Scotland to become independent in March 2016 if referendum passes

[Pattszero]

Is 7x7 not Scottish? Why is he posting on this topic so much?

He has a love of Scotland and he alone can only inform the people of Scotland of the disadvantages of a yes vote...He has mentioned that there are advantages but as such he has not provided any to the uninformed..

They will be fully explained at the offices of the no vote campaign....if you can find any of them that is.

Seems they forgot all the voters are not in the Home Counties.

I'll take it he is resident in Scotland and is entitled to a vote?

[RuamRudy]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

So, the oft debated reserves figures - does anyone you know if these prospects are included in the unproven estimates?

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[smokie36]

Patts....you won't be surprised to hear he lives in the South East of England.

Not that it makes any difference here...all are entitled to air their views and an independent Scotland will have an effect on the rest of the UK.

[jpinx]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

So, the oft debated reserves figures - does anyone you know if these prospects are included in the unproven estimates?

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look at the map. If one considers an Independent Scotland, that leaves England sharing the southern part of the North Sea with Europe, and in the west it is sharing the irish sea with Ireland. Scotland, on the other hand, has vast tracts of sea-floor available for exploration, and the pickings are rich indeed when the technology is available - something Scotland has excelled at for centuries.

Added quick map to demonstrate the point

Edited June 2, 2014 by jpinx

[wigantojapan]

[RuamRudy]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

So, the oft debated reserves figures - does anyone you know if these prospects are included in the unproven estimates?

Sent from my SM-N900 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

look at the map. If one considers an Independent Scotland, that leaves England sharing the southern part of the North Sea with Europe, and in the west it is sharing the irish sea with Ireland. Scotland, on the other hand, has vast tracts of sea-floor available for exploration, and the pickings are rich indeed when the technology is available - something Scotland has excelled at for centuries.

Added quick map to demonstrate the point

So, to be clear, when people are talking about declining reserves they are referring to the Central and Northern North Sea and West of Shetland, but are not referring to the untapped potential of the Clyde basin and Atlantic area.

I would be surprised if the Clyde Basin was a problem in terms of current technical ability - there are already fields operating a bit further south in Liverpool Bay and Cardigan Bay. We just need to overcome the MoD obstacle.

As for the open Atlantic, clearly a very different environment, but as you say, we are a nation of engineers. BP has been operating West of Shetland for many years with the Foinaven, Clair and Schiehallion fields so the encroachment has begun.

[jpinx]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

So, the oft debated reserves figures - does anyone you know if these prospects are included in the unproven estimates?

Sent from my SM-N900 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

look at the map. If one considers an Independent Scotland, that leaves England sharing the southern part of the North Sea with Europe, and in the west it is sharing the irish sea with Ireland. Scotland, on the other hand, has vast tracts of sea-floor available for exploration, and the pickings are rich indeed when the technology is available - something Scotland has excelled at for centuries.

Added quick map to demonstrate the point

So, to be clear, when people are talking about declining reserves they are referring to the Central and Northern North Sea and West of Shetland, but are not referring to the untapped potential of the Clyde basin and Atlantic area.

I would be surprised if the Clyde Basin was a problem in terms of current technical ability - there are already fields operating a bit further south in Liverpool Bay and Cardigan Bay. We just need to overcome the MoD obstacle.

As for the open Atlantic, clearly a very different environment, but as you say, we are a nation of engineers. BP has been operating West of Shetland for many years with the Foinaven, Clair and Schiehallion fields so the encroachment has begun.

I suggest that the topic of Oil/gas is a red herring since it is obvious to anyone with any first-hand knowledge of the explorations done to date that Scotland could easily be exporting a lot to England and EU. When the oil runs out the already established lead Scotland has in windfarming and other alternate energy technologies will ensure a smooth transition. I really do not understand those who use energy as a reason to stay in UK.

Similarly the issues of finances, social care/standard-of-living, EU membership, etc -- all have been done to death. BetterTogether is really scared of losing the tax revenue -- that is abundantly clear.

[7by7]

There has never been a Uk NHS.

Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service

. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's

. So no UK NHS ever

In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.

That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.

This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.

The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.

There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.

In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.

Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?

Is this just your opinion, or have you copied and pasted it?

If the latter; a link please; not only because the forum rules require it, but also so we can assess the source; e.g. is it the UK government saying this or is it just more wishful thinking by the Yes campaign?

If the former; then I again ask the question left unanswered; why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK to residents of any other country which is independent of the UK?

Even non resident British citizens are only entitled to the most basic A&E care, the same as other non residents!

[7by7]

Is 7x7 not Scottish? Why is he posting on this topic so much?

So you are saying that because I am English I am not allowed to hold or express an opinion on this matter of great import not only to Scotland but also to the rest of the UK?

I have repeatedly said in this topic that I believe the UK will lose if Scotland leaves; I have also said that I believe that Scotland will lose more.

[7by7]

I see we have had more posts alleging lies from the No side; but have as yet had no comments from the pro independence lobby here on the proven lies about the finances of an independent Scotland which came to light via leaked documents from the SNP!

[jpinx]

There has never been a Uk NHS.

Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service

. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's

. So no UK NHS ever

In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.

That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.

This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.

The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.

There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.

In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.

Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?

Is this just your opinion, or have you copied and pasted it?

If the latter; a link please; not only because the forum rules require it, but also so we can assess the source; e.g. is it the UK government saying this or is it just more wishful thinking by the Yes campaign?

If the former; then I again ask the question left unanswered; why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK to residents of any other country which is independent of the UK?

Even non resident British citizens are only entitled to the most basic A&E care, the same as other non residents!

The topic is a non-issue. Independence means just that. Travelling to England will be travelling abroad and will be very similar to a trip to France or Germany or Ireland. What is the problem ?

for the record -- NHS Scotland has been around for longer than most contributors here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_NHS_Scotland

http://www.show.scot.nhs.uk/introduction.aspx

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Health/About/NHS-Scotland

http://www.ournhsscotland.com/

enough links now ?

Edited June 2, 2014 by jpinx

[jpinx]

I see we have had more posts alleging lies from the No side; but have as yet had no comments from the pro independence lobby here on the proven lies about the finances of an independent Scotland which came to light via leaked documents from the SNP!

what lies ???? Links please

[7by7]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE

West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

When you consider the rate of unemployment in Scotland throughout the late 80's it truly is shocking this decision.

Just another reason to vote for self determination....let us Scots decide what is best for Scotland...not a bunch of Tories we would never vote for!

It seems that the MoD had good reasons for objecting to the development at the time.

Plus, of course, for 13 years a Scots led Labour government, which was voted for by the majority of Scots, had ample time to reverse this decision.

Then there's the thousands of civilian jobs provided by the MoD and it's contractors in Scotland; most of which will be lost if Scotland leaves the UK.

[7by7]

I see we have had more posts alleging lies from the No side; but have as yet had no comments from the pro independence lobby here on the proven lies about the finances of an independent Scotland which came to light via leaked documents from the SNP!

what lies ???? Links please

Leaked SNP papers - what they didn't want you to know...

The leaked Swinney files The truth about taxes, spending and oil in a separate Scotland

The Swinney files part 2

Sourced from Better Together.

SNP disarray over claims UK 'dividend' worth £1,400 to every Scot

"In a car-crash radio interview preceding the press conference, John Swinney, the Scottish Finance Minister, was repeatedly challenged to say how much it cost to create the infrastructure of a separate Scotland but could not.

Barely two hours later, Mr Salmond announced at the press conference the figure was £250 million.

However, this cost did not feature in his document and contradicted a leaked report by Mr Swinney, which said the cost of a new Scottish tax agency alone would be between £575 million and £625 million."

Doubtless the pro independence lobby here will come back to state that the SNP are not necessarily going to be the future government of an independent Scotland.

But they are the current Scottish governing party so should know the figures!

[RuamRudy]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoE

West coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

When you consider the rate of unemployment in Scotland throughout the late 80's it truly is shocking this decision.

Just another reason to vote for self determination....let us Scots decide what is best for Scotland...not a bunch of Tories we would never vote for!

It seems that the MoD had good reasons for objecting to the development at the time.

Plus, of course, for 13 years a Scots led Labour government, which was voted for by the majority of Scots, had ample time to reverse this decision.

Then there's the thousands of civilian jobs provided by the MoD and it's contractors in Scotland; most of which will be lost if Scotland leaves the UK.

I know that the No campaign are fixated only on doom and gloom, but I am sure that you can see the positives of a potential new oil boom on the west coast? Obviously it is inconvenient in that it drives a coach and horses through the BT scaremongering that Scotland has only half a dozen barrels of oil left to produce. As for the engineering boost to the country, a huge opportunity.

[jpinx]

Leaked SNP papers - what they didn't want you to know...

The leaked Swinney files The truth about taxes, spending and oil in a separate Scotland

The Swinney files part 2

Sourced from Better Together.

SNP disarray over claims UK 'dividend' worth £1,400 to every Scot

"In a car-crash radio interview preceding the press conference, John Swinney, the Scottish Finance Minister, was repeatedly challenged to say how much it cost to create the infrastructure of a separate Scotland but could not.

Barely two hours later, Mr Salmond announced at the press conference the figure was £250 million.

However, this cost did not feature in his document and contradicted a leaked report by Mr Swinney, which said the cost of a new Scottish tax agency alone would be between £575 million and £625 million."

Doubtless the pro independence lobby here will come back to state that the SNP are not necessarily going to be the future government of an independent Scotland.

But they are the current Scottish governing party so should know the figures!

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7by7 -- I surprised myself by actually reading that !! The nub of this is that it is a forecast -- not a reality. The forecasters have been wrong more times than anyones cares to admit, so I am not about to worry when they say 9.9% and it might be 8.8% -- or whatever.

Thanks for the link, but I admit that I was hoping for something more imperical. The results of the West of Scotland oil explorations would be interesting reading - I've only seen small parts of a few of the ones I was involved with and I'm not about to spill the beans of commercial confidential information in here. Suffice it to say - Scotland has more reserves than anyone is admitting. One reason it is under wraps is because Westminster don't want Scotland to know how wealthy Scotland really is.......

[7by7]

It is a forecast; yes. As is that produced by the Treasury.

But it is a forecast the SNP didn't want people to know about and so lied about.

[7by7]

(Multiple quotes of previous posts removed to satisfy forum software.)

I know that the No campaign are fixated only on doom and gloom,

You should read their literature with an open mind.

Whilst they do warn of the disadvantages of leaving the union, they also talk of the advantages of remaining within it.

But your acknowledging that would make your oft repeated claims of scaremongering and harping on about the so called 'Project Fear' redundant.

but I am sure that you (7by7) can see the positives of a potential new oil boom on the west coast?

Indeed; as I can also see the same for the positive potential of the oil and gas boom from fracking; in the S.E. of England in particular.

Of course, the environmentalists don't like the idea of that. I wonder what their take on drilling for oil in and around the Firth of Clyde, a SSSI, and off the west coast of Scotland, an environmentally fragile area, is.

Obviously it is inconvenient in that it drives a coach and horses through the BT scaremongering that Scotland has only half a dozen barrels of oil left to produce. As for the engineering boost to the country, a huge opportunity.

From Wiki

Reserves and production
.....UK sources give a range of estimates of reserves, but even using the most optimistic "maximum" estimate of ultimate recovery, 76% had been recovered at end 2010. Note the UK figure includes fields which are not in the North Sea (onshore, West of Shetland).

There is certainly not enough oil reserves to fund the high state benefits, low taxation regime the Yes campaign promise for very long.

But as already shown, even the SNP privately admit the figures for this don't add up!

[RuamRudy]

From Wiki

Reserves and production

.....UK sources give a range of estimates of reserves, but even using the most optimistic "maximum" estimate of ultimate recovery, 76% had been recovered at end 2010. Note the UK figure includes fields which are not in the North Sea (onshore, West of Shetland).

There is certainly not enough oil reserves to fund the high state benefits, low taxation regime the Yes campaign promise for very long.

But as already shown, even the SNP privately admit the figures for this don't add up!

The wiki you linked to is for North Sea Oil. The figures purports to include that plus West of Shetland and onshore production only. Therefore it is not relevant to our exploring the prospect of an oil boom on the Clyde Basin?

And why did you remove the Wiki link mid sentence that says, very clearly, 'citation needed'? For a man who insists on links to unambiguous information, surely an uncited wiki entry falls way below your standard of proof?

Those little faux pas aside, I am interested in how you can take an estimate and make it a certainty?

Edit: On the advice of Wikipedia where citation is needed but not provided, 'Exercise caution before relying upon unsourced claims.'

Edited June 2, 2014 by RuamRudy

[jpinx]

It is a forecast; yes. As is that produced by the Treasury.

But it is a forecast the SNP didn't want people to know about and so lied about.

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Two points 7by7,,,

If the treasury produced forecasts worth reading we would not have been through continuous cycles of boom and bust since goodness-knows-when

All politicians lie -- it's their job

It's a sad day when we rely on Treasury forecasts, the utterings of prompted politicians, and wikipedia to decide our future -- in this or any other matter...

Edited June 2, 2014 by jpinx

[smokie36]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoEWest coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

When you consider the rate of unemployment in Scotland throughout the late 80's it truly is shocking this decision.

Just another reason to vote for self determination....let us Scots decide what is best for Scotland...not a bunch of Tories we would never vote for!

It seems that the MoD had good reasons for objecting to the development at the time.

Plus, of course, for 13 years a Scots led Labour government, which was voted for by the majority of Scots, had ample time to reverse this decision.

Then there's the thousands of civilian jobs provided by the MoD and it's contractors in Scotland; most of which will be lost if Scotland leaves the UK.

There of course will be thousands of jobs for Scots should oil exploration flourish on the west coast of Scotland

Interesting you mention a Scots led UK parliament when the PM for much of the time represented a constituency in the north east of England.

Add to that the majority of MP's also being from England....its impossible to have a UK government which is Scots led 7by7....please don't try that ridiculous line again.

My point is valid....as is any MOD objection...they can object but its down to the government of the day to make the call.

A Scottish government will doubtless do what is best for its inhabitants....which the Tory government of the '80s could have cared less about.

Those of us who were unemployed....lost their jobs....told to get on our bike....or simply children watching our communities decimated by indifference and often malice of this government we never voted for and never will have taken note and will vote to rid ourselves of any chance of history repeating itself.

Scotland is not the same as England 7by7...we wish you well but its time to run our own affairs and to our own tune.

[wigantojapan]

https://www.facebook.com/notes/scotlands-big-yesno-debate/fact-oil-boom-blocked-on-the-firth-of-clyde-by-the-mod-in-the-80s/531769406913923nly ..

[nontabury]

Better together just dont tell them

http://fw.to/StUpjoEWest coast oil boom was blocked by MoD

When you consider the rate of unemployment in Scotland throughout the late 80's it truly is shocking this decision.

Just another reason to vote for self determination....let us Scots decide what is best for Scotland...not a bunch of Tories we would never vote for!

It seems that the MoD had good reasons for objecting to the development at the time.

Plus, of course, for 13 years a Scots led Labour government, which was voted for by the majority of Scots, had ample time to reverse this decision.

Then there's the thousands of civilian jobs provided by the MoD and it's contractors in Scotland; most of which will be lost if Scotland leaves the UK.

There of course will be thousands of jobs for Scots should oil exploration flourish on the west coast of Scotland

Interesting you mention a Scots led UK parliament when the PM for much of the time represented a constituency in the north east of England.

Add to that the majority of MP's also being from England....its impossible to have a UK government which is Scots led 7by7....please don't try that ridiculous line again.

My point is valid....as is any MOD objection...they can object but its down to the government of the day to make the call.

A Scottish government will doubtless do what is best for its inhabitants....which the Tory government of the '80s could have cared less about.

Those of us who were unemployed....lost their jobs....told to get on our bike....or simply children watching our communities decimated by indifference and often malice of this government we never voted for and never will have taken note and will vote to rid ourselves of any chance of history repeating itself.

Scotland is not the same as England 7by7...we wish you well but its time to run our own affairs and to our own tune.

Smokie you are so knowledgeable, that it was not until I told you on a similar thread last year, that Tony WMD Blair is in fact a Scotsman. How many English people represent Scotland as a M.P.in the house of Parliament? And how many Scott's represent an English constituency, don't forget to discount Scotsman Dennis McShane. Also don't forget to check up on the make up of the members of the cabinet since WW2, you will notice that a region containing approximately only 10% of the population, provided a much larger % of those who have governed us.

There are two English contributors to this thread, 7by7 and transom, who still believe in this so called union, however there is now a growing and probably a majority of the English people who are so pissed off with with such small minded, bigot people whose only ability is to moan and play the hard done by victim of so called English dominance,( and haven't the SNP played on that) that they will rejoice in a YES vote, I will certainly be one of those, however I do feel very sorry for those Scott's who do not count amongst the above and who are being steamrolled into this fantasy land, I wish Those well.

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[wigantojapan]

There has never been a Uk NHS.

Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service

. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's

. So no UK NHS ever

In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.

That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.

This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.

The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.

There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.

In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.

Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?

Is this just your opinion, or have you copied and pasted it?

If the latter; a link please; not only because the forum rules require it, but also so we can assess the source; e.g. is it the UK government saying this or is it just more wishful thinking by the Yes campaign?

If the former; then I again ask the question left unanswered; why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK to residents of any other country which is independent of the UK?

Even non resident British citizens are only entitled to the most basic A&E care, the same as other non residents!

As previously stated i worked in the NHS and still have family members working in both NHS ENGLAND and NHS SCOTLAND so there you have it clear enough.No link needed.

NHS Scotland patients PAY LIKE Any One ELSE WHEN THEY GET TREATMENT IN ENGLAND..OR do you want them to be treated differently and NOT PAY.

If your desire is for Scottish patients to have to pay a higher price than other nationalities,then take it up with your representatives on the South of England..I am sure more than a few would welcome that.

Now a spokesperson for The great Ormond already made that clear...So go argue with them if you want an impartial non bias answer if you believe, and you do that everything or the majority of things i write and other supporters of independence are gullible and bias..

That was also confirmed by a specialist in the NHS Scotland go ask him.... links where provided for both on the video containing the subject matter

Can you also do us a big big favor by posting your believes on the numerous forums in Scotland....You certainly would turn a lot of undecided voters onto the yes side by your tone and neutral attitude ...

Its not the yes side who has their backs to the wall

[wigantojapan]

you will notice that a region containing approximately only 10% of the population, provided a much larger % of those who have governed us. nontebury

Haha these anti scots just cant help themselves...Aye i certainly can also give you plenty of examples of anti scottishness going back 50 years

its only nontebury who is bleating on about how hard done by the Uk has been by Scotsmen,,calling the kettle black me thinks....

[RuamRudy]

however there is now a growing and probably a majority of the English people who are so pissed off with with such small minded, bigot people whose only ability is to moan and play the hard done by victim of so called English dominance,( and have't the SNP

played on that) that they will rejoice in a YES vote, I will certainly be one of those, however I do feel very sorry for those Scott's who do not count amongst the above and who are being steamrolled into this fantasy land, I wish Those well.

You have either not read or not understood so much of this thread and of the debate in which you feel so qualified to weigh in to every day.

The only people with small minds are those who either fail to see or refuse to acknowledge the untapped potential of an independent Scotland, and the only bigots are those who constantly bemoan the fact that there are a significant number of people in Scotland have the confidence and vision to demand change from the stagnation that besets our country.

Nowhere will you see in any of the recent posts here, certainly not by me or any of the regular Yes posters, and definitely not in the Yes material or ethos, ANYTHING remotely connected to an anti-English bias. Any notion of that is either fabricated to smear us, or is an invention of your own paranoia.

[transam]

Seems Mr.King of BAE has a problem with a Yes vote.

[RuamRudy]

Seems Mr.King of BAE has a problem with a Yes vote.

Exclusive to all papers: Businesses in 'We Don't Like Change' Shock!

I don't see any mention of his thoughts on the possibility of a UK referendum to pull out of the EU, but I should imagine that will also trouble him. With a pisspoor Labour party, the Lib Dems falling apart and the Tories trying to become UKIP, that is what the UK is facing.

[7by7]

There has never been a Uk NHS.

Two acts of parliament created the NHS in England(and Wales) and the NHS in Scotland. NI's assembly created their health service

. So there were 3 NHS bodies from the start and from 1969 when the NHS in Wales was created 4 NHS's

. So no UK NHS ever

In terms of treatment, if you have a very rare illness that requires specific specialised treatment that is only available in hospital in England then the same system that applies now will apply after independence.

That is NHS Scotland. will pay for the health care provided and you won't pay anything.

This only applies to treatment for rare condition where treatment is not available in Scotland.

The EHIC card wil operate as it does now.

There are many people with mental disorders who need specialist care in secure units only located in England and their parent health board picks up the bill for their care and treatment, etc.

In fact a similar practise happens between health boards within Scotland. For example nhs Lothian may buy care from NHS Borders if they cannot provide within their own health board. Simple, and no need for naysayers to make yet another mountain out of a molehill again.

Another question of course is why is there not the specialist units in Scotland in a better together UK?

Is this just your opinion, or have you copied and pasted it?

If the latter; a link please; not only because the forum rules require it, but also so we can assess the source; e.g. is it the UK government saying this or is it just more wishful thinking by the Yes campaign?

If the former; then I again ask the question left unanswered; why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently when it comes to NHS treatment in the UK to residents of any other country which is independent of the UK?

Even non resident British citizens are only entitled to the most basic A&E care, the same as other non residents!

As previously stated i worked in the NHS and still have family members working in both NHS ENGLAND and NHS SCOTLAND so there you have it clear enough.No link needed.

NHS Scotland patients PAY LIKE Any One ELSE WHEN THEY GET TREATMENT IN ENGLAND..OR do you want them to be treated differently and NOT PAY.

If your desire is for Scottish patients to have to pay a higher price than other nationalities,then take it up with your representatives on the South of England..I am sure more than a few would welcome that.

Now a spokesperson for The great Ormond already made that clear...So go argue with them if you want an impartial non bias answer if you believe, and you do that everything or the majority of things i write and other supporters of independence are gullible and bias..

That was also confirmed by a specialist in the NHS Scotland go ask him.... links where provided for both on the video containing the subject matter

Can you also do us a big big favor by posting your believes on the numerous forums in Scotland....You certainly would turn a lot of undecided voters onto the yes side by your tone and neutral attitude ...

Its not the yes side who has their backs to the wall

At the moment Scottish residents, being also UK residents, do not pay for NHS treatment in another part of the UK. Except, of course, through their taxes just like the rest of us.

If you bothered to read the CAB link I provided earlier you would have seen that the same is not true of non UK residents; even if they are British citizens.

I have never said that residents of an independent Scotland should pay a higher price than other non UK residents.

What I am saying is that they should be treated in exactly the same way as other non UK residents.

Surely you are aware that even EU citizens with an EHIC card cannot come to the UK specifically for medical treatment on the NHS. The card only covers emergency treatment whilst they are here; as it does for UK citizens travelling in other EU states.

Why should residents of an independent Scotland be treated any differently to all other non UK residents?

It is obvious that this is yet another area where the Scottish independence lobby want to retain all the benefits of being part of the UK, whilst shedding all the responsibilities!

[7by7]

It is a forecast; yes. As is that produced by the Treasury.

But it is a forecast the SNP didn't want people to know about and so lied about.

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Two points 7by7,,,

If the treasury produced forecasts worth reading we would not have been through continuous cycles of boom and bust since goodness-knows-when

All politicians lie -- it's their job

It's a sad day when we rely on Treasury forecasts, the utterings of prompted politicians, and wikipedia to decide our future -- in this or any other matter...

No matter how unreliable, or otherwise, Treasury forecasts have been; at least they don't lie about them and try to hide their real figures from the public.

Unlike the SNP!

Yes, I am well aware of the question:

How can you tell if a politician is lying?

His lips are moving!

But if the economic case for independence is as strong as Salmond and his party say it is; why did they have to lie about these forecasts?