Nana Police officers on the run after abducting Italian tourists and demanding Bt2m ransom

[jacko45k]

This sounds familiar.

My wife mentioned that there is a new kind of ATM scam in Thailand now. The scammers leave an ATM card with the PIN written on the back on the ground at the ATM. If someone picks it up and puts it into the machine, the cops swoop down and 'arrest' and extort this person.

I found an ATM card still in the slot of an ATM recently, I gave it to the security guy as I was in one of those little ATM rooms attached to a sub-branch. But what you describe is good warning.... many would try the card there and then.

As to the OP... what a daring scam attempt.

Edited August 24, 2013 by jacko45k

[Pops]

And not low ranking one is a police lieutenant

A couple of years ago a similar kidnapping happened in Bangkok with an American being kidnapped for ransom.

The cops found this man through sms-es the man's maid received during the kidnapping from the kidnappers.

As it turned out she was involved.

Man was found after several days in some townhouse in the outskirts of Bangkok tied to a bed.

He had been tortured and beaten to retrieve his bank info.

Kidnappers were fellow Americans, Thai police officers and Thai immigration officers (even a colonel).

This gang, supposedly, had done similar kidnappings before.

Nothing new in the Land of Smiles.

Mostly though, the kidnappings are done, by throwing people in jail on false charges, to let them buy their way out.

Same game, different play !

[jpeg]

And not low ranking one is a police lieutenant

Having 'liked' that, in my experience the fish stinks from the head. The pond life shuttle the funds up. My local bent as fck 'Captain' was transferred to the bomb infested South after many years having his snout in the huge trough. His replacement is a really good guy There are good cops, just far too few.

[spidermike007]

no such thing as nana police though the article does mention lumpini later.

its rather funny really as the wording suggests that bad nana police committed the crime, while good lumpini police saved the day.

in fact nana police are from lumpini station.

interestingly, if they were apprehended at soi 57 sukhumvit, the responding police should have been from thonglor station.

By all accounts the bib at thonglor are even more corrupt, please dont call them police...in essence thailand does not have a police force in the true sense.

I always refer to them as a revenue collection agency, not a law enforcement agency. One of these years the government is going to have to get serious about paying them a real salary, giving them state of the art forensic equipment and labs, and hiring specialists who can perform the work. Until then, the LOS remains the laughing stock of the world in terms of law enforcement. Of course, they will have to improve the courts too. Until then, little in the way of a deterrent.

Paying them a real salery? do you really think to give them more money would stop them being hardened criminals? i rather think they would consider is a small bonus and carry on as before, they are way past reform...infact light years past.

But, I think you missed my point entirely. The point was that until they are able to pay real salaries, that a man can support his family on, he will be compelled to make up for it in other areas. The government knows this, and accepts this. There is no fight in them. If they were willing to step up, and start paying well, maybe there would be a chance of reform. Maybe. Not saying it would happen, but it would allow some honest guys to perform an honest job. It would at least give them the option. Change has to start somewhere right?

[Bpuumike]

no such thing as nana police though the article does mention lumpini later.

its rather funny really as the wording suggests that bad nana police committed the crime, while good lumpini police saved the day.

in fact nana police are from lumpini station.

interestingly, if they were apprehended at soi 57 sukhumvit, the responding police should have been from thonglor station.

By all accounts the bib at thonglor are even more corrupt, please dont call them police...in essence thailand does not have a police force in the true sense.

Someone on TV once best described them as franchises.

[nosatisfaction]

no such thing as nana police though the article does mention lumpini later.

its rather funny really as the wording suggests that bad nana police committed the crime, while good lumpini police saved the day.

in fact nana police are from lumpini station.

interestingly, if they were apprehended at soi 57 sukhumvit, the responding police should have been from thonglor station.

Yes completely correct, but what happened to the Uzbeki one? Maybe member of Tourist Police?

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[monty1412]

This is absolutely terrifying. I hope the guilty will be severely punished to set an example to the police force.

You are right of course but the words cops and punishment rarely go together

There is one thing I still don’t understand. Every cop is swearing an oath to the King and Country to become a member of the “Royal Thai Police.” I suggest charging every corrupt and criminal cop for “lese majeste” (minimum 5 years imprisonment) because they’re breaking the oath. Hence, they would be due to be punished for every wrongdoing according to the law, instead of sending them to inactive posts?

Yes often wondered about this but a wholesale application of lese majeste against everyone who essentially breaks an oath they make to The King and Country would see most of the police force, just about all of the politicians, a fair percentage of civil servants and just about every village administation in the land charged.. Hang on Hang on idea... if they did this and did lock the offenders up en masse then in one neat swoop you could solve Bangkok traffic problems as the number of the people around would halve and if you fed them a staple diet of rice you would get rid of the rice mountains they have accumulated as well.

[skyaslimit]

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I wonder if the various CONSULATES, Italian or other, will do anything in response to this? (Other than order lunch and take a long afternoon siesta...)

After all, foreigners getting picked off the street at random in the heart of Bangkok and held for ransom by real Thai police (using that term advisedly) is even more extreme and offensive than 200 baht tuk-tuk fares in Phuket and jet-ski scammery in Pattaya.

Where are the officials who are supposed to be representing foreigners here in Thailand, and will they have anything to say on this latest outrage???

[NCFC]

Thailand is needing an Elliot Ness.

Scrub that, it's actually needing a couple of hundred thousand Elliot Ness's.

In my opinion there's only one way to end this level of police corruption. First of all raise the level of pay to the point where the job is truly worth doing in the first place, and hope to attract graduates.

Two, bring a bigger dog to the fight. The biggest in the country are the army. Tell the army commanders that for every conviction they get, they will get the entire proceeds of crime recovered from that officer. If that's his house, his savings, his land, the whole lot then great.

Police officers will go white with shock when army soldiers kick their door in at 5.00am. Give them a 20 year sentence to think about it too. If the public thought the army would do something about it the phones would be red hot.

They should make me Prime Minister for a day, but I think I'd get done in before breakfast.

Oh well, scrub that idea.

The army is as corrupt as the police, they just use different means to screw Thailand for every baht they can.

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[hawker9000]

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

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JUST out of curiousity, what is your source for this "reputation of well educated and trained police force"? Something within the last 10 yrs; or even 20 yrs (emphasis on this concept of "reputation" to be spoiled)? Not saying it can't get even worse, but...............

(Actually though, no one's really questioning the RTP's education or training here, and I noticed you astutely stepped around the matter of integrity & professionalism. Clever.)

Edited August 24, 2013 by hawker9000

[Badbanker]

People in Dark Blue shirts at Thai police are normally other world aliens!

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.
Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

[skyaslimit]

People in Dark Blue shirts at Thai police are normally other world aliens!

 

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

Aliens they are....

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[skyaslimit]

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

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JUST out of curiousity, what is your source for this "reputation of well educated and trained police force"?  Something within the last 10 yrs; or even 20 yrs (emphasis on this concept of "reputation" to be spoiled)?  Not saying it can't get even worse, but...............   

 

(Actually though, no one's really questioning the RTP's education or training here, and I noticed you astutely stepped around the matter of integrity & professionalism. Clever.)

You don't have to be curious, my personal experience with RTP is good enough source for me.

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[Dumu Ali]

If you wanna see pure Lumpini corruption jus look at all the drug dealers in the Arab and Iranian nightclubs with Syrian dancers and ICE and of course most drug dealers in Soi Africa have fake passports and sell drugs openly on the street while police turn blind eyes - Do not forget to rate this topic 5 stars at top of page as it is the best topic on Thai Visa as there are so many important problems here in one shot

1) Uzbeki Soviet Extortion Cartel with BiB links

2) Thai Forces Kidnapping innocent public for bribe and extortion

3) Mass corruption in the 2 most corrupt areas of Thailand - Lumpini and Tonglor

4) Mass drug dealing and harboring of criminals in the areas with the most drug dealing - Lumpini and Tonglor

5) The street belongs to the public but lumpini police turn it to a brother bar from mindnight to 5am

6) Arab and Uzbeki prostitutes are on sale especially upstairs in the Rajah hotel one of Bangkok's biggest brothels for terrorists from middle east

7) Lumpini has biggest Ladyboy pickpocket and drug your John gang in Thailand

8) Dr BJs in Sukhumvit 7/1 is the new haven for UK and Aussie boiler room scammers

Edited August 24, 2013 by Dumu Ali

[tingtongfarang]

I have a hard time to imagine how the instigator came up with this plan from the start, then talks to a few of his chums and says....

Got this great plan, we wait for a farang to put his card in then tell his card is fake, then we kidnap him along with friends or family and take them to the hotel, if we really put the squeeze on maybe they cough up 2 mil...jing jing!

Then i begin to wonder how many times they pulled it off, but i,m sure they have a long list of well practiced crimes ready to put into action

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8) Dr BJs in Sukhumvit 7/1 is the new haven for UK and Aussie boiler room scammers

Do you mean they're dropping by for after-work BJs after a long hard day of scamming their fellow countrymen???

Taking the edge off a bit, as it were??? Refreshed and renewed to start another day scamming???

[EricBerg]

Spread the news, keep reposting, have friends outside of Thailand call the police and newspapera in bkk to ask when and where the trial will be, send e-mails to tour-operators asking if it is safe to travel to bkk/Thailand. Ask what parts of town are unsafe etc.

Ask Thai friends/relatives about how they feel about this and other corruption. In the long long run all this may have some meaningful result.

Western ambassadors expressing their concern as a group recently got some coverage and lead to minor superficial action (jetski- and taxi-scams). If tourism and foreign investments suffer then the bad guys on top will try to clean up at the basis some more. From there the long road to real cleaning can start. There just isn't any fast working detergent. Yet passive complaining/sulking never did any good.

[Beetlejuice]

A Uzbeki man and 4 officers approached and held the Italians first in an empty building and then taken to a hotel.

Crazy.

Edited August 24, 2013 by Beetlejuice

[H1w4yR1da]

there are plenty of underpaid, essentially honest men labouring under a reprehensibly corrupt and cynical system who must finance their own transport, uniforms, and weapons on a salary that is entirely laughable.

Sorry, but that's a ridiculous argument.

They knew the salary level and extra expenses before applying and yet still joined the BIB. No one forced them.

And where are these 'honest men' when you need them? I think they're just a figment of your imagination.

[Theoutsider]

Nana, what a suprise.

[H1w4yR1da]

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Are you being sarcastic?

If so, very funny post.

[H1w4yR1da]

You don't have to be curious, my personal experience with RTP is good enough source for me.

Oh! It appears you're not being sarcastic and actually stand by what you posted.

Well, my flabber is well and truly gasted!

[EyesWideOpen]

Well I think this is a new low for the " Royal" Thai police. Each week when a bizarre story comes out about

them, I keep hoping the bar cannot be set any lower, but each time I am surprised.. I know the police

do a lot of contract killing, but kidnapping tourists is really moving into the twilight zone...... Bet the TAT

is pissed off...... And Yingluck as well, as I am pretty sure this is not the version of " Thainess" she wishes

for the world to see.. I imagine the Italian press is having a field day with this.....

Also the Thai apologists are going to have to log a lot of google search time to find a western country

where the police kidnap tourists.

[ImNotaGuiri]

"stuff like this happens all over the world"

Are you kidding? I dont know where are you from, but I'm from a "second class" country(or third, at present I'm not sure, which level left us Merkel), and I assure you that things like this, doesn't happens.

My thai girlfriend could be as beautiful and sexy as you want, but that would not make me talk about thing as if I have no eyes or could not think by my own.

Thailand is full of mafias if there are farangs around: fruit shake mafia, chicken barbecue mafia, pad thai mafia, ambulances mafia, taxi mafia, jet ski mafia, motorcycle rental shop mafia, garage mafia, police mafia, politicians mafia… and all-what-u-want-mafia. But most of thais love that style, and will not be easy to make them see what we can see. They will not see anything negative in all these things. Thailand it's the number one in the world, dind't you know?

But simmer down, enjoy the landscapes, the weather, the girls… and tries to talk to them only about trivial things, or just join your countrymen in bars and have no connection with the Thais, just to ask for the bill of what you eat or drink…

[rebelplatoon]

No way!!!! Really? The POLICE does this?!

[baboon]

And not low ranking one is a police lieutenant

Having 'liked' that, in my experience the fish stinks from the head. The pond life shuttle the funds up. My local bent as fck 'Captain' was transferred to the bomb infested South after many years having his snout in the huge trough.

And Bangkok wonders why the southerners are so pissed off when their home is a dumping ground for crap officials?

[tingtongfarang]

please accept they wont take any options available infact that would be more money down the drain, i believe the government is anyway quite happy with the status quo and have no intentions to change anything in the rtp, they are on the payrole so to speak and available for any criminal deeds if the price is right,

Paying them a real salery? do you really think to give them more money would stop them being hardened criminals? i rather think they would consider is a small bonus and carry on as before, they are way past reform...infact light years past.

But, I think you missed my point entirely. The point was that until they are able to pay real salaries, that a man can support his family on, he will be compelled to make up for it in other areas. The government knows this, and accepts this. There is no fight in them. If they were willing to step up, and start paying well, maybe there would be a chance of reform. Maybe. Not saying it would happen, but it would allow some honest guys to perform an honest job. It would at least give them the option. Change has to start somewhere right?

its this pesky internet along with social media they cant get to grips with and are somehow at a loss like headless chickens when these things go viral, apart from that nothing has changed in the way all government officials opperate.

[hawker9000]

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

sent by skyaslimit using thaivisa forum mobile app.

JUST out of curiousity, what is your source for this "reputation of well educated and trained police force"? Something within the last 10 yrs; or even 20 yrs (emphasis on this concept of "reputation" to be spoiled)? Not saying it can't get even worse, but...............

(Actually though, no one's really questioning the RTP's education or training here, and I noticed you astutely stepped around the matter of integrity & professionalism. Clever.)

You don't have to be curious, my personal experience with RTP is good enough source for me.

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Oh, thanks, but I'm just naturally the curious type I guess. (I don't find that exclusive dependency on personal experience really lets me know the truth of things since there's quite a big world outside my front door). So your one personal experience with the RTP constitutes a "reputation", at least as far as you're concerned? I see. Well, that might not really prove persuasive for some, in the face of years, and a steady stream, of OTHERS' "personal experiences". Stories of the corruption are rivaled only by the number of crimes & scams against foreigners in Phuket, and I guess grains of sand on the beach. But based on your one experience, for you, it's all just rumor & hearsay, and doesn't exist. I have to ask, since it's "good enough", do you base all your knowledge exclusively on "personal experience"? I guess education, let alone the news, is pretty much a huge waste of time for you, eh? Well, 'have to respect that. Each to his own.

[skyaslimit]

It is too sad to see some junior officers spoiling the reputation of well educated and trained police force as RTP.

Who is the guy in blue t shirt?

sent by skyaslimit using thaivisa forum mobile app.

JUST out of curiousity, what is your source for this "reputation of well educated and trained police force"? Something within the last 10 yrs; or even 20 yrs (emphasis on this concept of "reputation" to be spoiled)? Not saying it can't get even worse, but...............

(Actually though, no one's really questioning the RTP's education or training here, and I noticed you astutely stepped around the matter of integrity & professionalism. Clever.)

You don't have to be curious, my personal experience with RTP is good enough source for me.

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Oh, thanks, but I'm just naturally the curious type I guess. (I don't find that exclusive dependency on personal experience really lets me know the truth of things since there's quite a big world outside my front door). So your one personal experience with the RTP constitutes a "reputation", at least as far as you're concerned? I see. Well, that might not really prove persuasive for some, in the face of years, and a steady stream, of OTHERS' "personal experiences". Stories of the corruption are rivaled only by the number of crimes & scams against foreigners in Phuket, and I guess grains of sand on the beach. But based on your one experience, for you, it's all just rumor & hearsay, and doesn't exist. I have to ask, since it's "good enough", do you base all your knowledge exclusively on "personal experience"? I guess education, let alone the news, is pretty much a huge waste of time for you, eh? Well, 'have to respect that. Each to his own.

It seems that you didn't read my first post carefully? the big world outside of your front door is exactly the place where I lives and I do not beat the drums only on negativity, after reading your current post I am sure you don't know much about RTP except the "NEWS" and you are going to stick with it for your satisfaction.