Democrats to charge PM Yingluck with election fraud

[rametindallas]

Mr Satit claimed that ballots for party-list MPs will possibly be printed at higher volume than 48 million eligible voters countrywide.

“We’ve learned that the paper in stock will be good for 68 million ballots. This must be thoroughly investigated,” he said

Always nice to have a few million extra ballots to stuff in the box so the new Thaksin government can claim a mandate to do what they will with few or no checks and balances.

[millwall_fan]

If Sutheps views are to prevail it will be their friends in the judiciary that win it for them, not the deluded individuals prancing up and down the streets. Remember the airport closure didnt work - it was the judiciary fast-tracking a legal suit against TRT that brought Abhisits last illegitimate government to power.

[MGP]

See the guy behind YL looking blank.

Haha~

He should be thinking inside his head whether he should buy a air ticket for himself first?

The guy is security as is the one directly in front with the shades and I'm confident each would welcome the occasion of wringing the yellow neck of a Suthep fascist follower or two.

Have you seen Suthep's SS security goons? The two with Yingluck are casual, subdued, calm, professional. Suthep's security goons are from the South - the deep South.

smells like racism here?

[DocN]

Printing extra ballots what do exactly ...what... to the elections?

I am not 100% sure, but it would be a safe guess, that every country in the world, where elections are held, prints more ballots than they have voters, because ...you know...fire, floods, accidents....

But since PTP does it, it must be for fraud, because no one EVER will notice 200 Million votes more, than there are voters....

Jeeeeeeeeezuz, they make me dizzy!

[craigt3365]

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[toybits]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

[rametindallas]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

[Publicus]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

[longtom]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

And how exactly did you or Suthep assess the opinion of the 'Silent Majority'?

[whybother]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

It seems that toybits is saying that the Democrat party gets into power by default. It was then suggested that they must do this by causing Thaksin proxy governments to act illegally.

[Publicus]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

It seems that toybits is saying that the Democrat party gets into power by default. It was then suggested that they must do this by causing Thaksin proxy governments to act illegally.

Rejecting the current ongoing insurrection and the Democrat party's support of it hardly, if at all, means I support corruption as the poster states in his post.

Or, stated in other words, if one supports the legitimately elected government one necessarily supports corruption?

Most certainly not.

The poster and others who make this assertion are continually engaging in syllogism. Yet they never tire of throwing the syllogism at people who disagree with them. The syllogism is repeatedly present across the many threads of the recent weeks.

I'm calling you guys out on this.

[Gone]

Yeah you sure don't want a PM visiting the people of the country. How terrible that is.

Get a life !!!!!!!!!

What you don't want is a PM using taxpayers money to campaign for an election. That gives the incumbent PM a big advantage over any opposition.

How is she using taxpayers money to "campaign for an election"?

She doesn't need to "campaign". She is the PM NOW. She can't just drop all her PM duties to the people. She still has to do what a PM is supposed to do even during this shutdown.

Abisit/Suthep wants an election then they don't want an election then they want to charge their PM with election fraud..........I mean come on........let the people just decide in an election and that's that. Of course some Thai will not be happy and some will with the newly elected goverment but that's the same in any country after an election.

If the opposition wants to be elected in then they should be using this time before Feb. 2nd as their campaign time NOT as a time to insight riots, dividing a country, blood shed etc.

[rametindallas]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

I didn't say anything; I asked a question.

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

Here's a link to a good online dictionary since you don't seem to know the definition of words you use:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ BTW I stay on ON Nut (Sukhumvit 77) and have not noticed anyone tying up anything. Protests against a corrupt beyond all reason government is not insurrection; it is a protest.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

Contrary to what the propagandists on this forum keep bleating, this is not a rally by or for the Democrat Party. The rally is by all the many different groups that share the common bond of believing Thaksin and his puppet governments are bringing the country down and they are tired of the puppet government's disregard for the good of the country, disrespect to the courts' decisions, disrespect for the rule of law, lack of common decency.

in·sur·rec·tion: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government

[culicine]

It is amazing that no one has seen an obvious opportunity to start their own independent party with a charismatic leader at the helm!

Ahh, but there's the problem; "charismatic and visionary leader" who can inspire, invoke change and motivate others.

In Thailand being a clone is normal; truly educated and creative thinking a rarity, especially in Parliament!

Only the wealthy have the means (money) to get into positions of power. There are a LOT of people far more competent to run the country than any of these clowns. But they are less wealthy so can't but their position. The same fools paid their way through school and university here. Nothing ever changes. That's why people sell their votes - they know it doesn't matter who gets in - the different is that Thaksin threw a few crumbs back, but the Democrats did not.

[rametindallas]

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

And how exactly did you or Suthep assess the opinion of the 'Silent Majority'?

By opening my eyes and seeing all those students, working class, management, educators, medical personnel, and many other groups who have never protested before and are now massing, for no pay other that the possibility of getting the government to represent the people instead of promoting schemes to enrich themselves. Are you saying the current government is not one of the most corrupt that Thailand has ever had?

[pisico]

Yeah you sure don't want a PM visiting the people of the country. How terrible that is.

Get a life !!!!!!!!!

What you don't want is a PM using taxpayers money to campaign for an election. That gives the incumbent PM a big advantage over any opposition.

...As it has been done in Thailand forever. Democrats would not know that as they have not won a country wide election in the past 20 years (in spite of vote buying from all sides). Even when they did, Mr. Suthep brought the Democrat government down with his land schemes in the South and other shenanigans. Remember that he resigned his post as Minister of Agriculture lest to be indicted for malfeasance and corruption.

[rametindallas]

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

It seems that toybits is saying that the Democrat party gets into power by default. It was then suggested that they must do this by causing Thaksin proxy governments to act illegally.

Rejecting the current ongoing insurrection and the Democrat party's support of it hardly, if at all, means I support corruption as the poster states in his post.

Or, stated in other words, if one supports the legitimately elected government one necessarily supports corruption?

Most certainly not.

The poster and others who make this assertion are continually engaging in syllogism. Yet they never tire of throwing the syllogism at people who disagree with them. The syllogism is repeatedly present across the many threads of the recent weeks.

I'm calling you guys out on this.

OK since you called me out,here it is:

syl·lo·gism: a formal argument in logic that is formed by two statements and a conclusion which must be true if the two statements are true

It seems to be a common denominator among Thaksin supporters that logic is anathema to them. How else can sane people counter propaganda and outright lies?

In my opinion, anyone who supports a Thaksin puppet government is either corrupt themselves and getting rewarded for their association with the government they are completely brainwashed to be blind to the blatantly undemocratic and criminal (soon to be proved in courts of law) behavior of this Thaksin puppet government. If you ask me to, I will list a litany of transgressions by Thaksin and his successive governments that will make anything done by any previous government pale in comparison.

[whybother]

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

It seems that toybits is saying that the Democrat party gets into power by default. It was then suggested that they must do this by causing Thaksin proxy governments to act illegally.

Rejecting the current ongoing insurrection and the Democrat party's support of it hardly, if at all, means I support corruption as the poster states in his post.

Or, stated in other words, if one supports the legitimately elected government one necessarily supports corruption?

Most certainly not.

The poster and others who make this assertion are continually engaging in syllogism. Yet they never tire of throwing the syllogism at people who disagree with them. The syllogism is repeatedly present across the many threads of the recent weeks.

I'm calling you guys out on this.

You seem to be have some comprehension problems today. Who said you support corruption?

[ratcatcher]

See the guy behind YL looking blank.

Haha~

He should be thinking inside his head whether he should buy a air ticket for himself first?

The guy is security as is the one directly in front with the shades and I'm confident each would welcome the occasion of wringing the yellow neck of a Suthep fascist follower or two.

Have you seen Suthep's SS security goons? The two with Yingluck are casual, subdued, calm, professional. Suthep's security goons are from the South - the deep South.

"See the guy behind YL looking blank."

If you paid more attention, you would know that the man behind Yingluck is caretaker Transport Minister Chadchart Sittipunt, one of the more amenable and capable of the PTP gang. His facial expression is quite normal. And I am sure neither man would lower them selves to throttling anyone whether Suthep or Thaksin oriented unless Yingluck's life was threatened..

[473geo]

Poor show by Suthep......back to plan A for the Dems.....plan B being not to take part in elections as a method of returning to government

[whybother]

Yeah you sure don't want a PM visiting the people of the country. How terrible that is.

Get a life !!!!!!!!!

What you don't want is a PM using taxpayers money to campaign for an election. That gives the incumbent PM a big advantage over any opposition.

How is she using taxpayers money to "campaign for an election"?

She doesn't need to "campaign". She is the PM NOW. She can't just drop all her PM duties to the people. She still has to do what a PM is supposed to do even during this shutdown.

Abisit/Suthep wants an election then they don't want an election then they want to charge their PM with election fraud..........I mean come on........let the people just decide in an election and that's that. Of course some Thai will not be happy and some will with the newly elected goverment but that's the same in any country after an election.

If the opposition wants to be elected in then they should be using this time before Feb. 2nd as their campaign time NOT as a time to insight riots, dividing a country, blood shed etc.

Apparently they have evidence that she did use taxpayers money to campaign.

Once the government is in care-taker mode, they aren't allowed to use tax payer money to advertise what they have done or what they are going to do. That is campaigning, and it is unfair if the incumbent is allowed to use taxpayers money for campaigning and all other parties have to use donations.

Just because the Democrats aren't in the election doesn't mean Yingluck is allowed to campaign using tax payers money.

[Thailand]

If Sutheps views are to prevail it will be their friends in the judiciary that win it for them, not the deluded individuals prancing up and down the streets. Remember the airport closure didnt work - it was the judiciary fast-tracking a legal suit against TRT that brought Abhisits last illegitimate government to power.

And that is exactly what they are aiming for again.

What a pathetic bunch, on both sides. This lovely country continues be dominated by political buffoonery which created the one step forward two steps back syndrome.

The potential ASEAN partners must be laughing their wotsits off at Thailand's ongoing farce.

[GentlemanJim]

See the guy behind YL looking blank.

Haha~

He should be thinking inside his head whether he should buy a air ticket for himself first?

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The guy is security as is the one directly in front with the shades and I'm confident each would welcome the occasion of wringing the yellow neck of a Suthep fascist follower or two.

Have you seen Suthep's SS security goons? The two with Yingluck are casual, subdued, calm, professional. Suthep's security goons are from the South - the deep South.

Really funny. Are the rest of your posts to be taken with an equal dash of credibility duplicity. I suggest that as your current affairs are so limited you refrain from making political comment, it makes you look foolish.

Regardless of what anyone is thinking or indeed saying about the Dems, PTP, the ballot and all the skullduggery that is going on, the fact is simple, this country needs free and fair elections, where candidates from all parties can canvass without fear of violent recrimination and where there is one vote per person that has not been paid for in cash. If we had the principle of One Nation, One People, One Law then Thailand could easily move forward to a top tier position in ASEAN and the international community, until then it deserves it's place as a Banana republic. Rather than trying to achieve the implausible goal of having an absolute system (you know what I mean), Suthep would have my undying support if his goal were first to establish one law which all citizens were equally subjected to in which MP's and HISO did not enjoy any form of immunity or favouritism. One immunity for MP's is taken away we would see a significant reduction in corruption, it really is that simple. Do the crime, do the time.

[GrantSmith]

See the guy behind YL looking blank.

Haha~

He should be thinking inside his head whether he should buy a air ticket for himself first?

The guy is security as is the one directly in front with the shades and I'm confident each would welcome the occasion of wringing the yellow neck of a Suthep fascist follower or two.

Have you seen Suthep's SS security goons? The two with Yingluck are casual, subdued, calm, professional. Suthep's security goons are from the South - the deep South.

"See the guy behind YL looking blank."

If you paid more attention, you would know that the man behind Yingluck is caretaker Transport Minister Chadchart Sittipunt, one of the more amenable and capable of the PTP gang. His facial expression is quite normal. And I am sure neither man would lower them selves to throttling anyone whether Suthep or Thaksin oriented unless Yingluck's life was threatened..

Now now khun ratcatcher never let the truth get in the way of a good story... khun Publicus hasn't acknowledged this glaringly obvious oversight and doubt being called out on it - again - (3rd time if memory serves) will he acknowledge it...

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[WhizBang]

They are busy trying to stain each other as usual rather than trying to win the people's hearts and minds in proper ways like promising a a whole raft of Checks and balances, transparency in all things etc, if they get elected. Nothing here that will save Thailand, just same shit, different day.

And therein lies the entire problem. A new election, regardless of any conditions imposed, will just see the same corrupt individuals back in office. The entire lot (both sides) need to be banned and an entire new set of faces, without any links to the previous set of criminals, brought in.

Of course, anybody with even an ounce of integrity wouldn't go into politics.

[tilac2]

in·sur·rec·tion: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government.

Exactly: "usually violent". It does not have to be violent.

Similarly definition in the OED: "rising in arms or open resistence against established authority or governmental restraint". Thus again making the point that an insurrection does not have to be violent.

Trying to block an election, taking over areas of a city and surrounding official offices and homes of government ministers sounds like insurrectional activity to me.

It seems that of late - the only way the Democrat Party gets to become government is NOT through a regular election. The losers in this mess are the Thai People - regardless of color, creed, educational attainment. It is really a sad day for the Kingdom.

Are you saying the Democrat Party causes all Thaksin governments to act illegally so the Democrats will get back in power by default? Nice trick if true. Today is a great day in the Kingdom. The Silent Majority is finally saying, 'Enough corruption in our government'. You aren't FOR corruption, are you?

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

You say the Democrat party gets back into power by default?

I didn't say anything; I asked a question.

This is an openly declared insurrection that has tied up Bangkok and Thailand for several weeks and has the insurrectionist mobs determinedly working to kill the constitutionally scheduled election of February 2nd.

Here's a link to a good online dictionary since you don't seem to know the definition of words you use:http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ BTW I stay on ON Nut (Sukhumvit 77) and have not noticed anyone tying up anything. Protests against a corrupt beyond all reason government is not insurrection; it is a protest.

There's no Democrat party default position here, only active insurrection, although it recently can be argued that the new default position of the Democrat party is openly supporting insurrection and chaos.

Contrary to what the propagandists on this forum keep bleating, this is not a rally by or for the Democrat Party. The rally is by all the many different groups that share the common bond of believing Thaksin and his puppet governments are bringing the country down and they are tired of the puppet government's disregard for the good of the country, disrespect to the courts' decisions, disrespect for the rule of law, lack of common decency.

in·sur·rec·tion: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government

[KarenBravo]

Thais have always had a childish streak in them but lately the politicians have all made themselves look like little squabbling children by sinking down to the school playground level with their pathetic antics.

Miss, miss, Yingluck is cheating again!

Pretty much the same could be said of the posters on TV who support one side or the other. In fact, they are even more pathetic as their opinions count for sweet FA as they cannot vote and are not citizens.

[virtualtraveller]

Missing the point here, the incumbent has access to so many more resources to campaign, hardly fair is it? Why should taxpayer money be used for a private campaign, let the courts examine the evidence. Another honest mistake cuts PT down, honestly, if you are going to be the 'people's party' then at least do so properly and transparently.

[JRSoul]

in·sur·rec·tion: a usually violent attempt to take control of a government.

Exactly: "usually violent". It does not have to be violent.

Similarly definition in the OED: "rising in arms or open resistence against established authority or governmental restraint". Thus again making the point that an insurrection does not have to be violent.

Trying to block an election, taking over areas of a city and surrounding official offices and homes of government ministers sounds like insurrectional activity to me.

If I accept that an insurrection doesn't have to be violent, can you accept that a fugitive criminal, unelected and not even a member of the governing party, using his wealth, influence and nepotism to direct MPs votes, to gain access to cabinet meetings, and dictate government policy is also insurrection?

And which is worse? A large number of voters publicly proclaiming their disgust at an inept and corrupt government, or a criminal not entitled to a vote taking control by stealth?

Edited January 13, 2014 by JRSoul

[fab4]

Oh Dear. Why doesn't the democrat party just change its name to The Lawyers Society and have done with it...............