Bangkok convenience store refuses to help beaten and bloody technical school student

[metisdead]

A post containing unsubstantiated nonsensical speculative comments has been removed as well as a flaming reply.

[Mampara]

You know what, I've just watched that video. Another disgrace. These cowardly thugs beating that boy.

Thailand is needing to introduce the cat o' nine tails to these morons, take the skin off their back and we'll see how hard they are then.

That's precisely why the new Thai generation are looked upon as cowards by many in the western world. they don't have the guts to fight one on one, but rely on numbers to give them courage and then boast on how good they are. the only time that they can fight on their own is when they beat up their wives, girlfriends, and children.

[somtampet]

I know the feeling son, I went flying over the handlebar of my bike at 80kph last night and bounced down the road in heavy traffic. Not a singular Thai stopped to help me.

TexasRanger pointed out on a thread I opened about it on the general forum that you can potentially get jailed for giving first aid.

What kind of brain damaged moronic thinking is that? It's disgraceful.

Don't think people in the West are any more sympathetic. My elderly mother fell over on a footpath a couple of months ago on the gold coast. She cut her face and was bleeding profusely. Not one person stopped to help, and one guy looked and actually sped away in his car. So let's not start with the Thai bashing...

POSTER WITH COMMON SENSE

All this thai bashing and its the same the world over.Years ago a guy was beating on a woman,so my adrenalin kicked in and ran across the street to help her.Both started to throw punches at me,they were husband and wife,having a tiff, but i saw him hitting her a few times.They were both pissed so easy to take them down.

[chooka]

What is it with this pack mentality and how many does it take to beat up a single lone person. Nothing more than a pack of hyenas who think they are heroes when they are actually the biggest cowards. I have had a bit to do with this pack mentality and the Asians are definitely the biggest cowards full of bravado and roaming in larger packs feeding off each others testosterone. You pull them more than 5 metres apart and it is like the life is being sucked from them. They turn into blubbering shaking nervous wrecks who are constantly looking around for a glimpse of a mate as they beg for their mothers. At least other ethnic groups still have a little sting in them even when separated.

[Crazy chef 1]

Buddhism at is finest!

[marell]

I know the feeling son, I went flying over the handlebar of my bike at 80kph last night and bounced down the road in heavy traffic. Not a singular Thai stopped to help me.

TexasRanger pointed out on a thread I opened about it on the general forum that you can potentially get jailed for giving first aid.

What kind of brain damaged moronic thinking is that? It's disgraceful.

Don't think people in the West are any more sympathetic. My elderly mother fell over on a footpath a couple of months ago on the gold coast. She cut her face and was bleeding profusely. Not one person stopped to help, and one guy looked and actually sped away in his car. So let's not start with the Thai bashing...

Must be an Asia Pacific thing then.

Try again. Happens in the US with equally disturbing frequency.

[bangkokstick]

When someone is beater it often happens that there are good reasons why he is beaten...

Not your business, no need to open the door or even look at the scene.

[uty6543]

I must live in a different world to most of you. I find people are very willing to help in any situation when they can. Here the clerks in the store probably felt it was not safe to let him in which is understandable. Didn’t the rescuers turn up quickly? Well done to the team of rescuers.

Wait a few years until you know the wrinkles of this culture and/or understand Thai language.

FYI The rescuers are from different foundations who compete for "customers" IE: victims of crime and/or accident. Those foundations are ferocious and have resorted to shoot (yes, firearms) other foundation rescuers to discourage them from getting there first. They do get paid for rescuing. Thais donate huge sums of money to their favorite foundations to "make merit" and secure their passage to heaven once they die.

Live, learn and you will understand that it is not just Thai bashing.

Completion is good if two rescue teams are trying to get to an incident first so much the better.

[Thai at Heart]

Three wise monkeys in the store? Shocking but not unexpected. Echoing another topic on here, the complete indifference of a lot of Thai's to any problems or issues but their own or people they know well.

It's not the Thailand of even 3 or 4 years ago anymore, is it?

I think you are right. Something has really changed. I'm off tomorrow. I am not going to leave my kids here to live in this system.

[Confuscious]

I don't know about the Thai laws, but in my country you can be charged with manslaughter if you don't help somebody in need.

Specially of that person would die or would be incapable to work.

[Tatsujin]

Three wise monkeys in the store? Shocking but not unexpected. Echoing another topic on here, the complete indifference of a lot of Thai's to any problems or issues but their own or people they know well.

It's not the Thailand of even 3 or 4 years ago anymore, is it?

I think you are right. Something has really changed. I'm off tomorrow. I am not going to leave my kids here to live in this system.

Maybe other people don't see it or don't agree with it, but as far as I am concerned since just before 2010 the corruption, arrogance, thievery, bad attitudes, xenophobia have just gone through the roof as far as I am concerned. And it's not just simply that things are reported more often, I'm talking about what I "see" day to day. It's as if with the change in Govt, everyone's got a free pass to be a complete ass now.

[English_M_in_Bkk]

I know the feeling son, I went flying over the handlebar of my bike at 80kph last night and bounced down the road in heavy traffic. Not a singular Thai stopped to help me.

TexasRanger pointed out on a thread I opened about it on the general forum that you can potentially get jailed for giving first aid.

What kind of brain damaged moronic thinking is that? It's disgraceful.

I have had two crashes in Bangkok on bikes, and both times Thais have been incredibly helpful - made sure I was OK, took the bike to the side of the road, and one couple stayed with me till the 'ambulance' arrived.

[joepattaya1961]

I wonder what the EMTs are going?

The EMT's arrive and I think it's 2 different clubs of EMT's but before they even touch the victim they are almost 2 minutes busy in taking pictures and making videos.

[Thai at Heart]

Three wise monkeys in the store? Shocking but not unexpected. Echoing another topic on here, the complete indifference of a lot of Thai's to any problems or issues but their own or people they know well.

It's not the Thailand of even 3 or 4 years ago anymore, is it?

I think you are right. Something has really changed. I'm off tomorrow. I am not going to leave my kids here to live in this system.

Maybe other people don't see it or don't agree with it, but as far as I am concerned since just before 2010 the corruption, arrogance, thievery, bad attitudes, xenophobia have just gone through the roof as far as I am concerned. And it's not just simply that things are reported more often, I'm talking about what I "see" day to day. It's as if with the change in Govt, everyone's got a free pass to be a complete ass now.

I agree, it's changed. When u throw in the cost of schooling to a reasonable level and health insurance to a reasonable level, back home looks relatively cheap.

Then throw in a functioning legal system, the ability to invest in a home for your family without risking losing it, actually own your own company without risking losing control of it etc etc.

I am at a point also now, that it's now it never for the kids, so, time to go. I saw a friend go through a divorce here which was surprisingly equitable, but hearing his ex missus prattling on about how it was all hers and the way she basically obstructed the whole system, one has to conclude that it is a ridiculously inequitable deal for farangs to live and get ahead here.

I've had enough, the schools are basically crap, the daily violence is too much, drugs are everywhere, corruption is rising.

If you want just the tiniest luxury in your life things are exorbitant in reality. throw in the impending problems coming to Thailand, I don't want to be sitting in red country if things get heated, and this time round I think they will.

My rosy tints have worn off

But back to the op, this type of violence is rising, I have no doubt.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Thai at Heart

[stickyrice2000]

I don't blame them. They are afraid (citing from their conversation in the video) and have to be concern for their safety first. Even though they did not open the door, I am sure that they contacted the police to report this incident.

Teenagers in Thailand are extremely violent nowaday. It is almost a norm to beat up other students from different institution. It's their ideal of being cool.

Edited August 20, 2013 by stickyrice2000

[TackyToo]

I know the feeling son, I went flying over the handlebar of my bike at 80kph last night and bounced down the road in heavy traffic. Not a singular Thai stopped to help me.

TexasRanger pointed out on a thread I opened about it on the general forum that you can potentially get jailed for giving first aid.

What kind of brain damaged moronic thinking is that? It's disgraceful.

You need help after an accident or been beaten up? Wave with your ATM-card to open Thai hearts and doors! In this case it gives even more insight what the true meaning of "Thai rak Thai" is...

[A1Str8]

I know the feeling son, I went flying over the handlebar of my bike at 80kph last night and bounced down the road in heavy traffic. Not a singular Thai stopped to help me.

TexasRanger pointed out on a thread I opened about it on the general forum that you can potentially get jailed for giving first aid.

What kind of brain damaged moronic thinking is that? It's disgraceful.

Hope you are alright and will get better soon.

In my opinion the reason thais didnt stop and helped was not because you could go to jail for giving first aid but simply because they dont give a .....!

Its similar to the rushing ambulance cars..they dont care about them and never let them pass.

[Just1Voice]

I've been warned and told by my Thai wife many times to never, every stop to help, because being a farang, they would find a way to twist things to make it my fault. For me, that's an extremely difficult thing to do because I have been trained on how to provide emergency first aid, from 20 years in the Marines, to becoming a licensed EMT back in the States. But there was one incident where I told her to shut up and stopped to get out and help. Old Thai man, late 70's, sideswiped by some a**hole in a Mercedes, sending the bike crashing to the ground and tossing the old man about 20 feet. No helmet, naturally. The driver of the car just kept going, of course. I pulled over, jumped out and saw his injuries and immediately started doing what I could to help. People were just gawking, staring and pointing fingers at me. When I jumped out of the car, the first thing my wife did was call her cousin-n-law who is a Senior Sergeant Major and told him what going on. He broke some speed limits to get there.

Before he arrived, 2 other police had, and were trying to get me away from the old man. My wife explained to them that I was a licensed first aid worker in my country, and I knew what I was doing, but that didn't matter, they were on the verge of arresting me when cousin-in-law showed up to handle things. Emergency crews finally arrived and took the old man to the hospital. I was allow to go, with one very ticked off wife who just had to let me know how stupid I was, till I finally told her to shut up in a way that let her know further words were not wanted or needed.

Two days later a pick up pulls up in front of our house with 6 people in it. The wife of the old man and his 5 kids. they had gotten my name and address from the police. They brought me a gift basket, and insisted I let them do the pouring of water over my hands, saying the doctors told them that if the old man had not received the help I had given him, he mostly likely would have died before getting to the hospital.

In 5 years, that's the only time I've stopped, and while it could have turned out badly for me, in the end it actually turned out very good. Never once was I "threatened" by some type of law suit, but was given praise and thanks from a grateful family. Which just goes to show that not all Thai are always looking for a way to extort from the farang, and some are actually grateful.

NOTE: Edited for some typos

Edited August 20, 2013 by Just1Voice

[phosphorescent]

That one brush which most of you are using to paint all Thais with is worn down to the nub. People are people, some are good and some not so good. Things are not getting worse, they have always been the same and after spending close to half my life here, I still feel very lucky to be able to call Thailand my home.

Edited August 20, 2013 by phosphorescent

[Estrada]

Three wise monkeys in the store? Shocking but not unexpected. Echoing another topic on here, the complete indifference of a lot of Thai's to any problems or issues but their own or people they know well.

It's not the Thailand of even 3 or 4 years ago anymore, is it?

You must mean 30 or 40 years ago, certainly not 3 or 4 years ago. Nothing has changed, in the last 20 years there have been many fights between rival students all over Bangkok, on the street and buses. Some students have murdered other students with guns, knives or due to beatings. The difference now is that there are cameras everywhere which hopefully can catch the perpetrators.

[nosatisfaction]

@culicine, I agree with you on that. I know back in my country (UK) a lot of people would not help you, either in fear of them getting beaten themselves, or sued.

unfortunately this is the same everywhere in the world, not worse in LOS

[nosatisfaction]

To help, or not to help, that's the question...

a) According to numerous forum topics, if you try to help a person during or after a fight, you are utterly stupid and deserve the beating that will descend upon you.

According to many responses in this thread, if you don't help you are a disgrace to mankind at large and society as a whole.

My opinion is, if you come across such a situation, try to assess it first before deciding on either a) or, and just follow your own conscience and common sense, and screw any other opinion, mine included.

What happened to ??

I do notice there is a lot less reaction to this topic than if it were a farang, OK,OK, Thai Visa, still.

[Briggsy]

Thailand is a hierarchical society.

If you get involved by trying to help and you don't have the power, authority or status within society to be a decision maker, then you can end up in prison if the victim dies or beaten up by others if your actions are misconstrued or misunderstood.

That is why the golden rule in Thailand is don't help and don't get involved. It is not because you don't want to but you must consider your position within the hierarchy. Power trumps all here.

[nosatisfaction]

By the way, it comes to my mind I never was agressed or whatever for helping a Thai lady with a baby in her arm holding her trolley at the shop as she took out her shopping, or helping an old lady, in different shop, taking a pack water because too high for her. Maybe it is all a matter of mutual respect.

I also never was bothered in any way when I went drinking in bars where there were or not farang, I even go bars where only Thai and police go

[Ianatlarge]

I suggest two thoughts:

a. It has not gotten worse, few helped strangers in the past.

b. Likely the staff were fearful of getting involved in a dispute.

[johntren]

Welcome to Asia. (China's even worse)

Yes. When I was living in Taiwan (ok, China sort-of-ish) someone told me that once a person saves another person's life (s)he is responsible for the rescued person for evermore. It's not logical to me, but when i followed it up I discovered that lots of Taiwanese believed it was better to turn away than assume responsibility for a stranger for the rest of your life.

[SOTIRIOS]

Very unfortunate. Its called bystander syndorme. Here people would not want to help as the general mindset is that the person helping will fall into trouble. Sometimes even accused by the person he helps.

The age of helping a fellow human being is lost. Well at least in LOS. Very disturbing.

My sympathies to the young student.

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...would it have been too much to call the police...or even sound off the store alarm...

[hellodolly]

I know the feeling son, I went flying over the handlebar of my bike at 80kph last night and bounced down the road in heavy traffic. Not a singular Thai stopped to help me.

TexasRanger pointed out on a thread I opened about it on the general forum that you can potentially get jailed for giving first aid.

What kind of brain damaged moronic thinking is that? It's disgraceful.

In the states you run the risk of being sued giving first aid to a person.

[Mampara]

Three wise monkeys in the store? Shocking but not unexpected. Echoing another topic on here, the complete indifference of a lot of Thai's to any problems or issues but their own or people they know well.

It's not the Thailand of even 3 or 4 years ago anymore, is it?

No its not, those days men were men and women loved them. nowadays its difficult to distinguish men, and women are scared of them.

[thaichalina]

Nobody refuses to help it's just women inside 7 eleven said she was scared and she didn't want let him in store so she call medics and cops and medics came 5 minutes after and they help him.What all fuzz around here? to many butthurt farangs who hate thai more than everything they just wait story like that so they can unleash they "this only happens here"

Edited August 20, 2013 by thaichalina