Establish People's Council, or no Election: Suthep

[WitawatWatawit]

Am I missing something here? Suthep says no people's council, no election. But if a people's council is appointed what's the use of the election on Feb 2? Spend 3.8 billion baht to elect MPs who do nothing until the people's council says so? Or have to go through another election when the council deems it appropriate - and waste another 3.8 billion?

[rreddin]

" 'The faster Ms. Yingluck can resign' "... " 'the faster the nation will return to peace ' "

I believe the original quote was: "The sooner Hindenburg resigns, the faster the nation will return to peace".

I Googled the quote. The parallels are ominous.

I was also surprised to see that your post was already indexed!

[chooka]

Am I missing something here? Suthep says no people's council, no election. But if a people's council is appointed what's the use of the election on Feb 2? Spend 3.8 billion baht to elect MPs who do nothing until the people's council says so? Or have to go through another election when the council deems it appropriate - and waste another 3.8 billion?

There will never be another election when the peoples council is installed. They will remain the ultimate ruling body until the world explodes. When Suthep passes over to the otherside then the mantle of Supreme ruler will then probably be handed down to Suthep JR. A little like North Korea. The Democratic PEOPLES Republic of North Korea

Edited December 13, 2013 by chooka

[Totster]

The Dems don't win elections because Thaksin is so corrupt,

No. The Dems don't win elections because they don't get enough votes.

totster

[PREM-R]

There are not only two ways to solve the crisis, the third and best way is to take out this dictator.

I assume you must be talking about Thaksin the fugitive puppet master dictator...? Can't you understand that the Shin's are the cause of all political problems we are seeing here ? The Dems don't win elections because Thaksin is so corrupt, 3 of his parties have been dissolved when the members were banned for 5 years being convicted of electoral fraud ! Thaksin managed to avoid the bans as he gets everyone else to do his dirty work. This is why Suthep denounces elections as Thaksin will once again get his flunkies to do whatever it takes no matter how dirty to win. The fugitive ( I won't call him a 'man' as he plainly isn't gentlemanly in the least ) has no morals, no scruples, no ethics, he doesn't know the meaning of a fair fight. There can never be a 'fair' election as long as Thaksin is behind one of the sides. And look at the state of the country - rice scam, corruption, useless corrupt police, rampant inflation - the PT administration has been completely useless and done NOTHING good for the country. Thaksin is at the top of the corruption chain and it reaches down to all sectors of society. WE NEED CHANGE NOW ! Forget everything else that is going on - Suthep is simply going head to head with the Shin regime, Yingluck is being just as stubborn as he is. If she would leave then it's all over and back to business and we can hold a new election without the Shin corruption. I admit Suthep's tactics have been a bit crazy but whatever it takes to cut the Shin cancer out of the system is good in my book. Yingluck ok bai, Thaksin ok bai, Surapong ok bai, Thaksin's other relatives and cronies in power ok bai, PT ok bai. Can only be a step up for the country.

Democrat corruption prior to Thaksin (2001)

Rakkiat Sukhthana, Health Minister, was charged with taking a five million THB (125,000 USD) bribe from a drug firm and forcing state hospitals to buy medicine at exorbitant prices. After being found guilty, he jumped bail and went into hiding.

Suthep Thaugsuban, Minister of Transport and Communications, whose brokering of illegal land deals caused the fall of the Chuan government, was linked to abuse of funds in setting up a co-operative in his southern province of Surat Thani.

The "edible fence" seed scandal, in which massive overpricing of seeds distributed to rural areas happened. The Deputy Minister of Agriculture was forced to resign.

The Salween logging scandal, where up to 20,000 logs were felled illegally in the Salween forest in Mae Hong Son. Some of them turned up in the compound of the Democrat party’s office in Phichit province.

Sanan Kajornprasart, Interior Minister, as well as 8 other cabinet ministers were found to have understated their declared assets. Sanan was later barred by the Constitution Court from politics for 5 years.

You really think Thaksin started corruption in Thailand? Is Thaksin really the problem?

[SakeNigiri]

There are not only two ways to solve the crisis, the third and best way is to take out this dictator.

I assume you must be talking about Thaksin the fugitive puppet master dictator...? Can't you understand that the Shin's are the cause of all political problems we are seeing here ? The Dems don't win elections because Thaksin is so corrupt, 3 of his parties have been dissolved when the members were banned for 5 years being convicted of electoral fraud ! Thaksin managed to avoid the bans as he gets everyone else to do his dirty work. This is why Suthep denounces elections as Thaksin will once again get his flunkies to do whatever it takes no matter how dirty to win. The fugitive ( I won't call him a 'man' as he plainly isn't gentlemanly in the least ) has no morals, no scruples, no ethics, he doesn't know the meaning of a fair fight. There can never be a 'fair' election as long as Thaksin is behind one of the sides. And look at the state of the country - rice scam, corruption, useless corrupt police, rampant inflation - the PT administration has been completely useless and done NOTHING good for the country. Thaksin is at the top of the corruption chain and it reaches down to all sectors of society. WE NEED CHANGE NOW ! Forget everything else that is going on - Suthep is simply going head to head with the Shin regime, Yingluck is being just as stubborn as he is. If she would leave then it's all over and back to business and we can hold a new election without the Shin corruption. I admit Suthep's tactics have been a bit crazy but whatever it takes to cut the Shin cancer out of the system is good in my book. Yingluck ok bai, Thaksin ok bai, Surapong ok bai, Thaksin's other relatives and cronies in power ok bai, PT ok bai. Can only be a step up for the country.

"Can't you understand that the Shin's are the cause of all political problems we are seeing here?"

It was sunshine and lollipops before then! There wasn't anything wrong until that nasty Thaksin showed up and ruined everything! Twas the paragon of democracy and transparent government! No one was ever corrupt ever!

Frothing idiots, look a little deeper in to these political issues than the recent it for tat BS and maybe some real progress could happen.

maybe

[trigger571]

Excellent articles and analysis

"Thailand’s Democrat Party Is Hilariously Misnamed" http://world.time.com/2013/11/28/thailands-democrat-party-is-hilariously-misnamed/

and

"What is Really at Stake in the Thai Protests" http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/12/what-is-really-at-stake-in-the-thai-protests/?_r=0

[Local Drunk]

" 'The faster Ms. Yingluck can resign' "... " 'the faster the nation will return to peace ' "

I believe the original quote was: "The sooner Hindenburg resigns, the faster the nation will return to peace".

I Googled the quote. The parallels are ominous.

I was also surprised to see that your post was already indexed!

"The parallels are ominous."

I don't think that the parallels that you're comparing are comparable. He (Supthep) is a bit bombastic and he's pushing it to extremes in his demands but he's still out there preaching it and it will really take extreme measures to have real reform in Thailand. It's his pitch and he's playing it to the hilt.

I don't however see the Third Reich emerging from this.

[edwinchester]

Suthep has/had a couple of arrest warrants, and the fact that he hasn't been arrested to this day does indicate that something else is going on behind the scenes. I'm not sure if it will be something good to know about.

Not really, when was anyone with money, let alone a politician arrested and charged with anything???

The only person ever charged and found guilty was Thaksin (but shhh it was not political!!!!)

Thaksin was charged, found guilty and sentenced. Then conveniently allowed to flee the country. Why was he never pursued with an international arrest warrant?

Sent from my GT-I9003 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[aussieinthailand]

The term "loose cannon" comes to mind. He must know something I don't to carry on like this without getting busted for the Thai equivalent of treason. The Shins must know something to let him get away with it. Do they all believe he has the backing of the military?

What's going on that no one will touch him?

ask your Thai wife/gf who his connections/in-laws are and then you will know why he is so far untouchable...

[Totster]

Excellent articles and analysis

"Thailand’s Democrat Party Is Hilariously Misnamed" http://world.time.com/2013/11/28/thailands-democrat-party-is-hilariously-misnamed/

555555 Love that one !

totster

[dao16]

This guy is very 1984 with his speech. Essentially, if he coins a new term, just read the opposite. Absolute democracy=absolutely no democracy. People' councils will have nothing to do with the people, and so on. Very scary. He is clearly out to dismantle any semblance of democracy, so people who like this guy need to just say that. If Thais think that is better than Mr. T, fine, but don't hide behind the word "democracy" when you are arguing for the opposite.

[bigbamboo]

Oh boy, as if one egomaniac trying to run the country wasn't bad enough we now have two.

Thailand desperately needs a third party, a third hand, a third foot, anything to escape this bad dream.

[smutcakes]

Suthep has/had a couple of arrest warrants, and the fact that he hasn't been arrested to this day does indicate that something else is going on behind the scenes. I'm not sure if it will be something good to know about.

Not really, when was anyone with money, let alone a politician arrested and charged with anything???

The only person ever charged and found guilty was Thaksin (but shhh it was not political!!!!)

Thaksin was charged, found guilty and sentenced. Then conveniently allowed to flee the country. Why was he never pursued with an international arrest warrant?

Sent from my GT-I9003 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Because everyone knows it was a complete sham! plus no one wants people looking into their affairs.

[smedly]

so lets just go back 4 weeks (or 2 years if you like) and pretend Suthep and the demonstrations never happened

We would still have the most power hungry - corrupt - none transparent - bunch of crooks and thieves that ever took office in Thailand with their prime leader a convicted criminal living abroad - running things, oh wait they still are

[toybits]

Why does the name Adolf keep popping into my thoughts?

[Thailand]

The term "loose cannon" comes to mind. He must know something I don't to carry on like this without getting busted for the Thai equivalent of treason. The Shins must know something to let him get away with it. Do they all believe he has the backing of the military?

What's going on that no one will touch him?

ask your Thai wife/gf who his connections/in-laws are and then you will know why he is so far untouchable...

2006 - all over again, and I guess your wives/ gf will confirm similar associations.

[aussieinthailand]

There are not only two ways to solve the crisis, the third and best way is to take out this dictator.

I assume you must be talking about Thaksin the fugitive puppet master dictator...? Can't you understand that the Shin's are the cause of all political problems we are seeing here ? The Dems don't win elections because Thaksin is so corrupt, 3 of his parties have been dissolved when the members were banned for 5 years being convicted of electoral fraud ! Thaksin managed to avoid the bans as he gets everyone else to do his dirty work. This is why Suthep denounces elections as Thaksin will once again get his flunkies to do whatever it takes no matter how dirty to win. The fugitive ( I won't call him a 'man' as he plainly isn't gentlemanly in the least ) has no morals, no scruples, no ethics, he doesn't know the meaning of a fair fight. There can never be a 'fair' election as long as Thaksin is behind one of the sides. And look at the state of the country - rice scam, corruption, useless corrupt police, rampant inflation - the PT administration has been completely useless and done NOTHING good for the country. Thaksin is at the top of the corruption chain and it reaches down to all sectors of society. WE NEED CHANGE NOW ! Forget everything else that is going on - Suthep is simply going head to head with the Shin regime, Yingluck is being just as stubborn as he is. If she would leave then it's all over and back to business and we can hold a new election without the Shin corruption. I admit Suthep's tactics have been a bit crazy but whatever it takes to cut the Shin cancer out of the system is good in my book. Yingluck ok bai, Thaksin ok bai, Surapong ok bai, Thaksin's other relatives and cronies in power ok bai, PT ok bai. Can only be a step up for the country.

And was I thinking that a dictator would be a person that would be against public elections, No voting for the people, a selected few who will run the country, and turn over power when they see fit...

WOW thanks tingtongteesood for clarifying that for me and others

[Nickymaster]

Idiot.

What's he going to do attack voters and place fear into the community?

If he doesn't want to partake in the election that is up to him but don't start trying to instil fear into everyone else.

Sure. Let's change nothing and have another election because everything was going well in Thaksin controlled Thailand... Removing a few more checks and balances and everything should be good to go for another 4 years.

[ALFREDO]

Is Thaksin really the problem?

YES! He very successful "brainwashed" the Isaanis.

Edited December 13, 2013 by ALFREDO

[edwardandtubs]

He told the delegates the People′s Council would contain 400 seats: 300 selected from "occupation-based" quota and another 100 seats would be given to "experts" selected by the PCAD.

Suthep must have been reading Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire and decided that winding the clock back 2000 years to create a new Roman 'senate' is the way to go.

Not, perhaps, what most people would regard as 'absolute democracy'.

You don't have to go back that far. The March on Rome and Grand Council of Fascism - everything he's doing is a carbon copy of Mussolini.

[bkkfaranguy]

The term "loose cannon" comes to mind. He must know something I don't to carry on like this without getting busted for the Thai equivalent of treason. The Shins must know something to let him get away with it. Do they all believe he has the backing of the military?

What's going on that no one will touch him?

While everyone likes to rant and rave about the wealth of Thaksin he is only number 23 of the top 50 wealthiest people in Thailand from the last poll I saw. That means that suthep has the top 22 backing him with far more combined wealth than the Thaksin family could have ever had, these are the rich BKK elites that back Suthep now and have always backed this group along with the ties to the military. That is why he has not been touched and will never be touched, that is why none of them have ever been convicted even in odds of ocewhelming evidence and only people that oppose them recieve convictions.

[CPH]

Kim il Suthep.

[smutcakes]

The term "loose cannon" comes to mind. He must know something I don't to carry on like this without getting busted for the Thai equivalent of treason. The Shins must know something to let him get away with it. Do they all believe he has the backing of the military?

What's going on that no one will touch him?

While everyone likes to rant and rave about the wealth of Thaksin he is only number 23 of the top 50 wealthiest people in Thailand from the last poll I saw. That means that suthep has the top 22 backing him with far more combined wealth than the Thaksin family could have ever had, these are the rich BKK elites that back Suthep now and have always backed this group along with the ties to the military. That is why he has not been touched and will never be touched, that is why none of them have ever been convicted even in odds of ocewhelming evidence and only people that oppose them recieve convictions.

Plus the 100's of other families with hundreds of millions in undisclosed wealth- no doubt much of it raped and pillaged from the country over the last 100 years, and by all accounts if they can get rid of the certain little fly in the ointment over the past 10 years they will get back to their position when everything is returned to 'normal'

[Jasun]

I had to google 'absolute democracy' as i'd never heard of the term. This is what wikipedia said:

"an extreme form of a collective perception of order, based by the need of the human mind to control its surroundings and conduct a predictive view of perceiving the collective world."

[catmac]

nice touch the thai flag on his shirt, he must be a real patriot, you can trust him

That is one of the more obnoxious aspects of this present bunch of loonies, and PAD before them, how they usurp the emblems of Royalty (yellow shirts) or patriotism (covered in Thai flags and bunting) to imply that they, and they alone, love their Country. Same with their total lies about Thaksin wanting to abolish the Royal family and establish a republic - all lies, but as they say, repeat a lie often enough and it will be accepted as the truth.

[mca]

If Sutheps running off at the mouth lunacy bringing ex-military dictators into the conversation ( and what a nice little potted history that guy has) means he's confident that he's got some serious backers for his "ideas" then in Thailand Thaksin isn't really the problem, despite being the problem.

[HerbalEd]

Suthep calls himself democratic???? Why doesn't he want elections? Simple, because the Taksinites will most likely win again.

[banglassie]

"Absolute Democracy".. Sounds like a term DPRK, Mao Zedong or other failed communist experiment would use... Being the complete opposite of what a normal person defines Democracy like... History tells us that if he gets what he wants Thailand might be in for more serious problem than they faced in a very long time... Scary to say the least...

The only right move I can see the country take is a new election, and yea, PTP will probably win again, but so be it. The Democrats should get out in the provinces and fight to convince people to why they should change their minds, they will get much resistance in the beginning. But most of the PTP supporters wont be winning in the long run, and just as some "Farangs" get thrown out of the family when the money and support runs out, many PTP supporters will give up on them when they see that in fact nothing got better for them in the long run... And even though the process will be slow, it's the only democratic way I can see for changing the ruling side.

Just the fact that he refuses ANY form of negotiation and dialogue is scary enough, and shows well what kind of person he is... I smell doom... Doooooommmmmmmm

[Loles]

dreams, dreams ....