Complaint accuses 2 Democrats of tarnishing Thailand's image

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Complaint accuses 2 Democrats of tarnishing country's image
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- The lawyer of the red-shirt Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship yesterday filed a petition asking the Ombudsman to launch an investigation against two Democrat MPs for allegedly assaulting and intimidating on-duty police officers at a House of Representatives session.

In the petition handed to the Office of the Ombudsman's spokesman Rakkecha Chaechai, Thanadet Puangpun accused Surat Thani MP Thani Thueksuban and Uthai Thani MP Kulladej Puapattanakul of failing to comply with regulations and assaulting on-duty police officials on August 20.

The petition said the MPs had violated Parliament Directives 11 and 16, brought disgrace to the House and tarnished the country's image.

Rakkecha said he would present the petition to the Ombudsman soon.


-- The Nation 2013-08-29

[lujanit]

2 Democrats tarnishing Thailand's image 555555555555555555555555

[ABCer]

Being not educated enough in Thai version of Democracy, would somebody on TV explain to me:

Are Police supervising Sessions of Thai Parliament?

My feeble notion of Democratic process was leaving Police to protect Parliament from outside interference, or am I wrong?

Usually the Members of Parliament enjoy immunity no matter what they say or do during the Session, don't they?

A more general question: - when a person's opinion is wrong? Can it be wrong? Sorry, never went to school in Thailand...

[NongKhaiKid]

2 Democrats tarnishing Thailand's image 555555555555555555555555

Thai politicians' behaviour is childish at the best of times but n an effort to cotrol PTP take it to new levels. All of this playground behaviour is a disgrace in itself and these people still expect, no demand, respect.

They will of course over look their faults, well they don't actually have any, but what about the picture of a PTP MP sound alseep in the House with a colleague taking his photo ?

When it comes to tarnishing the country's image how about a certain cabinet minister photographed / videoed as a falling down drunk in Hong Kong and Malaysia ?

[Siripon]

Pheua Thai claiming the Democrats are tarnishing the country's image! 5555555

Their comedy act of a govenment reaches new heights of absurdity

[crusader79]

This obsession with the country's image is pretty funny, especially considering that Thailand already has more "image" than most other countries can handle!

[Pimay1]

2 Democrats tarnishing Thailand's image 555555555555555555555555

Thai politicians' behaviour is childish at the best of times but n an effort to cotrol PTP take it to new levels. All of this playground behaviour is a disgrace in itself and these people still expect, no demand, respect.

They will of course over look their faults, well they don't actually have any, but what about the picture of a PTP MP sound alseep in the House with a colleague taking his photo ?

When it comes to tarnishing the country's image how about a certain cabinet minister photographed / videoed as a falling down drunk in Hong Kong and Malaysia ?

Lest we forget the PTP MP caught a couple of weeks ago viewing a girly site on his iPad.

[Robby nz]

Surely the stories of rice that has been sold overseas and is being dumped or returned because it is unfit to eat would tarnish Thailand's image far more.

Thailand used to be a country known for a quality rice product and in 2 years this Govt has not only lost the country the spot of the worlds top rice exporter but destroyed the reputation for producing and selling top quality rice.

With, we are told, 17million tons of rice of doubtful quality still in storage there would seem little or no chance of ever getting back a reputation of quality.

Tarnishing Thailand's image indeed.

[DocN]

They tarnished it more, than the Red Bull-heir, drunk (and drugged) driving, killing a policeman, speeding, bribing, etc. and still walking free?

...or even more than the 2 songkhran- girls, dancing with their t-shirts off?

I am confused..

Edited August 29, 2013 by DocN

[Thaddeus]

How old are these people who are allegedly running the country, do they have a nanny to tuck them in at night?

This level of childishness is formed from insecurity usually.

[Nickymaster]

At the same time...

PT MP watches nude girls on his tablet in parliament and the PT house speaker orders RIOT Police to intimidate the democrats while PT is trying to whitewash criminals and the PT PM is visiting one of the most corrupt countries in the world, Tajikistan, to create "opportunities"..

Bad Dems!

Edited August 29, 2013 by Nickymaster

[slapout]

To say the Thai image is/was tarnished would seem to be a upgrade in image. It is hard to hurt the reputation of the present leadership of Thailand, just do not try to include the general Thai people in the same boat, you are at the helm of. (some would call it a floating sh.t wagon which has a bad leak)

The people who care, see Thailand for what it is, not what some PR group try to make it. The pointing finger, blame farang, preceived insult which leads to thuggery, etc has run its course. Its time to man up to problems, find real solutions, and proceed with a course of action that benifets Thailand.

[ricardofel]

Thailand tarnishes Thailand image...let me count the ways...too many to count!

[Utley]

Thailand first tarnished their image when they aligned themselves with Japan during WW II and allowed themselves to be enslaved by their new masters.

When they work that one off, we can start talking about their banana republic behaviour in the guise of democracy.

Me thinks the emperor has no clothes.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Utley

[Bakseeda]

To say the Thai image is/was tarnished would seem to be a upgrade in image. It is hard to hurt the reputation of the present leadership of Thailand, just do not try to include the general Thai people in the same boat, you are at the helm of. (some would call it a floating sh.t wagon which has a bad leak)

The people who care, see Thailand for what it is, not what some PR group try to make it. The pointing finger, blame farang, preceived insult which leads to thuggery, etc has run its course. Its time to man up to problems, find real solutions, and proceed with a course of action that benifets Thailand.

Dream on...

[ggold]

2 Democrats tarnishing Thailand's image 555555555555555555555555

Thai politicians' behaviour is childish at the best of times but n an effort to cotrol PTP take it to new levels. All of this playground behaviour is a disgrace in itself and these people still expect, no demand, respect.

They will of course over look their faults, well they don't actually have any, but what about the picture of a PTP MP sound alseep in the House with a colleague taking his photo ?

When it comes to tarnishing the country's image how about a certain cabinet minister photographed / videoed as a falling down drunk in Hong Kong and Malaysia ?

Or taking ones boot off during a debate and waving it at the opposition! Don't know his name but was told he is a police officer as well as a politician.

[hansnl]

The PTP speaker was at fault.

If he was indeed feeling threatened, he should have closed the proceedings and left the house.

By calling in the police to form a human shield around him he expressly tried to intimidate the opposition.

Also he wanted the police to remove soma MP's from the house, clearly meant to silence the protests from the opposition

The most stupid thing, he degraded the law-giving body of the country to being under the control of a law enforcing body.

And what is more, he showed the world that the Thai parliament is treated by the coalition majority as a body to enforce rules and laws only meant to be profitable for their own sake.

And not for all the people.

Very shamefull.

[EyesWideOpen]

Well, if tarnishing the image of Thailand is a crime, guess the entire PTP government may as well

turn themselves into the police before warrants are issued for them.....

[geriatrickid]

Pheua Thai claiming the Democrats are tarnishing the country's image! 5555555

Their comedy act of a govenment reaches new heights of absurdity

How about you consider the issue first?

Did the 2 MPS assault the police officers?

Yes or No?

If Yes, your position is that it is okay to do so.

The complaint is the appropriate procedure to follow if the MPs did assault the police officers. If there was no assault the Ombudsman's office will rule accordingly.

There is nothing wrong with following procedures to seek redress. With your reasoning, MPs can assault whoever they wish. If a PTP MP assaulted a police officer at the legislature, the Democrats or other interested parties could request the same investigation. The key here is that it is the 2 Democrats alleged to have assaulted the police officers.

[geriatrickid]

The PTP speaker was at fault.

If he was indeed feeling threatened, he should have closed the proceedings and left the house.

By calling in the police to form a human shield around him he expressly tried to intimidate the opposition.

Also he wanted the police to remove soma MP's from the house, clearly meant to silence the protests from the opposition

The most stupid thing, he degraded the law-giving body of the country to being under the control of a law enforcing body.

And what is more, he showed the world that the Thai parliament is treated by the coalition majority as a body to enforce rules and laws only meant to be profitable for their own sake.

And not for all the people.

Very shamefull.

No. The Speaker should not give in to intimidation, which is what the MPs were trying to do. The Speaker was not seeking to indtimidate anyone, but was taking the appropriate measures to ensure that he could carry on in his duty despite the behaviour of the aggressive parties.

How can you argue that the Speaker "degraded (sic) the country by being under the control of a law enforcing body"? Do you not understand that the police did precisely what the law says, and that is to enforce the existing civil laws and to PROTECT law abiding officials. Who would you expect to be responsible for law enforcement? Abhisit's courtiers? The police officers acted in a lawful manner to protect the institution of government from a violent assault. This is what they do in all parliamentary democracies.

What is shameful is your view of expecting a legislative body to shut down operations because a small number of deputies become abusive and violent. Run and hide if you want, but the government must continue to function. It cannot suspend operations every time a dissenting MP has a tantrum for show.

Edited August 29, 2013 by geriatrickid

[Nickymaster]

Pheua Thai claiming the Democrats are tarnishing the country's image! 5555555

Their comedy act of a govenment reaches new heights of absurdity

How about you consider the issue first?

Did the 2 MPS assault the police officers?

Yes or No?

If Yes, your position is that it is okay to do so.

The complaint is the appropriate procedure to follow if the MPs did assault the police officers. If there was no assault the Ombudsman's office will rule accordingly.

There is nothing wrong with following procedures to seek redress. With your reasoning, MPs can assault whoever they wish. If a PTP MP assaulted a police officer at the legislature, the Democrats or other interested parties could request the same investigation. The key here is that it is the 2 Democrats alleged to have assaulted the police officers.

Deleted my post. Decided not to waste time with a guy that types with one hand when he defends Thaksin ans his corrupt PT machine.

Edited August 29, 2013 by Nickymaster

[gl555]

Red shirts crying about assault and intimidation! Oh the irony!

[gl555]

Oh yes and we always seem to forget that the red shirts do the very same thing too when there's something that doesn't go their way.

The PTP speaker was at fault.

If he was indeed feeling threatened, he should have closed the proceedings and left the house.

By calling in the police to form a human shield around him he expressly tried to intimidate the opposition.

Also he wanted the police to remove soma MP's from the house, clearly meant to silence the protests from the opposition

The most stupid thing, he degraded the law-giving body of the country to being under the control of a law enforcing body.

And what is more, he showed the world that the Thai parliament is treated by the coalition majority as a body to enforce rules and laws only meant to be profitable for their own sake.

And not for all the people.

Very shamefull.

No. The Speaker should not give in to intimidation, which is what the MPs were trying to do. The Speaker was not seeking to indtimidate anyone, but was taking the appropriate measures to ensure that he could carry on in his duty despite the behaviour of the aggressive parties.

How can you argue that the Speaker "degraded (sic) the country by being under the control of a law enforcing body"? Do you not understand that the police did precisely what the law says, and that is to enforce the existing civil laws and to PROTECT law abiding officials. Who would you expect to be responsible for law enforcement? Abhisit's courtiers? The police officers acted in a lawful manner to protect the institution of government from a violent assault. This is what they do in all parliamentary democracies.

What is shameful is your view of expecting a legislative body to shut down operations because a small number of deputies become abusive and violent. Run and hide if you want, but the government must continue to function. It cannot suspend operations every time a dissenting MP has a tantrum for show.

[Pimay1]

Pheua Thai claiming the Democrats are tarnishing the country's image! 5555555

Their comedy act of a govenment reaches new heights of absurdity

How about you consider the issue first?

Did the 2 MPS assault the police officers?

Yes or No?

If Yes, your position is that it is okay to do so.

The complaint is the appropriate procedure to follow if the MPs did assault the police officers. If there was no assault the Ombudsman's office will rule accordingly.

There is nothing wrong with following procedures to seek redress. With your reasoning, MPs can assault whoever they wish. If a PTP MP assaulted a police officer at the legislature, the Democrats or other interested parties could request the same investigation. The key here is that it is the 2 Democrats alleged to have assaulted the police officers.

OMG, are you defending Somsak, the guy who prepared riot police to intimidate Dem MPs?

I think it was a total set up. Somsak arranged for the riot police beforehand. Then he denied the right of the Democrats to debate on the bill which he knew would lead to a confrontation. Called in the riot police, went perfectly as planned.

[mrtoad]

The irony.

[MikeOboe57]

Pheua Thai claiming the Democrats are tarnishing the country's image! 5555555

Their comedy act of a govenment reaches new heights of absurdity

How about you consider the issue first?

Did the 2 MPS assault the police officers?

Yes or No?

If Yes, your position is that it is okay to do so.

The complaint is the appropriate procedure to follow if the MPs did assault the police officers. If there was no assault the Ombudsman's office will rule accordingly.

There is nothing wrong with following procedures to seek redress. With your reasoning, MPs can assault whoever they wish. If a PTP MP assaulted a police officer at the legislature, the Democrats or other interested parties could request the same investigation. The key here is that it is the 2 Democrats alleged to have assaulted the police officers.

Maybe you consider first the purpose of police in parliament?

Different country, same intention: Choke off Democracy.

Antonio Tejero Molinas, Lieutenant Colonel of the Spanish Guardia Civil in the Lower House of Parliament, 23rd February 1981.

[rametindallas]

What could tarnish a country's image more than having its government and police openly controlled by a fugitive, felon, ex prime minister who lives in a foreign country?

[bigbamboo]

If they assaulted the police then they should be punished but claiming these two have tarnished the image of the Thailand compared with countless other Thai MPs is hilarious!

Edited August 29, 2013 by bigbamboo

[lungmi]

The PTP speaker was at fault.

If he was indeed feeling threatened, he should have closed the proceedings and left the house.

By calling in the police to form a human shield around him he expressly tried to intimidate the opposition.

Also he wanted the police to remove soma MP's from the house, clearly meant to silence the protests from the opposition

The most stupid thing, he degraded the law-giving body of the country to being under the control of a law enforcing body.

And what is more, he showed the world that the Thai parliament is treated by the coalition majority as a body to enforce rules and laws only meant to be profitable for their own sake.

And not for all the people.

Very shamefull.

No. The Speaker should not give in to intimidation, which is what the MPs were trying to do. The Speaker was not seeking to indtimidate anyone, but was taking the appropriate measures to ensure that he could carry on in his duty despite the behaviour of the aggressive parties.

How can you argue that the Speaker "degraded (sic) the country by being under the control of a law enforcing body"? Do you not understand that the police did precisely what the law says, and that is to enforce the existing civil laws and to PROTECT law abiding officials. Who would you expect to be responsible for law enforcement? Abhisit's courtiers? The police officers acted in a lawful manner to protect the institution of government from a violent assault. This is what they do in all parliamentary democracies.

What is shameful is your view of expecting a legislative body to shut down operations because a small number of deputies become abusive and violent. Run and hide if you want, but the government must continue to function. It cannot suspend operations every time a dissenting MP has a tantrum for show.

The hack lawyer at work. Riot police in the Parliament, prepared before the event by the House Speaker. Fascist style , Nazi model.

And you blame the MPs for defending their right of free speech, cut by the House Speaker, against Thai SA?

[lungmi]

The PTP speaker was at fault.

If he was indeed feeling threatened, he should have closed the proceedings and left the house.

By calling in the police to form a human shield around him he expressly tried to intimidate the opposition.

Also he wanted the police to remove soma MP's from the house, clearly meant to silence the protests from the opposition

The most stupid thing, he degraded the law-giving body of the country to being under the control of a law enforcing body.

And what is more, he showed the world that the Thai parliament is treated by the coalition majority as a body to enforce rules and laws only meant to be profitable for their own sake.

And not for all the people.

Very shamefull.

No. The Speaker should not give in to intimidation, which is what the MPs were trying to do. The Speaker was not seeking to indtimidate anyone, but was taking the appropriate measures to ensure that he could carry on in his duty despite the behaviour of the aggressive parties.

How can you argue that the Speaker "degraded (sic) the country by being under the control of a law enforcing body"? Do you not understand that the police did precisely what the law says, and that is to enforce the existing civil laws and to PROTECT law abiding officials. Who would you expect to be responsible for law enforcement? Abhisit's courtiers? The police officers acted in a lawful manner to protect the institution of government from a violent assault. This is what they do in all parliamentary democracies.

What is shameful is your view of expecting a legislative body to shut down operations because a small number of deputies become abusive and violent. Run and hide if you want, but the government must continue to function. It cannot suspend operations every time a dissenting MP has a tantrum for show.

The hack lawyer at work. Riot police in the Parliament, prepared before the event by the House Speaker. Fascist style , Nazi model.

And you blame the MPs for defending their right of free speech, cut by the House Speaker, against Shin's SA?

Edited August 29, 2013 by lungmi