GrantSmith Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mont Clair is pretty bad wine. It's cheap because they only import the juice, then ferment it here. So no import duty for the alcohol part. I get horrible headaches drinking it. Pretty bad? That's being generous! There's probably a better use for it in an industrial waste processing site! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meatboy Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mont Clair is pretty bad wine. It's cheap because they only import the juice, then ferment it here. So no import duty for the alcohol part. I get horrible headaches drinking it. headaches are all right but after a half bottle and a few cans chang caused me to fall out of bed for the first time in 50 odd yrs knocked my front teeth through my top gum.didnt feel it till the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimMagee Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 "decent German wine" is a favorite of the "military intelligence" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recycler Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Drink Beer, they make it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mont Clair is pretty bad wine. It's cheap because they only import the juice, then ferment it here. So no import duty for the alcohol part. I get horrible headaches drinking it. cheap wines make a refreshing drink mixed with 50% soda and a shot of lime over crushed ice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeCobra Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I gave up on importing wine. 400% is correct. That is why you can only buy plonk for under 1000 Baht. It is not about protecting the local wine makers that produce very drinkable wines. They also have to pay ad valorem tax, making their wines expensive. Thailand has no interest in supporting their own wine industry. Of course, wine would be healthier than other local produce. But the lobby for local rotten rum, whiskey and "cider" is too strong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 "decent German wine" is a favorite of the "military intelligence" i love posts of guys like you who obviously know all about nothing.- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 I gave up on importing wine. 400% is correct. That is why you can only buy plonk for under 1000 Baht. It is not about protecting the local wine makers that produce very drinkable wines. They also have to pay ad valorem tax, making their wines expensive. Thailand has no interest in supporting their own wine industry. Of course, wine would be healthier than other local produce. But the lobby for local rotten rum, whiskey and "cider" is too strong. The lobby is that strong that they're trying to do all that you don't have a good wine here. Even my friend a lawyer couldn't tell me how much they'd take for a bottle in tax, Somtham money,cash for Mia Noi, and other utter nonsense.\ I'll only be successful, if my wife will do it in her name, as she's still got her maiden name. Then having some "powerful" people who know how to make impossible things easy. Time for my "1976 Scheurebe, Iphoefer Kronsberg, Auslese" now. Reading through this thread made me understand how much people actually know about wine. For those who don't know what a decent wine is, Google it.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 "decent German wine" is a favorite of the "military intelligence" Intelligence didn't seem to knock at your door.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 forget it,aldi and lidl's are coming to Thailand. That true? I've never heard of it before. They won't be able to reduce the import duties though. I had been watching that program"JUST KIDDING" we had a lidl store 100yds from us in the uk. my mrs.is a fully paid up member. In the UK, you need to pay and become a member before you can go to Lidl? Must be quite an exclusive shop. scnr That might be the reason that they connected them via tunnel to be able to shop without being a member- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeCobra Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 German wines are not sweet per se. Yes, some are, because they ought to be. They are unparalleled in their finesse and subtle sweetness and come in small bottles. Overcorrectness in labelling, with rules non-Germans could not grasp, have been tackled by new generations of wine makers. Modern German wine can be dry and very cool. Sometimes, it's just about branding.http://www.wine-pages.com/features/modern_german_wine.htm It has not been decided,yet, if German Riesling or French Chardonnay is the Queen of white grapes. They are on par. In Thailand,we have to scale down. Quality is not affordable. It will change. Wine drinking is the hippest thing amongst Bangkok yuppies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Boon Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 and olive oil from Australia ....any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reserva39 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Since september 2013 wines with wholesalevalue of 600 Baht or more are taxed with an additonal 36%. So good wines become much more expensive. someone mentioned icewine, well we sell it at about 1200 baht per bottle plus vat. If you want to import you would need Licence issued by Excise Dep Registered office (no home address) Registered company Temperature controled storing (only a few available) Forwarder who takes care of your incomming wines Its not easy but it can be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingstonkid Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I would suggest contacting the embassy and getting a contact for the German Thai chamber of commerce I am sure you are ot the first person to try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toscano Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 i wouldn't say Thailand is a big wine drinking country . My experience is that Thais mostly drink beer or spirits . Wine is consumed more by foreigners and in restaurants . I appreciate that you are proud of your regions excellent wine , but I would not think there is a great marketing prospect in Thailand . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punnawithi Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 forget it,aldi and lidl's are coming to Thailand. Any idea, if Costco is coming to Thailand? They have an excellent wine selection here in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthemoon Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Since september 2013 wines with wholesalevalue of 600 Baht or more are taxed with an additonal 36%. So good wines become much more expensive. someone mentioned icewine, well we sell it at about 1200 baht per bottle plus vat. If you want to import you would need Licence issued by Excise Dep Registered office (no home address) Registered company Temperature controled storing (only a few available) Forwarder who takes care of your incomming wines Its not easy but it can be done. You actually need a wholesale licence, a label licence, and an import licence. If you do retail, you also need a retail licence. These are from the Excise Department, and you can only apply for them if you have a properly registered company with VAT. You need an approved storage location, but it does not need to be temperature controlled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Just forget importing wine from Europe. I have been importing Italian wines through a friend, called Chalerm Yuvitscha. (Yes, owner of Red Bull) Luckely he took care of the import. He knew the ways. But expect to pay 300% import taxes on the purchase price plus shipping. Next to this, expect to pay bribes or all the bottles you receive are broken. It happened to me several times. Also you must obtain an import license and make deposit to an import tax fund for luxury goods. Costs you about 2.000.000,- THB. License must be renewed yearly, and is according to your anual turnover. And for contacting Tesco Lotus, Seven Eleven, Big C. Just forget it. They will not do business with a farang. They will do business with a Thai. A good friend of me is purchase manager at Big C and he has orders from above only doing business with Thai or do direct imports. Edited January 22, 2014 by FredNL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesseFrank Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Just forget importing wine from Europe. I have been importing Italian wines through a friend, called Chalerm Yuvitscha. (Yes, owner of Red Bull) Luckely he took care of the import. He knew the ways. But expect to pay 300% import taxes on the purchase price plus shipping. Next to this, expect to pay bribes or all the bottles you receive are broken. It happened to me several times. Strange you can't even spell your " friends " name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandbeachisland Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I guess the Thai wine importers will explain Tesco and others that only their wine is good and supermarkets will never buy yours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandbeachisland Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 i wouldn't say Thailand is a big wine drinking country . My experience is that Thais mostly drink beer or spirits . Wine is consumed more by foreigners and in restaurants . I appreciate that you are proud of your regions excellent wine , but I would not think there is a great marketing prospect in Thailand . I think you do not know so much... Do you think that most 7/11 in the country now sell cheap MONT CLAIR wine only to foreigners ? More and more Thai want to drink wine and only the cheap price of whiskey push them to drink it most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post onthemoon Posted January 22, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 22, 2014 Just forget importing wine from Europe. I have been importing Italian wines through a friend, called Chalerm Yuvitscha. (Yes, owner of Red Bull) Luckely he took care of the import. He knew the ways. But expect to pay 300% import taxes on the purchase price plus shipping. Next to this, expect to pay bribes or all the bottles you receive are broken. It happened to me several times. Also you must obtain an import license and make deposit to an import tax fund for luxury goods. Costs you about 2.000.000,- THB. License must be renewed yearly, and is according to your anual turnover. And for contacting Tesco Lotus, Seven Eleven, Big C. Just forget it. They will not do business with a farang. They will do business with a Thai. A good friend of me is purchase manager at Big C and he has orders from above only doing business with Thai or do direct imports. That's of course utter nonsense. Many of our customers are wine importers, and there is no such deposit of 2 million Baht. You have been had. Import duties and taxes are quite straight-forward, no need to pay bribes. And quite a number of our customers sell to the hypermarket chains in Thailand. Just check out the shelves for alcoholic beverages. I know some buyers in the alcohol departments and never heard what you claim. Choose your friends better, is my advice. I hope you did not lose too much money. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 An import license that costs 2 million baht? Now I know it's not April 1st but damn, that sure as shit makes me think it is... The fact you also name names (spelt incorrectly or otherwise) gives further credence that it is actually April 1st.. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirchai Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share Posted January 22, 2014 Just forget importing wine from Europe. I have been importing Italian wines through a friend, called Chalerm Yuvitscha. (Yes, owner of Red Bull) Luckely he took care of the import. He knew the ways. But expect to pay 300% import taxes on the purchase price plus shipping. Next to this, expect to pay bribes or all the bottles you receive are broken. It happened to me several times. Also you must obtain an import license and make deposit to an import tax fund for luxury goods. Costs you about 2.000.000,- THB. License must be renewed yearly, and is according to your anual turnover. And for contacting Tesco Lotus, Seven Eleven, Big C. Just forget it. They will not do business with a farang. They will do business with a Thai. A good friend of me is purchase manager at Big C and he has orders from above only doing business with Thai or do direct imports. Thanks a lot and my deepest appreciation. In this forum are not just expats, also quite a few experts. By the way, my wife still has her maiden name. Would never show that a farlang is doing business. Khop Khun La Lai........- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) i wouldn't say Thailand is a big wine drinking country . My experience is that Thais mostly drink beer or spirits . Wine is consumed more by foreigners and in restaurants . I appreciate that you are proud of your regions excellent wine , but I would not think there is a great marketing prospect in Thailand . For the sake of perspective, where in Thailand do you live?Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Edited January 22, 2014 by GrantSmith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthemoon Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 An import license that costs 2 million baht? Now I know it's not April 1st but dam_n, that sure as shit makes me think it is... The fact you also name names (spelt incorrectly or otherwise) gives further credence that it is actually April 1st.. The licences cost abot THB 3,000 each, plus handling fee for whoever arranges it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 The licences cost abot THB 3,000 each, plus handling fee for whoever arranges it for you. I'm well versed in the costs involved, thanks Rather simple process really, couldn't think of a reason why I'd pay 'a guy' to do that Shipping on the other hand, different kettle of fish... Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandbeachisland Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mont Clair is pretty bad wine. It's cheap because they only import the juice, then ferment it here. So no import duty for the alcohol part. I get horrible headaches drinking it. Most of my friends who are used to drink good wine in EU and California find it acceptable as a cheap wine for Thailand and can drink it without headaches as maybe thousands of people who buy it daily from 7/11... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thailandbeachisland Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 "decent German wine" is a favorite of the "military intelligence" i love posts of guys like you who obviously know all about nothing.- the only good wine ! COBRA WINE Sorry I couldn't put a photo by using DRAG and PASTE, is it possible or do we have to download a photo before we can add it to a post ? 5555+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrantSmith Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 "decent German wine" is a favorite of the "military intelligence" i love posts of guys like you who obviously know all about nothing.- the only good wine ! COBRA WINE Sorry I couldn't put a photo by using DRAG and PASTE, is it possible or do we have to download a photo before we can add it to a post ? 5555+ No way, you seen recent reports of those cheeky bar stewards still being alive and biting the consumer! Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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