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I wonder how many Thai's read this and think it was a compliment and how many will realize it for the backhanded diss it really is.

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very simple to understand, Thais are insecure - protective - selfish - greedy - corrupt and generally frightened of things they can't control 100% exploit and make huge amounts of money at the expense of others - the internet frightens them because they cannot shut it down if they don't like what it's doing.

Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

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Because Google takes freely available information and monetised it through advertising.

Thais want to take useless info and get paid up front for it. I am amazed they let Google maps drive their cars all over without charging a fortune for the privilege.

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Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

The most prolific censor in recent Thai history? The MICT is very reticent about releasing statistics, and if you are referring to the number of blocked URL's, you may be correct. Here is a chart put together by Thai lawyers:

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According to this chart, Abhisit did indeed block more URLs than Yingluck has, but Yingluck has issued many more court orders, and these figures don't include 2013. Your idol may still beat Abhisit at the censorship game.

BTW, personally, I am opposed to all kinds of censorship and think that only the "don't shout FIRE in a crowded theater" level of censorship should be allowed.

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Because Google takes freely available information and monetised it through advertising.

Thais want to take useless info and get paid up front for it. I am amazed they let Google maps drive their cars all over without charging a fortune for the privilege.

At leased Thailand isn't charging 200-1000 USD in road taxes... and a bunch of other taxes like most of the western countries are ;)

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Because Google takes freely available information and monetised it through advertising.

Thais want to take useless info and get paid up front for it. I am amazed they let Google maps drive their cars all over without charging a fortune for the privilege.

At leased Thailand isn't charging 200-1000 USD in road taxes... and a bunch of other taxes like most of the western countries are wink.png

Funny that, and I might be wrong, but if I remember, the road tax on my Ford Focus last year was about 100 USD. And don't worry, the yearly taxes are more than made up for with the huge excise duties instead. If Thailand gets organised with VAT, it's taxes as a percentage will be well up there with the developed world. Most of the issue in Thailand is that taxes are evaded. If everyone paid what they were meant to pay, prices would be quite a way higher for many many things.

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Here's where Thailand really falls behind the rest of the developing world.

I can only assume you have no experience with the developing world outside of Thailand!

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very simple to understand, Thais are insecure - protective - selfish - greedy - corrupt and generally frightened of things they can't control 100% exploit and make huge amounts of money at the expense of others - the internet frightens them because they cannot shut it down if they don't like what it's doing.

Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

Maybe you weren't here when Mr. T was in power. Editors and writers for Bangkok post were arrested and their work permits revoked for writing articles criticizing the government. He kept firm control of the papers. The internet I'm not sure as at that time is was still very slow for access outside of Thailand, might be because of censorship.

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very simple to understand, Thais are insecure - protective - selfish - greedy - corrupt and generally frightened of things they can't control 100% exploit and make huge amounts of money at the expense of others - the internet frightens them because they cannot shut it down if they don't like what it's doing.

Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

Maybe you weren't here when Mr. T was in power. Editors and writers for Bangkok post were arrested and their work permits revoked for writing articles criticizing the government. He kept firm control of the papers. The internet I'm not sure as at that time is was still very slow for access outside of Thailand, might be because of censorship.

exactly my point - they can only control their own little part of the WWW and even then blocking certain sites could be seen as extreme censorship so it hasn't really happened.

also I didn't criticise any particular government - just how they all think - do you honestly think free speech exists in Thailand - ask yourself why - then read my post above again,

Been here 9 years and I was 43 on my first year here so contrary to previous deleted posts I'm certainly not some old bitter falang just a middle aged one posting my opinion based on observation

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Because Google takes freely available information and monetised it through advertising.

Thais want to take useless info and get paid up front for it. I am amazed they let Google maps drive their cars all over without charging a fortune for the privilege.

At leased Thailand isn't charging 200-1000 USD in road taxes... and a bunch of other taxes like most of the western countries are wink.png

NONSENSE, are you serious. what about the high import tax on most things. Think before you post

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very simple to understand, Thais are insecure - protective - selfish - greedy - corrupt and generally frightened of things they can't control 100% exploit and make huge amounts of money at the expense of others - the internet frightens them because they cannot shut it down if they don't like what it's doing.

Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

Maybe you weren't here when Mr. T was in power. Editors and writers for Bangkok post were arrested and their work permits revoked for writing articles criticizing the government. He kept firm control of the papers. The internet I'm not sure as at that time is was still very slow for access outside of Thailand, might be because of censorship.

exactly my point - they can only control their own little part of the WWW and even then blocking certain sites could be seen as extreme censorship so it hasn't really happened.

also I didn't criticise any particular government - just how they all think - do you honestly think free speech exists in Thailand - ask yourself why - then read my post above again,

Been here 9 years and I was 43 on my first year here so contrary to previous deleted posts I'm certainly not some old bitter falang just a middle aged one posting my opinion based on observation

Then why do you want to live in a place full of greedy corrupt people?

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very simple to understand, Thais are insecure - protective - selfish - greedy - corrupt and generally frightened of things they can't control 100% exploit and make huge amounts of money at the expense of others - the internet frightens them because they cannot shut it down if they don't like what it's doing.

Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

Maybe you weren't here when Mr. T was in power. Editors and writers for Bangkok post were arrested and their work permits revoked for writing articles criticizing the government. He kept firm control of the papers. The internet I'm not sure as at that time is was still very slow for access outside of Thailand, might be because of censorship.

exactly my point - they can only control their own little part of the WWW and even then blocking certain sites could be seen as extreme censorship so it hasn't really happened.

also I didn't criticise any particular government - just how they all think - do you honestly think free speech exists in Thailand - ask yourself why - then read my post above again,

Been here 9 years and I was 43 on my first year here so contrary to previous deleted posts I'm certainly not some old bitter falang just a middle aged one posting my opinion based on observation

Then why do you want to live in a place full of greedy corrupt people?

Coz it means you can buy your way to happiness?

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exactly my point - they can only control their own little part of the WWW and even then blocking certain sites could be seen as extreme censorship so it hasn't really happened.

also I didn't criticise any particular government - just how they all think - do you honestly think free speech exists in Thailand - ask yourself why - then read my post above again,

Been here 9 years and I was 43 on my first year here so contrary to previous deleted posts I'm certainly not some old bitter falang just a middle aged one posting my opinion based on observation

Then why do you want to live in a place full of greedy corrupt people?

you really are trying to make this topic about the people posting rather than the actual topic - sorry but I'm not going there

I'll answer your question though ----------------------- Up to me, it's my business

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Oh I dunno, abhisit was extremely successful in shutting down large swathes of internet sites he didn't like - the most prolific sensor in recent Thai history, so your case hardly holds up that well.

The most prolific censor in recent Thai history? The MICT is very reticent about releasing statistics, and if you are referring to the number of blocked URL's, you may be correct. Here is a chart put together by Thai lawyers:

slide-5-638.jpg?1366538621

According to this chart, Abhisit did indeed block more URLs than Yingluck has, but Yingluck has issued many more court orders, and these figures don't include 2013. Your idol may still beat Abhisit at the censorship game.

BTW, personally, I am opposed to all kinds of censorship and think that only the "don't shout FIRE in a crowded theater" level of censorship should be allowed.

I may be wrong, but wasn't that spike in blocked URLs around the time THAT youtube video came out and spawned a whole pile of offshoots?

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Because Google takes freely available information and monetised it through advertising.

Thais want to take useless info and get paid up front for it. I am amazed they let Google maps drive their cars all over without charging a fortune for the privilege.

At leased Thailand isn't charging 200-1000 USD in road taxes... and a bunch of other taxes like most of the western countries are wink.png

NONSENSE, are you serious. what about the high import tax on most things. Think before you post

I don't know where you're from but Thailand is a Tax haven compared to Norway. Again, since I don't know where you're from then I don't know what kind of import taxes you're used to, but for me Thailand has low import taxes compared to Norway. I'm aware that Thailand has a quite high tax on car import, but still it's actually very low compared to Norway. It's actually quite understandable why Thailand as a car industry nation has high taxes on car import. Unlike Norway, it's done to tackle obvious problems. Norway has high taxes on car import to finance other financial sectors, while Thailand has high taxes on car import to deal with excessive car import, which is damaging for Thai economy and the car industry in Thailand.

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What a very clever and diplomatic man!

Without making it at all obvious, Eric Schmidt has been able to criticise every aspect of the Thai ruling classes.

By making oblique references to other countries, he has highlighted the Thai government's attitude towards the education of the ordinary people. He gently defines all nations (thus obviously Thailand also) by focusing on what they do NOT want the internet to be - so hinting at repression and censorship without even mentioning the word. He somehow manages to paint a picture that there is a huge and interconnected world out there despite the fact that nationalistic propaganda proudly insists Thailand is self-sufficient and the finest country in the world. He introduces the looming spectre of ASEA almost as a passing mention. And then, with diplomatic flair, ends his discourse with seeming innocence, referring to the comedy show that was "one tablet per child" as if has been accomplished already. And innocuously tops it off with the image of uneducated children writing on paper with pens filled with white ink.

I wonder just how many of the Thai Top 300 were perceptive enough to read between the lines of what he was saying to them - assuming they read or heard this, or were not away vacationing or visiting their children at universities abroad - and that's also assuming, of course, that what Eric Schmidt said would concern them in the slightest.

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Everyone (including Mr. Schmidt) may be right about internet-related problems in Thailand. But I'm 200% sure that Mr. Schmidt doesn't give a s..t about Thailand or any other country, not their government not their people. The only things they care about are making money and having piles of free information (which they can possibly sell to the US government or anyone else to again make money).

This is how things are in Thailand. That's why it's called Thailand, LOS, etc. If it was like Singapore, well, we could call it Singapore, not Thailand. Then personally I would consider living in the real Singapore not in (Singapore-like) Thailand. It's always good to criticize and question, but it makes me sick when people like him criticize a country as a whole, as if they care about its people.

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