Bangkok: Missing 6 year old girl feared dead

[metisdead]

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[mrtoad]

Yeah, sadly for this type of offender there was always going to be more unknown victims. The transient nature of his job also made it a perfect hunting ground. Death penalty please.

[binjalin]

Yeah, sadly for this type of offender there was always going to be more unknown victims. The transient nature of his job also made it a perfect hunting ground. Death penalty please.

anything less than taking this monsters life would be an injustice

anything less than prosecuting the Father for gross negligence would be an injustice as an example of parental neglect of this precious girl who was far too young to look after herself and TRUSTED her father to look after her

Edited December 17, 2013 by binjalin

[Showbags]

I wish everyone everywhere would watch the movie, "A Time To Kill." I have never heard anyone disagree with the actions of the father after his 10 year old daughter was kidnapped, raped and killed by two men.

Most fathers would want to do it, only a few would have the stomach or balls to actually do it.

[Kilgore Trout]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

[draftvader]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

If the man didn't care at all he wouldn't have his daughter around him. Had he not cared at all he wouldn't have taken her to the truck to sleep. His actions shows the signs of a person caring but making an extraordinarily poor decision.

[binjalin]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

If the man didn't care at all he wouldn't have his daughter around him. Had he not cared at all he wouldn't have taken her to the truck to sleep. His actions shows the signs of a person caring but making an extraordinarily poor decision.

had he cared 'enough' would he take her to a late night concert? leave her in the truck? this 'caring' can be argued both ways but it DON"T HELP cartoon does it? she was left, unguarded, and that 'extraordinary poor decision' brings out the PC in you? he is responsible for his daughter - he is responsible for her death through negligence - don't give us this PC crap plz?

[draftvader]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

If the man didn't care at all he wouldn't have his daughter around him. Had he not cared at all he wouldn't have taken her to the truck to sleep. His actions shows the signs of a person caring but making an extraordinarily poor decision.

had he cared 'enough' would he take her to a late night concert? leave her in the truck? this 'caring' can be argued both ways but it DON"T HELP cartoon does it? she was left, unguarded, and that 'extraordinary poor decision' brings out the PC in you? he is responsible for his daughter - he is responsible for her death through negligence - don't give us this PC crap plz?

Read the whole thread to get my opinion rather than one post. I have posted numerous times in this thread expressing, clearly, my opinions. All I was stating here is that he obviously cared to some degree about his child, not to what extent. Fathers do not have the society inflicted necessity to be part of their children's lives in this country so this man being around his daughter at all is far more caring than many other fathers in Thailand.

Are you just waiting to jump on people about "PC crap" to the point where you knee-jerk every time something remotely like it comes up? Before you respond please go back and read my previous posts in this thread, then comment. In short, make an educated comment.

[Kilgore Trout]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

If the man didn't care at all he wouldn't have his daughter around him. Had he not cared at all he wouldn't have taken her to the truck to sleep. His actions shows the signs of a person caring but making an extraordinarily poor decision.

Hi DIDN'T have his daughter around him, that's why she got taken, geez.....

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

[draftvader]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

If the man didn't care at all he wouldn't have his daughter around him. Had he not cared at all he wouldn't have taken her to the truck to sleep. His actions shows the signs of a person caring but making an extraordinarily poor decision.

Hi DIDN'T have his daughter around him, that's why she got taken, geez.....

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

His daughter was with him that evening. As I have stated in a different post he is more caring that a lot of fathers in Thailand, a country where there is little social pressure to be a present father. He made poor decision by leaving her in the car. Doesn't mean he didn't care, just means he didn't think through the consequences. How do you gauge caring? Is there a scale that you know of?

His pain is something that I hope none of us ever has to suffer, but looking at the numbers on here I would say that, at least, 1 of us has or will. I will do everything I can to ensure it isn't me. I have held my daughter tighter for the past 24 hours and my wife and I have spoken about this at length, I am sure that every parent on here has been exactly the same.

Edited December 17, 2013 by draftvader

[Showbags]

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

If the man didn't care at all he wouldn't have his daughter around him. Had he not cared at all he wouldn't have taken her to the truck to sleep. His actions shows the signs of a person caring but making an extraordinarily poor decision.

Hi DIDN'T have his daughter around him, that's why she got taken, geez.....

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

His daughter was with him that evening. As I have stated in a different post he is more caring that a lot of fathers in Thailand, a country where there is little social pressure to be a present father. He made poor decision by leaving her in the car. Doesn't mean he didn't care, just means he didn't think through the consequences. How do you gauge caring? Is there a scale that you know of?

His pain is something that I hope none of us ever has to suffer, but looking at the numbers on here I would say that, at least, 1 of us has or will. I will do everything I can to ensure it isn't me. I have held my daughter tighter for the past 24 hours and my wife and I have spoken about this at length, I am sure that every parent on here has been exactly the same.

Funny, I would class that as a monumental piss poor decision.

Just how can you in any way fathom that it was just 1 little mistake amongst so many other caring and sharing moments between father and daughter.

No matter how many good things and caring things I do for and with my daughter...she would NEVER be left alone in a car in a city of millions, filled with desperate people, to go off for an hours more partying.

Any real caring father...without exception and without a scond thought or care, would have done 1 of 2 things, he would have waited at the car with the girl for his friends to return before taking them home, or he would have taken her home and said bad luck guys, find your own way home I have to take care of my girl....heres 100b for a taxi.

[draftvader]

Hi DIDN'T have his daughter around him, that's why she got taken, geez.....

Sent from my GT-I9100 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

His daughter was with him that evening. As I have stated in a different post he is more caring that a lot of fathers in Thailand, a country where there is little social pressure to be a present father. He made poor decision by leaving her in the car. Doesn't mean he didn't care, just means he didn't think through the consequences. How do you gauge caring? Is there a scale that you know of?

His pain is something that I hope none of us ever has to suffer, but looking at the numbers on here I would say that, at least, 1 of us has or will. I will do everything I can to ensure it isn't me. I have held my daughter tighter for the past 24 hours and my wife and I have spoken about this at length, I am sure that every parent on here has been exactly the same.

Funny, I would class that as a monumental piss poor decision.

Just how can you in any way fathom that it was just 1 little mistake amongst so many other caring and sharing moments between father and daughter.

No matter how many good things and caring things I do for and with my daughter...she would NEVER be left alone in a car in a city of millions, filled with desperate people, to go off for an hours more partying.

Any real caring father...without exception and without a scond thought or care, would have done 1 of 2 things, he would have waited at the car with the girl for his friends to return before taking them home, or he would have taken her home and said bad luck guys, find your own way home I have to take care of my girl....heres 100b for a taxi.

A lack of education and sense are not the same as a lack of caring. This man is most surely hurting more than either you or I could fathom.

[Hardened Spanker]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

Either your post is a joke,or you have serious mental health issues,I can only hope that it's the former and in very,very bad taste!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Perhaps that's true... but..

Thais seem to have quite a strong propensity to act (or fail to act) and then not take or feel any responsibility for whatever results.

Someone dies or is injured.. Mai bpen rai... Som nam nah.... Sorry... That's the way it is, or that's the person's fate.

Introspection and a strong moral compass don't seem to be high on the list here.

[Showbags]

^^ problem is...he was extremely negligent with his child...regardless of how poorly he feels now....if someone in the west, and I usually never do this west/east comparison thing as 2 different monsters...but neglect of a child is neglect no matter where....if in the west a child was left in a hot car and died, or left in the exact same situation alone in a truck while the parent went off to enjoy themselves...and this does happen a lot at casinos, then that parent is charged......why should that not be the case here...disregarding that there is most likely no law against it here....theoretically like.

[Kilgore Trout]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

Either your post is a joke,or you have serious mental health issues,I can only hope that it's the former and in very,very bad taste!

Not a joke. The law doesn't function on good intentions or perceived feelings of guilt. This guys act of wanton neglect directly led to a murder. The only way to deter this sort of thing is to hold him responsible for his actions.

For all we know he could write it off as her fate or karma. Not filing charges of willful neglect in this case is a trajedy, in my opinion.

[GarryP]

To anyone berating the Father,he is the one that you should feel the most sorry for.

Why?He will punish himself far more than anyone else could,every day of his life until the day he dies,for leaving Cartoon in that pick-up!

Anyone wanting him prosecuted really doesn't have a heart and it would be pointless anyway as he is in his own private,living Hell now and right up to his own death!

Prove to me that he will punish himself every day and that he will be living in his own personal hell.

Again, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the case and that he actually feels this way.

Bit difficult, eh? Thats why there is rule of law, and neglect is most certainly a punishable offense.

Either your post is a joke,or you have serious mental health issues,I can only hope that it's the former and in very,very bad taste!

Not a joke. The law doesn't function on good intentions or perceived feelings of guilt. This guys act of wanton neglect directly led to a murder. The only way to deter this sort of thing is to hold him responsible for his actions.

For all we know he could write it off as her fate or karma. Not filing charges of willful neglect in this case is a trajedy, in my opinion.

Would have no deterrent effect whatsoever.

[draftvader]

^^ problem is...he was extremely negligent with his child...regardless of how poorly he feels now....if someone in the west, and I usually never do this west/east comparison thing as 2 different monsters...but neglect of a child is neglect no matter where....if in the west a child was left in a hot car and died, or left in the exact same situation alone in a truck while the parent went off to enjoy themselves...and this does happen a lot at casinos, then that parent is charged......why should that not be the case here...disregarding that there is most likely no law against it here....theoretically like.

This is also for TallGuyJohninBKK. Not ignoring your post, just had to reply to 1. In the West this is unlikely to happen. That is education. We have been told for many years (no longer than 30 because I remember sitting in the car for lengthy periods with my sister when I was a kid in the 70s.....we also rode in the boot...I digress) that you shouldn't leave children in the car, now not even pets. Education.

To TallGuyJohninBKK. I agree with you that there are many cases when faith allows for a dismissive attitude towards death. On the other hand I have comforted crying Thais before when they have been dealing with loss, in love or through death. Just because the society does not expect people to be emotive doesn't mean they are not emotional. A good friend of mine lost her Mum 7 years ago and still has a good cry about it with my wife (who lost her father nearly 30 years ago).

In reality we seem to be arguing to the same end. We are viewing a scale from different perspectives and trying to make it make sense to us. It won't. For sure this man is suffering, whether because he made a catastrophically poor decision (just look at the driving decision making in this country) or because he was woefully neglectful in his parental duties (both I feel he is guilty of) it doesn't mean that he has just shrugged his shoulders and moved on. He will take this to his grave....it might even take him to his. He cares but just didn't think through his choices with the joy of education. Now he suffers. Difference? This country doesn't see the need to protect its own people from themselves because they have such low value due to minimal government investment. My country invests heavily in its people through education, healthcare, the legal system and more so life has more value. Hence our governments tell us that we shouldn't leave our children in the car, make sure they understand "stranger danger" (we know that a modern 6 year old girl in the West would not have walked calmly with a stranger away from safety), wear a helmet, wear a seat-belt, be aware of STDs/AIDS, not drink and drive...... education. Yes, yes....nanny state but now we talk about a single incident where the nanny state might have saved a life (that we would never be aware of) and we might have to concede that there is some value in it.

I don't know. I don't think I can make anybody believe that this man does care about the results of his actions and is punishing himself daily. I think I am going to down tools on this discussion and concede. People who believe like me already do and people who don't aren't going to be swayed by my pontificating. Thanks to all with and against on this. Sadly not one single point we've made has bought this poor girl back and she is/was the ultimate victim of all this. Just too sad. Keep your kids close and happy.

[Showbags]

^ it still happens....you read about it every now and again, certainly in Australia and certainly a few times in parking lots of Casinos....so don't blame education....as a parent with responsibilities and a genuine care and bond with your child...nothing is more important than their protection and safety.

Thing is...obviously...not all parents have that same level that I know I have and would expect of others.

Edited December 18, 2013 by Showbags

[metisdead]

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