Australian election: Early exit polls point to Tony Abbott win

[AlexRRR]

Yes david im Australian and living here but not for much longer, lived in Thailand last year and pretty sure I will move there sooner rather than later.

So whats the big deal with 2 or 3000 refugees?

I mean we have policies in place to deal with it other countries have to deal with a lot more than us.

Its a media frenzy that sells news papers it was political it take our minds away from some of the obvious that became not so obvious shortfalls of government the libs used it to show up labor...and guess what? lot of people have been sucked up into the debate and it stills goes on.

Im sure im going to read soon that the refuges are costing us a packet that there taking away jobs and benefits etc which is not really true, lot of our local growth over the past 10 ys came for increased immigration so which is it?

I find it such a yawn and yes put it into perspective...lot of other countries are doing much more than us.

[Sing_Sling]

Yes david im Australian and living here but not for much longer, lived in Thailand last year and pretty sure I will move there sooner rather than later.

So whats the big deal with 2 or 3000 refugees?

I mean we have policies in place to deal with it other countries have to deal with a lot more than us.

Its a media frenzy that sells news papers it was political it take our minds away from some of the obvious that became not so obvious shortfalls of government the libs used it to show up labor...and guess what? lot of people have been sucked up into the debate and it stills goes on.

Im sure im going to read soon that the refuges are costing us a packet that there taking away jobs and benefits etc which is not really true, lot of our local growth over the past 10 ys came for increased immigration so which is it?

I find it such a yawn and yes put it into perspective...lot of other countries are doing much more than us.

Ah, perhaps you missed my response to your previous post regarding perspective . . . for your edification:

 

For the life of me I cannot understand what all the ho harr is about with "the boats"

You recon a couple of thousand refuges landing on our shores is a big deal?

To answer my own question, no one is kicking up a fuss about Burmese refuges that have been living in Thailand for years, or the hundreds of thousands of Syrians spread around the middle east and it goes on and on, Africa, middle east, Asia.

Lets put into perspective shall we.

ps a footnote, this garbage did take out mind away from a slow economy, rising unemployment and a former government that didn't have a clue how to get the place going.

Let's face it, unless Abbott decides that we send in a few thousand diggers to the ME then Syria affects Australia as much as the scab on my left finger I got from playing with my kids.

It doesn't. Not one bit. Nada. Nichts. Rien. Sweet FA

That is putting it in perspective.

Refugees heading towards Australia affects us directly.

Immigration has always been at the forefront of Australian politics - we are a nation of immigrants and our taxes will go to this issue.

That's perspective.

[BookMan]

Tony Abbott vows swift, 'more forthright' action on border security from day one

Tony Abbott has vowed ''more forthright'' interdictions of asylum-seeker vessels in the seas to Australia's north from Wednesday as he moves to put an immediate stamp on border protection.

Mr Abbott, unveiling his frontbench on Monday, set his incoming immigration minister Scott Morrison the challenging task of making a difference ''from day one'' after the government is sworn in.

''Do I think that the boats will stop dead on day one of an incoming government? I wish, but it may not happen,'' Mr Abbott said.

''But from day one the people smugglers and their customers will start to notice a very significant difference. Interdiction operations in the seas to our north will change and become more forthright.''

See Full Article Here

[BookMan]

No Science Minister in Abbotts new Ministry

The country's peak science bodies have expressed concern over Tony Abbott's new ministry, which has omitted a dedicated science minister for the first time in more than 50 years.

Not since 1931 has an Australian government been without a science minister.

Under the incoming Abbott government, the minister for industry, Ian MacFarlane, will be responsible for some areas of science, including The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.

See Full Article HErehttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html

[David48]

BookMan, thanks for the information above.

Disappointing there is no Science Minister ... even if it would be a junior Ministry.

[simple1]

No Science Minister in Abbotts new Ministry

The country's peak science bodies have expressed concern over Tony Abbott's new ministry, which has omitted a dedicated science minister for the first time in more than 50 years.

Not since 1931 has an Australian government been without a science minister.

Under the incoming Abbott government, the minister for industry, Ian MacFarlane, will be responsible for some areas of science, including The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.

See Full Article HErehttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html

All well and good to have dedicated Science Ministers for the past 50 years, but in the meantime new industry and jobs in hi tech / manufacturing have nearly disappeared from the Australian landscape. New science developments / R&D projects, other than those related to agriculture, clean coal & waterways, have nearly all been picked up by overseas organisations for commercialisation, marketing and manufacturing. Not forgetting the brain drain to places such as the US and Europe for lack of well paid jobs in Australia for scientists and leading edge R&D roles

I would have thought governments should have been working a lot harder to provide targetted skills development and facilitating appropriate investment incentives for startups and corporates. e.g. some years back Intel had shortlisted Australia and Malaysia for a high tech chip manufacturing facility worth billions in investment & jobs, Malaysia won the bid

[Sing_Sling]

No Science Minister in Abbotts new Ministry

The country's peak science bodies have expressed concern over Tony Abbott's new ministry, which has omitted a dedicated science minister for the first time in more than 50 years.

Not since 1931 has an Australian government been without a science minister.

Under the incoming Abbott government, the minister for industry, Ian MacFarlane, will be responsible for some areas of science, including The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.

See Full Article HErehttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html

My gut reaction . . . 'Bloody Hell - we're going the way of the US, betrayed by the God-Botherer'

Of course we're not going down any US-path, the electorate and pollies are far too cynical for that. Simple1's post fairly well highlighted the main arguments . . . and I agree.

Lucky country? Doubtful. Smart Country?

Was offered a job overseas fairly well right after Uni and have only been back for four years setting up and running operations for a US MNC . . . then out again - still gone. Retirement will be either in Oz or NZ

Still miss someone like Barry in Canberra, though

[BookMan]

For anyone interested, here is a complete list of the Abbott ministry

Full Abbott Ministry

There has been some controversy that Julie Bishop is the only female minister of cabinet

[AngelsLariat]

No Science Minister in Abbotts new Ministry

The country's peak science bodies have expressed concern over Tony Abbott's new ministry, which has omitted a dedicated science minister for the first time in more than 50 years.

Not since 1931 has an Australian government been without a science minister.

Under the incoming Abbott government, the minister for industry, Ian MacFarlane, will be responsible for some areas of science, including The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.

See Full Article HErehttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html

All well and good to have dedicated Science Ministers for the past 50 years, but in the meantime new industry and jobs in hi tech / manufacturing have nearly disappeared from the Australian landscape. New science developments / R&D projects, other than those related to agriculture, clean coal & waterways, have nearly all been picked up by overseas organisations for commercialisation, marketing and manufacturing. Not forgetting the brain drain to places such as the US and Europe for lack of well paid jobs in Australia for scientists and leading edge R&D roles

I would have thought governments should have been working a lot harder to provide targetted skills development and facilitating appropriate investment incentives for startups and corporates. e.g. some years back Intel had shortlisted Australia and Malaysia for a high tech chip manufacturing facility worth billions in investment & jobs, Malaysia won the bid

Maybe Australia has a different system, but I would have thought that the Science Minister would be responsible for promoting science and that it would be someone else's job to keep tech jobs from flowing offshore. If one takes the view that science is no longer needed because not so many Australians can find a job anymore working in a science related field, then you might as well strike science from the curriculum of Australian schools while you are at it.

Edited September 17, 2013 by AngelsLariat

[samran]

No Science Minister in Abbotts new Ministry

The country's peak science bodies have expressed concern over Tony Abbott's new ministry, which has omitted a dedicated science minister for the first time in more than 50 years.

Not since 1931 has an Australian government been without a science minister.

Under the incoming Abbott government, the minister for industry, Ian MacFarlane, will be responsible for some areas of science, including The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.

See Full Article HErehttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html

All well and good to have dedicated Science Ministers for the past 50 years, but in the meantime new industry and jobs in hi tech / manufacturing have nearly disappeared from the Australian landscape. New science developments / R&D projects, other than those related to agriculture, clean coal & waterways, have nearly all been picked up by overseas organisations for commercialisation, marketing and manufacturing. Not forgetting the brain drain to places such as the US and Europe for lack of well paid jobs in Australia for scientists and leading edge R&D roles

I would have thought governments should have been working a lot harder to provide targetted skills development and facilitating appropriate investment incentives for startups and corporates. e.g. some years back Intel had shortlisted Australia and Malaysia for a high tech chip manufacturing facility worth billions in investment & jobs, Malaysia won the bid

No need to have a science minister if your PM doesn't believe in the science of climate change.

[simple1]

No Science Minister in Abbotts new Ministry

The country's peak science bodies have expressed concern over Tony Abbott's new ministry, which has omitted a dedicated science minister for the first time in more than 50 years.

Not since 1931 has an Australian government been without a science minister.

Under the incoming Abbott government, the minister for industry, Ian MacFarlane, will be responsible for some areas of science, including The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation.

See Full Article HErehttp://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/science-takes-back-seat-after-50-years-20130916-2tv59.html

All well and good to have dedicated Science Ministers for the past 50 years, but in the meantime new industry and jobs in hi tech / manufacturing have nearly disappeared from the Australian landscape. New science developments / R&D projects, other than those related to agriculture, clean coal & waterways, have nearly all been picked up by overseas organisations for commercialisation, marketing and manufacturing. Not forgetting the brain drain to places such as the US and Europe for lack of well paid jobs in Australia for scientists and leading edge R&D roles

I would have thought governments should have been working a lot harder to provide targetted skills development and facilitating appropriate investment incentives for startups and corporates. e.g. some years back Intel had shortlisted Australia and Malaysia for a high tech chip manufacturing facility worth billions in investment & jobs, Malaysia won the bid

Maybe Australia has a different system, but I would have thought that the Science Minister would be responsible for promoting science and that it would be someone else's job to keep tech jobs from flowing offshore. If one takes the view that science is no longer needed because not so many Australians can find a job anymore working in a science related field, then you might as well strike science from the curriculum of Australian schools while you are at it.

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

[AngelsLariat]

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

[BookMan]

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

It is often best to pick the fruit from the low hanging branches

[simple1]

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

You nailed it, I use to work for MNCs such as IBM & CSC, sometimes met resistance, but in essence best results were acheived when not working 'in silos'; especially working on large corporate or government projects

[AngelsLariat]

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

You nailed it, I use to work for MNCs such as IBM & CSC, sometimes met resistance, but in essence best results were acheived when not working 'in silos'; especially working on large corporate or government projects

Someday I would like to coordinate portfolios and outcomes with you.

[simple1]

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

You nailed it, I use to work for MNCs such as IBM & CSC, sometimes met resistance, but in essence best results were acheived when not working 'in silos'; especially working on large corporate or government projects

Someday I would like to coordinate portfolios and outcomes with you.

Luckily for me I no longer work in the corporate environment & have to deal with smart@#$% like you

[BookMan]

Someday I would like to coordinate portfolios and outcomes with you.

Luckily for me I no longer work in the corporate environment & have to deal with smart@#$% like you

Sounds like a win-win outcome for you both

[Scott]

A post removed. Let's try to stay on topic.

[Scott]

A post with messed up quotes has been deleted. Sorry.

[samran]

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

You nailed it, I use to work for MNCs such as IBM & CSC, sometimes met resistance, but in essence best results were acheived when not working 'in silos'; especially working on large corporate or government projects

Someday I would like to coordinate portfolios and outcomes with you.

Luckily for me I no longer work in the corporate environment & have to deal with smart@#$% like you

Moving forward then

[Sing_Sling]

Wishful thinking, but a better view is for the Ministers to take account of the big picture & coordinate their portfolios and outcomes, not working in silos.

I love terms like "not working in silos". A company that I once worked for was big on lingo like that. "No working in silos" was on of their directives, they absolutely loved "synergy", and when someone wanted a detailed update on a project they would schedule a "deep dive". Master those terms and then you would be lauded for being a team player.

It is often best to pick the fruit from the low hanging branches

Or even pick low-hanging fruit . . . before going blue ocean or greenfield, avoid the brownfield area.

Yup, 20 years for US MNCs . . .

Back on topic:

Liberal lobbyist Joe Tannous quits executive after Abbott comments

Controversial political lobbyist Joe Tannous will quit his role on the NSW Liberal state executive after a declaration by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that party officials will be banned from lobbying his government.

At a media conference on Thursday, Mr Abbott said he was "determined" the new Coalition government would be "clean and fair".

"That's why I'm determined to ensure that you can either be a powerbroker or a lobbyist, but you can't be both," Mr Abbott said.

u/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html#ixzz2fJHENDK9

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html

Well done, Mr Abbott

[BookMan]

Back on topic:

Liberal lobbyist Joe Tannous quits executive after Abbott comments

Controversial political lobbyist Joe Tannous will quit his role on the NSW Liberal state executive after a declaration by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that party officials will be banned from lobbying his government.

At a media conference on Thursday, Mr Abbott said he was "determined" the new Coalition government would be "clean and fair".

"That's why I'm determined to ensure that you can either be a powerbroker or a lobbyist, but you can't be both," Mr Abbott said.

u/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html#ixzz2fJHENDK9

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html

Well done, Mr Abbott

I am glad to see this. The roles of Lobbyists and political party staff has become far too blurred in recent times. There is a reason that many successful political lobbyist firms hire ex-politicians to represent them; access to the people who make decisions and the ability to influence decision making.

Indeed, current members of some parties, working for the party AND being involved in lobbying is clearly a conflict of interest.

While this decision in no way will stop lobbyists using their political connections, at least there is an attempt to make some division between the roles

[samran]

Liberal lobbyist Joe Tannous quits executive after Abbott comments

Controversial political lobbyist Joe Tannous will quit his role on the NSW Liberal state executive after a declaration by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that party officials will be banned from lobbying his government.

At a media conference on Thursday, Mr Abbott said he was "determined" the new Coalition government would be "clean and fair".

"That's why I'm determined to ensure that you can either be a powerbroker or a lobbyist, but you can't be both," Mr Abbott said.

u/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html#ixzz2fJHENDK9

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html

Well done, Mr Abbott

Pure optics

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/11/open-for-business-lib-flacks-rush-to-canberra-to-lobby-abbott/

[BookMan]

When I heard this yesterday I thought it was a joke and tuned out. Apparently not though! I really am not sure what Tony is thinking putting himself in charge of Women's policies...

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Tony Abbott Responsible For Women's Policies

When the Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, announced his new cabinet on Monday, it was broad brushstroke. A day later, we discover Mr Abbott will be responsible for women's policies and programs, with the assistance of West Australian senator Michaelia Cash, as minister assisting.

His reason? "This will ensure that these key whole-of-government priorities are at the centre of government." And the real agenda? To ensure that he has final control over decisions which affect women. His values align with a society which says women are not equal. It's not just that they are not the same as men, they don't deserve equality.

At first appearance, it is not exactly like appointing a rumoured climate change denier as the Minister for Science. Or an anti-vaccination fruit loop – if those people still exist – as the Minister for Health.

It's much worse. Here's why. Mr Abbott believes men and women have different abilities – and he considers that position to be evidence-based.

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Four Corners' Liz Jackson reported in 2010 that Mr Abbott had previously said: "I think it would be folly to expect that women will ever dominate or even approach equal representation in a large number of areas simply because their aptitudes, abilities and interests are different for physiological reasons."

See Full Article Here

Edited September 19, 2013 by BookMan

[Sing_Sling]

^ Priests and Catholics in charge of Women's Affairs

Liberal lobbyist Joe Tannous quits executive after Abbott comments

Controversial political lobbyist Joe Tannous will quit his role on the NSW Liberal state executive after a declaration by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that party officials will be banned from lobbying his government.

At a media conference on Thursday, Mr Abbott said he was "determined" the new Coalition government would be "clean and fair".

"That's why I'm determined to ensure that you can either be a powerbroker or a lobbyist, but you can't be both," Mr Abbott said.

u/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html#ixzz2fJHENDK9

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html

Well done, Mr Abbott

Pure optics

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/11/open-for-business-lib-flacks-rush-to-canberra-to-lobby-abbott/

I don't think so - I believe what he has done is separate pollies from lobbyists being the same person

[samran]

^ Priests and Catholics in charge of Women's Affairs

Liberal lobbyist Joe Tannous quits executive after Abbott comments

Controversial political lobbyist Joe Tannous will quit his role on the NSW Liberal state executive after a declaration by Prime Minister Tony Abbott that party officials will be banned from lobbying his government.

At a media conference on Thursday, Mr Abbott said he was "determined" the new Coalition government would be "clean and fair".

"That's why I'm determined to ensure that you can either be a powerbroker or a lobbyist, but you can't be both," Mr Abbott said.

u/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html#ixzz2fJHENDK9

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/liberal-lobbyist-joe-tannous-quits-executive-after-abbott-comments-20130919-2u1bw.html

Well done, Mr Abbott

Pure optics

http://www.crikey.com.au/2013/09/11/open-for-business-lib-flacks-rush-to-canberra-to-lobby-abbott/

I don't think so - I believe what he has done is separate pollies from lobbyists being the same person

There are already parliamentary registers of interests for MP's and the code of conduct for the industry under PMC http://lobbyists.pmc.gov.au/conduct_code.cfm. Not sure this new dictat is going to stop Michael Kroger from being an influencer as well a Victorian Liberal heavyweight.

Nonetheless, more Abbott Jokes. A cabinet of 14 men and a Bishop led by an Abbott.

[Sing_Sling]

Nonetheless, more Abbott Jokes. A cabinet of 14 men and a Bishop led by an Abbott.

Don't know if I should laugh or sigh . . . I console myself with the fact that he is better than any Lab alternative

[BookMan]

Milne survives push to axe her as Greens leader

Christine Milne has survived an aborted push to challenge her leadership - but some senior Greens claim the Tasmanian senator is now ''living on borrowed time''. Fairfax Media can reveal the departure of Senator Milne's most senior political aide, Ben Oquist, is linked to moves inside the party to switch to Adam Bandt, her deputy.

A source close to the turmoil inside the leader's office said Senator Milne had demanded the resignation of Mr Oquist, her chief of staff, after she became aware he had backed moves for Mr Bandt to mount a challenge at Monday's party room meeting.

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''This is about disloyalty. Ben was trying to get rid of Christine. Adam Bandt was going to make a run for the leadership but they called it off about an hour before party room because they didn't have the numbers,'' the source said.

Another Greens source confirmed a push to replace Senator Milne was on but there was ''not enough confidence they had the numbers''. Ms Milne's office declined to make any comment on Thursday and Mr Bandt, who is on holiday, could not be reached.

Read Full article Here

Edited September 26, 2013 by BookMan

[David48]

Clarke and Dawe - The Makeup of the New Senate

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[David48]

Clarke and Dawe - Meat-pricing in Portugal between the wars

Give it a chance (30 secs) ... it's directly related to the OP ... and a bit of Cricket!

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