Suthep's goals, and Thailand's future, remain obscure

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Suthep's Goals, And Thailand's Future, Remain Obscure
By Khaosod Online



BANGKOK: -- Weeks into their campaign to unseat the government, the aims and demands of the anti-government protesters remain unclear.

After weeks of intense street campaign organised by People′s Committee for Absolute Democracy With the King as Head of State (PCAD), which saw the occupation of several governmental offices and violent clashes, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was finally forced to announce her intention to dissolve the House and call new election earlier this morning.

But if Ms. Yingluck and her advisers had hoped the move would satisfy PCAD leaders, they were proven wrong. PCAD secrety-general and former Democrat MP, Suthep Thaugsuban, simply refused to call off the protests and continued to march on Government House.

He later told the crowd the victory is not secure yet, and that he will not stop the fights until "Thaksin Regime" is completely uprooted and an unelected ′People′s Council′ established to rule the country. Mr. Suthep also insisted that Ms. Yingluck cannot stay even as a caretaker Prime Minister.

However, his demand for ′People′s Council′ has been ruled out repeatedly by Pheu Thai leadership, including Ms. Yingluck herself, on the ground that no provision in the Constitution allows such body to be formed. Likewise, the Constitution also clearly stated that the current Prime Minister must retain his or her position until the next election.

Furthermore, Mr. Suthep had never explained the concept of his ′People′s Council′ in great details. He had vaguely described it as a body with representatives from various occupations. Earlier tonight, Mr. Suthep said the ′People′s Council′ would be a part of an even bigger Prachapiwat (People′s Glorious Revolution) - yet another term that he did not elaborate.

His hope, therefore, appears to rest on the activation of Article 7 of the 2007 Constitution which, in his interpretation, would allow His Majesty the King to replace Ms. Yingluck with a Prime Minister of his own discretion.

But Mr. Suthep′s interpretation of Article 7 has been widely condemned by academics and legal experts as an undemocratic means which would allow His Majesty the King - technically a Constitutional Monarch - to directly intervene as Absolute Monarchs in the obsolete past had done.

Mr. Suthep is also thought to be working at his hardest to convince outside forces, such as the military, the judiciary, and the palace - which are understood by many anti-government activists to be hostile to Ms. Yingluck′s faction - to back his campaign and oust Ms. Yingluck in some way.

However, many observers of Thai politics are afraid that should Ms. Yingluck′s government fall under pressure or any sort of ′coup d′etat′, the Redshirts would initiate their own campaign to retaliate Ms. Yingluck′s ousters, and Thailand might enter yet another cycle of violence that could be more devastating than 2010 unrest.

The hope that the next election, set to be the date of 2 February 2014, would help solve the crisis also remains slim, as the opposition party signals that it might boycott the election - just as it did to protest Ms. Yingluck′s brother former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra in 2006.

“Our members have not yet discussed what to do in the next election. We are not going to propose another condition to the country. We do not reject the future election, if it is the best possible solution," said Mr, Chavanond Intarakomalyasut, Spokesman of the Democrat Party.

He added, "It is not the time to discuss about the election yet".

Source: http://www.khaosod.co.th/en/view_newsonline.php?newsid=TVRNNE5qWXdNalkwTkE9PQ==

-- KHAOSOD English 2013-12-10

[ricku]

But didn't he win yesterday? He said so.

D-Day.. Ending the fight.. Peoples victory..?

Edited December 9, 2013 by ricku

[Patje]

Does this moron knows what he wants ? It seems that he does not know when to stop

[tominbkk]

They didn't mention him wanting a "people's tribunal" which would test the loyalty of civilians, and the eradication of police and the set up of community watches in their place (which actually might be ok, considering the total inefficiency of the police).

Suthep's shown himself to be quite a nut case, I'll be the first to admit it. But it is still the PT and YL's fault that Suthep got the following he did, if they had not blundered so much and been so greedy, and run so rampant over the constitution and trying to get big brother back, this would not have happened. The people's choice to back Suthep surfaced as a result of the intense hate of the Shiniwat's quest for power.

You heard the latest Thai rumor that YL is actually Thaksin's daughter? Makes sense.

Edited December 9, 2013 by tominbkk

[chooka]

I think his goals are very clear. He wants ultimate power, he wants the country and if he did get it (which I doubt) he will simply flush his 20,000 pawns down the toilet. Possibly elections in February and I think the current government will be returned and then what more demonstrations for months on end in the streets.

Has Thailand forgotten that ASEAN kicks off in 12 months and everyone else is seated and Thailand is not even dressed yet.

[jsimmons]

Any guy with half a brain can figure out this has nothing to do with democracy or saving Thailand. He is just an opportunist, just like the Taksin guy. No difference

PCAD = "Peoples Committee Against Democracy" should be an apt Acronym

Edited December 9, 2013 by jsimmons

[ricku]

Has Thailand forgotten that ASEAN kicks off in 12 months and everyone else is seated and Thailand is not even dressed yet.

Oh, Thailand is fully dressed. Dressed in modern thainess.

Them other silly countries don't understand modern thainess.

Edited December 9, 2013 by ricku

[Bender]

Yes nobody know what he want, except of course the yellow fan looney on TV forum

i hear they coming...

[NongKhaiKid]

I think his goals are very clear. He wants ultimate power, he wants the country and if he did get it (which I doubt) he will simply flush his 20,000 pawns down the toilet. Possibly elections in February and I think the current government will be returned and then what more demonstrations for months on end in the streets.

Has Thailand forgotten that ASEAN kicks off in 12 months and everyone else is seated and Thailand is not even dressed yet.

Thai politician, microphone and an audience.

[ARGUSEYE]

I liked this article in "Kao Sod" very much. Light years ahead of what I am used to read in the Thai press.

They tried to explain to me the gridlock the Thai politics are in, in an objective and unbiased way.

After reading this I am more convinced than ever:

The Thais haven't grown up yet, they behave like children. And this guy Suthep and his followers seem to be the

most spoilt brats for the moment.

[jackrich]

- i will stop when the amnesty bill is dropped.

- i will stop when the government resigns.

- i will stop when new elections are held.

- oh wait I don't want new elections, want my people's council to rule Thailand

- i want to dissolve the Royal Thai Police and replace it with my own people's guard.

- i don't accept the new election date that was announced by Royal decree.

His goals are becoming clearer and clearer. Thais are being misled about his true objectives.

[Tatsujin]

I think his goals are very clear. He wants ultimate power, he wants the country and if he did get it (which I doubt) he will simply flush his 20,000 pawns down the toilet. Possibly elections in February and I think the current government will be returned and then what more demonstrations for months on end in the streets.

Has Thailand forgotten that ASEAN kicks off in 12 months and everyone else is seated and Thailand is not even dressed yet.

Ah, ASEAN. That's a whole different ballgame, one where the xenophobes in power simply expect to be able to tell everyone else what will happen and for them to accept it cos the Thai's know best . . . always . . .

[sumrit]

Any guy with half a brain can figure out this has nothing to do with democracy or saving Thailand. He is just an opportunist, just like the Taksin guy. No difference

PCAD = "Peoples Committee Against Democracy" should be an apt Acronym

Big difference...........at least Thaksin was voted in at an election. This guy expects to be given the job without the risk of an election.

[englishoak]

Mr. Suthep had never explained the concept of his ′People′s Council′ in great details. He had vaguely described it as a body with representatives from various occupations.Earlier tonight, Mr. Suthep said the ′People′s Council′ would be a part of an even bigger Prachapiwat (People′s Glorious Revolution) - yet another term that he did not elaborate.

One of the most troubling statements yet... it is fast becoming clear this man could well be the biggest threat to stability Thailand has seen for a very very long time. This I hate to say is becoming rather sinister.

NEVER put trust in anyone who demands to scrap a current democratic system ( such as it is )so flippantly.if they do or will not lay out in great detail a new proposed system, NEVER.

This must now be taken very seriously by any Thai. Time to wake up people.

Edited December 10, 2013 by englishoak

[rogerdee123]

Suthep is proving a master at political theater which may even prove to be more powerful in the current Thai political environment than the "500 baht payments for protesters". If we take Suthep at face value or too seriously we may miss the plot.

Edited December 10, 2013 by rogerdee123

[LomSak27]

PTP OUT

No Elections

Non Elected Peoples Councils to run the country - staffed by Dems, no bi partisianship here.

And a Happy Constitution Day to you too

[nullx8]

Nothing "obcure" at all!

He is just re-playing history!

Pushing the country in a Dictatorship.

Step 1 make a enemy

Step 2 make peoples need it

Step 3 provide a solution

Step 4 eliminate competition

For the guy wrote the history books it where the Jews and the goal was world domination.

After Thaksin gone they will need a new "Evil" to keep the crowd cheering.

And guess who that may be?

My guess is either Muslims (because pappa Bush made a good job promoting them to evil) or even more simple "The Falang"

Will see.

Im the end the actions make the ousted just more powerfoul and sooner or later someone will iterfere.

Its all by the book.

[englishoak]

To my knowledge there has never been dictatorship in a country that is a constitutional monarchy, for the first to happen the second as I understand it, would have to not exist.

[Bluespunk]

"Suthep's Goals, And Thailand's Future, Remain Obscure"

That's for sure.

[Spare]

But didn't he win yesterday? He said so.

D-Day.. Ending the fight.. Peoples victory..?

Yes, he won yesterday. In fact the "People" won yesterday.

And there is more for the "People" to win today.

Yingluck will follow the fate of her brother.

And all the Shin will have to leave for Dubai.

Follow by all related to him.

They can build aan empire in Dubai if they want.

The "People" don't care.

No Shin = No Corruption.

Suthep has led the "People" to the promised land.

The Moses of God, the Mandela of Thailand

Edited December 10, 2013 by Spare

[klauskunkel]

PYou heard the latest Thai rumor that YL is actually Thaksin's daughter? Makes sense.

What would make even more sense is that the nutjob's parents are a monkey and a donkey.

Well, donkeys are not indigenous to Thailand, so that would make a half-farang...

[Bluespunk]

"Suthep's Goals, And Thailand's Future, Remain Obscure"

That's for sure.

[chooka]

But didn't he win yesterday? He said so.

D-Day.. Ending the fight.. Peoples victory..?

Yes, he won yesterday. In fact the "People" won yesterday.

And there is more for the "People" to win today.

Yingluck will follow the fate of her brother.

And all the Shin will have to leave for Dubai.

Follow by all related to him.

They can build aan empire in Dubai if they want.

The "People" don't care.

No Shin = No Corruption.

Suthep has led the "People" to the promised land.

The Moses of God, the Mandela of Thailand

Love your sense of humour, the messiah has come forth leading the minority against the majority. His band of 20,000 sheep is hardly the people. Do you really, really, really think that Thailand will be free of corruption under Suthep?

I think the guy is dangerous and has personal self interest before anything and just can't wait to rule and get his snout into the trough.

I don't think much of the current government but this Suthep character is definitely nowhere near Mandela.

[PREM-R]

But didn't he win yesterday? He said so.

D-Day.. Ending the fight.. Peoples victory..?

Yes, he won yesterday. In fact the "People" won yesterday.

And there is more for the "People" to win today.

Yingluck will follow the fate of her brother.

And all the Shin will have to leave for Dubai.

Follow by all related to him.

They can build aan empire in Dubai if they want.

The "People" don't care.

No Shin = No Corruption.

Suthep has led the "People" to the promised land.

The Moses of God, the Mandela of Thailand

Do you not know that the posession and use of narcotics is illegal in Thailand? or perhaps you are not in Thailand

[DocN]

But didn't he win yesterday? He said so.

D-Day.. Ending the fight.. Peoples victory..?

Yes, he won yesterday. In fact the "People" won yesterday.

And there is more for the "People" to win today.

Yingluck will follow the fate of her brother.

And all the Shin will have to leave for Dubai.

Follow by all related to him.

They can build aan empire in Dubai if they want.

The "People" don't care.

No Shin = No Corruption.

Suthep has led the "People" to the promised land.

The Moses of God, the Mandela of Thailand

Oh look...the troll is up early today!

[Patje]

Democrazy is not the same as democracy, can someone explain it to the fools ?

The majority tells the minority the way to go , ask Bush jr. !!!

[Ricardo]

I think his goals are very clear. He wants ultimate power, he wants the country and if he did get it (which I doubt) he will simply flush his 20,000 pawns down the toilet. Possibly elections in February and I think the current government will be returned and then what more demonstrations for months on end in the streets.

Has Thailand forgotten that ASEAN kicks off in 12 months and everyone else is seated and Thailand is not even dressed yet.

"ASEAN kicks off in 12 months"

IIRC the start has been delayed 364 days, because nobody was really ready, until the very last day of 2015.

So the start is still two years off, pity as it will prove interesting, when people start to wake-up to what has been signed-up to !

[Khonper]

Why do i think of Adolf Hitler every time i see Suthep. Same acting infront of screaming people. They want totally control with their selected friends. But i AH had bigger support from the people than Suthep.

[GAZZPA]

Nothing "obcure" at all!

He is just re-playing history!

Pushing the country in a Dictatorship.

Step 1 make a enemy

Step 2 make peoples need it

Step 3 provide a solution

Step 4 eliminate competition

For the guy wrote the history books it where the Jews and the goal was world domination.

After Thaksin gone they will need a new "Evil" to keep the crowd cheering.

And guess who that may be?

My guess is either Muslims (because pappa Bush made a good job promoting them to evil) or even more simple "The Falang"

Will see.

Im the end the actions make the ousted just more powerfoul and sooner or later someone will iterfere.

Its all by the book.

what are you talking about? don't get your point at all, it doesn't make sense. But from a couple of references it looks likely you are cutting it close.

[tingtongteesood]

BANGKOK: -- Weeks into their campaign to unseat the government, the aims and demands of the anti-government protesters remain unclear.

NO, it is perfectly clear. They want the Shin regime to end. They want the whole of the fugitive's extended family removed from politics including his brown nosing boot licking cronies, just remove the ones that have been to visit him since he ran away to evade justice, that should be enough.... Very clear to me.