How to fight fungus Candida Albicans in Bangkok ?

[phompen]

I've gone to different hospital, and see many doctors, none of them was enable to treat the Candida Albicans

so I'm searching a doctor who take care with plants (not sure in english, the word could be Naturopath or Naturopathy)

Is exist a pharmacy specialised where you can find this kind of treatment with "zero sugar, zero chemical, zero mold or yeast" medicine :

- condensed garlic tablets (equivalent to 2 fresh garlic, if you eat fresh it burn the tongue...)

- Molybdenum (convert Acetaldehyde to Acetic acid that the body can eliminate itself)

- Caprylic acid

- Aloe Vera

- Lapacho ( Pau d' Arco, Ipe roxo , Taheebo , Tecoma)

- Lactobacillus acidophilus , Lactobacillus casei , Lactobacillus and Bifidobacterium bulgaricum

...

..

.

Have you ever been treated differently in Bangkok ? And if yes, where ?

The only thing I've found is a colon cleansing at the Yanhee hospital at the detox center. The effect was spectacular one hour after left the hospital, I cannot stop laughing !

Thank you very much for your help ! :-)

[Sceptict11]

Candida Albicans usually only causes a "thrush" problem and is responsible for oral and genital infection.

Very easily treated !

"Detox" is expensive "quack" treatment which "cures" nothing !

​Occasionally immunocompromised individuals will develop a systemic candidiasis which results in serious illness. Treatment for this condition is only available whilst a hospital inpatient.

What exactly do you believe your problem is ?

[phompen]

It cannot be solved quickly since the fungus candida albicans convert the sugar in the body to alcool, and then to ethanal (acetaldehyde that the body cannot eliminate)

I had the same problem 3 years ago after beeing intoxicated with anti-cockroach spray, I have followed a plant treatment, and begin to feel good after 2 weeks, but the full treatment take months (I didn't followed until the end because I like too much chocolate and drink beer...)

Edited October 1, 2013 by phompen

[Sceptict11]

It cannot be solved quickly since the fungus candida albicans convert the sugar in the body to alcool, and then to ethanal (acetaldehyde that the body cannot eliminate)

I had the same problem 3 years ago after beeing intoxicated with anti-cockroach spray, I have followed a plant treatment, and begin to feel good after 2 weeks, but the full treatment take months (I didn't followed until the end because I like too much chocolate and drink beer...)

Much to complicated for for me to understand !

[Sheryl]

Sorry, but I think you have either an imaginary ailment or one that you have wrongly mis-diagnosed. Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

The idea that people are walking around with some sort of disseminated candida infection is simply not valid scientifically. It is however promoted by various purveyors of quack remedies.

[Totster]

Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

I have and still am on antibiotics for 2 weeks for a stomach problem and have developed a problem with candida. I have tried eating natural yoghurt and honey to correct the imbalance but it's not going, can you recommend something I can get over the counter?

totster

[phompen]

Sorry, but I think you have either an imaginary ailment or one that you have wrongly mis-diagnosed. Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

The idea that people are walking around with some sort of disseminated candida infection is simply not valid scientifically. It is however promoted by various purveyors of quack remedies.

yes but this is what happened to me, I had 2 tooth extraction with infection and 2 antibiotics treatments on an interval of 30 days

but even before this event my level of candida was higher than normal

I feel it because when I drink more than 4 beers, the day after I have a very boring day, like a double hangover, and some vertigo appear if I drink more than 6-7 beers, this happen because the candida convert alcool to acetaldehyde (arround 8 hours after I've drunk alcool)

[phompen]

Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

I have and still am on antibiotics for 2 weeks for a stomach problem and have developed a problem with candida. I have tried eating natural yoghurt and honey to correct the imbalance but it's not going, can you recommend something I can get over the counter?

totster

honey is not good, it's full of sugar

stop to eat any sugar, even fructose, stop any alcool also

yoghurt is not recommanded, excepted some special one

usually you should feel better after 2 weeks, and you should not feel it almost completly after 4 weeks, but does not mean the candida is gone back to normal

You should type candida diet in google

[Sceptict11]

Sorry, but I think you have either an imaginary ailment or one that you have wrongly mis-diagnosed. Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

The idea that people are walking around with some sort of disseminated candida infection is simply not valid scientifically. It is however promoted by various purveyors of quack remedies.

yes but this is what happened to me, I had 2 tooth extraction with infection and 2 antibiotics treatments on an interval of 30 days

but even before this event my level of candida was higher than normal

I feel it because when I drink more than 4 beers, the day after I have a very boring day, like a double hangover, and some vertigo appear if I drink more than 6-7 beers, this happen because the candida convert alcool to acetaldehyde (arround 8 hours after I've drunk alcool)

Just as a matter of interest what is a "normal" level of candida and how is that measured ?

How do you know that your level of candida is "higher " than "normal"

What are the symptoms ?

I have heard of getting drunk but this is the first time I have known "candida" to blamed for intemperate behavior.

It is , in all probability , your abuse of alcohol which is causing the "problem " NOT candida

Your solution is to stop drinking alcohol !

[Sceptict11]

Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

I have and still am on antibiotics for 2 weeks for a stomach problem and have developed a problem with candida. I have tried eating natural yoghurt and honey to correct the imbalance but it's not going, can you recommend something I can get over the counter?

totster

Where these antibiotics prescribed by a doctor or just bought from a pharmacy ?

How do you "know" you have a problem with candida ?

Why not just secure proper medical advise from a Doctor ?

[NancyL]

Sorry, but I think you have either an imaginary ailment or one that you have wrongly mis-diagnosed. Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

The idea that people are walking around with some sort of disseminated candida infection is simply not valid scientifically. It is however promoted by various purveyors of quack remedies.

yes but this is what happened to me, I had 2 tooth extraction with infection and 2 antibiotics treatments on an interval of 30 days

but even before this event my level of candida was higher than normal

I feel it because when I drink more than 4 beers, the day after I have a very boring day, like a double hangover, and some vertigo appear if I drink more than 6-7 beers, this happen because the candida convert alcool to acetaldehyde (arround 8 hours after I've drunk alcool)

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but this just sounds like a normal hangover. Most people have "vertigo" after 6-7 beers. How does someone measure candida anyway? I though that was something contained in my feminine tract (if you know what I mean).

Edited October 1, 2013 by NancyL

[Totster]

Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

I have and still am on antibiotics for 2 weeks for a stomach problem and have developed a problem with candida. I have tried eating natural yoghurt and honey to correct the imbalance but it's not going, can you recommend something I can get over the counter?

totster

honey is not good, it's full of sugar

stop to eat any sugar, even fructose, stop any alcool also

yoghurt is not recommanded, excepted some special one

usually you should feel better after 2 weeks, and you should not feel it almost completly after 4 weeks, but does not mean the candida is gone back to normal

You should type candida diet in google

I have read that honey has some great properties that promote well being, if i am wrong then i am only guilty of trying to fix things naturally. The Yoghurt I eat has the probiotics.

totster

[Totster]

Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

I have and still am on antibiotics for 2 weeks for a stomach problem and have developed a problem with candida. I have tried eating natural yoghurt and honey to correct the imbalance but it's not going, can you recommend something I can get over the counter?

totster

Where these antibiotics prescribed by a doctor or just bought from a pharmacy ?

How do you "know" you have a problem with candida ?

Why not just secure proper medical advise from a Doctor ?

The antibiotics were prescribed, unfortunately I have to trust the doctor as (as always) they are reluctant to give the names of the drugs prescribed. I have also had 2 injections which I believe a large doses of antibiotics.

Candida - I have had it before, so I know the symptoms.

totster

[Sceptict11]

Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

I have and still am on antibiotics for 2 weeks for a stomach problem and have developed a problem with candida. I have tried eating natural yoghurt and honey to correct the imbalance but it's not going, can you recommend something I can get over the counter?

totster

Where these antibiotics prescribed by a doctor or just bought from a pharmacy ?

How do you "know" you have a problem with candida ?

Why not just secure proper medical advise from a Doctor ?

The antibiotics were prescribed, unfortunately I have to trust the doctor as (as always) they are reluctant to give the names of the drugs prescribed. I have also had 2 injections which I believe a large doses of antibiotics.

Candida - I have had it before, so I know the symptoms.

totster

What ,exactly , are the symptoms ?

[Totster]

What ,exactly , are the symptoms ?

I'm not posting pictures..

If you have a recommendation please let me know, otherwise just accept my diagnosis.

Thanks

totster

[Totster]

Sorry, but I think you have either an imaginary ailment or one that you have wrongly mis-diagnosed. Candida is part if the normal flora of many parts of the body. It will overgrow on occasion in specific locations, usually due to either antibiotic treatment or immunosuppression/immunocompromise, and that is easily treated.

The idea that people are walking around with some sort of disseminated candida infection is simply not valid scientifically. It is however promoted by various purveyors of quack remedies.

yes but this is what happened to me, I had 2 tooth extraction with infection and 2 antibiotics treatments on an interval of 30 days

but even before this event my level of candida was higher than normal

I feel it because when I drink more than 4 beers, the day after I have a very boring day, like a double hangover, and some vertigo appear if I drink more than 6-7 beers, this happen because the candida convert alcool to acetaldehyde (arround 8 hours after I've drunk alcool)

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but this just sounds like a normal hangover. Most people have "vertigo" after 6-7 beers. How does someone measure candida anyway? I though that was something contained in my feminine tract (if you know what I mean).

Men can suffer from candida also, it all comes about due to an imbalance of the good and bad bacteria that is naturally present.

totster

[Sceptict11]

What ,exactly , are the symptoms ?

I'm not posting pictures..

If you have a recommendation please let me know, otherwise just accept my diagnosis.

Thanks

totster

Pictures do not describe symptoms !

Best you return to your Doctor and explain to him/her about your problem .

[Sheryl]

OP: there is no such thing as a measure of "candida levels" and indeed your symptoms sound more related to alcohol, I suggest you just stop drinking for a while (and keep it moderate when re-starting) and eat a healthy diet.

Totser - there are OTC things but if you are still taking abx the candida may recur.

For candida in the mouth = tystatin oral suspension

For candida on your skin (inc. genital area) = canazole cream or other topical prep containing clotrimazole

Probiotics ("real" unsweetend yogurt, or kefir grains) may also help.

If these fail, a single dose of flucanazole 150 mg usually does it, but don't do this while still on abx, wait till off them.

[Totster]

OP: there is no such thing as a measure of "candida levels" and indeed your symptoms sound more related to alcohol, I suggest you just stop drinking for a while (and keep it moderate when re-starting) and eat a healthy diet.

Totser - there are OTC things but if you are still taking abx the candida may recur.

For candida in the mouth = tystatin oral suspension

For candida on your skin (inc. genital area) = canazole cream or other topical prep containing clotrimazole

Probiotics ("real" unsweetend yogurt, or kefir grains) may also help.

If these fail, a single dose of flucanazole 150 mg usually does it, but don't do this while still on abx, wait till off them.

Thanks Sheryl, your advice is much appreciated !

totster

[Totster]

Oh, forgot to ask, can i use Canazole/Clotrimazole when still on abx ? Should I wait and then fix this?

thanks

totster

[Sheryl]

P.S> Washing the affected area with vinegar, if feasible, may also help.

[Sheryl]

Oh, forgot to ask, can i use Canazole/Clotrimazole when still on abx ? Should I wait and then fix this?

thanks

totster

You can go ahead and use the topical cream while on abx but keep using it until at least 3-4 days off abx. The risk is of resistance since as long as you are on abx, the bacteria that normally keep candida in check are wiped out making recurrence likely.

Would definitely suggest probiotics through the rest of the abx course and perhaps a week thereafter. And in future, start probiotics right away when having to take abx.

[phompen]

Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but this just sounds like a normal hangover. Most people have "vertigo" after 6-7 beers. How does someone measure candida anyway? I though that was something contained in my feminine tract (if you know what I mean).

70-80% of the world population is affected by a too high level of candida, but 95% of these people don't know it -> mainly because the level is not enough high, or because it goes alone without treatment (for exemple after the christmas period a lot of people are take care of themself, and it help the candida to decrease)

It affect more often women but men also. This fungus is naturally present in the intestin (and maybe stomach), but usually it does not go to mouth/vagina/penis/colon -> fungus has spread

Having vertigo the day after you have drunk alcool mean you have an abnormal level of candida in your instestin, this is not a common hangover. Few years before I never had vertigo after drinking alcool, even when drinking 10 beers.

abnormal levels of candida albicans give these symptoms :

(sorry for google translation)

- colitis with intestinal gas, bloating, anal itching , diarrhea, constipation.

- a progressive and unexplained fatigue with poor sleep and insufficient recovery .

- aggravated allergies (skin , respiratory or food ) and fungi .

- of eating disorders : alcoholism , bulimia, sugar cravings (chocolate , cakes ... ) , saturated fat ( meat , cheese ... ) and alcoholic beverages

- gynecological problems, repetitive vaginal fungi ( white discharge and itching), inflammation of glands ( glands Bartolin ) cysts and endometriosis , cystitis and kidney infections

- skin problems : eczema, seborrhea , psoriasis , acne, fungal nails , feet

- respiratory problems, asthma, bronchitis ;

- behavioral disorders : depression, anxiety , chronic fatigue, headaches,

- sleep disturbance ( difficulty falling asleep ) , concentration (memory, will down ) and mood (irritation , anxiety , aggression, dissatisfaction ... )

- ear problems , thyroid,

- joint and muscle pain

I have almost all these symtoms

I talked alcool because it's a talkative exemple where you feel the candida "working" in your body, I don't drink alcool so much, like 5 -6 beers a week.

I don't drink alcool for 20 days now, and I still feel vertigo everyday, the level of candida is so high now that it strongly convert sugar to alcool, I feel alcolised for about 2 months now, this is very disturbing, I eat almost no sugar now, but when the candida is dying, it release toxins, the vertigos come from there

There is another case when I "feel" the candida : when I eat carbonara pastas (I love this!) and I eat chocolate, arround 30 minutes after I feel so sleepy that I have to sleep, sometimes 3 or 4 hours in the middle of the day. It contain high level of sugar and carbohydrates. The day after I eat fish and vegetables, I don't feel sleepy at all... this is typical of the candida albicans

It also modify the taste in mouth, I often eat a "khao pad nam prik long rua" which is lightly spicy, actually I cannot, my head become all red, and the taste is incredibly spicy (I eat all the time at the same restaurant, I know the spicy level is correct for me usually)

[phompen]

There is also something important to know : the doctors don't like the candida albicans, because antibiotics are mainly involved, some of them know it, some doctors even don't know about the candida albicans. To my mind this is something not studied in university... also we eat a lot of chicken, pork, beef who took antibiotics, after it's stuck in our intestin (we don't eliminate 100%...) so years after years our bodies are lighltly intoxicated, and this is when the candida albicans can grow and spread...

[phompen]

by the way, is exist a pharmacy in Bangkok who sell essential oils and other products based on plants ?

[Sheryl]

It is not that doctors "do not like" candida, it is that what you have read and posted here is pure quackery with no scientific basis. Doctors know very well about genuine candid infections and how to treat them. Unfortunately in the world of quackeries it has become popular to convince people that a huge range of diverse symptoms are due somehow to undetectable "candida" in the GI tract or elsewhere, for which they then promote all manner of equally dubious cures.

The symptoms you report are not due to an overgrowth of candida in your gut. But if you nonetheless are convinced you have this problem, take a course of probiotics.

[partington]

As Sheryl says, this whole idea about Candida " overgrowth" being responsible for a wide range of illnesses is not based on any evidence at all.

It derived originally largely from the writings of one particular doctor, the aptly named William Crook, whose creation of this non-existent condition followed a well-established methodology:

1. Convince people they are suffering from an imaginary condition, by listing a wide range of extremely common symptoms that everyone has when they get sick, and attributing them to a single irrelevant and unproven cause.

2.Once you have alarmed people with your story, start selling them a product to cure the condition, that you say you have "invented." Make sure you emphasise pre-emptively that "doctors and big pharma don't like it", so when the scientific community points out quite correctly that it's a scam, you can say "see that proves I'm right!"

You can read about this particular condition on Quackwatch: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/candida.html and an interesting article on the same topic here: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/candida-and-fake-illnesses/

extracts :

"1. The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma and Immunology has strongly criticized the concept of "candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome" and the diagnostic and treatment approaches its proponents use. AAAAI's position statement concludes: (1) the concept of candidiasis hypersensitivity is speculative and unproven; (2) its basic elements would apply to almost all sick patients at some time because its supposed symptoms are essentially universal; (3) overuse of oral antifungal agents could lead to the development of resistant germs that could menace others; (4) adverse effects of oral antifungal agents are rare, but some inevitably will occur; and (5) neither patients nor doctors can determine effectiveness (as opposed to coincidence) without controlled trials.

2. In 1990, the New Jersey State Attorney General secured consent agreements barring Linda Choi, M.D., and Pruyakant Doshi, M.D., from diagnosing and treating "Candida albicans overgrowth syndrome." Both were assessed $3,000 for investigative costs and had their medical license placed on probation for one year. Among other things, investigation by the State medical board had concluded that "Candida albicans overgrowth" was not generally recognized as a clinical entity and had not been established as the cause of the conditions the doctors treated.

I believe that practitioners who diagnose nonexistent "yeast problems" should have their licenses revoked. Some apply this diagnosis to nearly every patient they see."

"Conclusion

Candida hypersensitivity is an implausible syndrome, simply another “one cause of all disease” alternative claim. Such claims are useful only for generating demand for fanciful and worthless treatments."

[Sceptict11]

partington

Unfortunately some actually do believe in Quackery.

Once on the Quack pathway any attempt to provide rational/objective/science based evidence will be rejected by the "victims" !

Any thing which challenges belief in the "Quackery" will be held up as "proof" of the medical/pharmaceutical profession ignorance.

The "victims" will willingly pay large sums of money to enrich fraudsters !

No point in prolonged debates just nod the head and let the "victim" pay !

NB. Big Pharma has not paid me to write this

[Totster]

2.Once you have alarmed people with your story, start selling them a product to cure the condition, that you say you have "invented." Make sure you emphasise pre-emptively that "doctors and big pharma don't like it", so when the scientific community points out quite correctly that it's a scam, you can say "see that proves I'm right!"

Classic case is Listerine and Halitosis.

totster

[phompen]

not proven scientifically ?

I've learnt I have a problem with the candida albicans from a laboratory, they have counted the colonies with a microscope, before that I didn't know anything about that

Most of the people who have an abnormal level of candida albicans outside intestin/stomach is not a big problem, it's millions of people, the candida has just spread a bit in the body, but you don't notice it when the symtoms are low. I am not in that case, I have been intoxicated with an anti cockroach spray 3 years ago, I have felt I was dying for about one hour, it was the more horrible part of my life. After one hour I've thought I was safe, and just lived something very scary... but I was wrong, it was just the beginning of being disturbed by this fungus.

By the way I didn't focus too much on that, I've tried to live like everybody, and my body react usually well, excepted when I eat too much sugar or when I drink too much alcool. It's very different than to have a liver crisis when you eat too much chocolate, I feel very sleepy, and when I wake up 3 hours later my head is very heavy, like a little hangover of alcool but a bit different, no very easy to explain, logically it's because the fungus convert sugar to alcool.

When I drink alcool, the hangover the day after is not like before, it's like a double hangover, very but very boring, I don't have headeach, but I feel intoxicated... the only explanation I've found was a higher level of acethaldehyde (ethanal) that the body cannot eliminate this itself. But if your level of molybdenum is high or normal in your body, the acetaldehyde is converted to acetic acid (then the body can eliminate this). The molybdenum can be found in garlic, coconut, some beans, some lentils... the soil where it grown give more or less molybdenum to that food. It exist also pills sold on Internet, but if you eat well with a good diversity, you should not need to take pills (excepted in some part of the world where the level of molybdenum in the soil is low)