cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I am curious about the Contagious disease clause and the requirement for a medical certificate for a Retirement Visa. Would being HIV/AIDS positive be a problem, and possibly cause an application for Retirement Visa to be refused? or any other long term visa for that matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycjoe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I got my medical exam and they checked to see if I had a pulse. 100 baht. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Only applications for O-A visas in the home countries require a medical form. You don't even ever need to use an O-A visa. It is only ONE optional starting path towards legal expat retirement in Thailand. In Thailand for retirement extensions, medical forms are not required (with a few provincial office exceptions who don't follow the national rules). HIV is NOT listed on the form used for O-A visa applications! In other words, they are NOT seeking your HIV status in any way. HIV absolutely does NOT disqualify a person from retirement status in Thailand. Edited January 6, 2014 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Not even a medical. Only to fill out their specific form which does not list HIV as something they want to know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Not even a medical. Only to fill out their specific form which does not list HIV as something they want to know about. Detail here http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/reg.htm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf Possible I guess. So find a doctor who would then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf That is a distinct possibility given the form includes this......."free from any defect" (sic) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 Only applications for O-A visas in the home countries require a medical form. You don't even ever need to use an O-A visa. It is only ONE optional starting path towards legal expat retirement in Thailand. In Thailand for retirement extensions, medical forms are not required (with a few provincial office exceptions who don't follow the national rules). HIV is NOT listed on the form used for O-A visa applications! In other words, they are NOT seeking your HIV status in any way. HIV absolutely does NOT disqualify a person from retirement status in Thailand. Thanks for the prompt and helpful response. I think its important to know these things with this disease still being very prevalent in the Kingdom. Please excuse my ignorance of local visa acronyms, but what is the significance of type O-A as opposed to what you call "legal expat retirement in Thailand", and what does O-A mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 A OA visa is obtained at a Thai embassy or official consulate. An extension of stay based upon retirement is done at immigration here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) HIV is not casually transmitted. There is no logical reason for there to be immigration restrictions about it in any country at this point in history. There are countless existing threads on different paths towards retirement in Thailand already. O-A visas are NEVER required to do so. Edited January 6, 2014 by Jingthing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Actually when I was in the new Immigration at Rankhhamheng last year, they told me I could apply for a Retirement Visa now, but said the application DOES require a medical certificate, so seems both yourself and Jingthing are not correct on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Actually when I was in the new Immigration at Rankhhamheng last year, they told me I could apply for a Retirement Visa now, but said the application DOES require a medical certificate, so seems both yourself and Jingthing are not correct on this? I don't think we're wrong. I think you experienced a communication problem. BTW, retirement visas are NEVER issued in Thailand. Only conversions to Non-Immigrant O visas and annual retirement extensions. The O-A visa (Long Stay) visa can be referred to as a retirement visa but again only available in home countries. NEVER in Thailand. Edited January 6, 2014 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 It is not a re A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Actually when I was in the new Immigration at Rankhhamheng last year, they told me I could apply for a Retirement Visa now, but said the application DOES require a medical certificate, so seems both yourself and Jingthing are not correct on this? A only a few Immigration offices apply this "rule" it is not a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Not even a medical. Only to fill out their specific form which does not list HIV as something they want to know about. Detail here http://www.thaicongenvancouver.org/reg.htm Thanks, that's a helpful list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf Actually there are many long stay visa's including investment, working, marriage to Thai etc. as I understand. I appreciate the input, but just thought this should be clarifired to others that read your post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 OK, if Rankhhamheng is now requiring a medical form for CONVERSIONS from entry stamps or tourist visas to Non-Immigrant O visas (second step is retirement extension) can someone please CONFIRM that is actually true? I am not convinced it is based on this one fuzzy report. Cheers. BTW, that step could be avoided. Just go to Laos or Malaysia and apply for a single entry O visa. They won't require a medical form. Then in Thailand apply for a retirement extension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 HIV is not casually transmitted. There is no logical reason for there to be immigration restrictions about it in any country at this point in history. There are countless existing threads on different paths towards retirement in Thailand already. O-A visas are NEVER required to do so. Different Paths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf Actually there are many long stay visa's including investment, working, marriage to Thai etc. as I understand. I appreciate the input, but just thought this should be clarifired to others that read your post The O-A visa is the one that is typically LABELLED as the "Long Stay" visa. Only the O-A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 HIV is not casually transmitted. There is no logical reason for there to be immigration restrictions about it in any country at this point in history. There are countless existing threads on different paths towards retirement in Thailand already. O-A visas are NEVER required to do so. Different Paths? That is correct. Enter with another O visa. Enter with an entry stamp or tourist visa and CONVERT to a single Non-immigrant O followed by a retirement extension. O-A is only one starting option. Never a requirement to enter the retirement extension system in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 See clause 2.22 of police order 777/2551 for extension requirements there is no medical listed. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=153821 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 A"medical" is only required if applying for an O/A visa in your own country. Actually when I was in the new Immigration at Rankhhamheng last year, they told me I could apply for a Retirement Visa now, but said the application DOES require a medical certificate, so seems both yourself and Jingthing are not correct on this? I don't think we're wrong. I think you experienced a communication problem. BTW, retirement visas are NEVER issued in Thailand. Only conversions to Non-Immigrant O visas and annual retirement extensions. The O-A visa (Long Stay) visa can be referred to as a retirement visa but again only available in home countries. NEVER in Thailand. Perhaps I should explain further.... I already have a long term visa in another category, and it was during one of my renewals that I was advised to change it to a Retirement Visa. I was given the requirements details etc. and it seemed pretty clear that I could apply there and then if I wanted to. I've been in Thailand for more than 20 years, and my Thai language skills are pretty good, so I don't think I misunderstood the conversation. The fact that we didn't specifically discuss WHERE to apply, could be the problem, but as I said, the inference was more towards me applying there and then, rather than having to return home, but you may be right. I will discuss with them at my next 90 days notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf Actually there are many long stay visa's including investment, working, marriage to Thai etc. as I understand. I appreciate the input, but just thought this should be clarifired to others that read your post The other visa's mentioned only give 90 day entries a OA visa gives a 1 year entry. There are 1 year extensions of stay based upon various reasons that can be obtained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 See clause 2.22 of police order 777/2551 for extension requirements there is no medical listed. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=153821 Great document, thanks. Looks like the cheapest option these days is to get married LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 The only long stay visa is a OA visa which is for retirement. The medical certificate for it does not have HIV/AID listed. But it is possible a doctor in your home country might not sign it if you were. See: http://www.thaiembdc.us/dcdp/sites/default/files/files/consular%20application/1_3%20Medical%20Carticate.pdf Actually there are many long stay visa's including investment, working, marriage to Thai etc. as I understand. I appreciate the input, but just thought this should be clarifired to others that read your post The other visa's mentioned only give 90 day entries a OA visa gives a 1 year entry.There are 1 year extensions of stay based upon various reasons that can be obtained. OK you are referring to Entry Visa's as opposed to Visa Extensions, or locally obtained Visa's. To be honest its so long ago, I don't recall what Visa' I came in on, and it was during the last major Immiigration shakeup too. I was put through hoops and sent here and there, but I believe I did it all locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sceptict11 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Interesting that the OP claims to have been in Thailand for 20+years but has yet to learn the difference between a "visa" and an extension of stay ! Just an observation ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 HIV is not casually transmitted. There is no logical reason for there to be immigration restrictions about it in any country at this point in history. There are countless existing threads on different paths towards retirement in Thailand already. O-A visas are NEVER required to do so. Different Paths? That is correct. Enter with another O visa. Enter with an entry stamp or tourist visa and CONVERT to a single Non-immigrant O followed by a retirement extension. O-A is only one starting option. Never a requirement to enter the retirement extension system in Thailand. So if I understand you correctly, I was right in that I CAN get the "Expat Retirement in Thailand" locally, but it will be called a Visa extension for reasons of Retirement, rather than a Retirement Visa? Are there any problematic implications fo going down this "path" as you call it rather than starting with a Retirement Visa (e.g. keeping minimum requirements when the government increase them, and being able to be grandfathered in at the old rates)? Thanks very much for sharing your in depth knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Visas are not extended. A visa only allows you to enter the country and get a permit to stay. A permit to stay can be extended. In your case it would be an extension of stay based upon retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyborgx Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Interesting that the OP claims to have been in Thailand for 20+years but has yet to learn the difference between a "visa" and an extension of stay ! Just an observation ! Because I haven't had to chop and change too often, lawyers usually handle it, and since in my experience I've had to produce EXACTLY the same documentation for both Visa and Extension, and also the fact that people talk about them interchangeably in a lot of cases (incorrectly maybe but true all the same). OK? I've met people been here longer than me, and can hardly speak a work of Thai! I don't want to turn this into a silly argument thread, so can we stick to the subject of the OP please. Edited January 6, 2014 by cyborgx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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