Thailand's Climate Change

[shaurene]

Raining all bloody year here on Phuket - again, almost same last year. Hate it

I think Phuket is a shit hole personally, and does need a lot of rain to wash the place, sorry.

[Daniel Boon]

Global Warming is a reality ... although (as someone pointed out) 200 years is nothing in the Planet's timeline, the question is 'do humans contribute to global warming' ... and the unreserved answer is yes.

It is a complex issue, so more for the sake of ease in which I explain it;

you have a water feature (the water in the base is pumped to the feature, runs down it, into the container below a repeats) .... this is a balanced system ...

over the millennia the vegetation systems the world over have dealt with C02 (carbon dixoide) and other gasses (now commonly referred to as C02e - carbon dioxide equivalents) with natural increases (to address volcanic activities and so on) and decreases when a balance point is reached.

One significant problem is that humans (being opportunistic just like vegetation) found many uses for both vegetation and clear tracts of land to mono-crop for various applications ... at the same time, the C02e have spiked as we have been burning concentrated forms of carbon energy (oil, coal and gas); however, the vegetation that is required to address these added emissions is no longer there ....

Unfortunately there are other ramifications of these added emissions ... heat.

For my next example (using water, as it is the single most important matter on Planet Earth); imagine heating two saucepans on a stove at the same temperature with the same volume of water, but you add some cubes of ice to one;

a) which will heat quicker?

eventually the cooling effect of the ice won't slow the heating / global warming down

c) small aberrations in heat-waves around the world causes all manner of species to die from over-heating (bees, crucial to pollination)

So how much heat and emissions are the 'big three' - we humans unreasonably rely on - responsible for?

Coal 7,678 million tonnes burned in 2011 - 21 million tonne a day

Heat: 33 MJ per 1 kilo of coal - 21,000,000,000 x 33 =693,000,000,000 a day

Emissions (C02e) – 1.91 kilograms per kilo = 40,110,000,000 = 40 million tonne a day

[ http://www.worldcoal.org/resources/coal-statistics/ ]

[ http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/LunChen.shtml ]

Gas

112,090 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas in 2010

Heat: 38 MJ per cubic metre of natural gas

Emissions (Co2e) – 53.7 kilograms per e/GJ

[ https://www.e-education.psu.edu/eme444/node/341 [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JanyTran.shtml ]

Oil

321,200,000 barrels of oil = about 51,070,800,000 litres of fuel - 2011 - 88 million barrels a day

Heat: 6,120 MJ per 1 barrel of oil

Emission (C02e) – 2.34 kilos per litre

[ http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx ]

[ http://www.kylesconverter.com/energy,-work,-and-heat/megajoules-to-barrels-of-oil-equivalent ]

The bigger concern is CH4 (methane gas) which has 23 times the heating effect as carbon dioxide; being released in plumes from under the oceans (several kilometers wide) and from permafrost .. It would be cheaper to send collector ships to these methane plumes than fracking the land ...

[holeyman1]

I was once told that my farts were actually a contributing factor

(in a bar but barely drunk)

If that's the case then I guess men are the culprits?

[wellred]

Interesting thread. I think it's undeniable that weather systems across the world are changing. I also think there is some link between that and the increase in natural disasters we are seeing.

How is Phuket during the day? Warm?

[canuckamuck]

I would love to hear more about the snow report, where and when.

The weather changes every year a little. Always has.

Once you have been here 200 years and have kept records you might begin to know if something is unprecedented

I will wait for that report..

200 years isnt even the blink of an eye for the age of the planet.

There is always a Mr. Obvious following these threads. Yes I am aware that the Earth is slightly more than 200 years old but thanks for pointing that out. 200 years is a considerably better sample than the Op's 2 years, is it not? As it was the last time we were below the average median temperature as much as we are currently above it (approximately).

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[kannot]

Global Warming is a reality ... although (as someone pointed out) 200 years is nothing in the Planet's timeline, the question is 'do humans contribute to global warming' ... and the unreserved answer is yes.

It is a complex issue, so more for the sake of ease in which I explain it;

you have a water feature (the water in the base is pumped to the feature, runs down it, into the container below a repeats) .... this is a balanced system ...

over the millennia the vegetation systems the world over have dealt with C02 (carbon dixoide) and other gasses (now commonly referred to as C02e - carbon dioxide equivalents) with natural increases (to address volcanic activities and so on) and decreases when a balance point is reached.

One significant problem is that humans (being opportunistic just like vegetation) found many uses for both vegetation and clear tracts of land to mono-crop for various applications ... at the same time, the C02e have spiked as we have been burning concentrated forms of carbon energy (oil, coal and gas); however, the vegetation that is required to address these added emissions is no longer there ....

Unfortunately there are other ramifications of these added emissions ... heat.

For my next example (using water, as it is the single most important matter on Planet Earth); imagine heating two saucepans on a stove at the same temperature with the same volume of water, but you add some cubes of ice to one;

a) which will heat quicker?

eventually the cooling effect of the ice won't slow the heating / global warming down

c) small aberrations in heat-waves around the world causes all manner of species to die from over-heating (bees, crucial to pollination)

So how much heat and emissions are the 'big three' - we humans unreasonably rely on - responsible for?

Coal 7,678 million tonnes burned in 2011 - 21 million tonne a day

Heat: 33 MJ per 1 kilo of coal - 21,000,000,000 x 33 =693,000,000,000 a day

Emissions (C02e) – 1.91 kilograms per kilo = 40,110,000,000 = 40 million tonne a day

[ http://www.worldcoal.org/resources/coal-statistics/ ]

[ http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/LunChen.shtml ]

Gas

112,090 billion cubic feet (Bcf) of natural gas in 2010

Heat: 38 MJ per cubic metre of natural gas

Emissions (Co2e) – 53.7 kilograms per e/GJ

[ https://www.e-education.psu.edu/eme444/node/341 [http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/JanyTran.shtml ]

Oil

321,200,000 barrels of oil = about 51,070,800,000 litres of fuel - 2011 - 88 million barrels a day

Heat: 6,120 MJ per 1 barrel of oil

Emission (C02e) – 2.34 kilos per litre

[ http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx ]

[ http://www.kylesconverter.com/energy,-work,-and-heat/megajoules-to-barrels-of-oil-equivalent ]

The bigger concern is CH4 (methane gas) which has 23 times the heating effect as carbon dioxide; being released in plumes from under the oceans (several kilometers wide) and from permafrost .. It would be cheaper to send collector ships to these methane plumes than fracking the land ...

and the biggest greenhouse gas is???? water!

[kannot]

I would love to hear more about the snow report, where and when.

The weather changes every year a little. Always has.

Once you have been here 200 years and have kept records you might begin to know if something is unprecedented

I will wait for that report..

200 years isnt even the blink of an eye for the age of the planet.

There is always a Mr. Obvious following these threads. Yes I am aware that the Earth is slightly more than 200 years old but thanks for pointing that out. 200 years is a considerably better sample than the Op's 2 years, is it not? As it was the last time we were below the average median temperature as much as we are currently above it (approximately).

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Nope because both are minutely small ( love from mr? bleeding obvious)

[willyumiii]

Retraction

​After following up with my "sources" I found out I was misinformed and it did not snow in Thailand.

Should I explain?

Why not?

My wife was watching the news and got excited.

"Look, it snows in Thailand!"

I looked up and saw footage of a traffic jam caused by people driving to see the snow.

I don't understand the Thai language well enough to watch and understand the news myself.

The next morning at the school a teacher came up to me and said " It snow in Thailand yesterday!"

I assumed they were both correct and that it had snowed.

After being questioned on this thread about the snow yesterday, I asked my wife about the news report.

She said that when she saw the report the second time, it said the snow was in Vietnam and not in Thailand.

Asked the teacher and she said that when she saw the news report, she assumed it was in Thailand as well.

( I guess some Thais assume all the news is about Thailand since the rest of the world doesn't really exist for them!)

So, there you go!

I was wrong and I am sorry for the misinformation.

I will check my sources a little better in the future.

But, Damn! It has been cold this week!

[willyumiii]

I would love to hear more about the snow report, where and when.

The weather changes every year a little. Always has.

Once you have been here 200 years and have kept records you might begin to know if something is unprecedented

I will wait for that report..

200 years isnt even the blink of an eye for the age of the planet.

There is always a Mr. Obvious following these threads. Yes I am aware that the Earth is slightly more than 200 years old but thanks for pointing that out. 200 years is a considerably better sample than the Op's 2 years, is it not? As it was the last time we were below the average median temperature as much as we are currently above it (approximately).

.

For what it's worth, I just posted a retraction about the snow report.

Also, 2 years on this wonderful site does not equate to 2 years in Thailand.

I first came here in 2000.

Yes, that is not 200 years, but more than 2!

Thank you.

[Daniel Boon]

Water vapour is referred to as a gas; however, there is a distinct difference between the entropic waste gasses of burned energy (from oil, coal and gasses) which cannot be reabsorbed into the system (quickly in human years - re-read about balance), whereas water is easily reabsorbed; there is agreement that particulates of waste emissions (gasses) facilitate not only the added heat but act as a carrying agent ... keeping more water vapor in the atmosphere ...so it is important to remember that the greenhouse effect is attributable to human emissions of CO2e ... or do you dispute that kannot?