kamahele Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Um, Douglas Mac Arthur who possibly had the most self inflated ego of any human ever, never resigned voluntarily in his life. He was fired by President Truman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tezzainoz Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yingluck to stand down would be useless. Just after she would stand down, Suthep would "upgrade" his protests again to demand that all ministers stand down, all PT politicians be banned from politics forever, Thaksin's family be sent away, all their friends muzzled, police to hand back their guns and badges, red color be banned from being used, all northern people banned from voting or even speaking, ... , ... , and me banned from criticizing him Yingluck better stay where she is. It is Suthep who should be (...) down! Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app I LOVE READING YOUR FICTION STORIES 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If Pornpimol Kanchanalak would be the prime minister she would receive a 5 year political ban from the Thai kangaroo courts for not knowing the law. The law stipulates that she MAY NOT leave her post till after the new elections. Of course the Nation want you to believe that she has to go. If she does she can't return. Of course the law are only in place for one group of people. The Royalists and the elite are allowed to break the law, call for a change in a mock constitution that has been rewritten three times to let the democrat party win and still it did not work out but if elected people do so a weird NACC sees itself fit to rule on them. The question is why the NACC an anti corruption body is allowed to rule on a vote of elected lawmakers. Pornpimol Kanchanalak is rather dumb, she must have been gotten in university by paying tea money not on her own merit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scamper Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Terrific article ! Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeThePoster Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If I were a dog, I'd be pissing on a fire hydrant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'm sure Yingluck would like the option of being able to resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongteesood Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 meh more yellow shirt propoganda, probably financed by Sutheps recent windfall of cash donations. meh more utter crap from the dog faced red fan financed by the Thaksin propaganda machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tingtongteesood Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The army will probably give her the option to resign rather than having a coup leaving the Please Thaksin party intact minus her. Sadly the other Shin cronies will still be there to do thy masters bidding 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayboy Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Articles like this show how incompetent, sided and poor is Thai journalism. If I was the author of this article and had faced US prosecutors in respect a grimy record in paying for political favours, I might hesitate before accusing other people. http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F3/192/1037/594125/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnP1752 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The army will probably give her the option to resign rather than having a coup leaving the Please Thaksin party intact minus her. Sadly the other Shin cronies will still be there to do thy masters bidding I heard they already tried that and she refused, so I guess she wants to show the world that she was evicted with a gun if the military try something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuchulainn Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 If I were the prime minister, I would resign open my wrists now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingalfred Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 He's right about one thing "3,800 million " wasted on some fake election Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOD Robin Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 No need to stand down because that has already been done. Fresh elections 2 Feb will elect a new govt. (likely to be the same govt but this is the majority's decision not a small minority mob of whistle blowers) Wrong ! not because it would be the majority's decision.... many of them poor suckers are FORCED to ! (regardless those isaan farmers realize it or not...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiok Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 meh more yellow shirt propoganda, probably financed by Sutheps recent windfall of cash donations. Suthep does not need propoganda, he is the one putting his his on the chopping board for the public! perhaps you shld read the whole topic again and this time try to digest what is being written? hello? are you there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeO Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So my second duty is to leave my job, voluntary, without anybody kicking me out. That is honour, because I know my action is in the best interest of the country, not that of myself or my family. In bidding farewell to the public, I would tell them that I prefer to resign rather than sitting tight in my prime minister's chair watching my countrymen tearing each other apart, spilling blood over the land we all call home. I prefer to let go of my grip on power, because that is the only honorable thing left to do at this juncture as a leader. Our national wounds, inflicted by all sides, are so deep and wide that healing will take a Herculean effort on everybody's part. My resignation would be the beginning of that long and arduous healing process, with many bumpy spots down the road. Does anyone else remember when a politician would resign when accused? It was considered to be the honourable thing to do. Offer your resignation, step aside until the charges against you were proven to be unfounded. Now, there is no honour, in any country, politicians stand, refusing to get off the gravy train for even a moment, regardless of the evidence against them, and the detriment to their country. Cecil Parkinson was to have been the next leader of the Conservative party in the UK after Margaret Thatcher, and potentially the next Prime Minister, until he was found to have had an extra-marital affair. He wasn't found with his hand in the till, or making shady deals for personal gain, or giving away state secrets, he was doing something that the likes of Bill Clinton was also found doing, subsequently lied about, and yet still remained in office. Even in Thailand, the 'mia noi' concept is accepted as the norm, so such behaviour would have been seen as perfectly acceptable..! However, Cecil Parkinson immediately resigned from his senior position because he felt that it was the right thing to do. He felt that politicians should always be regarded as honourable people, and if found to have been dishonourable, then they should step down. Yingluck should step down in order to show that she has the interests of the country at heart. For her to remain at the helm clearly demonstrates that she has disdain for a large section of the population (please don't start coming back at me with election figures, that's all been done to death). She should go because it is obvious that for her to stay in office is dangerously divisive for the nation. She should also inform Prompong that he has a two-year prison sentence to serve, and that if he had any honour, he would walk into the police station today to give himself up. By so doing, there is no doubt that he would immediately demonstrate some shred of honour left in him, and would undoubtedly gain approval from HM for showing such honour, with the end result being his early release. The Army Chief has given sufficient hints that he believes the PTP should capitulate and allow reforms to take place prior to any new elections being called, since they could then take place under a free and fair system. And yet, these people continue to clutch onto power, essentially because, I believe, that to step down would lead to the uncovering of the real mess that Thailand is in. That is why I believe that they all have exit plans in place for when the excretia does hit the fan. Fine, if the only way for them to go is to allow them 48 hours to get out of the country before carrying out a country-wide audit, then so be it. At least by doing that we might be able to avoid what is potentially the brink of civil war. Oh, and by the way, those up-country Red Shirt leaders who are talking about setting up a 'government in exile' should be arrested for treason...!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) So she stands down and who takes over? The problem is not solved and he doesn't answer this. A deputy (non-Shinawatra) would take over. Just because a Shinawatra is not in power, doesn't stop the PTP from existing. Everyone seems to put forward and discuss two possibilities - Yingluck or Suthep. It doesn't have to be either of them. Yes, it could have been abhisit. Oh, wait a minute, the dems boycotted the election, disrespecting the dem supporters right to vote. Edited January 9, 2014 by fab4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fab4 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So my second duty is to leave my job, voluntary, without anybody kicking me out. That is honour, because I know my action is in the best interest of the country, not that of myself or my family. In bidding farewell to the public, I would tell them that I prefer to resign rather than sitting tight in my prime minister's chair watching my countrymen tearing each other apart, spilling blood over the land we all call home. I prefer to let go of my grip on power, because that is the only honorable thing left to do at this juncture as a leader. Our national wounds, inflicted by all sides, are so deep and wide that healing will take a Herculean effort on everybody's part. My resignation would be the beginning of that long and arduous healing process, with many bumpy spots down the road. Does anyone else remember when a politician would resign when accused? It was considered to be the honourable thing to do. Offer your resignation, step aside until the charges against you were proven to be unfounded. Now, there is no honour, in any country, politicians stand, refusing to get off the gravy train for even a moment, regardless of the evidence against them, and the detriment to their country. Cecil Parkinson was to have been the next leader of the Conservative party in the UK after Margaret Thatcher, and potentially the next Prime Minister, until he was found to have had an extra-marital affair. He wasn't found with his hand in the till, or making shady deals for personal gain, or giving away state secrets, he was doing something that the likes of Bill Clinton was also found doing, subsequently lied about, and yet still remained in office. Even in Thailand, the 'mia noi' concept is accepted as the norm, so such behaviour would have been seen as perfectly acceptable..! However, Cecil Parkinson immediately resigned from his senior position because he felt that it was the right thing to do. He felt that politicians should always be regarded as honourable people, and if found to have been dishonourable, then they should step down. Yingluck should step down in order to show that she has the interests of the country at heart. For her to remain at the helm clearly demonstrates that she has disdain for a large section of the population (please don't start coming back at me with election figures, that's all been done to death). She should go because it is obvious that for her to stay in office is dangerously divisive for the nation. She should also inform Prompong that he has a two-year prison sentence to serve, and that if he had any honour, he would walk into the police station today to give himself up. By so doing, there is no doubt that he would immediately demonstrate some shred of honour left in him, and would undoubtedly gain approval from HM for showing such honour, with the end result being his early release. The Army Chief has given sufficient hints that he believes the PTP should capitulate and allow reforms to take place prior to any new elections being called, since they could then take place under a free and fair system. And yet, these people continue to clutch onto power, essentially because, I believe, that to step down would lead to the uncovering of the real mess that Thailand is in. That is why I believe that they all have exit plans in place for when the excretia does hit the fan. Fine, if the only way for them to go is to allow them 48 hours to get out of the country before carrying out a country-wide audit, then so be it. At least by doing that we might be able to avoid what is potentially the brink of civil war. Oh, and by the way, those up-country Red Shirt leaders who are talking about setting up a 'government in exile' should be arrested for treason...!! Cecil Parkinson was hardly the paragon of virtue you make him out to be - he was forced to resign after his mistress deigned to question his version of the affair in the press Sara Keays said that Mr Parkinson had not been as frank about the affair as he had claimed. She added that media comment, government pronouncements and continued speculation had placed her "in an impossible position". She said she had a "duty" to speak out about her relationship with Mr Parkinson, after perceiving that the full facts had not been made public. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/14/newsid_2534000/2534615.stm You think abhisit had any honour over the Rohingya Refugees affair, the lies about his dual citizenship, avoidance of military service, numerous lies during the events of 2010 - Don't you think he should have stepped down? Or is it only if you are related to the Shinawatra family? And you think it's perfectly allright for the Army Chief to interfere with politics? You and suthep/democrat party deserve each other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So she stands down and who takes over? The problem is not solved and he doesn't answer this. A deputy (non-Shinawatra) would take over. Just because a Shinawatra is not in power, doesn't stop the PTP from existing. Everyone seems to put forward and discuss two possibilities - Yingluck or Suthep. It doesn't have to be either of them. Yes, it could have been abhisit. Oh, wait a minute, the dems boycotted the election, disrespecting the dem supporters right to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry1011 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Articles like this show how incompetent, sided and poor is Thai journalism. Why? Because "real" journalism would not just repeat mouthpieces and talking points!Why is no one in the Thai- press actually asking Suthep any questions? Like, f.e., what exactly are your plans? It is easy to say "I want to end corruption!". The question is HOW would you do that? Even if - for one second- you would forget about who this guy is and how his past looks: I am still missing ANY program to be issued. Who is on your council of "good people"? How do you want to reform the social system? How do you want to reach an equality in education? How do your reform plans look and what do they include? Chasing the Shinawathra- Clan out of the country will exactly change...what, when it comes to corruption? Nobody has a clue about how to answer any of the questions. Not even Suthep. This is why I am so amazed that "educated" farangs blindly support this mad man. Amazing, really... Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thait Spot Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yingluck to stand down would be useless. Just after she would stand down, Suthep would "upgrade" his protests again to demand that all ministers stand down, all PT politicians be banned from politics forever, Thaksin's family be sent away, all their friends muzzled, police to hand back their guns and badges, red color be banned from being used, all northern people banned from voting or even speaking, ... , ... , and me banned from criticizing him Yingluck better stay where she is. It is Suthep who should be (...) down! Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app you really do enjoy making it up as you go along........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonao Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 meh more yellow shirt propoganda, probably financed by Sutheps recent windfall of cash donations. Suthep does not need propoganda, he is the one putting his his on the chopping board for the public! perhaps you shld read the whole topic again and this time try to digest what is being written? hello? are you there? Suthep needs and demands propaganda from the media. Remember the foreign and Thai reporters being beat up by the yellow shirt protesters because they didn't report what Suthep wanted them to report ? Hello ? knock knock? As for digesting that nonsense article ...impossible. its indigestible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickirs Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So the reporter can google a quote from MacArthur. You think MacArthur made this quote in connection with retreating, giving up, stepping down? Look at some other MacArthur quotes: "In war there is no substutte for victory." And “It is fatal to enter an war without the will to win it.” And the one that Yingluck seems to be planning on is “I Shall Return”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertson468 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yingluck to stand down would be useless. Just after she would stand down, Suthep would "upgrade" his protests again to demand that all ministers stand down, all PT politicians be banned from politics forever, Thaksin's family be sent away, all their friends muzzled, police to hand back their guns and badges, red color be banned from being used, all northern people banned from voting or even speaking, ... , ... , and me banned from criticizing him Yingluck better stay where she is. It is Suthep who should be (...) down! Sent from my HTC One using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Suthep would "upgrade" his protests again to demand that all ministers stand down, all PT politicians be banned from politics forever. I don't think Suthep needs to bother as PT seem to have effectively arranged that themselves through the various Courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiok Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 meh more yellow shirt propoganda, probably financed by Sutheps recent windfall of cash donations. Suthep does not need propoganda, he is the one putting his his on the chopping board for the public! perhaps you shld read the whole topic again and this time try to digest what is being written? hello? are you there? Suthep needs and demands propaganda from the media. Remember the foreign and Thai reporters being beat up by the yellow shirt protesters because they didn't report what Suthep wanted them to report ? Hello ? knock knock? As for digesting that nonsense article ...impossible. its indigestible. well in order to digest why dont you go among the protesters and open your eyes and ears to see who they are and then you you will be shocked, I checked it out, that's why I know they are not paid bcos they do not need to be paid...that is why I dare make the remark! Anyway, I don't think you will recognize or know them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amornpon Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yingluck resignation would not end this political mess. That's just too naive. The very same reason that Thai corruption will not suddenly end even if the Shinawathra cease to exist. A reform need to be made democratically and it will take time. But does the country has to stand still until each side get every point they want? It's time to reconcile. By the way, isn't the author of this anti corruption article, the same one who was charged in the US for lobbying many years ago? How irony. http://capitalismmagazine.com/2001/04/pauline-kanchanalak-poster-girl-for-the-futility-of-the-mccain-feingold-bill/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingalfred Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) You think abhisit had any honour over the Rohingya Refugees affair, the lies about his dual citizenship, avoidance of military service, numerous lies during the events of 2010 - Don't you think he should have stepped down? Or is it only if you are related to the Shinawatra family? And you think it's perfectly allright for the Army Chief to interfere with politics? You and suthep/democrat party deserve each other. WHERE to start with that pile of lies.you been watching too much UDD tv Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Edited January 9, 2014 by kingalfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeO Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 (edited) So my second duty is to leave my job, voluntary, without anybody kicking me out. That is honour, because I know my action is in the best interest of the country, not that of myself or my family. In bidding farewell to the public, I would tell them that I prefer to resign rather than sitting tight in my prime minister's chair watching my countrymen tearing each other apart, spilling blood over the land we all call home. I prefer to let go of my grip on power, because that is the only honorable thing left to do at this juncture as a leader. Our national wounds, inflicted by all sides, are so deep and wide that healing will take a Herculean effort on everybody's part. My resignation would be the beginning of that long and arduous healing process, with many bumpy spots down the road. Does anyone else remember when a politician would resign when accused? It was considered to be the honourable thing to do. Offer your resignation, step aside until the charges against you were proven to be unfounded. Now, there is no honour, in any country, politicians stand, refusing to get off the gravy train for even a moment, regardless of the evidence against them, and the detriment to their country. Cecil Parkinson was to have been the next leader of the Conservative party in the UK after Margaret Thatcher, and potentially the next Prime Minister, until he was found to have had an extra-marital affair. He wasn't found with his hand in the till, or making shady deals for personal gain, or giving away state secrets, he was doing something that the likes of Bill Clinton was also found doing, subsequently lied about, and yet still remained in office. Even in Thailand, the 'mia noi' concept is accepted as the norm, so such behaviour would have been seen as perfectly acceptable..! However, Cecil Parkinson immediately resigned from his senior position because he felt that it was the right thing to do. He felt that politicians should always be regarded as honourable people, and if found to have been dishonourable, then they should step down. Yingluck should step down in order to show that she has the interests of the country at heart. For her to remain at the helm clearly demonstrates that she has disdain for a large section of the population (please don't start coming back at me with election figures, that's all been done to death). She should go because it is obvious that for her to stay in office is dangerously divisive for the nation. She should also inform Prompong that he has a two-year prison sentence to serve, and that if he had any honour, he would walk into the police station today to give himself up. By so doing, there is no doubt that he would immediately demonstrate some shred of honour left in him, and would undoubtedly gain approval from HM for showing such honour, with the end result being his early release. The Army Chief has given sufficient hints that he believes the PTP should capitulate and allow reforms to take place prior to any new elections being called, since they could then take place under a free and fair system. And yet, these people continue to clutch onto power, essentially because, I believe, that to step down would lead to the uncovering of the real mess that Thailand is in. That is why I believe that they all have exit plans in place for when the excretia does hit the fan. Fine, if the only way for them to go is to allow them 48 hours to get out of the country before carrying out a country-wide audit, then so be it. At least by doing that we might be able to avoid what is potentially the brink of civil war. Oh, and by the way, those up-country Red Shirt leaders who are talking about setting up a 'government in exile' should be arrested for treason...!! Cecil Parkinson was hardly the paragon of virtue you make him out to be - he was forced to resign after his mistress deigned to question his version of the affair in the press Sara Keays said that Mr Parkinson had not been as frank about the affair as he had claimed. She added that media comment, government pronouncements and continued speculation had placed her "in an impossible position". She said she had a "duty" to speak out about her relationship with Mr Parkinson, after perceiving that the full facts had not been made public. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/14/newsid_2534000/2534615.stm You think abhisit had any honour over the Rohingya Refugees affair, the lies about his dual citizenship, avoidance of military service, numerous lies during the events of 2010 - Don't you think he should have stepped down? Or is it only if you are related to the Shinawatra family? And you think it's perfectly allright for the Army Chief to interfere with politics? You and suthep/democrat party deserve each other. If you weren't so blatantly one-sided in your posts, and took the time to consider the theme running through all of my posts, you would see that I have consistently said that the rule of law must apply to ALL persons from ALL parties. You would also see that I have consistently said that I do not see Suthep featuring in a leading role after the fall of the current government...!! What you make patently obvious is that you and Thaksin deserve each other...!! As regards your comment on Cecil Parkinson, regardless of whether or not he was a "paragon of virtue", he did the honourable thing and stood down, so my point still stands...!! Edited January 10, 2014 by GeorgeO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonao Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 meh more yellow shirt propoganda, probably financed by Sutheps recent windfall of cash donations. Suthep does not need propoganda, he is the one putting his his on the chopping board for the public! perhaps you shld read the whole topic again and this time try to digest what is being written? hello? are you there? Suthep needs and demands propaganda from the media. Remember the foreign and Thai reporters being beat up by the yellow shirt protesters because they didn't report what Suthep wanted them to report ? Hello ? knock knock? As for digesting that nonsense article ...impossible. its indigestible. well in order to digest why dont you go among the protesters and open your eyes and ears to see who they are and then you you will be shocked, I checked it out, that's why I know they are not paid bcos they do not need to be paid...that is why I dare make the remark! Anyway, I don't think you will recognize or know them?? LOL , you "checked it out" and then you know they dont get paid. has it occured to you that if they were paid, they wouldnt dare admit it. as for going down their, forget it. i'll have nothing to do with these brainwashed facists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmh8 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 lol the top research man has lost his phd for plagiarism, if even academics won't resign who will set example for pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Written by the same whack-job who claimed Cambodia was holding the temple hostage? If The Nation wants readers and advertisers, it might contemplate a more balanced approach to is reporting. Seems to work for the Bangkok Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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