac) and Director of dtac TriNet Co., Ltd., said that over 3.5 million customers have registered for TriNet since July 23.

“dtac TriNet has started the porting for regular customers upon demand since July 23, and 100,000 customers are already using TriNet. According to the manual of the Clearing House Co.Ltd. regarding mobile number portability (MNP), dtac can port only 50,000 – 60,000 customers per day upon customers' request. dtac is pushing to complete the porting as many as possible and as fast as possible in order to satisfy customers. It has set a target to satisfy porting request of 1 million customers within August and 3.5 millions within October due to a large amount of registrations.”

dtac TriNet has clarified that the porting has started with pre-registered customers who are within the coverage of 2100 MHz network and have TriNet-supported mobile devices. Eligible customers will be notified of the porting schedule. In most cases, customers will not have to change a SIM cards, except for 700,000 – 800,000 customers who have to change their SIM cards because they are using special services.

Mr. Chaiyod added, “Customers who are using special mobile services will receive an SMS from dtac with a porting schedule. They can visit any dtac service center nationwide to transfer the data and pick up their new SIM card from August 8”.

dtac and dtac TriNet currently have around 8,000 3G cell sites in total and are continually installing more cell sites with a target to reach 10,000 cell sites across the country within October.

shariq607 · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

JakeBKK · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

Plainly said this is: caches and transparent proxy's kicking in. This is a common practice among ISP's , 99% of them do this. Your nice App shows you only the speed within the DTAC network.Do you get to choose the server before you start? Probably not. Don't use an app, Google,youtube or wherever you want to go, are probably not inside the kingdom. You will have tri-top speeds inside your own network and when you try to watch hulu the video flickers and stops.

Edited August 14, 2013 by JakeBKK

shariq607 · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

Plainly said this is: caches and transparent proxy's kicking in. This is a common practice among ISP's , 99% of them do this. Your nice App shows you only the speed within the DTAC network.Do you get to choose the server before you start? Probably not. Don't use an app, Google,youtube or wherever you want to go, are probably not inside the kingdom. You will have tri-top speeds inside your own network and when you try to watch hulu the video flickers and stops.

well i am sure by now we all know that Thai isps only claims their speeds locally and this is also true for all other isps in the world so please we are talking about 3g internet and not home based internet so there is no point in complaining about 3g plan international speed and just for some info youtube also has servers in singapore and hong kong so youtube is generally lag free and we are talking about 3g plans. i am sure even back in the states if one were to watch local Thai stream it would stop and flicker too.

Pib · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

Plainly said this is: caches and transparent proxy's kicking in. This is a common practice among ISP's , 99% of them do this. Your nice App shows you only the speed within the DTAC network.Do you get to choose the server before you start? Probably not. Don't use an app, Google,youtube or wherever you want to go, are probably not inside the kingdom. You will have tri-top speeds inside your own network and when you try to watch hulu the video flickers and stops.

I think doing the speedtest to determine the "local" speed, repeat local speed between your device to the 3G tower to the local server is fine in determining your what "local/in-Thailand/basic connection speed" you are getting.

You don't care if its cached or not for a "local" test as you are only testing your local/basic speed. Now, when you start connecting to websites/servers outside your local area, like outside Thailand/internationally, sure Flash-based speed testers like Speedtest.net can give bogus download speeds and ping times because the testing files/ping test really ended-up being sourced from a local cache server (not that far off server you think you are testing to)---this is a typical problem for many Flash/OOKLA based testers like Speedtest.net; but usually a Java-based tester won't be fooled by cache servers like many Flash-based testers can be.

But I'll say it again, to test you local speed to your nearby 3G tower using Flash-based testers is fine because you are still accomplishing a file download/upload at least to that cache server/3G tower to test your basic connection speed. And yeap, when you get into international speeding testing (or downloading video from sites outside Thailand) with either Flash-based (assuming it "not" fooled" or Java-based testers the speed result is going to drop off simply because all/most Thai ISPs throttle the speed through their international gateways...they just don't buy enough international bandwidth...plenty of bandwidth to be had but they only buying so much since bandwidth on those undersea/overland fiber optical lines since bandwidth does cost money and they are probably only buying enough to keep the basic user happy which is a Thai user which generally uses international web sites much less than farangs....I would be suspicious of most any international speed test result of much about 5Mb.

Since the wife and I are suppose to be switched onto TriNet o/a 18 Aug which is the start of our billing cycle over the coming days I'm going to do more Speedtest.net tests as I still have plenty of my monthly 3G allotment to waste so I can have a little more recent comparison data when I switched to Trinet and also have 2100Mhz capability....I am picking up a DTAC 2100MHz tower/radio in my local area in addition to the DTAC 850Mhz tower/radio. And I'm even going to mark down where I did the test "in my home"....that is, downstairs or upstairs because I usually get a significantly faster speed result when testing upstairs where I get a little stronger signal....less concrete for the signal to fight through. Like just now I did Speedtest.net test to the STS Group server in Bangkok. Downstairs I got 11.62Mb down/2.01Mb up and upstairs a minute later I got 14.55Mb down/2.50Mb down. Signal strength can make a big difference in your speedtest results, just as time of day/night can because of how many users are using the network/your local 3G tower...the more water hoses you hookup to the same tap is just going to result in less water coming out each of the attached hoses. I'm hoping DTAC 2100Mhz will basically be providing a new source of local bandwidth which will allow it to handle more water hoses and pump more water through each of those hoses.

Pib · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

So, apparently that 2nd SMS did not need you to do anything to finalize the setup of your smartphone/tablet to automatically start using TriNet/2100Mhz.

For some reason, the 1st SMS I got implied to me the 2nd SMS might require you to do some type of minor setup change on your phone after they did the switch...like maybe dial some special number to get a setup SMS, etc., once you got the 2nd SMS. Like my 2nd SMS said: "dtacTrinet is now ready to server you. You will be transferred according to your billing cycle with Aug. Please wait for anther SMS for more info."

But it sounds like the 2nd SMS is just going to say you have been upgraded successfully....nothing else for you to do...it's all been handled for you....have a nice DTAC day. I like it. Yeap, I would prefer a 2nd SMS like that versus having to do another additional step no matter how simple that additional step "supposedly" is.

A curiosity question for you: did the switch occur "exactly" on the very start of your new month? Like say you billing month run 12 thru 11 and they switched you/you got that 2nd SMS on the 12th?

shariq607 · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

So, apparently that 2nd SMS did not need you to do anything to finalize the setup of your smartphone/tablet to automatically start using TriNet/2100Mhz.

For some reason, the 1st SMS I got implied to me the 2nd SMS might require you to do some type of minor setup change on your phone after they did the switch...like maybe dial some special number to get a setup SMS, etc., once you got the 2nd SMS. Like my 2nd SMS said: "dtacTrinet is now ready to server you. You will be transferred according to your billing cycle with Aug. Please wait for anther SMS for more info."

But it sounds like the 2nd SMS is just going to say you have been upgraded successfully....nothing else for you to do...it's all been handled for you....have a nice DTAC day. I like it. Yeap, I would prefer a 2nd SMS like that versus having to do another additional step no matter how simple that additional step "supposedly" is.

A curiosity question for you: did the switch occur "exactly" on the very start of your new month? Like say you billing month run 12 thru 11 and they switched you/you got that 2nd SMS on the 12th?

Well the second SMS sended some new auto APN settings that was immediately saved automatically by my android device

shariq607 · August 14, 2013

just an update on my experience with dtac trinet,

few days back i got a message from Dtac trinet saying that i will be upgraded to the new trinet service within august this month according to my billing cycle, so today i got a message saying i have been upgraded successfully

so here is a verdict:

before i always use to get an average of 1.8 mb to 2.5 from the official speedtest.net server hosted by sts group here in downtown Bangkok but doing tests this morning with updated apn settings i am getting speeds in excess of 15 mb which is a considerable improvement compared to my previous dtac speed tests however, when i press begin test now on my speedtest.net app using dtac trinet the initial speed begins at 2 mb but in the middle of the process it gets a boost more like a turbo boost which results in a higher result at the end of the speedtest in excess of 15 mb which i dont know if its a reliable speed test result considering the fact that initial speed test starts at 2 mb but when its about to end it gets a boost to 15 mb plus can anyone explain to me whats going on?

So, apparently that 2nd SMS did not need you to do anything to finalize the setup of your smartphone/tablet to automatically start using TriNet/2100Mhz.

For some reason, the 1st SMS I got implied to me the 2nd SMS might require you to do some type of minor setup change on your phone after they did the switch...like maybe dial some special number to get a setup SMS, etc., once you got the 2nd SMS. Like my 2nd SMS said: "dtacTrinet is now ready to server you. You will be transferred according to your billing cycle with Aug. Please wait for anther SMS for more info."

But it sounds like the 2nd SMS is just going to say you have been upgraded successfully....nothing else for you to do...it's all been handled for you....have a nice DTAC day. I like it. Yeap, I would prefer a 2nd SMS like that versus having to do another additional step no matter how simple that additional step "supposedly" is.

A curiosity question for you: did the switch occur "exactly" on the very start of your new month? Like say you billing month run 12 thru 11 and they switched you/you got that 2nd SMS on the 12th?

Forgot to mention one more thing, before my trinet upgrade when I did a manual search of local carriers I always found DTac and 520005( which is dtac's new 2100mhz)signals along with other carrier such as true and ais but the strange thing is both of dtacs signals are not showing under my manual network search since I was upgraded to trinet. Any idea what's going on?

Also today morning I called the call center and the agent told me to switch roaming on permanently don't know what for

Pib · August 14, 2013

Probably wants the roaming on to ensure it switches between 850 & 2100 smoothly.

I think the 52005 indicates the 2100 tower/radio is still in testing mode...not available for customer use yet...but once going fully operational/available to customers it's renamed Dtac Trinet....my home area use to show 52005 then changed to Dtac Trinet.

Sent from my Samsung S4 (GT-I9500)

Edited August 14, 2013 by Pib

mataleo · August 14, 2013

post some speedtests from trinet

http://www.speedtest.net/mobile/

Pib · August 15, 2013

OK, at 10:32am I got an SMS from DTAC that says: "After midnight tonight your number will be transferred to dtac TriNet. Please keep your phone turned on."

A 9 Aug DTAC SMS basically just said I would be switched according to my billing cycle in Aug. Funny, as of this post, the wife has not got above DTAC SMS yet for her DTAC number although we both got the 9 Aug SMS within seconds of each other, are on the same plan, registered within minutes of each other, etc. Hopefully she will get the SMS I got sometime today or at least before her billing cycle begins on 18 Aug...with thousands of numbers being switched daily it's understandable her SMS could come at a different time as I expect humans are setting in front of computer screens setting up the switching and when each setup is set to go a SMS is sent.

So, I guess come the first few seconds of tomorrow 16 Aug I will be on TriNet and also have access to their 2100Mhz 3G frequency band in addition to their current 850Mhz 3G frequency band...and of course their 1800Mhz frequency band. The start of my post-paid plan billing month does not start until the 18th so they are switching me a few days before.

Maybe tomorrow I will get that DTAC SMS saying I have been successfully switched. A few more times today I will runs Speedtest.net to log some more speed results while still only on the 850Mhz 3G frequency band. That way I'll have some hard numbers to compared versus just relying on my memory and saying "before" I got speeds in the ballpark of XXXX to XXXXX.

But I will have to say over the last couple of weeks my speeds at home have got generally faster (that about the only place I've really done any significant Speedtest.net testing)....like 20.01Mb and 16.43Mb download speeds on 9 Aug...and 14.55Mb on 14 Aug...before I think the fastest I had ever got at home was a hair over 9Mb. Maybe the increased speeds is because people are continuing to be offloaded from the DTAC 850Mhz to the DTAC 2100Mhz which is freeing up more bandwidth on the 850Mhz....or said another way, the 2100Mhz is opening up another source of bandwidth.

Above just FYI/crossfeed for other DTAC customers wondering how/when they will be switched....assuming they have registered to switch.

mataleo · August 15, 2013

OK, at 10:32am I got an SMS from DTAC that says: "After midnight tonight your number will be transferred to dtac TriNet. Please keep your phone turned on."

A 9 Aug DTAC SMS basically just said I would be switched according to my billing cycle in Aug. Funny, as of this post, the wife has not got above DTAC SMS yet for her DTAC number although we both got the 9 Aug SMS within seconds of each other, are on the same plan, registered within minutes of each other, etc. Hopefully she will get the SMS I got sometime today or at least before her billing cycle begins on 18 Aug...with thousands of numbers being switched daily it's understandable her SMS could come at a different time as I expect humans are setting in front of computer screens setting up the switching and when each setup is set to go a SMS is sent.

So, I guess come the first few seconds of tomorrow 16 Aug I will be on TriNet and also have access to their 2100Mhz 3G frequency band in addition to their current 850Mhz 3G frequency band...and of course their 1800Mhz frequency band. The start of my post-paid plan billing month does not start until the 18th so they are switching me a few days before.

Maybe tomorrow I will get that DTAC SMS saying I have been successfully switched. A few more times today I will runs Speedtest.net to log some more speed results while still only on the 850Mhz 3G frequency band. That way I'll have some hard numbers to compared versus just relying on my memory and saying "before" I got speeds in the ballpark of XXXX to XXXXX.

But I will have to say over the last couple of weeks my speeds at home have got generally faster (that about the only place I've really done any significant Speedtest.net testing)....like 20.01Mb and 16.43Mb download speeds on 9 Aug...and 14.55Mb on 14 Aug...before I think the fastest I had ever got at home was a hair over 9Mb. Maybe the increased speeds is because people are continuing to be offloaded from the DTAC 850Mhz to the DTAC 2100Mhz which is freeing up more bandwidth on the 850Mhz....or said another way, the 2100Mhz is opening up another source of bandwidth.

Above just FYI/crossfeed for other DTAC customers wondering how/when they will be switched....assuming they have registered to switch.

make sure u post speedtests here from 850 and 2100

Pib · August 15, 2013

Heck my DTAC 850MHz has been so speedly over the last few weeks maybe I shouldn't take a chance in switching to TriNet 2100MHz. Here in the Bang Yai, Nonthaburi Lotus (western Bangkok metropolitan area) I'm getting 24Mb speeds like below at lunch time and I ran the test again about 5 minutes later and got over 23Mb.

Sent from my Samsung S4 (GT-I9500)

mataleo · August 15, 2013

Heck my DTAC 850MHz has been so speedly over the last few weeks maybe I shouldn't take a chance in switching to TriNet 2100MHz. Here in the Bang Yai, Nonthaburi Lotus (western Bangkok metropolitan area) I'm getting 24Mb speeds like below at lunch time and I ran the test again about 5 minutes later and got over 23Mb.

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Sent from my Samsung S4 (GT-I9500)

u should run it on differnt servers

u migth be testing on dtac local server thats why

u in bkk and server in bkk

test on some abroad ones

like Vietnaine

change it in settings

Pib · August 15, 2013

Heck my DTAC 850MHz has been so speedly over the last few weeks maybe I shouldn't take a chance in switching to TriNet 2100MHz. Here in the Bang Yai, Nonthaburi Lotus (western Bangkok metropolitan area) I'm getting 24Mb speeds like below at lunch time and I ran the test again about 5 minutes later and got over 23Mb.

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Sent from my Samsung S4 (GT-I9500)

u should run it on differnt servers

u migth be testing on dtac local server thats why

u in bkk and server in bkk

test on some abroad ones

like Vietnaine

change it in settings

No, as mentioned in other posts I'm not using the DTAC server; I always use the STS Group server which seems to provide the best speed compared to other Bangkok based speedtest.net servers whether I'm testing my 3G connection or home internet connection. I'm really only concerned with my "local" 3G speed to get the best speed reading to the local 3G tower/radio I'm hooked to.

When you get into testing to servers outside of Thailand, like testing to Vietnaine, you are then going internationally and run into the situation of ISP's throttling their "international" bandwidth which is common for all/most Thai ISPs. To check your "local" speed...your basic connection...the connection to your local 3G tower/radio so to speak use a server as close as possible to you. 3G or home ISP carriers are not selling you/advertising to you their "international" speed; instead it's their local speed. But when it does come to international speed tests, whether home internet or 3G, anything much above 5Mb for most international locations (except maybe a few regional sites like to Singapore) should be considered suspect (like a fooled flash-based speed tester like Speedtest.net giving a false reading due to local cache servers) based on my own testing over the years and the many other posts on ThaiVisa. But for local speed testing to check your basic connection to nearby/in-Thailand servers Speedtest.net is fine.

Is the international speed important, durn right it's important for a farang....maybe less for most Thai's. And now that ThaiVisa is based in the U.S. (California) international speed becomes more important for ThaiVisa junkies.

Pib · August 15, 2013

OK, at 10:32am I got an SMS from DTAC that says: "After midnight tonight your number will be transferred to dtac TriNet. Please keep your phone turned on."

A 9 Aug DTAC SMS basically just said I would be switched according to my billing cycle in Aug.

Update: at 4:30pm got another DTAC SMS which said: "dtac Trinet transfer process: 1) Keep your phone turned on, 2) Wait for SMS confirmation, 3) Wait for network signal to disappear, 4) Restart your phone."

Above just FYI/crossfeed for other DTAC customers wondering how/when they will be switched....assuming they have registered to switch.

mataleo · August 15, 2013

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Pib · August 16, 2013

OK, at 10:32am I got an SMS from DTAC that says: "After midnight tonight your number will be transferred to dtac TriNet. Please keep your phone turned on."

A 9 Aug DTAC SMS basically just said I would be switched according to my billing cycle in Aug.

Update: at 4:30pm got another DTAC SMS which said: "dtac Trinet transfer process: 1) Keep your phone turned on, 2) Wait for SMS confirmation, 3) Wait for network signal to disappear, 4) Restart your phone."

Above just FYI/crossfeed for other DTAC customers wondering how/when they will be switched....assuming they have registered to switch.

Update: My switch to Trinet did occur early this morning. When I got up a little after 3am to take a pee I checked my phone and saw I had received two DTAC SMS's not too long after midnight when the switch to TriNet was suppose to occur....one SMS at 1:05am and one at 3:03am.

The 1:05am SMS said in Thai and English: "Network Transfer is proceeded. Wait for network signal to disappear. Then restart device."

And the 3:03am SMS in Thai and English said: "DTAC Internet+MMS settings are being sent to your phone. Please enter code 1800 to save the settings." Now, regarding this 3:03am SMS I'm not really sure if it was really received before I restarted the phone or got it immediately after. Waking up in the middle of the night and wanting to pee will affect your memory. Before restarting my device I noticed I had no mobile data connection.

Anyway, after restarting my Samsung S4 it obtained the mobile data connection, I did the 1800 thing not that I saw it really accomplished anything as I think the new settings were already saved, and I got a phone internal message (not a DTAC SMS) relating to Data Roaming and it said: You have lost data connectivity because you have left your home network with data roaming turned off." I live in western Bangkok and the only thing I had left was my bedroom when I walked into the bathroom to take a pee. Having remembered a previous poster said DTAC Customer Service had told him to turn on Data Roaming I figured it must be required to ensure a switching between 850Mhz and 2100MHz. I initially thought that switching would occur automatically on TriNet with Data Roaming turned off, but it don't....at least not all the time like in the case of a weak 2100Mhz signal and needing to switch to 850Mhz. And with Data Roaming turned on this will cause an "R" to display next to your signal bars "sometimes"...I'm thinking the R will only appear when you have switched from 2100 to 850MHz. I saw the "R" numerous times today in my travels between Bangkok and Nakhon Pathom about 35KMs due west from Bangkok....and I've even seen it here at my western Bangkok home. I think the "R" appears at my home sometimes because the 2100Mhz tower/radio in my area is giving me a weak signal like somewhere over approx. -110db in comparison to a 850Mhz signal of -70 to -80db in my home area. I'm thinking my home is on the very edge of the 2100Mhz radio coverage limit for my area...I expect the 850Mhz radio is on the same tower....but like we discussed in some of the other posts above 2100Mhz does not have the range of 850Mhz assuming both radios are transmitting at the same power level.

Today I ran quite a few Speedtest.net tests to their Bangkok STS Group server (I use it because it seems the fastest of the Bangkok severs and I didn't want to use the DTAC server) and checked power levels using the Network Signal Info app using my wife's Samsung S4 still on DTAC 850Mhz only and my Samsung S4 now on DTAC Trinet using 2100 and 850Mhz for its 3G frequencies. I would run each test at the same time using both phones. Below are some speed comparisons between 2100 and 850Mhz....I'm assuming whenever I ran the test on my S4 I was on 2100 because the "R" did not appear and the Network Siganl app showed a signal strength level approx. 20 db lower than the wife's S4 who was connected to 850Mhz for sure.

2100Mhz................................................................850Mhz

Time / Down Speed / Up Speed / Pwr Lvl.............Down Speed / Up Speed / Pwr Lvl

10:40am / 8.03Mb / 3.25 Mb / -111db...................8.93Mb / 3.48Mb / -75db

10:43am / 2.78Mb / 0.18Mb / -109db.....................16.24Mb / 0.58Mb / -77db

10:45am / 3.32Mb / 1.24Mb/ -95db.......................9.68Mb / 3.36Mb / -67db

4:15pm / 11.17Mb / 2.28 / -107db..........................15.48Mb / 1.58Mb / -79db

7:20pm / 3.93Mb / 0.78Mb / -109db.......................24.51Mb / 2.16Mb / -71db

Note: a larger negative number for Power level means a lower signal strength. When using the Network Signal app any signal -100db or larger would be indicated with a Red line indicating low signal strength but once higher than -100db (i.e., -99, -98...-88db, etc) the line was in green which I guess means it considered adequate signal strength.

When driving from Bangkok to Nakhon Pathom around mid day I watched my signal strength indicator on the phone to see if I got a signal all the way and to see if "R" would appear next to the signal bars indicating I had switched from 2100Mhz to 850Mhz. As I left Bangkok I pretty much had the R all the way to Nakhon Pathom and where I was at in Nakhon Pathom. While in Nakhon Pathom I did a few Speedtest.net tests on my phone and the wife's phone...since both were operating on 850Mhz at that location we got download speeds ranging form 3.46Mb to 14.43Mb, with around 10Mb being the predominate approx. speed.

I'll close with some notes I jotted down during the day regarding my switch to TriNet.

1. If the 2100Mhz meets some minimum power level it appears you will stay on that frequency until the signal is very weak/no signal and then you are switched to 850MHz. But to do the frequency switching when needed you need to have Data Roaming turned on...or at least on my Samsung S4 I do...and that other poster mentioned that is what DTAC told him to do. In the DTAC SMS there is no mention of be sure to turn on your Data Roaming, but my phone did display an internal error message saying I had lost my signal because of leaving my home area and needed to turn on Data Roaming. So, turn on Data Roaming and leave it on.

2. I have not seen "E" for an Edge connection appear on my phone since switching to TriNet. In that drive to Nakhon Pathom I would always see some "E" indications on my phone but not today. I need to drive to some more areas where I always got "E" indications like my mother-in-law's house out in the province/jungle and even on significant portions of the major road in the business district of Bangkok on Sathorn Road. And on the return trip from Nakhon Pathom today I lost the 3G signal...had no connection at all for a kilometer or two.

3. Here at my western Bangkok home (in the suburbs so to speak), the 2100Mhz signal is approx. 25-35db lower than the 850Mhz signal....the 2100Mhz signal is down around a -95 to -115db while the 850Mhz signal is stronger at around -70 to -80db. This very significant difference between power levels is probably why I'm now getting lower speeds since signal strength can make a big difference in speed. So many people are always asking for speedtest results and without knowing the associated power levels it may not be a good indicator of the speed of a network, especially if the person reporting slow 3G speeds in on the edge of the max coverage for a particular tower. Hopefully for folks living in the core/central part of the city the 2100Mhz signal strength and coverage will be better since the 2100Mhz is focused toward high population areas...and 850Mhz more toward the rural areas...guess I living in-between the two areas.

4. With Data Roaming turned on and when you don't see the "R" in appears to means you are on the 2100Mhz signal.

5. Even with lower 2100Mhz speed I'm not noticing any differences in my internet surfing, emailing, App usage/responsiveness like ThaiVisa, etc. This probably goes to show as long as you are getting a Mb or so of smooth speed you probably won't notice the difference between a 1Mb connection or 10Mb connection for basic phone usage.

6. Streaming video like watching some of these TV apps and using YouTube plays smoothly on 2100Mhz even through like I talk above I'm getting lower speeds than when I was solely on 850Mhz

7. When scanning for Network Operators in my area before it would show "DTAC" which is the 850Mhz and "dtac Trinet" which includes the 2100Mhz, but after switching it now shows "DTAC" as before but the "dtac Trinet" name has changed to just "dtac" in lower case letters...the Trinet word is gone. So, it will show "DTAC" and also "dtac" as two operators in your area. Even if I select to switch to "DTAC" (850Mhz) I still end up on the Trinet network which has a DTAC MNC of 5 compared to DTAC MNC of 18.

8. Last note (finally): if right now I had to say switching to TriNet was better since I would have access to 2100Mhz and 850Mhz than staying only with 850Mhz access I would say it was "not" better to switch purely based on the speedtests I've done today. But those speedtest results were based on where "my home is located"....if my home was located much closer to the 2100Mhz tower/radio I would have most likely got speed equal to, maybe higher, than the 850Mhz and I may be singing praises to Trinet right now. In final closing, "Your TriNet Results May (will) Vary."

P.S. As mentioned in my other posts, the wife got the DTAC SMS heads-up SMSs she would be switched o/a her Aug billing cycle but she has still not got the SMS saying it going to happen at midnight. After some additional research I think her billing cycle runs 22-21 where mine ran 15-14. So, I was switched to Trinet at the very beginning of my new billing cycle and she should be switched on 23Aug and probably get that heads-up SMS on 22 Aug of her switch occurring at midnight. Time will tell. That's OK...no hurry based on what I know now.

Edited August 16, 2013 by Pib

Pib · August 17, 2013

7. When scanning for Network Operators in my area before it would show "DTAC" which is the 850Mhz and "dtac Trinet" which includes the 2100Mhz, but after switching it now shows "DTAC" as before but the "dtac Trinet" name has changed to just "dtac" in lower case letters...the Trinet word is gone. So, it will show "DTAC" and also "dtac" as two operators in your area. Even if I select to switch to "DTAC" (850Mhz) I still end up on the Trinet network which has a DTAC MNC of 5 compared to DTAC MNC of 18.

Today I experimented (played) more in switching back and forth between TriNet 850Mhz and 2100Mhz, turning Data Roaming off and on, etc., using my Samsung S4. What I determined is where I earlier said network code "DTAC" (all upper case) represented the TriNet 850Mhz and "dtac TriNet" respesented TriNet 2100Mhz until I was switched to TriNet then "DTAC" represented 850Mhz and "dtac" represented 2100Mhz, well, I was wrong.

Apparently when I was switched to TriNet the network code "DTAC" now represented 2100Mhz for me and "dtac" represented 850MHz....the coding/frequencies had swapped. The before TriNet switch and after TriNet switch apparently changed the network coding I would see. I determined this early today when experimenting between the two frequencies while monitoring the received signal strength with the app Network Signal Info.

And just within the hour from some googling I found one of those so called Android secret codes you can dial and it will show the frequency you are connected to...no experimenting required.. This allowed me to confirm that after being switched to TriNet the Network Code for TriNet 2100Mhz is "DTAC" and for TriNet 850Mhz it's "dtac".

Now to confuse things more when I look at my wife's S4 (not on TriNet yet) the Network Codes her phone displays are "dtac" for the 850Mhz (which she connects to and I confirmed with the secret code) and "dtac Trinet" which she can not connect to yet so I can't use the secret code to confirm its 2100Mhz until they switch her to TriNet probably early next week....then I expect her Network Codes will change to "DTAC" for 2100Mhz and "dtac" for 850Mhz. But right now, she does not show any network code of DTAC in capital letters; only lower case letters.

Maybe DTAC wants to symbolize that's its TriNet primary frequency is 2100Mhz so the network code will appear in all capital letters and to symbolize 850Mhz will be the secondary frequency and show in all lower case letters. But this coding don't occur until you are switched to Trinet.

Ok, Ok, what is that secret code: Dial *#0011# and that will take you to the depths of your phone controls and around the 3d line displayed you should see WCDMA XXXX with the XXXX reflecting the frequency you are connected to. I confirmed the wife's non-TriNet "dtac" connection is 850Mhz.

In my experimenting today I continued to confirm the 2100Mhz gave me a much lower signal strength and significantly lower 3G speed. So, what I have done is instead of letting the phone "Select Automatically" the network I tell it to select "dtac" which is the 850Mhz network and I also must turn on Data Roaming to connect. Turn off Roaming and it loses the 850Mhz...has no connection until I go back into Networks and let it Automatically Select the connection frequency or I manually select "DTAC" which is the 2100Mhz. Before being on TriNet and being connected to 850Mhz which was the only DTAC 3G frequency in use, I did not have to turn on Data Roaming to get a connection...but being switched to TriNet changed that if I want to use 850Mhz.

I called DTAC Customer Service today to talk the reduced signal level and speed I was getting when using 2100Mhz since apparently/maybe under TriNet 2100Mhz is set to be the preferred network to connect to with the secondary being 850Mhz. I bent the rep's ear pretty good about the slower speed/lower signal strength I was getting probably because I was on the edge of the 2100Mhz radio's reach. She did say that TriNet is suppose to connect you to the "strongest" signal but I told her that was not working for me as the 2100Mhz signal for me was much lower than the 850Mhz. The rep really didn't answer my question about can you change my TriNet profile setting on her end to say 850Mhz would be my preferred connection followed by 2100Mhz....she really didn't give me an answer, but said she will "refresh" my connection and it would occur within 15 to 30 minutes. I also confirmed in my call that turning Data Roaming on in order to make a connection to TriNet 850Mhz does not incur any additional charges because I'm still on the DTAC network and that is one of the TriNet frequencies.

I said OK, hung up, and then set my Network Selection back to Select Automatically just to see if maybe this "refresh" might change my preferred frequency to 850Mhz and the rep just didn't want to tell a customer they could change the preferred connection to 850 first choice, 2100 second choice versus being the other way. When changing back to the network selection back to Select Automatically I was little surprised I was connected to the 850Mhz...before each time it would connect 2100 and I had to do a manual network selection to change it to 850Mhz. About 5 minutes later while playing with phone I saw I lost my network connection...it was that "refresh" occurring much sooner than the 15-30 minute estimate given...after about 30 seconds I had a connection again, I checked the power level to see what frequency I had connected to (this is before I knew the secret code to confirm the frequency) and I was connected to 850Mhz. Cool....maybe this "refresh" fixed thing had set 850MHz to be my first choice of connection followed by 2100Mhz....however, but, about 30 minutes later I saw it had changed back to 2100Mhz. Even though 2100Mhz was giving me a significantly lower signal level than 850Mhz, it (2100Mhz) just insisted on being the frequency I was connected to with the phone set to Automatically Select the 3G frequency.

So, I once again manually changed the network selection to 850Mhz (now showing as "dtac" for me), turned on Data Roaming, and I get the stronger signal strength and higher speed in comparison to my connection to 2100Mhz. Basically told the phone to use 850Mhz and not automatically select the frequency which ends up giving me 2100Mhz right out of the gate or a little later on. Your results may vary depending on your distance from your 3G tower/radios. Now I will just have to do more testing over the coming days/week when I drive around the area to see if during the manual network selection to 850Mhz has any downside like maybe never connecting to 2100Mhz when I happen to get closer enough to where 2100Mhz may have a stronger signal than 850Mhz. And also to determine if I get an "E" Edge connection at the mother-in-law's house out in the province/jungle where it's too far away to usually pickup a 3G signal or maybe now I just won't get get any data connection. An Edge connection is what I got around 95% of the time...and even when I did get a 3G connection the speed was barely faster than an Edge connection. I'm just a little surprised I haven't seen E appear on my phone even for a very brief period in my driving around; before switched to TriNet I would.

Anyway, just FYI for you folks on DTAC when you are switched to TriNet if your speed and signal strength go south you may want to try manually selecting the 850Mhz network with Data Roaming Turned On. And to confirm what frequency you are connected to, Dial *#0011# if using an Android phone...don't know what the code is for other phones like Apple phones.

Pib · August 17, 2013

Ok I found a way to see if my phone can still connect to the Edge frequency of 1800Mhz by changing the Network Mode setting from "WCDMA/GSM (auto connect)" to "GSM Only." As mentioned earlier since switching to TriNet I had never seen an E indication even briefly in my travels so far....I would only see 3G, H, or H+ symbols. Before in my travels along roads and to the mother-in-laws house I would seen the E connection frequently.

On "GSM Only" it does connects to 1800Mhz and I get the E symbol and the dialing *#0011# shows the 1800Mz frequency. But I have to have Data Roaming turned on to get the E connection since I'm now on TriNet...before I didn't have to have Data Roaming turned on...I never turned Data Roaming on.

So hopefully when I visit the mother-in-law's house out in the jungle (a.k.a., the land of non-3G signal) now that I'm on TriNet the phone will still automatically switch to E/Edge like it always did before I was switched to TriNet. But I won't know for sure until I visit again sometimes over the coming week or maybe see E appear in some of my other driving around. I guess maybe not seeing E so often/a lot less is a good thing assuming my phone does continue to switch to E automatically with my current mobile data setting to continue to use the 850Mhz 3G frequency versus letting the 2100Mhz frequency seem to take priority.

Just FYI.

shariq607 · August 17, 2013

Appreciate your post and the time you spend to post your experience with trinet in short notice, thanks alot btw, i am experiencing opposite of what your are experiencing, for me trinet has reasonably speeded up things and the signal jumped from 3 bar to maximum 4 bar strength, i live in downtown bangkok in sukhumvit asok area, so trinet i believe has been positive (for now) here.