Irish Citizenship - Jay Sata

[ulike]

Hi Jay Sata

I just wanted to tell you (and anyone else reading it or looking into it) and could not due to the thread closure that you are a little bit incorrect in your advise. My husband did look into obtaining Irish citizenship, not for the purpose of us caring for my niece (we are already doing an application the right way with UKBA) but because he likes to know all his entitlements.

He cannot gain Irish nationality based on his Grandmama (he can provide descent) the reason is his mother must also have been an Irish citizen. ?Because his Grandma came to England age 19 and fell in love with his Grandpapa, she never went back. She got a Uk passport in time (we don't know how) and his Mum (her daughter) never got Irish citizenship.

I hope the correction is ok for you.

Thanks

[Jay Sata]

I'm not sure where he got that information but it is incorrect.

Here is the Irish Government advice;

Citizenship through descent

If either of your parents was an Irish citizen at the time of your birth, you are an Irish citizen, irrespective of your place of birth (unless one of the special conditions relating to birth outside Ireland applies; these are described below). If the parent through whom you derive Irish citizenship was not alive at the time of your birth, but would have been an Irish citizen if alive at that time, you are also an Irish citizen. You derive citizenship through an Irish parent whether or not your parents were married to each other at the time of your birth.

If you were born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen who was himself or herself born in Ireland, then you are an Irish citizen.

If you were born outside Ireland to an Irish citizen who was himself or herself born outside Ireland, and any of your grandparents were born in Ireland, then you are entitled to become an Irish citizen, and can do so by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register maintained by the Irish Department of Foreign Affairs. You can do this by applying to your nearest Irish embassy or consular office. A list of these is available on the website of the Department of Foreign Affairs at www.dfa.ie. If you are entitled to register, your Irish citizenship is effective from the date of registration.

If you are of the third or subsequent generation born abroad to an Irish citizen (in other words, one of your parents is an Irish citizen but none of your parents or grandparents were born in Ireland), you may be entitled to become an Irish citizen by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register; this depends on whether your parent through whom you derive Irish citizenship had himself or herself become an Irish citizen by being registered in the Foreign Births Register before you were born.

If you are entitled to register, your Irish citizenship is effective from the date of registration. The Irish citizenship of successive generations may be maintained in this way by each generation ensuring registration in the Foreign Births Register before the birth of the next generation.

The following table may help to explain the situation:

If you are:

then you are:

A

born in the island of Ireland to an Irish Citizen or to a non-Irish national who satisfied certain conditions at the time of your birth

an Irish citizen or entitled to Irish citizenship.

B

a child of A, born outside the island of Ireland

an Irish citizen.

C

a child of B and a grandchild of A, born outside the island of Ireland

entitled to Irish citizenship, but you must first register in the Foreign Births Register.

D

a child of C and a great-grandchild of A, born outside the island of Ireland

entitled to Irish citizenship, by having your birth registered in the Foreign Births Register, but only if your parent C had registered by the time of your birth.

When seeking to register in the Foreign Births Register, you will need to produce relevant documentation (birth and marriage certificates and other relevant records for yourself and those through whom you trace your Irish ancestry) to confirm your citizenship.

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/WP11000024

All you need to know about Irish citizenship and immigration can be found at

http://www.inis.gov.ie/

Visit and Spouse Visas for Irish passport holders are free for those wishing to reside in the Republic of Eire.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Jay Sata

[ulike]

Thank you, but I think you are still wrong.

His grandmamma was an Irish citizen, his mother was never registered as an Irish citizen, she never had a passport.

Edited January 20, 2014 by ulike

[Jay Sata]

She did not have to register or obtain a passport as she was Irish by descent. If he had an Irish grandparent he qualifies.

Read the info above. I'd suggest a letter to INIS in Dublin to clarify the matter.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Jay Sata

[simon43]

Correct advice. My grandfather was an Irish citizen and passed this citizenship onto his son (my father) who then opted for UK citizenship when he joined the army for WW2. Buy although I am a British citizen, I am entitled to Irish citizenship (confirmed by the Irish embassy in KL), if I so wish, (can't think of any good reason though....

Simon

[ulike]

OK, so if he can get it (and a passport), can I? I am also a British citizen. Can I have a third nationality?

[Jay Sata]

There are as far as I know no rules precluding you from having a third citizenship.

To qualify you need to reside for three years with your Irish spouse in the Republic.

See http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Frequently%20asked%20Questions%20about%20Irish%20Citizenship%20and%20Naturalisation

As you both hold UK passports there are no visas or fees for entering, living and working in Ireland.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Jay Sata

[ulike]

I like the black beer but not that much :-)

[rgs2001uk]

Correct advice. My grandfather was an Irish citizen and passed this citizenship onto his son (my father) who then opted for UK citizenship when he joined the army for WW2. Buy although I am a British citizen, I am entitled to Irish citizenship (confirmed by the Irish embassy in KL), if I so wish, (can't think of any good reason though....

Simon

I am entitled to Irish citizenship (confirmed by the Irish embassy in KL), if I so wish, (can't think of any good reason though....

As a "plastic Paddy" I to am entitled to Irish citizenship.

At least one advantage I can think of, none of the UK BS to get your mrs back to the UK.

There is at least one poster who posts on here who took advantage of the Irish route and didnt have to go through the UK BS route.

The last I remember, Eire, has 4 million population, but 10 million passport holders.

Gotta love my paddy papa.

Edited January 20, 2014 by rgs2001uk

[ulike]

OK, could my husband get a passport and then also claim 2 state pensions? If so, that is worth the 1100 EUROS to get citizenship.

[Jay Sata]

As long as you can support your spouse/family there are no income barriers. There is also no need to pass English tests to bring your spouse to Eire.

The best bit is there are no visa fees.

More reading here

http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/images/stories/pdfs/Factsheet_3_-_Family_Members_of_Irish_Citizens.pdf

Useful Contacts

Immigrant Council of Ireland

Information and Referral Service

Monday mornings from 10am to 1pm,

Tuesday from 10am to 1pm

Thursdays 2pm to 5pm

Phone: +353 1 674 0200

General Immigration

INIS

Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service,

13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2

Lo Call: 1890 551 500 (Please refer to INIS

website for phoneline opening hours)

Website: www.inis.gov.ie

Spouse of an Irish National Unit

INIS

Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service,

13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2

Lo Call: 1890 551 500 (Please refer to INIS

website for phoneline opening hours)

Website: www.inis.gov.ie

[Morakot]

I am entitled to Irish citizenship (confirmed by the Irish embassy in KL), if I so wish, (can't think of any good reason though....

To obtain an Irish passport and with it possibly have a better journey in some conflict areas... plus some general things of having two different passports, like young people getting a Work Holiday Visas in Australia and when expired have another lined up in the other passport.

[rgs2001uk]

As long as you can support your spouse/family there are no income barriers. There is also no need to pass English tests to bring your spouse to Eire.

The best bit is there are no visa fees.

More reading here

http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/images/stories/pdfs/Factsheet_3_-_Family_Members_of_Irish_Citizens.pdf

Useful Contacts

Immigrant Council of Ireland

Information and Referral Service

Monday mornings from 10am to 1pm,

Tuesday from 10am to 1pm

Thursdays 2pm to 5pm

Phone: +353 1 674 0200

General Immigration

INIS

Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service,

13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2

Lo Call: 1890 551 500 (Please refer to INIS

website for phoneline opening hours)

Website: www.inis.gov.ie

Spouse of an Irish National Unit

INIS

Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service,

13/14 Burgh Quay, Dublin 2

Lo Call: 1890 551 500 (Please refer to INIS

website for phoneline opening hours)

Website: www.inis.gov.ie

Erin go Bragh

[Jay Sata]

OK, could my husband get a passport and then also claim 2 state pensions? If so, that is worth the 1100 EUROS to get citizenship.

You can't claim two state pensions!

He does not have to pay 1100 Euro's. The fee for Foreign Birth Registration is 250 Euro's. Once that is done he can apply for a passport.

There is no need for him to be resident in Ireland.

On a separate note I don't see any point in someone with a UK passport and an Irish spouse acquiring Irish citizenship.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Jay Sata

[ulike]

I think the fee is 150 to submit documents and then 950 for citizenship cert and then the 250 you note, so 1350. Personally, I don't see the point in my husband getting it (or me) other than to make me smile at having four passports (one Thai, two British and one Ireland). But, like you said, I would have to live there for 3 years, so I will not be doing that.

Like Morakot said, there is no advantage in holding both nationalities. Though I kind of like using an Irish accent and say 'I'll bomb your hoose, I don't make threat, I just carry our orders' It might help when I need to take a dress back to the shop in London?

And why cant you claim two state pensions. Irish American can (which I read when looking at this).

Also, as 7by7 said, him having Irish nationality will not help my case of my niece.

Edited January 20, 2014 by ulike

[Jay Sata]

If your husband does want to follow up and acquire his Irish passport it can be done online.

I forgot to mention on top of the 250 Euro fee there is also a certificate fee of 20 Euro's. Copies of his Irish parent/s and grandparents birth cert's are also required.

You'll find all the info and application detalis here;

http://www.embassyofireland.co.uk/home/index.aspx?id=88052

Regarding the question of your niece I'd suggest you contact your local Irish Embassy or consulate who are best qualified to advise you.

As I've said in previous posts Ireland has a very positive attitude to family matters.

[ulike]

he doesn't have an Irish parent, his mum is English. She's never even been to Ireland.

[Jay Sata]

From the information you gave me his mother is Irish by descent. The fact she has never set foot in Eire does not matter.

He has an Irish grandparent so he can claim citizenship.

Read the links I've posted.

Edited January 20, 2014 by Jay Sata

[ulike]

Done.

I and he both agree. I am corrected.

Thank you.