webfact Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 'Jatuporn' reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy BANGKOK, 20 Nov 2013, (NNT) - Mr. Jatuporn Prompan, a core member of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), has reaffirmed that the Senate Origin Bill does not aim at abolishing the democratic regime.The comment came during his speech on stage at the UDD demonstration site in Ratchamankhala Sport Stadium on Tuesday. He said that the UDD would not mobilize its forces to pressure the constitutional court; nor will it show any attitude to menace the court. He stressed the rally demands only fairness from the courtMr. Jatuporn however pointed out that the Constitutional Court made some questionable decisions last year, especially on the approval of a bill amending the entire Section 291. He said that since that bill sailed through the Parliament and was not considered obstructing the democracy, the Senate Origin Bill should do as well.The UDD core member finally said that if the court rules the bill fairly, the move will bring about the much needed peace in the society. He reiterated that the UDD makes a move only to protect the rightfully elected government.-- NNT 2013-11-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 "'Jatuporn' reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy" He means red shirt democracy of course. The version which allows free choice and all views as long as they echo the party line. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NongKhaiKid Posted November 20, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2013 Jatuporn and Democracy is a bigger oxymoron than Military Intelligence 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Anything to do with the PTP or UDD not necessary means the abolishing of democracy, they only make inroads to make democracy un-workable, whilst there is room for improvement in any country, the current administration in Thailand tends to make policy on the run, therefore undermining the democracy institution as we know it, making it a laughable totalitarian regime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gl555 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Of course not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Jatuporn and Democracy is a bigger oxymoron than Military Intelligence Democracy East German style Democracy North Korean style 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 The Red Shirts have openly stated that they want Thailand to be ruled by the same model as Cambodia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 He (Jatuporn) said that since that bill sailed through the Parliament and was not considered obstructing the democracy, the Senate Origin Bill should do as well. A Bill sailing through Parliament doesn't make it right, recent events show that it makes it very wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gemini81 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Jatuporn and Democracy is a bigger oxymoron than Military Intelligence Just a moron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mampara Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 "'Jatuporn' reaffirms charter rewrite does not aim at abolishing democracy" He means red shirt democracy of course. The version which allows free choice and all views as long as they echo the party line. Maybe not, but would it abolish the Kingdom into a Republic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRSoul Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 How does he know? Does Thaksin consult him before attempting his machinations? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I am not sure who has the bigger ego, Jatuporn, Chalerm, Kittyrat, Plod, or Thaksin. As listed, I can see a correlation of bottom to top, in IQ, wealth, stupidity, as well as being a complet waste of the reproductive process. Would you buy stock in a company with this line up as upper management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arkady Posted November 20, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2013 There is no intention to abolish democracy in its narrowest sense, e.g. majority rule. However, there is a clear intention to abolish all checks and balances, such as the independence of the Senate which in turn selects the independent bodies such as the NACC. There also seems to be a plan to abolish the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. That would take us back to the system where all cases had to go through the normal criminal justice system with corrupt prosecutors deciding on prosecutions based on evidence collected by corrupt police and cases heard in dubious courts if they ever got there at all. Basically he wants a system where whoever wins the election is not constrained at all by rule of law and corruption and criminal activities by office holders would be even more rampant than they are today. That is a democracy in name only because in practice it functions as a dictatorship where those in power can do whatever they want. As a system of government, it is simply not sustainable because the economy, now growing at only 3-4% and with a ridiculously low tax base, cannot support any more corruption and inefficiency than has to today. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moruya Posted November 20, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 20, 2013 Who could ever trust the man who called coup more times than a flock of pigeons 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 There is no intention to abolish democracy in its narrowest sense, e.g. majority rule. However, there is a clear intention to abolish all checks and balances, such as the independence of the Senate which in turn selects the independent bodies such as the NACC. There also seems to be a plan to abolish the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. That would take us back to the system where all cases had to go through the normal criminal justice system with corrupt prosecutors deciding on prosecutions based on evidence collected by corrupt police and cases heard in dubious courts if they ever got there at all. Basically he wants a system where whoever wins the election is not constrained at all by rule of law and corruption and criminal activities by office holders would be even more rampant than they are today. That is a democracy in name only because in practice it functions as a dictatorship where those in power can do whatever they want. As a system of government, it is simply not sustainable because the economy, now growing at only 3-4% and with a ridiculously low tax base, cannot support any more corruption and inefficiency than has to today. To add: They also try to end the separation of power. The police is already under direct control of the government instead of acting independent. As well they try to control the media. There were some speaking about a more efficient single party system.......Than we are in a Democracy like the Democracy of North Korea or East Germany (yes they are/were Democracies, just the choices at the elections are somehow limited). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 The King Kwai has spoken, of course he always tells the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtoad Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Who could ever trust the man who called coup more times than a flock of pigeons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeO Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 How does he know? Does Thaksin consult him before attempting his machinations? Jatuporn has little or no knowledge of constitutional law, or even impartial political thought ... but it is very nice to see him commenting on issues without the threat of burning Bangkok to the ground...!!. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Nice of him to neglect to point out, what the bill actually does, instead of telling us what it doesn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Who could ever trust the man who called coup more times than a flock of pigeons Who? The same flock of pigeons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spare Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Next: Half of the MPs should be selected (half elected), so there is a check and balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwoodsolar Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 There is no intention to abolish democracy in its narrowest sense, e.g. majority rule. However, there is a clear intention to abolish all checks and balances, such as the independence of the Senate which in turn selects the independent bodies such as the NACC. There also seems to be a plan to abolish the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court for Political Office Holders. That would take us back to the system where all cases had to go through the normal criminal justice system with corrupt prosecutors deciding on prosecutions based on evidence collected by corrupt police and cases heard in dubious courts if they ever got there at all. Basically he wants a system where whoever wins the election is not constrained at all by rule of law and corruption and criminal activities by office holders would be even more rampant than they are today. That is a democracy in name only because in practice it functions as a dictatorship where those in power can do whatever they want. As a system of government, it is simply not sustainable because the economy, now growing at only 3-4% and with a ridiculously low tax base, cannot support any more corruption and inefficiency than has to today. Should add, with regard to your second paragraph, that we've been exactly here before, when a ruling party had such a majority that they could ride roughshod over any opposition and with a leader who was untouchable under the law. This led to breathtaking and blatant corruption and eventually sowed the seeds of the coup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIHUAHUA Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Something must exist before you abolish it. Democracy in Thailand seems to go the way of Thai Buddhism all flash and no substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkungbank Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 DO we really understand what is the meaning of democracy mean? There 4 person inside a taxi a,b,c and the driverfrom silom to Bang na after reach the destination According to democratic way minority have to follow majority so the three of them vote not to pay the fare by raise the hand and the driver have to follow accord to democray way of Thais.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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