siampolee Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jutuporns rhetoric has spawned the violence and one can but only suppose that lessons have been learnt from the Red shirt movements in 2010, how long before L.P.G. tankers are parked into strategic areas and round housing complexes ? Sadly tempers run high in civil disturbances as I well know having been involved in keeping sides apart in the past, common sense flies out of the window when rhetoric from protest leaders condones or suggest force might or in fact will used to settle the possession of certain areas. interesting to note though that as usual those proponents of vigorous physical action are far from the scene of conflict and surrounded by a cordon of defenders unlike the front line protesters. 'Twould be interesting to se the reaction of those involved in this current violence if those gendarmes who were policing demonstrations on the Parisian Left Bank were to appear on the scene swinging their famous or infamous lead weighted capes around them. Didn't half make the fillings in your teeth rattle if you got a clout round the ear from one of those capes. In my opinion Jutuporn has incited violence and actions where there was no indication of such activities prior to his inflammatory remarks and his suggested actions.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slapout Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jutaporn has been waving a red flag at the anti government protestors since he arrived on scene. His warning to the students to stay away got the reaction that should been/was expected. The animals are out of class for the weedend, its daylight so they are going to do a little flaunting, themselves. The individuals behind the pro government meet up in Bangkok, when the anti government groups are roaming around was either a calculated plan to esculate what has been well behaved protests, or they were brain dead. Then to invite a fire brand like Jutaporn would support both possibilities. There are losts of rtowns/space in Thailand for both groups to go about their rat killing, while being out of sight of each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. A post containing Thai language has been removed. This is an English language forum, lets keep the updates in English please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Suthep and Abhisit are both due at the criminal court on 12th December to face the murder charges. What we know now is that not only are Sutheps mob breaking the law, they are now confirmed as violent thugs having beaten up 2 old men and smashed up a taxi. Suthep appears hell bent on not going to court for his murder charge on the 12th - the question is now just how violent will these criminals now become in the coming hours and days. They cannot win by elections, they are now using criminal activity and violence to try to get back in power and topple the democratically elected government (and also avoid Suthep facing his murder charge along with Abhisit at the criminal court on the 12th December perhaps...........) No Magenta, in fact we do not know that. We do know that almost all of the protesters have taken part in civil disobedience. We do not know that the group of RU students have anything to do with Suthep at all. When Suthep listed the leadership of that alliance there was not a member of that group listed that I am aware of. Again I am sure we will find out more. But I expect you will be cross posting your rants on multiple threads every minute for awhile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jutuporns rhetoric has spawned the violence and one can but only suppose that lessons have been learnt from the Red shirt movements in 2010, how long before L.P.G. tankers are parked into strategic areas and round housing complexes ? Sadly tempers run high in civil disturbances as I well know having been involved in keeping sides apart in the past, common sense flies out of the window when rhetoric from protest leaders condones or suggest force might or in fact will used to settle the possession of certain areas. interesting to note though that as usual those proponents of vigorous physical action are far from the scene of conflict and surrounded by a cordon of defenders unlike the front line protesters. 'Twould be interesting to se the reaction of those involved in this current violence if those gendarmes who were policing demonstrations on the Parisian Left Bank were to appear on the scene swinging their famous or infamous lead weighted capes around them. Didn't half make the fillings in your teeth rattle if you got a clout round the ear from one of those capes. In my opinion Jutuporn has incited violence and actions where there was no indication of such activities prior to his inflammatory remarks and his suggested actions.. LOL Jatuporn heard the rumours that the violent anti-government protestors were going to try to get near to the red shirts to create touble. So he warned them to stay away. But they came, beat up two old men, smashed up a taxi - all in the name of Sutheps anti-government protests. You cannot spin this around - the anti-government protestors have shown their true form now - violence, beating up old people (seriously beating them) and smashing up a car. They now have no moral high ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geronimo Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I just came down Ramkhamhaeng Rd all the way to Minburi and there are literally thousands of coaches going the other way, filled with red shirts heading into the city! Frightening!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Magenta2013 post # 85 They are blowing whistles......... kind of a give away they are Sutheps violent anti-government thugs. Since when did blowing whistles constitute violence I ask? As a propagandist you are not very subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 1000,s !! Sent from my iPad using ThaiVisa app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottocus Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 It's gonna get bloody people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 They are blowing whistles......... kind of a give away they are Sutheps violent anti-government thugs. No Magenta, it means they are blowing whistles. Which most probably signifies they are indeed anti-government, It does not mean that they have any connection or direction from the alliance led by Suthep. Again you need to start looking at the Thai press for what happened about 3pm . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ballpoint Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 More confirmation and pics : Coconuts Bangkok @CoconutsBangkok 2m Taxi, carrying a red shirt, smashed when arriving at Ramkhamhaeng U via @olan_nna #Bangkok #Thailand #COCOBKK pic.twitter.com/HQqoh56Xao Also looks like its going to kick off in other area's as the Sutheps anti-democracy violent protestors start moving. Sunai @sunaibkk 3m TNN24 reporter said police at Wat Banjamaborpit Temple putting on gas masks as protesters move closer & destroyed barricades. My word! Going by all your posts, that's about 10 taxis smashed and an entire pension of old men beaten up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) The violent anti-government protestors attack more people it seems - total and utter disgrace they are. Its going to get funny if we get people who condemned the red shirts in 2010 now trying to back up and support Sutheps violent anti-government protestors in 2013. Sunai @sunaibkk 2m Motorists & bus passengers wearing red have been attacked by Ramkhamhaeng University students & anti-government groups georgehenton @georgehenton 11m Bus full of people just attacked by students for about 10 minutes. All windows smashed. People inside very shaken. It sped off. Edited November 30, 2013 by Magenta2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABloke Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Watching live. About 10min ago red-shirt car pulled up, protesters blocked the car and told the driver to go home. Driver complied. At least there wasn't violence. Earlier on there were confrontations with slight injuries from both sides. Finger pointing started, because the students alleged that red-shirts detroyed University property and police did not do anything. Not taking sides for these incidents, but volatile students (by nature - young hot-heads) and volatile red-shirts (by nature - hot-heads period) should not be in close proximity. Perhaps the reds should've chosen a better spot than an area where a huge number of Pak Tai people live (Bang Kapi/Ramkamhaeng is the Southern stronghold in BKK for those of you that want to be involved, but don't actually know anything about BKK). They seem to be craving for confrontation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 "They have their right to rally", strange but didnt the red shirts block the democrats from holding rallies/speaches in the north this year. Seems that the reds have one rule for themselves and another for everyone else, they are all crettins and jutaporn is the biggest fool of all of them.These idiots are incapable of any serious thinking and are as dumb as dog shit, the reds are just showing us all how demented they and their leaders really are. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jutuporns rhetoric has spawned the violence and one can but only suppose that lessons have been learnt from the Red shirt movements in 2010, how long before L.P.G. tankers are parked into strategic areas and round housing complexes ? Sadly tempers run high in civil disturbances as I well know having been involved in keeping sides apart in the past, common sense flies out of the window when rhetoric from protest leaders condones or suggest force might or in fact will used to settle the possession of certain areas. interesting to note though that as usual those proponents of vigorous physical action are far from the scene of conflict and surrounded by a cordon of defenders unlike the front line protesters. 'Twould be interesting to se the reaction of those involved in this current violence if those gendarmes who were policing demonstrations on the Parisian Left Bank were to appear on the scene swinging their famous or infamous lead weighted capes around them. Didn't half make the fillings in your teeth rattle if you got a clout round the ear from one of those capes. In my opinion Jutuporn has incited violence and actions where there was no indication of such activities prior to his inflammatory remarks and his suggested actions.. I just can't see how Jatuporn can be blamed for this. There were rumours that students might try to prevent red shirt buses coming in earlier. So Jatuporn in his typical firebrand nak leng style clearly says, if students don't block protesters, there won't be any trouble. So what do the students do? They attack protesters trying to enter the stadium. And this is Jatuporn's fault? He didn't say they couldn't have the area around the university, he was just claiming the right for reds to peacefully enter the stadium. You're also aware that at least four red shirts have been attacked by technical students unprovoked when leaving stadium during the past week right? I'd imagine Jatuporn spoke partly in response to that too. georgehenton @georgehenton 5m Bus full of people just attacked by students for about 10 minutes. All windows smashed. People inside very shaken. It sped off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Alternatively............ "They have their right to rally", strange but didnt the yellow shirts block the PTP from holding rallies/speaches in the south this year. Seems that the yellows have one rule for themselves and another for everyone else, they are all crettins and Suthep is the biggest fool of all of them.These idiots are incapable of any serious thinking and are as dumb as dog shit, the yellows are just showing us all how demented they and their leaders really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thainy Tim Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Jatuporn seems ignorant of Thai history. He should not underestimate Thai students when they are politically motivated. It was Ramkhamhaeng students that caused the final blow off in the 1992 political crisis by barricading themselves in their campus and refusing to back down even when the army moved tanks into position in front of them. They clearly would have stood their ground and been slaughtered, if the King hadn't intervened that night. In 1976 Thammasat students stood up to the military and were shot, beaten to death, raped and hanged, while the survivors fled to the jungles to save their lives. In 1973 Thai students fought on in the face of helicopter gunships and fought heavily armed police until all were dead. Thai students have been sleeping politically for over 20 years but now they are awake and will not go back to sleep easily. They will fight for proper democracy that forces elected representatives to respect the rule of law because it is for their future. Jatuporn, Nattuwut, Veera and all the other paid Southern lackeys leading the red shirts should take a reality check by visiting their native South and find out how much they are really loved by their own people down there. Jatuporn was a Ramkhamhaeng student leader and was one of the last people on the stage in 1992 when the bullets started flying, so I doubt he's ignorant of that particular slice of history. Thida, Weng and other red shirt leaders and no doubt some of those in the red shirt crowd were present during the demonstrations in 73, 76 and 92 also, and these stories are often told on the stage. Also it wasn't the military in 76. They were just co-ordinating things in the background. Those who actually took part in the massacre included royalist vigilantes comprised of Village Scouts (rural villagers and urban right-wing bourgeoise) and Red Gaur (technical students and high school drop outs), who were lead & encouraged by the Nawapon (a shadowy right-wing organisation which involved many of the old elites) and the Border Police. Unfortunately, I believe these particular RU students now stand against the very parliamentary democracy which you so rightly point out students have fought and died for in the past. And for some reason they seem to be deliberately trying to provoke red shirts: Jack Kurtz @photogjack 2h #bangkok bottles being thrown at Red Shirts at Rajamangala stadium. Throwers appear to be anti-govt students. L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 2h Ramkamhaeng students just chased, beat Red Shirt down main road. Confrontation over now. georgehenton @georgehenton 2h Group just chased red shirt down road. Hitting him with sticks. He has now got away. Protester leaders trying to pull people back. Is it any wonder that the students have their backs up> You can blame Jutaporn for that. He is doing his best to instigate problems, and the students won't take his threats kindly. Jutaporn is throwing down an invitation to confront the reds by intimating that the student protesters will get their <deleted> kicked by their 'battled hardened' rebels. That is just designed to rile them. If there ends up a bloody free for all riot, then Jutaporn is totally to blame,because he is now on public record to have inflamed a situation. The night is very early and the beer is not down the throat yet and it is Saturday night..... He even chose his optimum time to lay down his invitation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post noikrit Posted November 30, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted November 30, 2013 Looks Like Fab 4 is on holidays ... Over to you Magenta 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Lest anyone forget, the yellow shirts/PAD and the case of muder at Don Muang - there is a history of violence and killing associated with the yellow shirts/PAD. Yelllow shirts supporters firing guns at taxi drivers on Vibhavadi Ringsit road back then. People forgot that with 2010 and the reds. Now they can be reminded as to how violent the yellows/PAD are with events in 2013. The moral high ground they thought they had after 2010 is now gone again - they are not just violent anti-government thugs on the streets dancing to Sutheps whistle tunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seajae Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Alternatively............ "They have their right to rally", strange but didnt the yellow shirts block the PTP from holding rallies/speaches in the south this year. Seems that the yellows have one rule for themselves and another for everyone else, they are all crettins and Suthep is the biggest fool of all of them.These idiots are incapable of any serious thinking and are as dumb as dog shit, the yellows are just showing us all how demented they and their leaders really are. hahahahahaha, you have just shown us all exactly what I said, reds are too stupid to come up with their own words, they have to copy everyone else, told you that you reds were all pathetic, you obviously agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta2013 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Oh dear - the anti-government violent thugs are now kicking off. Disgrace and disgusting. The world can now see them for what they really area - just violent thugs who can never win an election because the majority of people dislike them totally. L. Suwanrumpha @TheLilyfish 3m Bus attacked outside Uni all the way to front gate of Raj stadium. Inside, a driver, child, terrified old lady and possibly one more person Agence France-Presse @AFP 6m #BREAKING: Thai opposition protesters try to force their way into Government House and also attack a bus near a pro-regime rally in Bangkok William Davies AFP @WilwithoneL 16m Around 1000 young men, anti gov protesters, outside the stadium, throwing stones towards anyone wearing a red t-shirt. George Thaivisa @georgebkk 32s Thai opposition protesters attack govt supporters: http://ow.ly/rjCBP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The fact that the nutcase Jatuporn is a spokesman for this government clearly means it is finished....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Looks Like Fab 4 is on holidays ... Over to you Magenta hmmmm could be! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 The fact that the nutcase Jatuporn is a spokesman for this government clearly means it is finished....... Jatuporn is a leader in the UDD and not in the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Suthep and Abhisit are both due at the criminal court on 12th December to face the murder charges. What we know now is that not only are Sutheps mob breaking the law, they are now confirmed as violent thugs having beaten up 2 old men and smashed up a taxi. Suthep appears hell bent on not going to court for his murder charge on the 12th - the question is now just how violent will these criminals now become in the coming hours and days. They cannot win by elections, they are now using criminal activity and violence to try to get back in power and topple the democratically elected government (and also avoid Suthep facing his murder charge along with Abhisit at the criminal court on the 12th December perhaps...........) No Magenta, in fact we do not know that. We do know that almost all of the protesters have taken part in civil disobedience. We do not know that the group of RU students have anything to do with Suthep at all. When Suthep listed the leadership of that alliance there was not a member of that group listed that I am aware of. Again I am sure we will find out more. But I expect you will be cross posting your rants on multiple threads every minute for awhile Let's see. A group comes in and settles in the stadium next door. Some students don't like what the group is for, and begin a protest themselves. After a number of days, a tub of lard with a mouth, and self appointed stadium group leader, speaks out and "warns" them not to come near, as they'll get the whooping of their lives, "I ran away from soldiers and tanks (sic), while my paid rabble fought them, and by god, I'll run away from you while this lot in the stadium fight you. Doncha know?" (Obviously a proponent of "he who starts a fight and runs away, lives to start a fight and run away another day". And a close ally to the "he who starts a fire and runs away, etc" brigade). Anyway, what would any self respecting student do? No matter their political allegiance, that's fighting talk. And by a strange coincidence (or is that another consiracy theory), that very same day, trouble erupts. To be recorded, in triple triplicate, by our very own pop up scribe. As you say, are these students anti government? Probably. Are they following Suthep's orders on this? Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesWideOpen Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) The fact that the nutcase Jatuporn is a spokesman for this government clearly means it is finished....... Jatuporn is a leader in the UDD and not in the government. A somewhat fine distinction....... As Jatuporn is clearly a stooge for Thaksin, and according to the now famous statement, " As Thaksin thinks, PTT acts" ( a statement I am sure is regretted by now) , Jatuporn is in fact representing what the government wishes. Or are you implying he is renegade lunatic in control of his own private army ?? Now that is even more scary......... Edited November 30, 2013 by EyesWideOpen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdinasia Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I agree with Emptyset on this one .... Jatuporn is a moron and should not have made that threat. That does not in any way excuse violence. I am still reading that before what we see in this thread that 2 RU students were attacked. I cannot give any English language support for that at this time. It is in Thairath newspaper online though. (If I am getting it right ... I am sure of the tweets in Thai though that report the same thing .. they seem to be creating a timeline that does not place this at the feet of the students) <------ that being said it looks as if the RU students are attacking now and not defending themselves. Retaliation when retreat is possible is not OK either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballpoint Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Or it could be that the students just don't want to see their University burned to the ground when the reds hold their going away party, so are taking premeptive action? I'm surprised more Bangkok citizens aren't fed up with Thaksin bussing loads of paid troublemakers, thugs and arsonists into their backyards, and are doing the same. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emptyset Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I agree with Emptyset on this one .... Jatuporn is a moron and should not have made that threat. That does not in any way excuse violence. I am still reading that before what we see in this thread that 2 RU students were attacked. I cannot give any English language support for that at this time. It is in Thairath newspaper online though. (If I am getting it right ... I am sure of the tweets in Thai though that report the same thing .. they seem to be creating a timeline that does not place this at the feet of the students) <------ that being said it looks as if the RU students are attacking now and not defending themselves. Retaliation when retreat is possible is not OK either. I have been following all the tweets from journalists at the scene closely and haven't seen anything about two students being injured first. All the journalists seem to be saying students initially attacked red shirts trying to get into stadium, although it seemed leaders were trying to keep them under control, but obviously they couldn't. I'm sure we'll find out more when more detailed reports come in though. georgehenton @georgehenton 1m Phone about to die. But nasty scenes here tonight fuelled by drunk students. But hard to link with main group. Let's see if Suthep condemns. As this journalist says, hard to link this directly to Suthep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I am not condoning either of the 2 following "events", but again I am a bit confused. German photo- journalist beaten by anti- government demonstrators: "He is biased and a red-supporter! He should stay away from a anti-government rally! He was clearly asking for it!" Jatuporn warns students, not to get too close to the Stadium:"How dare he? These students are just exercising their right to demonstrate..." Now -again- Jatuporn is a dangerous man, and he should be in jail, for all I care...but...bit of double standard, don't you think? Talking of double standards, the police requested a warrant for Suthep's arrest. Jauporn is clearly and repeatedly in violation of his bail conditions. Expect he'll be arrested anytime now and placed back in prison A friend of mine was near the assaulted German journalist with another journalist. My friend and the other journalist had no problems, and reported people were friendly and wanting to explain why they were there. I don't condone violence and suggesting "anyone asks for it" is silly. However, a journalist, known for his often very sympathetic comments towards red shirts and Thaksin should have exercised caution. Bit like a football supporter exercising his right to stand in the middle of the rival teams fans. It will lead to trouble, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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