Tmymaimee Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I placed my order last February at Pattaya Ford. She told me a 1 year wait. Today at the Motor Expo a Ford rep said so many falangs ordered this engine option and that was the reason for the backlog. Then she added in Thai to my girlfriend that for 80,000 baht, I could have one tomorrow. I laughed at her and said not all falangs are that stupid. The point is that I will never get my damn truck unless I pay to buy someone's position. Sure, dealers do the same at home with high demand vehicles by selling them over MSRP but eventually supply should meet demand. In this case, they will just ship more over to Australia so there will never be a surplus for Thai buyers. She also said Thai buyers won't pay the extra but never gave a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sustento Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Buy something different that isn't in such high demand? It's called 'market forces' one of the principles which the west has inculcated into Thai businesses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailoht Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I feel for the OP and all those on the back order list. I am surprised that no one has discovered the reason for the 3.2L backup, at least to the satisfaction of posters in the forum. Why is this? Until we all definitively know exactly what's going on, we should not be surprised at these type of instances. If I was presented with the opportunity that you were, I would have agreed to pay the Bt 80k but only at time of collection of a Black 4x4 3.2L, the next day(?), just to see if it could happen. Why don't we focus our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmymaimee Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wooloomooloo Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 So you're nearly there, OP. Just two months remain? Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailoht Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. The Mazda BT-50 Pro! AFAIK, they're basically the same vehicles except for a differently designed front end and a few other minor(?) cosmetic differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmymaimee Posted November 30, 2013 Author Share Posted November 30, 2013 Not quite…Pattaya Ford has to wait until no other buyers will pay the 80,000 for jumping ahead of me in line. Last weekend they said there really is no time…1 year was just said in case no one will ante up the 80,000. And of course she said it in Thai thinking I didn't understand her…why not just say it in English to me? My point is that be up front at the initial sale so everyone understands the deal. They said the reason for the delay is because the real market is Australia and almost all production is shipped there. Maybe Ford is a stronger brand there or something.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 1year?! You must be kidding. Ford are proven liars. They produce for Australia, thats why permanently no stock. Get a Mazda instead. Same car, cheaper, better bundled optionsm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailoht Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Not quite…Pattaya Ford has to wait until no other buyers will pay the 80,000 for jumping ahead of me in line. Last weekend they said there really is no time…1 year was just said in case no one will ante up the 80,000. And of course she said it in Thai thinking I didn't understand her…why not just say it in English to me? My point is that be up front at the initial sale so everyone understands the deal. They said the reason for the delay is because the real market is Australia and almost all production is shipped there. Maybe Ford is a stronger brand there or something.. Now, I understand the point you are making about 'The Scam'! So, is there a way to verify that the actual cause for the Ford 3.2L backlog is that Ford of Thailand (is probably) set up to (primarily) produce for Australia, the export market, and the Thai market gets - is left to fight over - any 3.2L production excesses? If we can determine this to be fact, why don't everyone just switch over to Mazda? Besides some cosmetic differences, are there other factors that differentiate the factors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. The new colorado will supposedly have 200hp / 400 nm of torque. If i wanted a powerful truck I'd probably look at that, given delivery problems with the ranger. Not sure when that's available though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. The new colorado will supposedly have 200hp / 400 nm of torque. If i wanted a powerful truck I'd probably look at that, given delivery problems with the ranger. Not sure when that's available though. The uprated Duramax engines are available now. One small correction though, the 2.8L makes 500Nm when paired to AT, or 440NM paired to MT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) Why go to Pattaya and the be a bar girl, when there's so many other ways to get money of foreigners? Same old wolf, different sheep's clothing. Edited November 30, 2013 by IMHO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 (edited) When did Ford Thailand lift the ban on the dealers taking orders for the Wildtrak as the last directive given was to accept no new orders until 2014. There is 2 Brand new ones on Bahtsold if your desperate for one, only 1.2million ea. Edited November 30, 2013 by Spoonman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailoht Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Why go to Pattaya and the be a bar girl, when there's so many other ways to get money of foreigners? Same old wolf, different sheep's clothing. Nicely put (by a wise 'ole Fox)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. The new colorado will supposedly have 200hp / 400 nm of torque. If i wanted a powerful truck I'd probably look at that, given delivery problems with the ranger. Not sure when that's available though. The uprated Duramax engines are available now. One small correction though, the 2.8L makes 500Nm when paired to AT, or 440NM paired to MT. Correct, I made a mistype at 12.40am...I mean't to write 500nm:) So the auto will have more torque than the manual I thought it would be the other way around...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. The new colorado will supposedly have 200hp / 400 nm of torque. If i wanted a powerful truck I'd probably look at that, given delivery problems with the ranger. Not sure when that's available though. The uprated Duramax engines are available now. One small correction though, the 2.8L makes 500Nm when paired to AT, or 440NM paired to MT. Correct, I made a mistype at 12.40am...I mean't to write 500nm:) So the auto will have more torque than the manual I thought it would be the other way around...? Manual has less torque (as well as torque limiting in lower gears) so to try to help with clutch life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jingjoke Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 #3 Thailoht said: 'Why don't we focus our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log?' It's about bloody time FORD focused its energies on satisfying the Thai market too. Just what is Ford's problem! Backlogs, let alone servicing and customer satisfaction issues illustrate poor planning, among other concerns, such as the vehicles themselves. Since Australia is their preferred market, I for one would like to read feedback from the Aussies on reliability issues, servicing, etcetera. It's high time Ford got its Thai act together. Currently it's a jug fck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoonman Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Aussie's are having similar problems with both the vehicle and aftersales service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
culicine Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 No problem. What other trucks come with a 3.2 litre diesel? Its not the wait I'm against…its that when they told me a year, it was based on nothing and here I am wasting money renting thinking there is an end in sight. The new colorado will supposedly have 200hp / 400 nm of torque. If i wanted a powerful truck I'd probably look at that, given delivery problems with the ranger. Not sure when that's available though. The uprated Duramax engines are available now. One small correction though, the 2.8L makes 500Nm when paired to AT, or 440NM paired to MT. Correct, I made a mistype at 12.40am...I mean't to write 500nm:) So the auto will have more torque than the manual I thought it would be the other way around...? my bad....again, the chev website says 550nm tq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IMHO Posted December 1, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) #3 Thailoht said: 'Why don't we focus our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log?' It's about bloody time FORD focused its energies on satisfying the Thai market too. Just what is Ford's problem! Backlogs, let alone servicing and customer satisfaction issues illustrate poor planning, among other concerns, such as the vehicles themselves. Since Australia is their preferred market, I for one would like to read feedback from the Aussies on reliability issues, servicing, etcetera. It's high time Ford got its Thai act together. Currently it's a jug fck! Some may not know this, but Ford was one of the first brands to officially sells cars on the Thai market (1913), and the first ever foreign car manufacturer to assemble in Thailand (1961). They *should* be the preeminent brand here (just as VW is in China), they just never 'got' the market here, and it appears not much has changed in the past 100 years. Edited December 1, 2013 by IMHO 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailoht Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 (edited) #3 Thailoht said: 'Why don't we focus our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log?' It's about bloody time FORD focused its energies on satisfying the Thai market too. Just what is Ford's problem! Backlogs, let alone servicing and customer satisfaction issues illustrate poor planning, among other concerns, such as the vehicles themselves. Since Australia is their preferred market, I for one would like to read feedback from the Aussies on reliability issues, servicing, etcetera. It's high time Ford got its Thai act together. Currently it's a jug fck! Some may not know this, but Ford was one of the first brands to officially sells cars on the Thai market (1913), and the first ever foreign car manufacturer to assemble in Thailand (1961). They *should* be the preeminent brand here (just as VW is in China), they just never 'got' the market here, and it appears not much has changed in the past 100 years. ^^ There you go again .... Another great informative background post: A preliminary digesting of this info alone, addresses the questions(?) you posed: "It's about bloody time FORD focused its energies on satisfying the Thai market too." With a history of never having been accepted as a market leader - a 'Contender' (AKA. 'The Raging Bull') - it answers why there has seemingly been no rush to respond to the 'sudden' and 'overwhelming' demand for their 3.2L: Their production lines have been setup to produce according to past LOS sales numbers, so, thus, (a 'tsunami-like' increase of demand =) the current backlog - kinda' like a Som Nam Na to the LOS market for historically buying relatively few Ford's and now all of a sudden wanting (to buy) them, but actually basic marketing. I can picture some of the Ford corporate types now, behind closed doors of their board rooms, looking at the LOS (backlog) market and saying, "Whose the 'Ford', now?? This is the kind of thing I was referring to when I spoke of focusing our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log and my personal interpretation of the facts of the situation as stated. Edited December 1, 2013 by thailoht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong! Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 #3 Thailoht said: 'Why don't we focus our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log?' It's about bloody time FORD focused its energies on satisfying the Thai market too. Just what is Ford's problem! Backlogs, let alone servicing and customer satisfaction issues illustrate poor planning, among other concerns, such as the vehicles themselves. Since Australia is their preferred market, I for one would like to read feedback from the Aussies on reliability issues, servicing, etcetera. It's high time Ford got its Thai act together. Currently it's a jug fck! Some may not know this, but Ford was one of the first brands to officially sells cars on the Thai market (1913), and the first ever foreign car manufacturer to assemble in Thailand (1961). They *should* be the preeminent brand here (just as VW is in China), they just never 'got' the market here, and it appears not much has changed in the past 100 years. You missed the bit where they left Thailand because dealing with Thais is often not worth the agro. As for the chap in Pattaya - try a dealer in a different town. I've seen a 3.2 on the forecourt in Udon (probably gone by now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 #3 Thailoht said: 'Why don't we focus our energies on identifying the actual cause of this Ford 3.2L back log?' It's about bloody time FORD focused its energies on satisfying the Thai market too. Just what is Ford's problem! Backlogs, let alone servicing and customer satisfaction issues illustrate poor planning, among other concerns, such as the vehicles themselves. Since Australia is their preferred market, I for one would like to read feedback from the Aussies on reliability issues, servicing, etcetera. It's high time Ford got its Thai act together. Currently it's a jug fck! Some may not know this, but Ford was one of the first brands to officially sells cars on the Thai market (1913), and the first ever foreign car manufacturer to assemble in Thailand (1961). They *should* be the preeminent brand here (just as VW is in China), they just never 'got' the market here, and it appears not much has changed in the past 100 years. You missed the bit where they left Thailand because dealing with Thais is often not worth the agro. As for the chap in Pattaya - try a dealer in a different town. I've seen a 3.2 on the forecourt in Udon (probably gone by now). Like I said, they never 'got' the market here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangsaenguy Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Been waiting for a 3.2 for 6 months. If you want a Ford there is no other choice. The 2.2 is not nearly enough engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makai128 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 V cross waiting time 2 weeks Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 (edited) If I could get an extra 80,000 baht each, for all the vehicles I could make, I don't think my "backlog" would ever go away, at least not deliberately. Add the auto sellers to airlines, hotels and Super Bowl ticket scalpers on the list of businesses using distasteful business practices to make more money. Distasteful to some anyway. Edited December 2, 2013 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wong! Posted December 2, 2013 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2013 Been waiting for a 3.2 for 6 months. If you want a Ford there is no other choice. The 2.2 is not nearly enough engine. Yes, it is. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgjackson69 Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 People throw the word "scam" around almost as loosely as they do "hero". This Ford deal might be annoying, but I do not think it is a scam. Pay the premium or wait...up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 A story as old as the 3.2 l Ford pickup as such. Told times and times again in the forum. Most people gave up after a year or so. Basically all production output of the top model goes to Australia (where the model has been developed). Profit margins being much better than in Thailand. I think that explains it all. 80000 tea money: if you really want it that is a bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chonburimaster Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 A story as old as the 3.2 l Ford pickup as such. Told times and times again in the forum. Most people gave up after a year or so. Basically all production output of the top model goes to Australia (where the model has been developed). Profit margins being much better than in Thailand. I think that explains it all. 80000 tea money: if you really want it that is a bargain. Minor correction... chassis was developed by Mazda Japan, not FoA. Cheers. Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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