My Planned estimated monthly budget for Thailand

[Tolley]

I think the argument was more about some people saying that living on a smaller budget is a "substandard lifestyle", when they are simply ignorant to the realities of lifestyles of different people. Specially when you got some bloke in his 60s from Pattaya trying to tell me what my lifestyle is like in Bangkok when I am in my 20s and work from home.

My original budget was way over what I spend now. I originally budgeted to spend 60k a month. A couple years later and my typical monthly budget is 30-40k instead.

Life is also a lot cheaper when you do not need to rent or pay for girls.

Exactly.

I came here expecting to spend around 55-60k a month easily and soon found I didn't need to without having to scrimp or deny myself anything.

As I have posted before no one I know lives on much less than 80k a month and most spend more. And yes you can live on 40-50k but most people wouldn't choose to as it severely limits your options

But you are a single 60+ man and living in Pattaya, right?

I think I can guess why you might spend a bit more than a single guy in his 20s in BKK. Of course I could be wrong but until you break down your budget for us I guess we'll never know...

Simply saying you don't know anyone who spends less than 80k p/m is useless if you don't give us a reference point.

Oh and what options are being limited when on a 45k budget out of curiosity? It certainly won't stop anyone having a good time, eating out, partying and dating women.

He most certainly is a 60+ year old sexpat living in Pattaya. Probably the type you see hugging a chang beer around Soi Baukow in the middle of the day.

I remember going to Samui in 79 or 80 and catching a ferry over and then getting in the back of pick up for the trip to Chaewang Beach. Stayed in a beach hut for 30 baht a night shared with another guy so 15 baht a head. There were only two families mom and pop operations on the beach. No hotels no airport.

A couple of Aussies had been busted the week before for smoking ganga and were exhorted by the local BIB. We were told to be careful if we wanted to smoke. There were plenty of scams going on back then and many are still going on 30 years later. eg gem scam, sick buffalo scams, casino scam etc etc

Saw a guy murdered outside the Grace Hotel in Bangkok shot in the head at point blank range about 50 metres from where I was standing.

Old, jealous, and out of touch.

Can't fathom the lifestyles we lead.

Mid fifties if you really want to know. Hardly old.

Jealous now that really is a laff. Why would I be jealous of someoe who doesnt have a pot to piss in .

45k a month, living in a bedsit with no career, no money and no future

Yes you are right I cant fathom that at all

[Metapod]

MrHammer said:

I don't even know why I got into this discussion, most likely because TheSpade made it out like he was living a comfortable life with all amenities at 35K and we then found out he doesn't own anything else than a laptop and a backpack. That is fine, but I have a strong aversion to bullshitters and most people of a certain age are just not going to consider his lifestyle as comfortable.

It's interesting, isn't it ? A hippie (or hipster - your choice) who claims to have the nightlife in Thailand wired, but spends an inordinate amount of time on TV bemoaning the lifestyle of various aging punters in 'his' backyard. The thing that really puzzles me about the young Turks on this board is WHY the hell they feel the need to post at all - how many of the 50+ brigade would waste hours each day on the Net with their (alleged) combination of money, looks and sexual stamina ? This is the internet - we can ALL be 30 years old, independently wealthy and gorgeous, but the older blokes who form the bulk of TV - my assumption - cant be bothered measuring their dicks every time they log in. OK - most of them cant be bothered

Lads, if you really ARE living the life of Riley in SE Asia, more power to you, but I'm mystified as to why you feel the need to constantly wave your 'credentials' in our faces. For all the stereotypes, the majority of retired TV'ers seem to be folk who put in decades with their noses to the grindstone - does it really matter to you what they do in their retirement ? If you want to impress me, open an orphanage in SE Asia with your millions - I guarantee that you'll rapidly forget all about internet forums.

Pretty sure the only one waving his dick around here is MrHammer. The guy is full of shit and I showed it.

All I have done in this thread is refute ignorant claims people have made.I couldn't care less about how other people spend their money. Read my posts in this thread.

[Metapod]

Mid fifties if you really want to know. Hardly old.

Jealous now that really is a laff. Why would I be jealous of someoe who doesnt have a pot to piss in .

45k a month, living in a bedsit with no career, no money and no future

Yes you are right I cant fathom that at all

No career? No money? No future?

How do you know any of this just from the amount of money I spend each month? You are so clueless it is hilarious. I probably save more money each month than you do.

Edited September 22, 2013 by Metapod

[TheSpade]

Your 7K apartment is not a substitute for somethig twice the price. There is a market price for things and no, you haven't cracked the code, your standards are just much lower than mine.

I looked at places more than twice that price in BKK in various areas and honestly they don't get much better than what I have now. Maybe some are slightly more modern looking but no bigger than what I have and many were much smaller than my current place.

most likely because TheSpade made it out like he was living a comfortable life with all amenities at 35K and we then found out he doesn't own anything else than a laptop and a backpack. That is fine, but I have a strong aversion to bullshitters and most people of a certain age are just not going to consider his lifestyle as comfortable.

And please tell me what else a digital nomad would want and need other than a laptop and a suitcase? I don't own a backpack btw.

That has no reflection on how comfortable my lifestyle is.

It's interesting, isn't it ? A hippie (or hipster - your choice) who claims to have the nightlife in Thailandwired, but spends an inordinate amount of time on TV bemoaning the lifestyle of various aging punters in 'his' backyard. The thing that really puzzles me about the young Turks on this board is WHY the hell they feel the need to post at all - how many of the 50+ brigade would waste hours each day on the Net with their (alleged) combination of money, looks and sexual stamina ? This is the internet - we can ALL be 30 years old, independently wealthy and gorgeous, but the older blokes who form the bulk of TV - my assumption - cant be bothered measuring their dicks every time they log in. OK - most of them cant be bothered

I hope you're not referring to me either as a hippie or a hipster.

Could it be because we have a reason to be online so and hitting refresh on the TVF to see what the latest deluded old sex pat has replied is just too funny to miss?

If the old boys brigade would just accept that guys on budgets under 45k weren't living substandard existences, like poor locals, not having fun etc and that they have no idea what it's like to live in Thailand as a young, single, man things would be fine.

I think 60K is a reasonable minimum budget for anyone who isn't a young guy and that 45K is ok if you're early to mid twenties and hasn't gotten used to greater comforts

What are these greater comforts? Sound systems and LCD TVS? Errrr no thanks I sold all that useless shit years ago and won't ever be buying it again.

[TheSpade]

45k a month, living in a bedsit with no career, no money and no future

Yes you are right I cant fathom that at all

Careers are a thing of the past.

Some of us have forsaken them for a life of travel, adventure, living abroad and making our own money and way in the world.

We don't need someone to tell us what to do and when to do it. We refuse to be slaves to some corporation and make other people money and instead focus on making it for ourselves.

We're not content at slaving away for 60 years in the hope we make it to retirement.

It's 2013 grandpa time to join the modern world.

[poanoi]

Here's Tolley and TheSpade,

and the last guy is the Thai Landlord from which they both rent

Edited September 22, 2013 by poanoi

[pigeonjake]

can someone tell me when you are old, what is the number,

im 53, just,,lol,, i dont know whos side to be on, the old or the young guns,,lol,

im confused,,i must be old,,lol

i cant see what it matters what people spend, if there happy then they must be spending enough,

some will spend 100k some will spend 25k,

you get that in every country,

all ive got to say and i dont want you young guns chasing me round this site,

is that it would be a good idea if you could be putting just about the same amount away every month, just in case things go tits up,

you can be ill young just the same as you can being old,

if things go wrong with the internet sales,

and i no your all not selling on the internet,

but just think, what if!!!

yes i still work at 53, and yes i was even operations manager in bkk, but not enough monet very very good money for thailand, but i was still away from my farm, so i thought i might as well be working in africa away from my farm earning 4x as much,

jake

[TheSpade]

all ive got to say and i dont want you young guns chasing me round this site,

is that it would be a good idea if you could be putting just about the same amount away every month, just in case things go tits up,

you can be ill young just the same as you can being old,

if things go wrong with the internet sales,

and i no your all not selling on the internet,

but just think, what if!!!

Who says us young guys are not putting money away?

Yes there are risks online but it's the same as anything. If you work FOR a company they can easily go bankrupt or cut staff and you've no longer got a job, especially in the current climate.

Never put all your eggs in one basket and all that.

[Metapod]

can someone tell me when you are old, what is the number,

im 53, just,,lol,, i dont know whos side to be on, the old or the young guns,,lol,

im confused,,i must be old,,lol

i cant see what it matters what people spend, if there happy then they must be spending enough,

some will spend 100k some will spend 25k,

you get that in every country,

all ive got to say and i dont want you young guns chasing me round this site,

is that it would be a good idea if you could be putting just about the same amount away every month, just in case things go tits up,

you can be ill young just the same as you can being old,

if things go wrong with the internet sales,

and i no your all not selling on the internet,

but just think, what if!!!

yes i still work at 53, and yes i was even operations manager in bkk, but not enough monet very very good money for thailand, but i was still away from my farm, so i thought i might as well be working in africa away from my farm earning 4x as much,

jake

I don't think this is a young vs old thing. Just seems to be a few old blokes who are very ignorant to how young people live. Very bitter vibes coming from them. I posted in here to correct that information.

And you are right. It doesn't matter what people spend. I don't think anyone has had an issue with that. Everyone has different budgets and different ways to live their life.

The issue was some people calling our budgets "living like local poor people" and thinking we live substandard lives. Pure ignorance with a hint of jealousy.

And things can always go tits up.

That is one of the reasons I am happy to spend 30-40k instead of 60k and bank the rest every month. I could stop earning for over a year or more and still maintain my lifestyle just fine.

My budget isn't how much I earn, it is how much I spend, hence the word budget.

[JLCrab]

I will admit to not knowing how a lot of people in their mid to late 20's live these days because the only 2 I know of well are both PhD students -- one in math & one in computer science -- who are both on full scholarship plus stipend in the USA.

My lifelong friend's son the math guy spends lots of time in Moscow and Prague and the CompSci guy -- my nephew -- travels all over the world delivering papers at conferences on optical recognition and artificial intelligence.

Edited September 22, 2013 by JLCrab

[Naam]

Careers are a thing of the past.

Some of us have forsaken them for a life of travel, adventure, living abroad and making our own money and way in the world.

We don't need someone to tell us what to do and when to do it. We refuse to be slaves to some corporation and make other people money and instead focus on making it for ourselves.

We're not content at slaving away for 60 years in the hope we make it to retirement.

It's 2013 grandpa time to join the modern world.

i discussed "joining the modern world, living in a shoebox and spending 45k Baht a month" with my dogs. their reaction was not exactly positive. the male lifted a leg trying to water my computer and the female was rolling on the floor with laughter.

then both went to my wife and accused me of secretly drinking poisenous liquor and smoking illegal stuff.

no treats for them today!

[poanoi]

 

can someone tell me when you are old, what is the number,

im 53, just,,lol,, i dont know whos side to be on, the old or the young guns,,lol,

im confused,,i must be old,,lol

i cant see what it matters what people spend, if there happy then they must be spending enough,

some will spend 100k some will spend 25k,

you get that in every country,

all ive got to say and i dont want you young guns chasing me round this site,

is that it would be a good idea if you could be putting just about the same amount away every month, just in case things go tits up,

you can be ill young just the same as you can being old,

if things go wrong with the internet sales,

and i no your all not selling on the internet,

but just think, what if!!!

yes i still work at 53, and yes i was even operations manager in bkk, but not enough monet very very good money for thailand, but i was still away from my farm, so i thought i might as well be working in africa away from my farm earning 4x as much,

jake

 

The girls shifted main interest from my junk in favor of my money at the age of 40,

so that is my definition of getting old

[MrWorldwide]

pigeonjake, get a grip : I'm 54 and you know as well as I do that right up to the age of 40 we regarded anyone over 50 as 'old'. To the Spade and his mates, you and I may as well be 65 as mid-fifties : that's just the way it is. I expect that there are some very young-minded guys in their mid-sixties who will take umbrage at that, but it illustrates how easy it is to think 'Man, I'll never be that old !'. A big part of my preconceptions stem from the fact that a 50-year old man in this town often bore the lines of a very hard working life in the Aussie sun combined with too many hours in various pubs. Thankfully, it doesnt have to be like that any more.

I have zero problem with Spade wanting to tag me as an 'old man', but lumping us all with the socks-and-sandals bunch outside NEP is wearing very thin.

[poanoi]

Furthermore, the girls also regard anyone over 50 as old,

at least the girls i've talked to had set 50 as the limit for a partner.

as an aside, i'm running out of time stuck in shit

Edited September 22, 2013 by poanoi

[balo]

I full well know the kind of lifestyle you guys have and paying for girls has no bearings on the budget I put out a couple of pages back. You guys live like local lower class people and you are satisfied living like that.

nothing wrong with living like local lower class people on 45 000 baht a month

You mean living like the upper class hi-so Thais ? No problems at all with 45k for one person, and if both of you earn that much , live like a king.

[rayongchelsea]

45k a month, living in a bedsit with no career, no money and no future

Yes you are right I cant fathom that at all

Careers are a thing of the past.

Some of us have forsaken them for a life of travel, adventure, living abroad and making our own money and way in the world.

We don't need someone to tell us what to do and when to do it. We refuse to be slaves to some corporation and make other people money and instead focus on making it for ourselves.

We're not content at slaving away for 60 years in the hope we make it to retirement.

It's 2013 grandpa time to join the modern world.

Stop with this career thing and corporate bullshit as if it is uniquely now.

Come to Thailand in the 80's the very thing you describe was happening then with the people who were here without the laptops the Internet..

And we had one thing in common none of us had much..none of us were slaves, what we all had in common was a sense of adventure, very well traveled when no one did, people with personalities maybe a few chancers..nobody came because they had better comforts than at home..the farangs who have come here since 2000 pale into comparison including you...there isn't much credibility coming here now when it's just as easy to fly to Florida or Athens..Thailand ain't no frontier..so please "adventure lite" ..

Unfortunately we all get older, our needs change, I like the comforts of watching live sports and not having to wait 2 days for the results in the bangkokpost, things from home that I couldn't find 10 years ago. I just find it more expensive to live as I have got older which has surprised me.

I agree with you on one thing. 45k is not living like a poor Thai as some have suggested.

Stop stereotyping..

[HardenedSoul]

45k a month, living in a bedsit with no career, no money and no future

Yes you are right I cant fathom that at all

Careers are a thing of the past.

Some of us have forsaken them for a life of travel, adventure, living abroad and making our own money and way in the world.

We don't need someone to tell us what to do and when to do it. We refuse to be slaves to some corporation and make other people money and instead focus on making it for ourselves.

We're not content at slaving away for 60 years in the hope we make it to retirement.

It's 2013 grandpa time to join the modern world.

Have to concur with that.

The whole wage slave, property ladder, get married, have kids, get divorced, pray the retirement fund is big enough has been done to death and yet, the high probability of epic failure doesn't stop millions of young people walking the path that conventional society has laid out for them.

I had the corporate job and the mortgage but it was tantamount to living life on my knees

So I abandoned it, rolled up the safety net and threw caution to the wind.

Glad I did because, now I start work 2pm, from home, work 4 hours a day on average (Monday to Friday), nice big apartment in prime Sukhumvit at a great rent, I keep a small selection of attractive women who wouldn't dream of sullying our "gikship" with talk of compensation and I still save meaningful sums of money every month

The point is, I've been a wage slave and I've been an independent internet worker . . . let me assure you that, 5 years on, the latter has proven to be infinitely more enjoyable and fulfilling

[Tolley]

45k a month, living in a bedsit with no career, no money and no future

Yes you are right I cant fathom that at all

Careers are a thing of the past.

Some of us have forsaken them for a life of travel, adventure, living abroad and making our own money and way in the world.

We don't need someone to tell us what to do and when to do it. We refuse to be slaves to some corporation and make other people money and instead focus on making it for ourselves.

We're not content at slaving away for 60 years in the hope we make it to retirement.

It's 2013 grandpa time to join the modern world.

Who says a career means being a wage slave for a corporation?

You are so far wrong you dont even know what you are saying anymore.

You will never get anywhere with limited thinking like that.

You think you invented the idea of travelling on a shoestring and leaving all the 9 to 5 stuff to someone else?

Wake up pal people have been opting out of that way since before you and me were born.

Lets see how long you last in your shoebox living day to day.

It is going to wear thin very quickly methinks.

[anon8]

Who says a career means being a wage slave for a corporation?

..

You think you invented the idea of travelling on a shoestring and leaving all the 9 to 5 stuff to someone else?

Wake up pal people have been opting out of that way since before you and me were born.

Lets see how long you last in your shoebox living day to day.

What other careers are there in the West? I thought career is thing, when you work, move up the ladder, work some more, all the while making money for somebody else, and being payed a salary. Usually until you retire, often near old age. So you have basically spent your adult years making someone else rich. Even if payed well, you still have almost no freedom, your holiday is 3 - 4 weeks usually, out of 52 weeks a year. That is hardly a good life.

So if somebody moves to Asia and works for himself, lives in fun country compared to, say, Belgium, or Arkansas, how is that a bad thing? Cos his room is 35 m2? Please! If his room was 75 m2, would you approve? Do you really think a decent size studio for a single guy living alone is shoebox.

btw, this word 'shoebox' is something ThaiVisa people often use, and usually to describe apartment that is smaller than theirs, but why do people care how big someones home is?

Edited September 22, 2013 by valgehiir

[anon8]

Lets see how long you last in your shoebox living day to day.

with 45 000 a month, a person can live nicely in Bangkok or anywhere in Thailand as long as he wants, day to day, or year to year

[Tolley]

Who says a career means being a wage slave for a corporation?

..

You think you invented the idea of travelling on a shoestring and leaving all the 9 to 5 stuff to someone else?

Wake up pal people have been opting out of that way since before you and me were born.

Lets see how long you last in your shoebox living day to day.

What other careers are there in the West? I thought career is thing, when you work, move up the ladder, work some more, all the while making money for somebody else, and being payed a salary. Usually until you retire, often near old age. So you have basically spent your adult years making someone else rich. Even if payed well, you still have almost no freedom, your holiday is 3 - 4 weeks usually, out of 52 weeks a year. That is hardly a good life.

So if somebody moves to Asia and works for himself, lives in fun country compared to, say, Belgium, or Arkansas, how is that a bad thing? Cos his room is 35 m2? Please! If his room was 75 m2, would you approve? Do you really think a decent size studio for a single guy living alone is shoebox.

btw, this word 'shoebox' is something ThaiVisa people often use, and usually to describe apartment that is smaller than theirs, but why do people care how big someones home is?

Many self employed people have careers too.

Have you head of people having a career in business? A career in the music industry. A career in tv. A career in journalism etc etc etc etc

So really you are only thinking of career in a very limited sense as a career can mean any of the above.

It is not a matter of caring how big someones place is rather that living in a small room is for most people not sustainable for very long.

The majority of people who have the financial means will not stay in a single room when they can afford something bigger simple as that really isnt it?

[anon8]

Many self employed people have careers too.

He has pointed out several times he spends time at the computer, making money. So he should be ok then, you agree?

[anon8]

The majority of people who have the financial means will not stay in a single room when they can afford something bigger simple as that really isnt it?

Somehow the size of his studio becomes an issue again. That is truly bizarre!

he has said many times he likes his room, that he is very very happy to live there. He does not force you to live there, he doesn't even mind you call his home a 'shoebox'. What else do we want from him??

Edited September 22, 2013 by valgehiir

[poanoi]

I have lived in 3 houses and unknown nr of condos here, and for me, the rooms win any day,

more so if close to go-go too. Only reason i ever had a look at the houses was the persuasion

of my woman

[bermondburi]

In the UK now i'm making £75 a day

so not making much above legally mangated minimum wage then ?

wouldnt you get more being unemployed in the UK ?...

UK minimum wage is 6:31 GBP an hour . 8 hours a day before tax is about 50 quid . After tax and it's under 40 a day . So 75 a day is about double . Add in cheaper rent , utility bills ect and he's going to be much better off.

[rayongchelsea]

The room is just a reflection of what is really going on...

What trolley is expressing holds a lot of truth and common sense.

I am shocked that people define a career as was described above, ladder etc..so. Cliche..I am in my 50's friends have had very successful careers, moving from job to job country to country, it's not one company,one ladder. One or two have become very rich on stock options.,yes they work hard but they get a great deal of self satisfaction, lead contented lives..

Almost none of whom would consider retiring here..

My daughter and her friends most who have been educated abroad , wouldn't look twice at a guy in a " box" or a young farang here with that life style..they would all interpret that as being a loser..mind you my daughters boyfriend is a bloody sop..( feeling depressed now!).

The one thing you will find out is that you will pay a price later..age is a bitch..if you don't have your comforts an even bigger bitch..

My last word on the 35sq meters..it doesn't ooze a good life style..I use to live in one when I was very young,with that was ok, because I was never there..spade actually works and lives there..novelty wears off real quick..

[TheSpade]

btw, this word 'shoebox' is something ThaiVisa people often use, and usually to describe apartment that is smaller than theirs, but why do people care how big someones home is?

You can pay double of what I pay in BKK and the apartment will be no bigger in most cases, I know because I looked at these places and was very disappointed that places 2-3X more expensive than what I'm paying now were the same size or smaller.

They were usually more modern looking but modern looking is no substitute for less room. I certainly would not want to have much less space than 38sqm but I wouldn't pay such huge amounts more for it to be bigger either.

Plus with the amount of amenities I have here, the location and the amount of bars, restaurants, shops etc on my door step I wouldn't be keen to move somewhere else just because it's a bit more modern.

A lot of these more expensive places had no pool or fitness centre, no bar, a few had a restaurant and a shop but not all. I have all of that and more.

I bet half the people claiming I live in a shoebox, fan room, slum house etc don't even have pools, gym, shops, massage, and restaurants which deliver etc in their complex.

Sometimes they get their internet and cable TV included. Many rent for less than 10k.

Yep free Wifi and cable TV included here.

My daughter and her friends most who have been educated abroad , wouldn't look twice at a guy in a " box" or a young farang here with that life style..they would all interpret that as being a loser..mind you my daughters boyfriend is a bloody sop..( feeling depressed now!).

The one thing you will find out is that you will pay a price later..age is a bitch..if you don't have your comforts an even bigger bitch..

My last word on the 35sq meters..it doesn't ooze a good life style..I use to live in one when I was very young,with that was ok, because I was never there..spade actually works and lives there..novelty wears off real quick..

Thai girls who have been educated abroad or worked abroad love us young farangs. I've dated a lot of girls who have studied in UK and worked in the States or Norway etc.

And honestly since most of the Thai girls I know live with parents, at student accommodation or in

20sqm apartments my 38sqm place with huge balcony and great view...oh and not to mention the pool and poolside bar where you can swim and sip cocktails...seems like a pretty cool place to hang out for them.

Even the girls I know who are quite well off by Thai standards (and make more money than me) don't have a problem with it. It's me their interested in not the size of my apartment.

As for being in my apartment all the time....not at all.

I might spend about 2hrs in the morning at my desk or on the sofa at my coffee table or out on the spacious balcony with great view before heading to the coffee shop in the afternoon, or the pool if the weather is nice.

If not out partying or dating at night and want to be productive I'll go to a restaurant and bar and use the laptop from there.

So suits me fine. Sure if I was holed up sitting in the same place for 12hrs a day in a small space that might be an issue, but I'm not.

Edited September 22, 2013 by TheSpade

[NeverSure]

I can't believe the bitter, insulting, "mine is bigger than yours" posting on here.

If a guy really wants to be in LOS and 45k is the limit, more power to him. I do hope he has a nest egg for emergencies including medical emergencies. But who's to say he doesn't and won't spend it? There are a lot of English teachers somehow surviving on around 30k and working hard for it. They must really want to be in LOS and more power to them.

You guys who boast about 80k or 100k crack me up. My nut in the US is 300,000k baht and I'm fully retired, and my home is paid for. In addition to that, I make trips to LOS about twice a year and I have no idea what that is, monthly. I do know that I spent April in LOS and my round trip airfare from the US, bought at the last minute was $2,500 (80,000 baht at the time) and the first thing I did was to rent a car from Avis for 30,000 baht for 4 weeks. So there's 110,000 baht before I get away from the airport. Then I spent every night in a hotel traveling so I could see Isaan. I ate every meal in a restaurant without looking around for good deals, and bought gas for the car. I brought an Isaan friend a new laptop which I paid for. It was a gift.

I suspect my total expenses in April were 500,000 baht because my expenses in the US didn't stop. Gardener for my big landscaping, housekeeper, utilities including cable TV and internet, home heating, taxes, insurance - all ongoing.

I admire guys who are adventurous enough to move to LOS on 40 - 45k and live in an apartment. Sometimes they get their internet and cable TV included. Many rent for less than 10k. Some much less. Who am I to say they aren't enjoying their lives, especially compared to what that money would do for them in their home country. And then there are the Thai women. And there is so much more for some including a drastic change in weather.

I say live and let live, without all of the nasty insults. Many retired people don't have anything close to 45k per month and can't manage to be in LOS. Maybe they are back home living with relatives.

If someone can manage to coast in LOS on any decent level, more power to him.

Please stop the hating.

[anon8]

My daughter and her friends most who have been educated abroad , wouldn't look twice at a guy in a " box" or a young farang here with that life style..they would all interpret that as being a loser..mind you my daughters boyfriend is a bloody sop..( feeling depressed now!).

Judging and evaluating a man by the size of his apartment is maybe what some women do. Of course that is gonna lead to happy relationship.

[rayongchelsea]

It's not about mine is bigger than yours..

I agree who really cares.

45k is livable on, but nothing more.

I just find a couple of people who post on here have been a little too defensive and obnoxious towards the older generation many who did far more than them at their age.

Nothing they are doing is in anyway different from what many have done before..yet they justify what they do by others people actions' having a career, corporate Slaves etc.I have never heard such rubbish from guys who are suppose to be trying to be different, they sound weary....